Rally Sweden 2012

[Francis44]

Stop spaming this thread with videos FFS.

[ridder]

What hapened with Ogier? Why is everyone annoyed with him?


It's just that in 3 consecutive end of stage interviews he had to point out that Mikkelsen runs 10 cars later. Sounded almost like Solberg when he gets to the excuses mood.

[Andre Oliveira]

Hope Armindo can fix the car and continue...

[Brother John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fib0A5dEcgU

@danon, i have removed most videos from here to http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/112617-video-thread-65.html

[Mauri A]

Should Latvala go off?

Could you pls stop your idiotic comments!

[danon]

@danon, i have removed most videos from here to http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/112617-video-thread-65.html

Аnd I deleted them totally to not interfere with someone.
I sincerely regret if my desire to share a vid update taken some minutes ago were regarded as spam.

[Gard]

It's just that in 3 consecutive end of stage interviews he had to point out that Mikkelsen runs 10 cars later. Sounded almost like Solberg when he gets to the excuses mood.

And talking down on Mikkelsen to VW people too.

[N.O.T]

Аnd I deleted them totally to not interfere with someone.
I sincerely regret if my desire to share a vid update taken some minutes ago were regarded as spam.

it is not spam they just do not offer anything special....

[N.O.T]

And talking down on Mikkelsen to VW people too.

whayt is he saying to them about mikkelsen ?

[nr7wave]

And talking down on Mikkelsen to VW people too.

Where do have that from? And what did Ogier say?

[A FONDO]

Аnd I deleted them totally to not interfere with someone.
I sincerely regret if my desire to share a vid update taken some minutes ago were regarded as spam.
posting every single 10-seconds clip circulating on internet is really a spam, dont try to look like a victim.

[Rallyper]

Brother John: Sluta upp med att vara polis hela tiden. Fattar du inte att det är detta forum som ligger uppe hela tiden hos oss som vill följa med och inte vara ordningsmän!!

[Brother John]

Аnd I deleted them totally to not interfere with someone.
I sincerely regret if my desire to share a vid update taken some minutes ago were regarded as spam.

I have no problem that someone put a video here in this thread "danon". ;)

@Rallyper, Jag är inte vara en ordningsmän!

[Tom206wrc]

40" between Novikov and Loeb...if Seb' doesn't make anymore mistake he can do it from now until tomorrow for 5th :)

[Rallyper]

I have no problem that someone put a video here in this thread "danon". ;)

@Rallyper, Jag är inte vara en ordningsmän!

You obviously have becuase you listened to Danon an removed them so now he maybe won´t upload any more.

[N.O.T]

40" between Novikov and Loeb...if Seb' doesn't make anymore mistake he can do it from now until tomorrow for 5th :)

easily...

[ridder]

well Loeb doesn't seem to really be pushing, yesterday after the off people were expecting him to climb to podium. Even as late as today there were people thinking he'll catch Novikov today, now it seems he can maybe barely catch Novikov by end of the rally.
Lost motivation?

[Viking]

well I think danons video links vere relevant in this thread! what is the problem??

[Rallyper]

40" between Novikov and Loeb...if Seb' doesn't make anymore mistake he can do it from now until tomorrow for 5th :)

Maybe M-sport put 1st class engine management stuff in Hennings and Novikov´s engines tomorrow?

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen losing time again on Latvala at the start of stage :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Interestingly, Petter fastest so far :confused:

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen gives up....

how unusual......

maybe he is saving the tyres..we will see.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen 3 seconds behind Ogier now...

[dimviii]

Latvala said that ss17 expected to be in bad condition for second pass.Lets wait to see if we ll have any surprises.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Maybe Hirvonen saves his tyres. Yesterday tyres was very bad in last stage.

[dimviii]

Mikkelsen 3 seconds behind Ogier now...

isn t 10,9 sec the diff?

[N.O.T]

indeed....but why ? on stage 15 the difference was 7.5 seconds and now it shows 11 ?????

[N.O.T]

Oh Mikkelsen Lost the stage.....thought he won it by 3 seconds....

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen lost almost 5 seconds on the last split...he was 1 second infront of Ogier before the end.....

[A.F.F.]

You already have forgotten the WRC Australia round last year, Jani?

That was a looooong time ago :p :

[A.F.F.]

Hirvonen gives up....

how unusual......

maybe he is saving the tyres..we will see.

Can you tell us how you came up with that conclusion? That Hirvonen, in the middle of the rally, decides to give up?

[Mirek]

Who cares about Nobre ?

Definitely much more people than about N.O.T...

[patwalsh13]

Aasen tweets from stage "Lost the brakes at 6 gear into a left junction and crashed into a stonewall. We are okey!"

https://p.twimg.com/AlYhz7HCEAACzhS.jpg

[Mauri A]

Can you tell us how you came up with that conclusion? That Hirvonen, in the middle of the rally, decides to give up?

Do you really wonder his conclusions? I gave up after his post about number 2000.

[A.F.F.]

Do you really wonder his conclusions? I gave up after his post about number 2000.

Sure, I'm always into a good laugh.

[Coach 2]

Can you tell us how you came up with that conclusion? That Hirvonen, in the middle of the rally, decides to give up?

