WRC Germany 2011

[rogerally]

Just after Finland it's time for WRC Germany. Not much info on this forum concerning this event. Is nobody going?? Does anyone has some good spots for viewing the rally? In 2010 there were some google earth files of the stages, but unfortunately haven't found them for 2011. I did find the stages in pdf over here: 2shared - download Rallye-D_2011-Karten.rar (http://www.2shared.com/file/qUmAoptZ/Rallye-D_2011-Karten.html)

[HaCo]

Thanks for the link. Normally on planetmarcus :)

I will go and watch this year, it has been long since I was there, looking forward to it!

[MJW]

Me too - flying to Luxembourg then short drive to Trier. Was wondering if anyone can tell me on this excellent videochttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xpm_TeZW5gA at 2.07 (Brynildsen jump) and the Suzuki taking a cut across the grass at 5,12 is?

[MartijnS]

I think the Suzuki was at the 3rd/6th stage of Friday last year.
Ill look it up tomorrow.

[vino_93]

where will be the entry list published ?

[pantealex]

where will be the entry list published ?

and when?

[Salist]

Closing date for entries: 19 July 2011

[Ondra WRC]

Entry list: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/pdf/wrc_ger_2011.pdf

[hari]

Entry list: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/pdf/wrc_ger_2011.pdf

20 WRCs, 18 S2000 -> very nice!

[Mirek]

Yesss!

Nice surprise also to see Patrik Winter, Hari :)

[tolis]

Around 87 entries is excellent!

[MikeD]

Entry list: http://www.rallye-magazin.de/pdf/wrc_ger_2011.pdf


Why do they keep putting the MINI WRC Team as priority 1, when they don't score Manu points. Shouldn't they be priority 2?

[CWJ]

How comes VW drivers are P2 placed?

[MartijnS]

I think the Suzuki was at the 3rd/6th stage of Friday last year.
Ill look it up tomorrow.

Cant find the spot. Its for sure on that stage, probably at the first 5 km.

[J.Lindstroem]

And Patrik Flodin in the Mini. Nice!

[MJW]

Thanks, any idea wher that jump with Brynildsen was, in the vineyard stages.

[RS]

20 WRCs, 18 S2000 -> very nice!

Just looks like a normal WRC entry list to me... anyone know who the Equipe de France Mini WRC is going to be driven by though, Bengue?

[rp]

Just looks like a normal WRC entry list to me... anyone know who the Equipe de France Mini WRC is going to be driven by though, Bengue?

Earlier it was said that Bengue, but maybe now some other driver...

[pantealex]

How comes VW drivers are P2 placed?

Factory entry, same in Rally Finland.
In Finland they will start before SWRC

[pantealex]

Why do they keep putting the MINI WRC Team as priority 1, when they don't score Manu points. Shouldn't they be priority 2?
Araujo and Henning are also P1 and they don´t score Manu points either.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Adac Rallye Deutschland Google Earth Map is now out Programme du Rallye Wrc d'Allemagne 2011 (http://bit.ly/fPqDRh)

[rogerally]

Thank you jbmarcus

[HaCo]

#WRC Adac Rallye Deutschland Google Earth Map is now out Programme du Rallye Wrc d'Allemagne 2011 (http://bit.ly/fPqDRh)

Awesome, thanks mate!

[Barreis]

Entry list..
http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/download/downloadsavefile.php?PHPSESSID=1f02d4a9e45aa5415be 9f0cde360e062&pfad=/home/rallyede/public_html/v2/images//teilnehmer/teilnehmerliste/&datei=rallye_deutschland-110721-0164.pdf

[millbrook]

Also searching, as MJW, for the vinyard-jump - 0.20 in the following excellent clip :
WRC - ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2010 by JM on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/14339819)
And the spot where Raikkonen passes at 0.10.

Could the vinyard-jump be on stage 3 , the junction @ 49°53' - 16°32' on jbmarcus21's Google Earth Map?

[ZoomanSP206]

Also searching, as MJW, for the vinyard-jump - 0.20 in the following excellent clip :
WRC - ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2010 by JM on Vimeo (http://vimeo.com/14339819)

I haven't been there, but from what I found elsewhere, it should be on SS15/17 Dhrontal, 15.8 km from the start. See here:
Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/16/49.85974653855647/6.918983459472656)
The geography fits, and the posted video, too.

In the video above, does anybody know the place at 2:13?

[millbrook]

I haven't been there, but from what I found elsewhere, it should be on SS15/17 Dhrontal, 15.8 km from the start. See here:
Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/16/49.85974653855647/6.918983459472656)
The geography fits, and the posted video, too.



THX !

[MJW]

Thanks guys, excellent.

[Andre Oliveira]

55 EQUIPE DE FRANCE F.F.S.A. *) FRA TBA TBA FRA FRA MINI John Cooper Works WRC

Hummmm

[focus206]

55 EQUIPE DE FRANCE F.F.S.A. *) FRA TBA TBA FRA FRA MINI John Cooper Works WRC

Hummmm

Shouldn't it be Alex Bengué?

[N.O.T]

yes

[mousti]

In red colors and not in green? Or did I misunderstood that part?? Although being a Belgian I never wanted to learn french very well :D

[Allar]

Entry list..
http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/download/downloadsavefile.php?PHPSESSID=1f02d4a9e45aa5415be 9f0cde360e062&pfad=/home/rallyede/public_html/v2/images//teilnehmer/teilnehmerliste/&datei=rallye_deutschland-110721-0164.pdf

Dont work for me, is there a new one?

[Barreis]

Thisone works.
http://www.rallye-deutschland.de/download/downloadsavefile.php?PHPSESSID=5e55b3de4eff1219dd9 fb66959fcaf9e&pfad=/home/rallyede/public_html/v2/images//teilnehmer/teilnehmerlisten/&datei=rallye_deutschland-110721-0164.pdf

[N.O.T]

Will this be the first 1-2-3 for citroen ???

[tfp]

Will this be the first 1-2-3 for citroen ???

Not if Latvala has anything to do with it :D

[MJW]

Will this be the first 1-2-3 for citroen ??? you mean Kimi?