If you do not have rally radio, you can maybe think stuff, but if you heard the response from Hirv, you know for sure that he has not given up.
He would actually go for it on ss 17.

[Viking]

Here is one for you.... M. WOWSOSLOW

[N.O.T]

Definitely much more people than about N.O.T...

why turn this personal ??

People bothering with nobodies are a waste of time...

[Martin Luijk]

Thiery Neuville sounds a lot like Loeb. I, ah, recognised, a, it, uh, the last interview.

[N.O.T]

Can you tell us how you came up with that conclusion? That Hirvonen, in the middle of the rally, decides to give up?

his time is a good indication....

[A.F.F.]

If you do not have rally radio, you can maybe think stuff, but if you heard the response from Hirv, you know for sure that he has not given up.
He would actually go for it on ss 17.

IMO you can tell without WRR. Loeb long gone, Latvala in his target, many miles to go, rally where anything can happen. Only a moron would think he'd given up.

[A.F.F.]

his time is a good indication....

Small mistake, tyreware, stall.... all these options are out there. But no, surely he decided to give up :D

But, enough of that. Mikko is indeed soon in that point where he has to think if he is going to push to the finishline or take the points.

[Tom206wrc]

This time Brynildsen and Prokop slower than Neuville ;)

[bluuford]

Sandell in problems?
Edit: Seems like brief stop.. moving with normal speed now

[dimviii]

Sandell on problems?

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell lost suddenly 38" over Tänak :confused:
Loeb's on attack :cool:

[Viking]

Not so sure Loeb will catch Novikov on speed alone tomorrow...

[A.F.F.]

SANDELL P. / PARMANDER S. (st. č. 52) "On this stage we forgot take away air intake protection and had to stop to remove it as engine overheated."

[Mirek]

Not so sure Loeb will catch Novikov on speed alone tomorrow...

Have same feeling. Now another setback for him with puncture.

By the way Sandell gave another chance to Prokop. Now both almost equal...

[Elkoorps]

Looks like Loeb lost 10 seconds on the last split........spin?

[Tom206wrc]

Petter fastest so far during the first two splits of SS17 ;)

[Elkoorps]

Petter fastest so far during the first two splits of SS17 ;)

Hirvonen just went quicker:P

[focus206]

Something happened to Loeb in the last split? He finished behind Henning...

[Mauri A]

Not so sure Loeb will catch Novikov on speed alone tomorrow...

Have tou lost your faith to N.O.T ?

[N.O.T]

Puncture for Loeb...

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen on a charge ;)

[Juha_Koo]

Östberg having problems, launch mode actived mid-stage and cutting the engine. Lost "a lot of time". Then trying too hard because he was so pissed but after "a very clear message from codriver" he calmed down. :D

[Rallyper]

SANDELL P. / PARMANDER S. (st. č. 52) "On this stage we forgot take away air intake protection and had to stop to remove it as engine overheated."

Sordo did the same last year (or maybe year before) on 2nd run on Fredriksberg.

[A.F.F.]

Hirvonen still pushing, 2.7 seconds faster than Latvala at the 3rd. split.

[focus206]

Good one for Mikko :)

[A FONDO]

Where's now the norge fanatic, who said solberg was saving tyres for the later stages?

[N.O.T]

Its going to be very hard for Hirvonen to catch Latvala on driving alone now...

Loeb has a slight chance to catch Novikov still...

[A.F.F.]

Apparently Latvala did and Hirvonen is without any studs :mark:

[Mauri A]

his time is a good indication....

Really?

[DonJippo]

Where's now the norge fanatic, who said solberg was saving tyres for the later stages?

There is still one stage to go today...

[swordsman]

Henning and Loeb on exactly the same time after SS17! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Latvala did and Hirvonen is without any studs :mark:



You mean no stud for Hirvonen neither tomorrow ??? :confused:

[Andre Oliveira]

Araújo recover one position to Breen. 15º now.

[A.F.F.]

You mean no stud for Hirvonen neither tomorrow ??? :confused:

No, at the end of last stage. Let's see how the final stage goes if it's all ice :mark:

[N.O.T]

You mean no stud for Hirvonen neither tomorrow ??? :confused:

no, just for today but hagfors is full of ice.

[ridder]

Times for leg 2 only:
eWRC-results.com - results Rally Sweden 2012 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/leg.php?e=3488&s=23527&leg=2&t=Rally-Sweden-2012)

[Mauri A]

Here is one for you.... M. WOWSOSLOW

Stop it, we have enough bashers already.

[A.F.F.]

But NOT is right.... Mikko should have catched Latvala today. Tomorrow he run out of milege if Latvala has a problem free day.

Personally, I think this is a win-win situation :D Either way, I'm very happy :hot:

[Andre Oliveira]

How much good is to Henning start tomorrow imediatly after Loeb?

[Mirek]

Times for leg 2 only:
eWRC-results.com - results Rally Sweden 2012 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/leg.php?e=3488&s=23527&leg=2&t=Rally-Sweden-2012)

Ogier and Mikkelsen equal today. Difference 0,2 seconds in favor of Mikkelsen. Nice :)

[Coach 2]

Where's now the norge fanatic, who said solberg was saving tyres for the later stages?

Refer only to what the drivers say. That they do not succeed in what they are trying to, show how difficult it is to save tires.

[N.O.T]

How much good is to Henning start tomorrow imediatly after Loeb?

running behind Loeb doesn't give you his skills...

[Luis Pacheco]

Araújo recover one position to Breen. 15º now.

Fantastic!

[Andre Oliveira]

Henning can follow the lines :)

[Mintexmemory]

Fantastic!
Eh?? Remind me how many extra horses the Mini has over the S2000 Fiesta!

[Viking]

Stange this 1,87 km ministage, big differenses..

[tolis]

Day 2 highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1wkJWNaitE

[Mirek]

Eh?? Remind me how many extra horses the Mini has over the S2000 Fiesta!

Currently with his engine problems probably not a single one :D

Anyway I think that it was sarcasm ;)

[dimviii]

nice photo of Sandell
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/425046_10150595375128815_168020983814_9105052_1396 771426_n.jpg

[Tom206wrc]

Stange this 1,87 km ministage, big differenses..



Lots of ice on stage apparently :mark:

[Viking]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wp-content/uploads/SS-14-18-Hagfors-Sprint.jpg

[Brother John]

The organization they usually spray there water for days on the asphalt.

[dimviii]

The organization they usually spray there water for days on the asphalt.

probably to create ice.

[tolis]

Al Attiyah and Ogier faster than Petter! :D

[eib1]

Second stage win for Tänak, congratulations!

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen lost 5"5 over Loeb/Östberg...not so dramatical ;)

[A FONDO]

Al Attiyah and Ogier faster than Petter! :D
Petter the Tyre Save-berg ?

[Viking]

Al Attiyah and Ogier faster than Petter! :D


Petter the Tyre Save-berg ?

But faster than Latvala, and Hirvonen is..............on page two. ;)

[N.O.T]

cruise day tommorow... Maybe Loeb pushes a bit more.

Lets see if Ogier was right about the starting position of the Ladycup champion...

[A FONDO]

But faster than Latvala, and Hirvonen is..............on page two. ;) http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/2A/49/fd3b087bcdb42a49.jpg

[awake27]

Loeb can't beat Novikov on speed alone tomorrow. If he drives like today (without the time losses of the spin and puncture) he will reduce the gap form 44s to 16s and most probably will settle for 6th even before that.

Latvala seems he won the rally on yesterday's stage 9 (and Hirvonen lost it).

Petter - “Thats the main thing now (to beat Ostberg). The car is going well, probably the most difficult rally to just jump in the car and do the rally.”

After Monte-Carlo now Sweden is the most difficult rally for Petter. Cmon for goodness sake. Stop it. They can't be all rallies a welsh rally.

[Andre Oliveira]

Good gesture from Armindo Aráujo. In WRC.com:

His team-mate Araujo, who started the day 14th, picked up a 70-second penalty for leaving service late at lunchtime following an exhaust manifold change. His problems were compounded by a loss of power, which caused him to push too hard and spin. He then deliberately went off the road a second time to avoid holding up Sandell behind him, losing just over a minute and a half in total.

[Martin Luijk]

As far as I know Ford had won the tire battle for a few years now. Probably it's not a Hirvonen problem. In the past Loeb has destroyed his tires while Hirvonen didn't.

[awake27]

Good gesture from Armindo Aráujo. In WRC.com:

His team-mate Araujo, who started the day 14th, picked up a 70-second penalty for leaving service late at lunchtime following an exhaust manifold change. His problems were compounded by a loss of power, which caused him to push too hard and spin. He then deliberately went off the road a second time to avoid holding up Sandell behind him, losing just over a minute and a half in total.
He went off the road like we mean it in rally (which happens mostly due to overpushing)? If yes then why he didn't just park it somewhere safe to let Sandell pass and not lose extra time to join the course?

[Viking]

Second loop

Latvala
Hirvonen +4.4
Solberg P +11.5
Loeb +14.0
Østberg +15.4
Novikov +36.3

[Viking]

http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/2A/49/fd3b087bcdb42a49.jpg

Sorry I thoght Tolis were refering to ss18...

[Mirek]

Good gesture from Armindo Aráujo. In WRC.com:

His team-mate Araujo, who started the day 14th, picked up a 70-second penalty for leaving service late at lunchtime following an exhaust manifold change. His problems were compounded by a loss of power, which caused him to push too hard and spin. He then deliberately went off the road a second time to avoid holding up Sandell behind him, losing just over a minute and a half in total.

Sounds too weird to be true...

[N.O.T]

Loeb can't beat Novikov on speed alone tomorrow. If he drives like today (without the time losses of the spin and puncture) he will reduce the gap form 44s to 16s and most probably will settle for 6th even before that.



how did you manage to calculate Loebs time without his mistakes and puncture ??

[bluuford]

how did you manage to calculate Loebs time without his mistakes and puncture ??

You know, he calculated their time difference for tomorrow.. it is as simple as estimating the speed of the cars from the testing videos ;-)

[Rallyper]

You know, he calculated their time difference for tomorrow.. it is as simple as estimating the speed of the cars from the testing videos ;-)

:p :

[Andre Oliveira]

He went off the road like we mean it in rally (which happens mostly due to overpushing)? If yes then why he didn't just park it somewhere safe to let Sandell pass and not lose extra time to join the course?