[Allar]

you mean Kimi?
Solberg i think! i hope Sordo will show some speed there. Mini on podium would be awesome, but i dont think they can make it. Tehnical failure will hunt them down :D

[MJW]

Solberg i think! i hope Sordo will show some speed there. Mini on podium would be awesome, but i dont think they can make it. Tehnical failure will hunt them down :D
I was only trying to tempt N.O.T into another icecube bashing session with that.....Petter could get a podium in a DS3, but I don't think the Fiesta;s will be so far off the pace compared to Focus vs C4 on tarmac.

[N.O.T]

you mean Kimi?

I think kimi could be up to forth with a lot of effort though (like in bulgaria), if he had some experience of the event...but his shakedown accident last year diminishes his chances this year... i would like to see him 4th to be honest. And i would not be surprised by a solid run by him (6th to 8th without benefitng from retirements)...i mean after years of running in circles on tarmac he must have learned something.

[N.O.T]

but I don't think the Fiesta;s will be so far off the pace compared to Focus vs C4 on tarmac.

I hope they are not...ok Loeb is out of the question, especially in germany he cannot be beaten by driving.

Ogier though is a realistic target i think for the ford kids if the car is close to the ds3.

[focus206]

I think kimi could be up to forth with a lot of effort though (like in bulgaria), if he had some experience of the event...but his shakedown accident last year diminishes his chances this year... i would like to see him 4th to be honest. And i would not be surprised by a solid run by him (6th to 8th without benefitng from retirements)...i mean after years of running in circles on tarmac he must have learned something.
Whoa, are you really N.O.T? I thought that bashing down Kimi was one of your favourite hobbies :D Why so optimistic now?

[JTLarsen]

These 2 images were taken last year. Could any of you please help pinpoint the locations of these?

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9108/location1.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9127/location2.jpg

[Hartusvuori]

I think kimi could be up to forth with a lot of effort though (like in bulgaria), if he had some experience of the event...but his shakedown accident last year diminishes his chances this year...

He crashed in Catalunya shakedown.

[banksy87]

The FFSA seat will be Pierre Campana......

Hes on the entry list for the Richard Burns Memorial Rally as a test im guessing!

Ill be doing the rally as a co-driver only not in a mini wrc unfortunatley!

[banksy87]

The FFSA seat will be Pierre Campana......

Hes on the entry list for the Richard Burns Memorial Rally as a test im guessing!

Ill be doing the rally as a co-driver only not in a mini wrc unfortunatley!

[N.O.T]

He crashed in Catalunya shakedown.

indeed...

[hari]

These 2 images were taken last year. Could any of you please help pinpoint the locations of these?

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/9108/location1.jpg
Its on Sundays Stage Moselwein above the village Klüsserath, about 9,5 km in this years stage.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9127/location2.jpg
Its on Saturdays Stage Hermeskeil about 3,5 km into the stage.

[mousti]

And also here Bengue will do his job as ouvreur for Ogier and not driving with the Mini and so again Campana gets the seat!

World Rally Championship - News - Campana gets WRC breakthrough (http://www.wrc.com/news/campana-gets-wrc-breakthrough/?fid=15127)

[focus206]

I really love this rally :) absolutely beautiful places... the only not-very-good thing is the fight for the win, since we already know who is going to be the 1st... again.

[JTLarsen]

Its on Sundays Stage Moselwein above the village Klüsserath, about 9,5 km in this years stage.
Its on Saturdays Stage Hermeskeil about 3,5 km into the stage.

Thank you so much Hari!

[fastboy]

Has anyone got a copy of the stage maps that are in the rally guide 2 document ? Please could you email me a copy if you have.Thanks

Rally Deutschland 2011 Petter Solberg DSR 3 Test ;) ;)Greek Rally Photo News: Rally Deutschland 2011 Petter Solberg DSR 3 Test (http://greekrallyphotonews.blogspot.com/2011/08/rally-deutschland-2011-petter-solberg.html)

[MartijnS]

This are some really good maps of the stages.

2shared - download Rallye-D_2011-Karten.rar (http://www.2shared.com/file/qUmAoptZ/Rallye-D_2011-Karten.html)

[306 Cosworth]

I really love this rally :) absolutely beautiful places... the only not-very-good thing is the fight for the win, since we already know who is going to be the 1st... again.

And how do you know who will be 1st? Anything can happen in Rallying, Loeb's wheel nuts could sheer off the car on the first corner of the first stage for anyone knows!

[focus206]

And how do you know who will be 1st? Anything can happen in Rallying, Loeb's wheel nuts could sheer off the car on the first corner of the first stage for anyone knows!

Of course...

WRC ADAC Rally Deutschland 2005 PHOTO AND VIDEO ;) ;)Greek Rally Photo News: WRC (http://greekrallyphotonews.blogspot.com/2011/08/wrc-adac-rally-deutschland-2005.html)

[OldF]

And how do you know who will be 1st? Anything can happen in Rallying, Loeb's wheel nuts could sheer off the car on the first corner of the first stage for anyone knows!

Or as Marcus once said: ”Maybe he (Loeb) will drive off the starting ramp”.

[tfp]

Or as Marcus once said: ”Maybe he (Loeb) will drive off the starting ramp”.

LOL....!

WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 Citroen DS3 Test ;) ;) ;) Greek Rally Photo News: WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 Citroen DS3 Test (http://greekrallyphotonews.blogspot.com/2011/08/wrc-adac-rallye-deutschland-2011.html)

[Hartusvuori]

Brynildsen to miss Rally Germany due to crash in Finland

World Rally Championship - News - No Germany start for Brynildsen (http://www.wrc.com/news/swrc/no-germany-start-for-brynildsen/?fid=15151)

[Co-driven]

Brynildsen to miss Rally Germany due to crash in Finland

World Rally Championship - News - No Germany start for Brynildsen (http://www.wrc.com/news/swrc/no-germany-start-for-brynildsen/?fid=15151)


When a driver contesting the PWRC or SWRC that chose an event and won't start that given rally, isn't he punished by FIA?

[Mirek]

Depends on how good excuse You have. FIA can agree that Your reasons are serious and let You change nomination (like last year when Semerád had to change nominated events due to his heavy crash in CZ championship).