I think that the problem in engine cost him a lot of time. Without "objectives", he do not want block Sandell.

[bretddog]

Loeb will save tires for the power stage. That's 4 points for less risk than the 2 for catching Novikov.

[N.O.T]

Loeb will save tires for the power stage. That's 4 points for less risk than the 2 for catching Novikov.

everyone can do that...

[bretddog]

everyone can do that...
..which means what?

[tolis]

Photos from Day 2 and Colins Crest HERE (http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/fotogalerie.php?id=61&id=979&autor=62)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/a0d56e677a86ef266fd68c16b8d5826a.jpg

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/0ba16c9805e6d09ed544b069d566af6f.jpg

http://www.autosport.cz/img/fotografie/890db8ad32934f1a7622e82c2a2beddb.jpg

[N.O.T]

..which means what?

it will not be easy winning it...

[bretddog]

it will not be easy winning it...

Specially if you're not Loeb.
You're such a joke.. Even when you agree with my first statement you have to argue.

[awake27]

how did you manage to calculate Loebs time without his mistakes and puncture ??
Both spin and puncture happened after the last split and before the finish on both stages so we can see directly the time loss.

SS12: 14.7 loss (spin)
Loeb 5:34.8 7:50.2
Novikov -0.5 -15.2

SS17: 11.8 loss (puncture)
Loeb 8:22.8 10:40.8
Novikov +5.0 -6.8

Total loss: 26.5, subtract from 44.4 = 17.9 the difference should have been at the end of day 2.
(Day 1 diff) 56.8 - 17.9 = 38.9 on 117.76km (leg 2)
38.9 / 117.76 = 0.33 per km (cutted a few decimals to shorten the number)
(Leg 3 distance) 84.84 km * 0.33 = 27.9
44.4 - 27.9 = 16.5 the (estimated) difference at end of day 3

[mousti]

Elena already said after day 1, they would put everything on powerstage, Loeb doesn't like Sweden at al.

[Wim_Impreza]

That was a looooong time ago :p :

Thanks for your funny answers. I am happy that you are back. :)

[N.O.T]

Elena already said after day 1, they would put everything on powerstage, Loeb doesn't like Sweden at al.

i think he does like it since his times are very competitive, he just cannot avoid mistakes...

[rage82]

Any chance of live streaming for the power stage guys?

[tolis]

This is Paulo Nobre!!!! :D

Pigs History on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/36612543)

[rallye-sport]

Update Day 2 Photos Rallye de Suède 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-de-suede-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/photos-rallye-de-suede-2012/img_0514.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/photos-rallye-de-suede-2012/img_0378.jpg

[BleAivano]

just got home from a day at Vargåsen. First we were at Colin's crest which wasn't particular interesting.
Especially not when you have to get at 2 am. I was out voted thought by 1-3 so
that is why we went to Colins crest.

For the second loop we moved to Spectator area 1 at Vargåsen named Älgtjärn (my choice).
Found a very nice spot at the top of the ridge (to the right from where you enter the stage
from the acess road, which was well worth the climb. Will definitely go there again. :)

About the videos and pictures, i agree that its not a good idea to post embedded pictures and videos since
if you're out in a forest the mobile network connection can sometimes be a bit limited.
Then all these videos and pictures will give you a lot of headache when you try to load the thread.

Didn't we have separate threads last season? one for discussion about the rally and
then another for for posting pics and videos? Anyway that is how i would like it to be.

[dimviii]

This is Paulo Nobre!!!! :D

Pigs History on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/36612543)

lol

[Rallyper]

Paulo Nobre - the unpolished diamond of world rallying! Tourist yes - but a lovely part in the bouquet of WRC drivers...

[Wim_Impreza]

Interview Kees Burger in English, the Dutch driver that lives in Finland and is also doing this rally: Case Story Rally driver Kees Burger and RDF Rally Drive Finland' (http://www.rdfgroup.fi/case-story-rally-driver-kees-burger-and-rdf.3890338.cms)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/977/977_rally_sweden_2012_d6702b920d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/977/977_rally_sweden_2012_83f914a634.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/977/977_rally_sweden_2012_9d8b5d40b3.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/977/977_rally_sweden_2012_d0146b00cb.jpg

More photos from DAY 2 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=977&fseason=2012)

[dimviii]

some nice photos from Colins crest
Pictures fom the 2nd leg of the Rally Sweden | Best of Rally Live (http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/en/2012/02/11/pictures-fom-the-2nd-leg-of-the-rally-sweden/)

[tolis]

Now Motors TV highlights: Motors TV em directo no Tvdez.com - ESTADIOFUTEBOL.COM (http://www.tvdez.com/motorstv)

[uranium]

well I think danons video links vere relevant in this thread! what is the problem??

It looks that flood of stupid comments from some super-duper "specialists" is more relevant here and are not interpreted as spam.
Forum goes in "right" direction. Sad...

[Barreis]

Nice coverage.

[A FONDO]

slide that bitch on tha snow!
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/407412_10151270474195597_292402850596_22680832_233 565702_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402588_325647704137692_184390891596708_782679_1507 620774_n.jpg

http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/novikov-photo/24760/24777.jpg

and some sparkling studs :p
http://www.almrally.ru/imageModul/foto/24859/24869.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

anybody know the reasoning behind the relatively wider tires on the WRC cars vs the very skinny tires I am used to--and have used?

Yeah its a rule but what's the idea?
Anybody know the size?

[wrchirek]

It is about cost saving. Before the wider 15" snow tyres they used narrow 16"s, so they needed special 5.5x16" wheels. Now teams can put studded tyres to gravel wheels. Size is 15".

[Rallyper]

It is about cost saving. Before the wider 15" snow tyres they used narrow 16"s, so they needed special 5x16" wheels. Now teams can put studded tyres to gravel wheels. Size is 15".

But why can´t htey use narrow 15" tyres? It used to work back in the 70`s. Maybe they can make them fit the 15" rims as well?

[dimviii]

But why can´t htey use narrow 15" tyres?

because the gravel tyre rim is not so thin.

edit... old 16'' tyres were 145 width and required a 5,5'' rim
gravel tyres are 205 width and require a 7'' rim

[ridder]

This short SS when there's little snow in Sweden and they only drive on artificially made ice somehow fit S2000 a lot.

In 2010 6 out of 10 first cars were S2000, including 1st and 2nd place: eWRC-results.com - results Swedish Rally 2010 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=573&s=10318)

[bluuford]

this stage is always at the end of long forrest stages. S2000 are driven less agressively and therefore less pressure on the tires. So,by the ice-sheet SSS, most of the WRCars are running on very worn studs while the situation should be much better with S2000?

[Allar]

thats because S2000 crews have more tyre saveing driving style and that means that they had more studs left there.

[dimviii]

this stage is always at the end of long forrest stages. S2000 are driven less agressively and therefore less pressure on the tires. So,by the ice-sheet SSS, most of the WRCars are running on very worn studs while the situation should be much better with S2000?

probably but not because they driven less agressively, but from less torque than wrc cars.Wrc cars if you watch at a corner they are continuesly spinning their tyres even at high speed corners.

[tolis]

Fantastic video by SubaruNorway-Day 2!!!

Swedish Rally Day 2 2012 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/36620208)

[SubaruNorway]

Fantastic video by SubaruNorway-Day 2!!!

Swedish Rally Day 2 2012 on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/36620208)

You beat me to it! Thanks for all the nice comments on my previous video's!
I feel the pressure of finding some good places on sunday too now :p

[janvanvurpa]

because the gravel tyre rim is not so thin.

edit... old 16'' tyres were 145 width and required a 5,5'' rim
gravel tyres are 205 width and require a 7'' rim

I think there is some confusion in sizing...traditional road car sizing vs Michelins competition size nomenclature...
Way back in '93 I was at Swedish WRC and first thing I looked at was the tires....Michelin snows were called 14/65 x 15 or 14/65 x 16, and since I used michelin gravel tires on my Saab I was familiar with the numbers---I used 14/62 x 15.
The 14 is 14 cm across the tread, and 62cm diameter and 15 inch wheel.. Normal road tire numbers measure "section width" across the fat part of the tire, then the "80" or 65 is the sidewall height in percent....My 14/62 x 15 were equivalent to 185/65 x 15, and those snows back then were more or less same as my old Saab came with: 155 or 165/80 x 15...
That is what got me curious...
So the old skinny ones weren't really 145 in the 145 section width way....more like about 165 or even a bit fatter, but the FOOTPRINT was 14cm or so... The 15 inch or 16" it was explained by Finnish Tire maker Black Rocket it was when you wanted a little less sidewall for snappier response, and I guess we all know that 65cm is max diameter allowed for rally since maybe 1990.

Maybe somebody there can look at some tires and say what they are marked...

[janvanvurpa]

But why can´t htey use narrow 15" tyres? It used to work back in the 70`s. Maybe they can make them fit the 15" rims as well?

Club och DM guys still use 15 tum, that's why seems odd that the rule is to save money for teams by using same wheel, clubbies somehow manage to have skinny wheel for winter and wider for summer....

[leighton323]

i think he does like it since his times are very competitive, he just cannot avoid mistakes...

Oh is that right? And you would know what he likes? Never knew you were Sebastien Loeb

[Fri]

video-trafic jam after SS5:
: : RallySport.hu - Rally Sweden: Dugó az 5. gyorsaságin : : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/video/004-rshu_rally_sweden_dugo.html)

[Fri]

pics from saturday:
rallysport.hu - Rally Sweden 2012 - szombat (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/photo/wrc/02_sved/04_szombat/index.htm)

[Fri]

video from friday and saturday:
: : RallySport.hu - Rally Sweden 2012: : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/video/005-rshu_rally_sweden_1-2.html)

[Tom206wrc]

SS19 running ;)

[dimviii]

good morning guys!! Lets see a nice battle till last km.

[dimviii]

Maybe somebody there can look at some tires and say what they are marked...

is it ok?
http://www.ascania-racing.com/Pirelli_rally.pdf

[Rally Hokkaido]

First drivers are reporting quite slippy conditions on this stage - some snow cover + mostly narrow forestry trails

[6789]

Hope Latvala can pull off the win today!

[René]

Good morning all...