[rp]

Depends on how good excuse You have. FIA can agree that Your reasons are serious and let You change nomination (like last year when Semerád had to change nominated events due to his heavy crash in CZ championship).

His entrant is P.S. Engineering, but is is possible to change the driver anymore? On the entry list there is many other Super 2000 cars to replace Brynildsen...

[Mirek]

I know last year Prokop did Japan instead of Nasser for entrant Barwa but I don't know how long before the rally it is possible to do such change. Than in scrutineering one member of crew can be changed, but not both...

[Barreis]

Only codriver can be changed on scrutineering.

[Salist]

Someone has downloaded the Rally Guide 2?

[hype]

Hello :)

Can someone help me to locate these places:

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_161_raikkonen_30.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_161_solbergp_2.jpg
I think it's on Ruwertal/Fell?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_3_latvala_12.jpg

[MartijnS]

I think the first one is at Moselwein. Dont know where.

[hari]

The first photo is at "Moselwein" about 11,2 km in this years stage.
The third was on Ruwertal, not driven this year.

[hype]

Alright, thank you :)

[hype]

Now I got one more question :)

Does someone know where the place in the forest right at the start of the video is?

ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2010 [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBSs3Src11Y)

[Barreis]

Shame that Duval is not on the list.

[Allyc85]

Shame that Duval is not on the list.

Yea we could do with seeing him crash another car ;)

[Barreis]

But also a good drive.

[Allyc85]

Until he crashes.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Haha

[Mirek]

Test Karl Kruuda: Testy przed rajdem Niemiec Karl Kruuda - Skoda Fabia S2000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP-kVkqll1s)

[N.O.T]

interesting weather conditions....what is the prediction for rally Germany ???

[bluuford]

Long term weather maps are showing a lot of rain for Friday, it should be completely dry starting from Saturday lunch.I will look more closer tomorrow.

[focus206]

This rally is going to be very interesting, expecially if it rains :)

[pettersolberg29]

Interesting to look at the early Pickems. Almost everyone going for a Loeb win, although one brave soul has put Latvala 1st and Loeb 2nd! A couple have put Sordo in 2nd too despite the Mini having no competition experience on tarmac which is hopeful in my opinion. Also very little confidence in Petter and JML (by all but one anyway!) which I disagree with - both showed much improved tarmac pace last season.

[Juha_Koo]

Really interesting to see what Ford can do with the Fiesta...

Germany is one of my favourite rallies, okay I admit, they could really try to reshape the route (nearly the same every year nowdays). Now when Ireland is not driven, it's the only "special tarmac" rally.

I hope Fiesta kicks ass, if it does, then I'm waiting a lot from JML. I'm also waiting a surprise from Sordo. Maybe he'll toss it or the car will go kaboom, but I'm expecting him to be fighting for a podium place. ;)

[Barreis]

You're expecting a lot. I hope also for mini.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mini!! :d

[Tom206wrc]

Don't dream too much about possibilities of the Fiestas vs the DS3s on tarmac :p :

[AndyRAC]

Really interesting to see what Ford can do with the Fiesta...

Germany is one of my favourite rallies, okay I admit, they could really try to reshape the route (nearly the same every year nowdays). Now when Ireland is not driven, it's the only "special tarmac" rally.

I hope Fiesta kicks ass, if it does, then I'm waiting a lot from JML. I'm also waiting a surprise from Sordo. Maybe he'll toss it or the car will go kaboom, but I'm expecting him to be fighting for a podium place. ;)

Yeah, agree!! Needs a fresh look, new stages. It's become very monotonous - and sums up modern WRC era rallying. Thank goodness Finland/ Acropolis have done something different.
What about a stage on the Nordschleife..???

[6789]

Yeah, agree!! Needs a fresh look, new stages. It's become very monotonous - and sums up modern WRC era rallying. Thank goodness Finland/ Acropolis have done something different.
What about a stage on the Nordschleife..???
Yeah that would be cool! Its a long way from Trier but?

[Gard]

Interesting to look at the early Pickems. Almost everyone going for a Loeb win, although one brave soul has put Latvala 1st and Loeb 2nd! A couple have put Sordo in 2nd too despite the Mini having no competition experience on tarmac which is hopeful in my opinion. Also very little confidence in Petter and JML (by all but one anyway!) which I disagree with - both showed much improved tarmac pace last season.

Petter wouldn't be allowed to win. Perhaps only if both the seb's have trouble. Petter will be app .4sec/km slower than the factory citroens. Maybe later this year, if Citroen wraps up both the titles early.

[Josti]

What about a stage on the Nordschleife..???

I think they once did that when it was still an ERC round.

[mm1]

Yeah that would be cool! Its a long way from Trier but?

I wouldn`t say it is a very long way from Trier, considering the milage on road sections in the recent Neste Oil rally.

[Franky]

Why not add one leg with Eifel Rallye stages (don't know anything about the stages there) and then also a run on Nordscheilfe. New stages for the rally and they could make the Mosel valley stages into a more compact one day, then one at the Baumholder and one near Daun/Nürburg. Or how ever things will run smoother.

[hsmed]

Nordschleife has been used as a stage in Rally Deutschland many times in the years before the rally was a part of the WRC. If my memory is right they also had the rally center at the Nurburgring once in the late 90's.

[Barreis]

That would be cool to compare the times with local maniacs. :D

[pettersolberg29]

Petter wouldn't be allowed to win. Perhaps only if both the seb's have trouble. Petter will be app .4sec/km slower than the factory citroens. Maybe later this year, if Citroen wraps up both the titles early.

I wasn't suggesting Petter can win, but most have him 5th, 6th or lower which is a surprise. I disagree he'll be slower than Ogier...I think Petter is a far better tarmac driver than people give him credit for, and can see him being the 2nd fastest driver in Germany. Whether or not he can finish 2nd, for whatever reason, is another mater ;)

[darkstar]

defently tom! please no eifel and no nordschleife, hat would totally suck! they could so easily change all stages, there are hundrets of vineyard roads that could be used to change the stage totally in every year. and same is on panzerplatte, you could create a completely new stage there every year.