Loeb seems impatient to come back home ;)

[Mise]

If there's lots of snow Mikkelsen benefits a lot. (compared to Ogier, of course)

[Tom206wrc]

Mikkelsen very fster than Ogier on that SS19 :eek:

[Tom206wrc]

Was Hirvonen sparing tyres again :confused:

[bluuford]

Göranssons dot stopped just before Split 2, now al attyah passed it. Hopefully GPS problem like it was in stage 1 today
Edit: Yes it was, back in normal order now

[6789]

Was Hirvonen sparing tyres again :confused:
Said he couldn't find the rhythm and didn't want to risk anything

[Tom206wrc]

Problem for Göransson in SS20 or GPS ??? :confused:

Edit: it was GPS ;)

[bluuford]

Araujo has no problems.. GPS signal was lost. he reaches to Split 4 soon

[wwbroe]

I guess the rally is ran now, JML having half a minute should be enough. Loeb will not catch Novikov, only between Petter and Mads maybe some suspens and also between Ogier and Mikkelsen.

[Iskald]

Two interesting fights today. Mads 9,4 secs behind Petter and Mikkelsen 9,9 behind Ogier after ss19.

[Viking]

Strange how the cleaning of stages has changed, old starting order #1 said he were cleaning a lot and that it would be clean 4-5 cars behind.
Now it is still cleaning down to car nr 20...

[ssivov]

I guess the rally is ran now, JML having half a minute should be enough. Loeb will not catch Novikov, only between Petter and Mads maybe some suspens and also between Ogier and Mikkelsen.

Yet this is Sweden, the only place where sleep is not the final trestle. :)

[A.F.F.]

Good morning everyone :wave:

So, Team Citroen gave up.....

[DonJippo]

Strange how the cleaning of stages has changed, old starting order #1 said he were cleaning a lot and that it would be clean 4-5 cars behind.
Now it is still cleaning down to car nr 20...

Just tells how different lines these slower drivers that are driving first on the road use compared to fast ones.

[René]

Big explanation by the steering wheel between P. SOLBERG and M. ØSTBERG !

[tfp]

Good morning everyone :wave:

So, Team Citroen gave up.....

Pfffft ahahahaha!

[Viking]

Interesting what PG said about the VW orders...

[dimviii]

Interesting what PG said about the VW orders...

what?

[A.F.F.]

Interesting what PG said about the VW orders...

What did he say ?

[Viking]

PG said that he did not put to much into him beating Mikkelsen time beacause he belived Mikkelsen were under orders to finish behind Ogier.
He (Mikkelsen) can be much faster he said.

[tfp]

Yes, what did he say?

Are there any links to the powerstage?

[A.F.F.]

Apparently Hirvonen changed the set up for today but it turned out to be worse, especially in slow corners. So, he officially gave up and consentrate on keeping Petter behind him. Congrats Jari-Matti, all you have to do now is to nurse the car home :)

[ridder]

PG said that he did not put to much into him beating Mikkelsen time beacause he belived Mikkelsen were under orders to finish behind Ogier.
He (Mikkelsen) can be much faster he said.

Well on SS19 at last split Mikkelsen was 8 secs ahead of Ogier and at same time with P.G. Then at the finish he was only 3 ahead of Ogier and 7 behind P.G. yet he didn't say anything about it in the interview.

Then on SS20 he was 8 secs behind Ogier and telling in interview how everything was much better?

New great conspiracy theory !!!

[dimviii]

PG said that he did not put to much into him beating Mikkelsen time beacause he belived Mikkelsen were under orders to finish behind Ogier.
He (Mikkelsen) can be much faster he said.

suddenly Andersson is faster than Mikkelsen and Ogierat ss19 and at ss 20 very near to Ogier and faster to Mikkelsen.Team orders obviously as andersson doesn t hunting somebody

[ridder]

With Mads halving the distance to Solberg there's at least something to watch on the second leg.
Hopefully there won't be any team orders, don't quite see the reason for them actually. Manufacturers point will stay the same even if they switch no?
As for drivers points Solberg realistically doesn't have a chance to win the title based on speed.

[A FONDO]

Big explanation by the steering wheel between P. SOLBERG and M. ØSTBERG !
can you please retell it?


PG said that he did not put to much into him beating Mikkelsen time beacause he belived Mikkelsen were under orders to finish behind Ogier.
He (Mikkelsen) can be much faster he said.
maybe they just told him not to do stupid mistakes (which he often does) because he is however not competing for anything while VW wants to vaunt with good result of its both cars?

[BleAivano]

live broadcasts from Rally Sweden:
Live at 12.25 CET; Svenska rallyt 12/2 12:25 - Motor | SVT Play (http://svtplay.se/v/2703371/motor__svenska_rallyt)
Live at 16.00 CET: Svenska rallyt 12/2 16:00 - Motor | SVT Play (http://svtplay.se/v/2703407/motor/svenska_rallyt_12_2_16_00)

[tfp]

With Mads halving the distance to Solberg there's at least something to watch on the second leg.
Hopefully there won't be any team orders, don't quite see the reason for them actually. Manufacturers point will stay the same even if they switch no?
As for drivers points Solberg realistically doesn't have a chance to win the title based on speed.

Thats not what I would have said after monte!! Every rally driver is only as good as his last rally after all!

Does anyone have any links to the powerstage?

[dimviii]

nice photo from autosport.cz
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421169_10150608440472899_575442898_9233500_8425425 27_n.jpg

[A FONDO]

video from friday and saturday:
: : RallySport.hu - Rally Sweden 2012: : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/video/005-rshu_rally_sweden_1-2.html)
very attractive shots, pity that audio and video quality is terrible :(


nice photo from autosport.cz
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/421169_10150608440472899_575442898_9233500_8425425 27_n.jpgyes, if you are a desperate briton :p there are dosens of similar and better pics from that place

[Mise]

can you please retell it?


maybe they just told him not to do stupid mistakes (which he often does) because he is however not competing for anything while VW wants to vaunt with good result of its both cars?

Why would VW need a good result? I'd say they need both cars to finish so they have enuff data from the cars
and checked notes to the drivers. And by checked notes I mean notes which are beeing driven in a racing speed.

[Tumbo]

yes, if you are a desperate briton :p there are dosens of similar and better pics from that place

mmm yes - because last I checked the irish were NOT britons ;)

[Viking]

With Mads halving the distance to Solberg there's at least something to watch on the second leg.
Hopefully there won't be any team orders, don't quite see the reason for them actually. Manufacturers point will stay the same even if they switch no?
As for drivers points Solberg realistically doesn't have a chance to win the title based on speed.

Ideally Ford would want Petter to save tyres before the powerstage, but if Mads keep pushing he cant do that.
Let us see if MW will test if Mads is an teamplayer or not..

You don't win championship based on speed, you win it by points ;)

[DonJippo]

You don't win championship based on speed, you win it by points ;)

But you need speed to be on the points.

[Mintexmemory]

Ideally Ford would want Petter to save tyres before the powerstage, but if Mads keep pushing he cant do that.
Let us see if MW will test if Mads is an teamplayer or not..

You don't win championship based on speed, you win it by points ;)

AFAIK Mads is a customer not a 'Team' member (unless the price he pays has a discount for staying behind M-sport / Ford) . What collateral does Mad Malc have - threaten not to give Mads the latest improvements for the rest of the season?

[GINE]

2012 ss times are faster than 2011. is it due to snow conditions? Did anything changed in the cars-tires specs?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Anyone got any live links for the Power-Stage later ??

[tfp]

Anyone got any live links for the Power-Stage later ??

Yes, please does anyone have any links to the powerstage?

[BleAivano]

Anyone got any live links for the Power-Stage later ??


Yes, please does anyone have any links to the powerstage?

it doesn't seems like SVT will show it live. They will have a short 15 min broadcast in a few minutes.
But no broadcast when the stage is run.

[gregwrc]

Ott Tänak Fanpage

Rally Sweden has been a roller coaster for Ott. Getting stuck in snow twice. Getting two stage wins and now to top it all off he has stopped with an engine problem. A weekend to remember and forget at the same time

[Coach 2]

Rally on SVT no.

[Brother John]

This is what i see on TV and on Internet.

http://svtplay.se/v/2703371/motor/sv...p104183,1,f,-1 (http://svtplay.se/v/2703371/motor/svenska_rallyt_12_2_12_25?cb,a1364159,1,f,-1/pb,a1364158,1,f,-1/pl,v,,2707032/sb,p104183,1,f,-1)

[vkangas]

SVT stream not working for me (Finland). Is it working for others?

[tiho86]

I think only work in Sweden

[Srdjan]

It is not working out of Sweden that's on tv site.

[vkangas]

I think only work in Sweden
Ok, I read in this thread earlier that the stream worked in Portugal...

[D1sCo]

SVT stream not working for me (Finland). Is it working for others?

Not working in Denmark :\

[Josti]

Ok, I read in this thread earlier that the stream worked in Portugal...

It did work for the Karlstad stage.

[ridder]

can you please retell it?


maybe they just told him not to do stupid mistakes (which he often does) because he is however not competing for anything while VW wants to vaunt with good result of its both cars?

When it comes to stupid mistakes without any pressure then Ogiers record from last rallies - Monte, GB, Australia is certainly much worse than Mikkelsens.

Probably just told both of them to take it easy.

[BleAivano]

Not working in Denmark :\


It is not working out of Sweden that's on tv site.

you are not missing anything, just a summary of the rally so far.

[tfp]

Gutted theres no live stream for the powerstage, doesnt that defeat the object of having a powerstage?

[A FONDO]

fsg

[White Sauron]

Gutted theres no live stream for the powerstage, doesnt that defeat the object of having a powerstage?

Yeah, in case of no live covergae I'd rather see additional points given for the longest or most difficult stage than for a short test...

[Brother John]

What they showed on Swedish TV was nothing, You have not missed anything, live 15 min discussion and 5 min images of yesterday.

[Coach 2]

Mistake by Petter.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Bloody hell....close battle Petter vs Mads!

[EightGear]

Petter puncture, Ostberg now in third.

[focus206]

Petter lost the 3rd position :(

[ridder]

too bad, would be better if the fight lasted until the end

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Latvala is loosing time allso?!

[A FONDO]

let's see if Mads has balls or will give his ass like last year !

[Bartek]

No third split for Mikkelsen... Latvala puncture!