[Juha_Koo]

Few years ago I saw an onboard of Grönholm in Panzerplatte with the 307 (I presume it was extra on some DVD?) but now I can't find it anywhere... Anyone have any clue?

[Atob WRC]

Hello :)

Can someone help me to locate these places:

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_161_raikkonen_30.jpg

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_161_solbergp_2.jpg
I think it's on Ruwertal/Fell?

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/de/sa_a_3_latvala_12.jpg

Hello,

The first photo is at Moselwein stage, on the final part.

Look at the file:

2809

Best regards.

[hari]

Some images of todays SWRC Test can be found here:
IR7.at - SWRC Test ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_swrc_test_vor_rallye_deutschland_2011.php)

http://www.ir7.at/content/newsimg/i/swrctest1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/newsimg/i/swrctest2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/newsimg/i/swrctest3.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

What kind of performance we can anticipate from Campana? His driving impressed me in Corsica but those were his home roads...

[Barreis]

Can't wait for start and Sordo's times.

[wildsir]

Can't wait for start and Sordo's times.

Me too. THX.

[GigiGalliNo1]

What kind of performance we can anticipate from Campana? His driving impressed me in Corsica but those were his home roads...

I have to ask and look stupid but who is Campana? :) I will research... :)

[Mirek]

Corsican, 2WD winner of Tour de Corse, this year with 207 S2000 he was 4th overall and 1st privateer. Also set many good results in 2WD categories in other asphalt events like Ypres, Sanremo etc.

[Roy]

I have to ask and look stupid but who is Campana? :) I will research... :)


I didn't Campana know either

eWRC-results.com - profile Pierre Campana (http://www.ewrc-results.com/profile.php?profile=2307)

[mousti]

Test SWRC + Araujo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DEan009ZS4&feature=feedu

Seems Rajhi will hire Orr for Deutschland now Al Qassimi hadn't Deutschland in his plans :)

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Yesterday i was to Ken Block, Mads Ostberg & Mikko Hirvonen Test Days Germany Rallye - My HD Video is now out with Onboard (Block & Mads) bonus Image (http://t.co/MOfYQ4j)

[Salist]

Only one night and we start to Trier. :)

[Salist]

#WRC Yesterday i was to Ken Block, Mads Ostberg & Mikko Hirvonen Test Days Germany Rallye - My HD Video is now out with Onboard (Block & Mads) bonus Image (http://t.co/MOfYQ4j)

Thanks Jeremie!

[OldF]

defently tom! please no eifel and no nordschleife, hat would totally suck! they could so easily change all stages, there are hundrets of vineyard roads that could be used to change the stage totally in every year. and same is on panzerplatte, you could create a completely new stage there every year.

I believe that. I had yesterday a look at the stages with rally-maps. Here’s an example of SS16/18 Moselwein Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/0/16/49.84730914163155/6.853344440460205).

I found also couple of odd junction on Arena Panzerplatte, 7,8 km from the start and 19,8 km from start Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/17/49.65492572850773/7.320370674133301).

Another one is at 10,5 km from start and 13,3 km fro start Rally Map | Rally-Maps.com (http://www.rally-maps.com/map/position/1/17/49.64413780428051/7.322838306427002).

Hope that the timing is such that two competitors don’t meet in these junctions, especially if the other one is late with the braking and go straight. These could be places for Rautenbach to take out Loeb :D .

[Nornbugger]

Hi, has anyone got directions to shakedown, the map says up to Trier and left a bit, would like something a bit more accurate for Tomtom!

[Leon]

I see Matt Wilson is on the entry list. I remember when they made a big fuss about him quitting after finland due to lack of funds. What happened? I am amazed that their PR machine stopped working........

[Voice of Rally]

Hi Guys,

Out in Germany and had a quick look at the stages yesterday - here's my preview video.

WRC - We preview Rallye Deutschland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEplmZ7U-Q)

[MartijnS]

Hi, has anyone got directions to shakedown, the map says up to Trier and left a bit, would like something a bit more accurate for Tomtom!

Mesenich should be fine ;)

[Nornbugger]

Mesenich should be fine ;)

thanks :)

[wwbroe]

Hi Guys,

Out in Germany and had a quick look at the stages yesterday - here's my preview video.

WRC - We preview Rallye Deutschland - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkEplmZ7U-Q)

Great work once again Colin, keep it up like you are doing.

[F1boat]

I hope that Loeb will make history again...

[bluuford]

I did a short weather forecast for Germany:

Tonight there might be some very light rain and some more rain is expected at the beginning of shakedown. It should stop around 10 AM. Then it will be try until the evening and at the moment it looks like from 5PM or 6PM some heavy thunder is expected. Very strong rainshowers might continue until midnight. Temperature during the shakedown day might reach around +30 degrees

Friday might be almost dry, but the possibility of rainshowers is still high (in the morning and lunchtime). It looks like thunder weather and experience is telling that sometimes it is not possible to forecast thunderstorms more than couple of hours. The highest possibility is around stages 2,3 and 5,6. temperature drops significantly and stays around 20 degrees
night will be very cold. temperature might drop to +10 degrees. There is high possibility of fog in the morning.

Saturday looks to come warmer again and seems that no more rain for Rally Germany this year. So, there should not be any rain on Saturday. Temperature around stages increases again and in the afternoon it can be over 25 degrees. So, tires might wear pretty well due to high temperature and abrasive stages. Night will be warmer again (over 15 degrees). Low possibility of fog early in the morning

Sunday should be dry again. And very warm. Temperature might reach over 30 degrees again. So, looks like normal German rally weather - you can expect everything!

So, take some warm gear if you plan to camp out around Baumholder district (Friday night).

[MartijnS]

Thanks for the info!

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_5ac0eef05b.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_636004c5fd.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_c23f857b36.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_rally_deutschland_2011_e312ca86ce.jpg

More photos from service HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=913&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=)

[Barreis]

Nice photos.

[MartijnS]

No reflecting foil on the windows, nice :D

[mas-racing]

pictures from de servicepark in Trier online on : www.mas-racing.be (http://www.mas-racing.be) suject foto map WRC Germany 2011

[MartijnS]

We're on our way to the shakedown now :) 2,5 hours drive left! Looking forward to the rally :)

[Viking]

Shakedown times so far.
10:15 hour

1. Ogier 3.37,2 (3 runs)
2. Hirvonen 3.38,5 (4 runs)
3. Loeb 3.40,4 (3 runs)
4. Ostberg 3.41,2 (2 runs)
5 Meeke 3.41,2 (3 runs)
6 H. Solberg 3.41,4 (3 runs)
7 Sordo 3.41,7 (3 runs)
8 Araujo 3.42,0 (4 runs)
9 P. Solberg 3.42,6 (2 runs)
10 Latvala 3.43,2 (2 runs)
16 P van Merksteijn 3.49,2 (2 runs)

Stolen from
Shakedown times so far.|Latest Posts in VM-Motorsport Blog - (http://www.vm-motorsport.nl/Blog/tabid/65/PostID/28/Shakedown-times-so-far.aspx)

[Hartusvuori]

Meeke suffered two punctures on 3rd shakedown run.

https://twitter.com/#!/krismeeke

[rage82]

Shakedown times so far.
10:15 hour

1. Ogier 3.37,2 (3 runs)
2. Hirvonen 3.38,5 (4 runs)
3. Loeb 3.40,4 (3 runs)
4. Ostberg 3.41,2 (2 runs)
5 Meeke 3.41,2 (3 runs)
6 H. Solberg 3.41,4 (3 runs)
7 Sordo 3.41,7 (3 runs)
8 Araujo 3.42,0 (4 runs)
9 P. Solberg 3.42,6 (2 runs)
10 Latvala 3.43,2 (2 runs)
16 P van Merksteijn 3.49,2 (2 runs)

Stolen from
Shakedown times so far.|Latest Posts in VM-Motorsport Blog - (http://www.vm-motorsport.nl/Blog/tabid/65/PostID/28/Shakedown-times-so-far.aspx)

Thanks! I'm also trying to find some shakedown times but with no results for the moment :)

[mousti]

SD
1. Ogier3m36.3
2. Loeb 3.37.7
3. Hirvonen 3.38.5
4. Meeke 3.39.1
5. Raikkonen 3.39.9
6. Sordo 3.40.1
7. Ostberg 3.41.2
8. P.Solberg 3.41.2

This from Meeke's Twitter

[wwbroe]

SD
1. Ogier3m36.3
2. Loeb 3.37.7
3. Hirvonen 3.38.5
4. Meeke 3.39.1
5. Raikkonen 3.39.9
6. Sordo 3.40.1
7. Ostberg 3.41.2
8. P.Solberg 3.41.2

This from Meeke's Twitter

What about JML's time on shakedown? Is there any site we can see full shakedownresults?

[N.O.T]

nice performance by Minis...lets hope they are that close on the rally as well....

By the way anyone heard anything about Loeb ?? is he going to Le mans, WTCC, or DTM ???

Because i think he is fed up with rallying and wants to win a ladys cup....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Hahahhaahha

[r199]

Shakedown times till 11:00 hour (http://www.vm-motorsport.nl/Blog/tabid/65/PostID/29/Shakedown-times-till-11-00-hour.aspx)

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Shakedown times (till 11:00 hour)

1. Ogier 3.36,3 (4 runs)
2. Loeb 3.37,7 (4 runs)
3. Hirvonen 3.38,5 (4 runs)
4. Meeke 3.39,1 (4 runs)
5. Raikkonen 3.39,3 (4 runs)
6. Sordo 3.40,1 (4 runs)
7. Ostberg 3.41,2 (2 runs)
8. P. Solberg 3.41,2 (3 runs)
9. H. Solberg 3.41,4 (3 runs)
10. Araujo 3.42,0 (4 runs)
11. Latvala 3.43,2 (2 runs)
12. D. Kuipers 3.44,1 (4 runs)
15. P. van Merksteijn 3.46,4 (3 runs)
21. Weijs 3.52,8 (3 runs)
22. B. ten Brinke 3.53,2 (6 runs)
28. R. Kuipers 3.56,1 (4 runs)
29. E. van Loon 3.56,5 (5 runs)
Posted By Gerard Grouve on Thursday, August 18, 2011



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[Mintexmemory]

Besides the Mini adventure I'm really looking forward to see how Weijs jr stacks up against Ott and Juho.

[Lo]

Ogier 3.36,3 (4 passages)
Loeb 3.37,7 (4 passages)
Hirvonen 3.37,7 (5 passages)
Latvala 3.37,9 (4 passages)
P. Solberg 3.38,6 (5 passages)
H. Solberg 3.38,7 (4 passages)
Ostberg 3.39,0 (4 passages)
Meeke 3.39,1 (4 passages)
Raikkonen 3.39,3 (4 passages)
Sordo 3.40,1 (4 passages)
Araujo 3.42,0 (4 passages)
Flodin 3.43,5 (6 passages)
Wilson 3.43,7 (6 passages)
D.Kuipers 3.44,1 (5 passages)
P.Van Merksteijn Jr. 3.46,4 (4 passages)
Burkart 3.47,4 (5 passages)
Tänak 3.47,5 (3 passages)
Herbold 3.48,2 (4 passages)
Prokop 3.48,5 (3 passages)
Block 3.49,6 (5 passages)
Campana 3.50,9 (5 passages)
Turan 3.51,0 (2 passages)
Weijs Jr. 3.52,1 (4 passages)
Hänninen 3.52,3 (2 passages)

[WRC] Rallye d'Allemagne - 18 au 21 août 2011 - Forum-Rallye - Page 14 (http://www.forum-rallye.com/index.php?/topic/713-rallye-dallemagne-18-au-21-aout-2011/page__view__findpost__p__95081)

;)

[N.O.T]

indeed...last year against neuville he won relatively easy. Hanninen is a stronger opponent though.

[bluuford]

Indeed! Ott has never done any rallies with S2000 car on tarmac. An he has done only 2 rallies on tarmac anyway :-) Germany (5th with superally) and France (second) last year. So, I do not expect too much. Podium would be excellent for him I think (Behind Hänninen and Prokop).