[N.O.T]

No 3rd split for mikkelsen...

[EightGear]

Woooooooooh just 8 seconds now!!

[N.O.T]

Woooooooooh just 8 seconds now!!

still a lot...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Game is on!!!!

[Miika]

Game on, and with the risk of collecting even more punctures later on. Holy fudge.

[Iskald]

let's see if Mads has balls or will give his ass like last year !

Are you the new N.O.T???

[A FONDO]

Woooooooooh just 8 seconds now!!
If Coward-vonen didnt already give up when he woke up this morning, he would have been in the lead now !!!


Are you the new N.O.T??? why not? :p

[Elkoorps]

While 8 seconds sounds like a lot, we still have 27km of the rally to go, so it is very much possible to win if Hirvonen really wants to try and win it.

[BleAivano]

PG says that Mikkelsen stopped on stage and is changing tires.
It seems Mikkelsen and Latvala hit the same rock.

[vkangas]

Mikko should really push now. Jari-Matti has one tire less so 8 seconds is doable. Just hoping this is not decided by more punctures.

[ridder]

heh, is everyone (Solberg, Latvala, Mikkelsen) hitting the same rock?

[N.O.T]

20 seconds lost for Mikkelsen...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Douple win is important. I don´t care what is order! Come on Flying Finns!!!

[EightGear]

still a lot...

With a 27 km. stage coming up... Hirvonen maybe wakes up now... Everything still possible I'd say.

[N.O.T]

Douple win is important. I don´t care what is order! Come on Flying Finns!!!

double win ?? how is this possible ??

[N.O.T]

With a 27 km. stage coming up... Hirvonen maybe wakes up now... Everything still possible I'd say.

by driving alone it cannot be done... Only if Latvala doesn't want to risk anything and Mikko flies... which i doubt.

[Coach 2]

Loeb said that conditions at the power stage was terrible.

[Tom206wrc]

WOW many things happened on that SS22 !!! What will reserve us the longer SS23 now ??? :s

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

double win ?? how is this possible ??

Sorry. I mean douple for our drivers! Douple for FINLAND.

[A FONDO]

As I and Barreis predicted, Latvala made a mistake as usual. So pity the guy behind him is scared of his own shadow and missed this great chance.

[vkangas]

Loeb said that conditions at the power stage was terrible.
Yes, he said propability of a pucture is 90% if you push :D

[Coach 2]

by driving alone it cannot be done... Only if Latvala doesn't want to risk anything and Mikko flies... which i doubt.

Impossible? What did J-M L do in the first stage today.

You may not think Hirv can do it, but impossible!!!

[focus206]

Exciting last stages!

[vkangas]

As I and Barreis predicted, Latvala made a mistake as usual. So pity the guy behind him is scared of his own shadow and missed this great chance.
The puncture came in a really unexpected place and most propably also many other drivers hit the same rock so this is definately not a typical Latvala's mistake. These just happen.

[Iskald]

If Coward-vonen didnt already give up when he woke up, he would have been in the lead now !!!

why not? :p

One is more than enough!

And I must say, you are really trying to set a new standard in totally disrespectful caracteristics of a world class rally driver. Hirvonen a Coward???

[Goren]

Have the times stopped coming in for SS22 ???

[Marre]

is N.O.T and SlowSon the same person?

[ridder]

As I and Barreis predicted, Latvala made a mistake as usual. So pity the guy behind him is scared of his own shadow and missed this great chance.

How can you be sure it was his mistake?
2 other drivers seems to have hit the same rock.
Remember Petter crashing out of japan in 2005? The rock in the line then was impossible to evade as confirmed by onboard.

[GINE]

It is not Latvalas fault. Just bud luck

[mm1]

is N.O.T and SlowSon the same person?
It looks like SlowSon is on another league.

[tfp]

Come on Latvala!!!

[Viking]

After Mikkelsen had changed tyre he took back 16sec on PG and 12sec on Ogier in one split!!

[kiprazas]

why no time after andersson at ss22 ?????

[A FONDO]

The puncture came in a really unexpected place and most propably also many other drivers hit the same rock so this is definately not a typical Latvala's mistake. These just happen.
this rock was hit only by latvala, solberg and mikkelsen, people who very often make stupid mistakes. why did nobody else hit it ?

[darkstar]

wow, now its getting exiting! if hirvonen pushes like crazy, he might catch latvala in the powerstage. and will petter try to fight back, even if he has no chance?

also mikkelsen could catch up to andersson again.

[ridder]

this rock was hit only by latvala, solberg and mikkelsen, people who very often make stupid mistakes. why did nobody else hit it ?

Continuing with the 2005 Japan example the rock back then was kicked from the side of the road into the line by the preceding car.

Here the running order was Solberg-Hirvonen-Latvala-Mikkelsen, only 1 out of these 4 didn't hit it. The rock could have been dug out by Østberg, moved by Solberg (puncture), the moved again by Hirvonen without puncture....

Yes it's speculation, but saying that 3 drivers at once made stupid mistake... that's more like dreaming.

[tfp]

I think Hirvonen is on a charge...

[vkangas]

this rock was hit only by latvala, solberg and mikkelsen, people who very often make stupid mistakes. why did nobody else hit it ?
Because THIS IS RALLY.