[N.O.T]

He must win against tourists like prokop with ease, at least on day 2...if he does not then "houston we have a problem"

[Mirek]

Prokop and Weijs have very good local knowledge and I'm sure they will be strong here.

[NiekJ]

Mikkelsen and Lindroos where surprisingly 'slow' in Finland, I wonder whether the same will happen to Weijs and Riedemann.

[Mintexmemory]

Prokop and Weijs have very good local knowledge and I'm sure they will be strong here.

Is Weijs limited to the same tyres as the SWRC registered drivers?

[Mirek]

Yes

[bluuford]

Good, then it is much easier to compare, last year for example, Pirelli Mitsubishis were over 100kg heavier than the others (Salo, Araujo etc.) and it was very difficult to compare the speed.

[N.O.T]

Prokop and Weijs have very good local knowledge and I'm sure they will be strong here.

weijs is a good driver...and he might have a future in the WRC, but he must move a bit faster if he wants a career and i do not see many resources around him, lets hope VW will change that.

Prokop is a waste of resources (thank god only his own) is one of those drivers who drive for years and years and never improve or learn anything.

Local knowledge is indeed a factor, thats why i expect ott to be faster than Prokop on day 2.

[Mintexmemory]

Local knowledge is indeed a factor, thats why i expect ott to be faster than Prokop on day 2.

Run that past me again! Ott has done Deutschland once and only 2 WRC tarmac events in total. Am I missing some ironic implication that OT has gained more from his 1 visit to the Mosel valley than all of Prokop's previous experience. If so, N.O.T., you have developed a subtlety I had previously not suspected

[N.O.T]

not as far as knowledge goes you need a lot more experience than 1-2 visits...but when it comes to driving abilities ott is on a different league than Prokop and 1 day of rallying will be sufficient to adapt to the grip levels of germany and then be faster than prokop.

at least that would be the good scenario.

[RS]

not as far as knowledge goes you need a lot more experience than 1-2 visits...but when it comes to driving abilities ott is on a different league than Prokop and 1 day of rallying will be sufficient to adapt to the grip levels of germany and then be faster than prokop.

at least that would be the good scenario.

Tarmac driving is about more than just having more grip, but it will be interesting to see how quick he can adapt. Some never manage it.

[N.O.T]

Some never manage it.

thats is indeed true, i really hope but i also believe so that tanak will do well.

[Hartusvuori]

Mikkelsen and Lindroos where surprisingly 'slow' in Finland, I wonder whether the same will happen to Weijs and Riedemann.

From wrc.com (http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-fastest-in-rallye-deutschland-shakedown/?fid=15184)


German Christian Riedemann, making his debut in one of two Volkswagen Motorsport Skoda Fabia S2000s, suffered a setback when he crashed into a field.

[bluuford]

I just realized that this is the premiere of Michelin tarmac tire... It came to my mind after Meeke got double puncture. So, we witnessed many punctures on Michelin gravel and snow tire when they first appeared..I hope we willnot see the same on tarmac.

[Mirek]

I guess we will. In IRC where almost everyone uses Michelin it's also a common part of the game...

[bluuford]

But they are not using control tires.. at the same time they are not using WRcars as well which are more aggressive.. so,you must be right. So, my offer is between 5 and 7 punctures in total among top 15 seeded drivers ;-) Shakedown does not count!

[darkstar]

is there any link to shakedwon results for all drivers?

btw: some good time from felix herbold ;)

[Terezka]

Photo Shakedown
eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1238&fotograf=35&all=1)

[N.O.T]

Hmmmm...i do not like the times of campana...lets see his times in the real event.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Photo Shakedown
eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1238&fotograf=35&all=1)

Oh My God those pics are great! The MinI's and that one Skoda pic (Red Bull) I love!!

[bluuford]

is there any link to shakedwon results for all drivers?

btw: some good time from felix herbold ;)

In my view he is the driver with biggest potential among current German rally drivers. He might reach to somewhere. I f I would be Volkswagen and searching young driver for second team, then he would be perfect. He is not too old, he is quite fast with minimal experience outside Germany and most important thing..he is German :-)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_h_d24b896c2d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_loeb__elena_%28citroen_ds3_wrc%29_9f97320392.j pg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_ten_brinke__thierie_%28Skoda_fabia_s2000%29_b7 c656d2b4.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/913/913_r_60af2c9cb7.jpg

More photos from shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=913&fseason=2011)

[hanjob11]

Hi,

pictures of todays shakedown

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2011_1108/rallye_deutschland__1490/donnerstag_1491/album_1_1492/dtl2011-sdkh-064_20110818_1149627703.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2011_1108/rallye_deutschland__1490/donnerstag_1491/album_1_1492/dtl2011-sdkh-110_20110818_1811207596.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2011_1108/rallye_deutschland__1490/donnerstag_1491/album_1_1492/dtl2011-sdkh-183_20110818_1569399649.jpg

http://www.rally3.de/components/com_joomgallery/img_pictures/2011_1108/rallye_deutschland__1490/donnerstag_1491/album_1_1492/dtl2011-sdkh-196_20110818_1409306224.jpg

More at http://www.rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de/)

Karsten

[Fri]

shakedown pics:
rallysport.hu - Német Rally - teszt (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/09_nemet/01_teszt_fri/index.htm)

[Barreis]

Photo Shakedown
eWRC.cz - Fotogalerie ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.ewrc.cz/ewrc/fotogalery.php?events=1238&fotograf=35&all=1)

I like the photos.

[mousti]

Shakedown video by JM

Shakedown - ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2011 [HD] by JM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTJB3e9mPdQ)

[Fri]

Shakedown video:
: : RallySport.hu - Rally Deutschland shakedown : : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/video/046-rshu_rally_deutschland_2011_shakedown.htm)

[Miika]

"Review" of the shakedown with incars and so on:
Shakedown WRC Rallye Deutschland 2011 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh0S7FBcJ4M)

[mousti]

Man those interviews with Kimi, it always seems he's sleeping during the interviews.. :D

[bennizw]

What´s wrong with the videos at wrc.com? I haven´t had them working for quite a few rallies now.

[hanjob11]

Hi,

pictures of shakedown & servicepark are online at http://www.rally3.de (http://www.rally3.de/)

Have fun!

Karsten

[Aquagen]

Some photos from Service and Shakedown:

Àâòîñïîðò â Óêðàèíå - WRC ADAC Rallye Deutschland 2011 (http://www.reporters.com.ua/gallery/1/116/)

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/ce6d2d4acfe67a5a77e722b259e6e109.jpg

[janvanvurpa]

Anybody know where FULL shakedown times might be?

[uranium]

Maybe I missed smth. On wrc.com
World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://wrc.com/results/2011/adac-rallye-deutschland/itinerary/)
there is info that the first day is today. How come?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Finally... a TARMAC rally !!!

Its been so long and so boring watching all these near-identical gravel events this Season ... they really need to put in more tarmac rounds and mix up the programme ...

Anyway its great to see the latest WRC cars going hard and looking so good on the road.

Love it... especially the Fiesta's :)

Go Jari, Go Mikko !!

http://www.reporters.com.ua/gall_img/39027ea437d7477793a7474aa483943a.jpg

[Barreis]

Thanks Miika. Nice blond bitch in the video.

[Juha_Koo]

Thanks Miika. Nice blond bitch in the video.

Man, you're a true gentleman...

I can tell you that "b****" is totally wrong word to describe her. Anette interviewed me before NORF and we also had a nice chat. Very warm, easygoing and expressive personality - even offered me a lift in MTV3's car on the test stage - which was much appreciated. :)

I'm eagerly waiting for tomorrow... It's been three months since the last time I've been at home following a WRC event. Let the action begin! Loeb will win SS1 by a margin of 2,3 seconds and Petter second. ;)

[Loose_Unit]

after watching those videos, im convinced the mini is one of the worst sounding cars ever! Sounds so muffled, some people love the popping but the cackle it has is silly. the citroen by far sounds the best, its just sounds like raw power...

[janvanvurpa]

Man, you're a true gentleman...

I can tell you that "b****" is totally wrong word to describe her. Anette interviewed me before NORF and we also had a nice chat. Very warm, easygoing and expressive personality - even offered me a lift in MTV3's car on the test stage - which was much appreciated. :)

I'm eagerly waiting for tomorrow... It's been three months since the last time I've been at home following a WRC event. Let the action begin! Loeb will win SS1 by a margin of 2,3 seconds and Petter second. ;)

In the words of your great President Urho kkekkonen when Richard Nixon decended the stairs, he stuck out his hand and tried to say "welcome to Finland. How are you"

but he really said "Who are you?"
So, why would some nice lady interview you?

Are all of us on this forum also famous?

Still haven't seen all the shake down times only top 20..

Any more times

[darkstar]

In my view he is the driver with biggest potential among current German rally drivers. He might reach to somewhere. I f I would be Volkswagen and searching young driver for second team, then he would be perfect. He is not too old, he is quite fast with minimal experience outside Germany and most important thing..he is German :-)

hm, he´s not so bad as it seems, but im really, really looking forward to what sepp wiegand in riedemans academy fiesta will show us on this weekend. in my opinion he´s a big, big talent. and he´s still pretty young too, only his 2nd season and not mutch experience(as far as i know he only drove 12 rallyes in germany and one in france with a swift grp. n) but some massive speed. but this weekend will defenetly show how fast all our german talents really are. i hope i wont get disappointed (again). now we´ll leave off to the stages, have fun today guys!

[Koppomsbo]

Gooood Morning! Lets hope for a great day of rally action today :D

[papar007]

Finally... a TARMAC rally !!!

Its been so long and so boring watching all these near-identical gravel events this Season ... they really need to put in more tarmac rounds and mix up the programme ...



What?Boring the gravel enents?OMG

[N.O.T]

10 more minutes...

[J.Lindstroem]

Can't wait!

[Viking]

yeah, can someone tell the lazy Germans to please start the rally?? :)

[N.O.T]

5 now...

lets see if the fords are any better here....

[bluuford]

Latest weather maps are telling that the clouds are going to look very frightening today.. But from my experience I would say 95% sure, we are not going to see any rain on the stages today. just a little bit humid weather.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen slower 0.9 ...not good.

[6789]

Ogier quicker than Loeb at split 3!! Hope for a fight!

[bluuford]

oo.. Hirvonen Keeps Loeb pace.. and Ogier fastest. Gravel boy is doing well :-)

[wwbroe]

He is two seconds faster as Seb1, so very good performance. Then on the other hand he has to win this one if he wants some chance for the title.

[N.O.T]

we will see... still early.

[Viking]

split times is much closer than last year :up:

[Miika]

Uuu, lovely stuff on a 24km stage, but early days yet.

[Juha_Koo]

In the words of your great President Urho kkekkonen when Richard Nixon decended the stairs, he stuck out his hand and tried to say "welcome to Finland. How are you"

but he really said "Who are you?"
So, why would some nice lady interview you?

Are all of us on this forum also famous?

:D Well, it was just a question of being on the right place on the right time. I was at Loeb's Finland test and for some reason, they included a few "true fans" to the story and I ended up being on TV.


OGIER OFF ON SS1!

[rage82]

Ogier with damage on the front

[N.O.T]

LOL nice split by Kimi....future champ.

[HarriK]

Ogier damages his car!

[N.O.T]

Ogier with damage on the front

probably from the cuts.

[MikeD]

Ogier has an off ... but is still fastest :)

[6789]

Good start by the Ford boys, better than first tarmac last year :)

[wwbroe]

Latvalla fastest trough

[Mirek]

Go JML Go! :D

[pete c]

latvala fastest

[Miika]

Jari-Matti hahaa.

[Juha_Koo]

JML fastest! :s mokin:Excellent...

[N.O.T]

Very nice by latvala :D :D

[MikeD]

Strong start from Sordo and I am especially looking forward to seeing the speed of Flodin, Campana and Burkart.

[noel157]

Mathew Wilson - WILSON M. / MARTIN S. (st. č. 5) "Just dissapointed, we had slow start." 33 secs off the pace after 24 km.

[Mirek]

For me the next one to watch is definitely Meeke.

[Motorsportfun]

Hullu JM!

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Our man leading tarmac event!!!!! Hyvä Suomi Finland Perkele!

[Mintexmemory]

Our man leading tarmac event!!!!! Hyvä Suomi Finland Perkele!

Just what this event needed - Now come on Kris

[MikeD]

Uhhh Raikkonen .... that's just not good enough ... actually quite embarresing :(

[Mirek]

Kimi had a spin.

By the way why Meeke is so down the order? He must have a lot of gravel on the road...

[vkangas]

Uhhh Raikkonen .... that's just not good enough ... actually quite embarresing :(
Ok, not great, but check the splits. He's propably had a small of or something.

Go JML GO!!!

[Viking]

Fun fact: Sordo was 5,4sec behind Loeb on this stage last year , this year he is... 5,6sec behind! so the Mini is as fast as DS3 ?? :)

[Rally Hokkaido]

Good time from Sordo - early days yet but Mini seems to have the pace on tarmac

[6789]

Uhhh Raikkonen .... that's just not good enough ... actually quite embarresing :(
Spin on third corner into stage

[HarriK]

Got sms message from friend who is 3km before end of the ss1. There ogier car was still in good shape.

[rage82]

No splits fot Meeke?

[Rally Hokkaido]

Spin on third corner into stage

Probably wondering who forgot to fit the tyre warmers....lol

[Mintexmemory]

Got sms message from friend who is 3km before end of the ss1. There ogier car was still in good shape.

He'll be at the uphill hairpin left then in order to get a quick exit for the Piesport road -wish I was ;-(

Yay - solid start for Kris - Looks like the works minis are playing themselves in

[noel157]

No splits fot Meeke?

Times are very slow coming through. Hopefully just a glitch. Block missing too.

[MikeD]

No splits fot Meeke?

I don't think he has started the stage yet. I think he's after Burkart

[gregwrc]

Where are Meeke and Block ???

World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://wrc.com/results/2011/adac-rallye-deutschland/start-lists/)

[Luis Pacheco]

Another touristic tour for Armundo. Very expensive way of doing this kind of tourism...

[papar007]

Meek 7th and Block 15th

[rage82]

Now Block is on the time table but the times are coming very slow indeed

[noel157]

I don't think he has started the stage yet. I think he's after Burkart

Block and Meeke are seeded before Burkart.

[Mintexmemory]

Where are Meeke and Block ???

World Rally Championship - Results - ADAC Rallye Deutschland (http://wrc.com/results/2011/adac-rallye-deutschland/start-lists/)

You have to keep a stage time window open in addition to the splits ;-)

[rage82]

Not bad splits for Burkart as for 1-st time in wrc car

[noel157]

You have to keep a stage time window open in addition to the splits ;-)

Still doesn't work. ):

[gregwrc]

You have to keep a stage time window open in addition to the splits ;-)
ok

I didn't find Block's and Meeke's splits times but I found their stage times.........

[RS]

Shakedown video by JM

Shakedown - ADAC Deutschland Rallye 2011 [HD] by JM - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTJB3e9mPdQ)

Good video. Seems the new WRCars are better to watch on tarmac than the old ones but not better than the traditional S2000s. That Megane looks dreadfully boring, what spec is it?

[Mintexmemory]

Sorry misunderstanding - you wont see the splits you just know if the missing cars have finished the stage in order (doh!)

[RS]

Not bad splits for Burkart as for 1-st time in wrc car

It's not his first time.

[Mintexmemory]

It's not his first time.

IN a WRC round, surely it must be?

[noel157]

What or which cars have to carry the GPS Split thing?

[Mintexmemory]

Weijs 8.1 secs faster than Riedemann! Prokop, Juho and Ott on stage

[RS]

IN a WRC round, surely it must be?

He did GB in a C4 I think.

[Juha_Koo]

What or which cars have to carry the GPS Split thing?

All cars taking part to the WRC event?

AFAIK the split system is incorporated to the GPS tracker safety system and that system has to be in every car.

[Mirek]

Among S2000 it's clearly just a question of Prokop or Hänninen. Hopefully both finish :)

[noel157]

He did GB in a C4 I think.

Yes, for winning the C2 championship, finished 12th I think.

Jari Matti Latvala with a fantastic start with his Ford Fiesta WRC in Germany.
The Finn Ford driver Jari Matti Latvala made a fantastic start in the first stage of ADAC Rally Germany the 24.18 km Ruwertal / Fell 1.
Latvala time is: 13:57.4 with average speed of 103.95 km/h. Second is S. Ogier at +1.5 sec. S. Loeb is third at +2.0 sec, fourth is Mikko Hirvonen at +2.4 sec and fifth is Peter Solberg at +6.7 sec.

[fmcv]

Another touristic tour for Armundo. Very expensive way of doing this kind of tourism...

well, at least he has no s2000's or N4's in front of him... yet...

[RS]

well, at least he has no s2000's or N4's in front of him... yet...

Juho and Prokop.

[Mintexmemory]

He did GB in a C4 I think.

We are not worthy ! correct 2009 in the Citroen Junior team.

Tanak must have had some trouble, Kruuda has set a faster time than he did!

[focus206]

Very interesting start of the rally :) Too early to say, but Ford and Mini look good on tarmac.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Some days ago somebody wrote in this forum that Prokop would be a tourist. It´s nice that a tourist can beat Hänninen on the first stage.

[Juha_Koo]

Rally radio reporting some rain on SS2.

[noel157]

Hirvonen in trouble?

[aykutbilir]

Just 2 split points for a 22 km stage? :mad:

I heard Citroen's on hard Ford's on soft tyres. Rain can affect Citroen's badly.

It backs to normal 5 split.. i hate wrc.com really..

[noel157]

Just 2 split points for a 22 km stage? :mad:

İ heard Citroen's on hard Ford's on soft tyres. Rain can affect Citroen's badly.

I thought it was the other way around. Ford on hard compound.

[papar007]

Hirvonen in trouble?

I think the problem are the tyres(Hard on fords)