WRC Germany 2011

[rage82]

OMg! miko 19.5 sec slower on 4-th split. Great strategy by Citroen again

[MikeD]

I thought it was the other way around. Ford on hard compound.

that's also what they say on WRR ... even though they say that Loeb has Hard on one side and Soft on the other side????

[Mirek]

Crazy splits...

[papar007]

that's also what they say on WRR ... even though they say that Loeb has Hard on one side and Soft on the other side????
Soft on the right and hard on the left!!!!!!

[aykutbilir]

I thought it was the other way around. Ford on hard compound.

Yeah it is cos Latvala is comign slower too.

[Juha_Koo]

M-Sport meteo handled this suberbly once again... Game over for the Ford boys, no doubt.

[fmcv]

Awful times from Tanak and Al-Attiyah. Any clues for that?

[Mintexmemory]

Let's hope Prodrive have got it right

[focus206]

Everyone is ages behind the 2 Citroen :\

[mdesign]

I get the feeling that citroen always gets the tyres right... ford on the other hand :/

[noel157]

M-Sport meteo handled this suberbly once again... Game over for the Ford boys, no doubt.

Haven't we been here before? Not the first time Ford have got it wrong in Germany.

[Mirek]

I get the feeling that citroen always gets the tyres right... ford on the other hand :/

It's a shame but still lesser epic fail than Škoda in this years Monte Carlo :D

[r199]

Flodin stoped in stage

[I am evil Homer]

Awful times from Tanak and Al-Attiyah. Any clues for that?

One is still learning, the other is pretty useless

[noel157]

Sordo 11.5 down on 2nd split, maybe hard tyres too.

[noel157]

Presume Petter does not get France Meteo information?

[focus206]

Is everyone on hard tyres except the 2 Sebs???

[Miika]

Ou yea baby, cruise mode on from now on.

[noel157]

Looks like it, Sordo now 28 down.

[papar007]

Is everyone on hard tyres except the 2 Sebs???

Probably!

[Mirek]

It looks like the game is over but hey, last year in Barum rally it was similar with first three starters driving the longest stage on dry and heavy rain for the rest. But as the situation repeated several times, it ended with a crazy mix of offs and position changes. So let's wait and see :)

[noel157]

Yep Mirek, early days yet, long way to go and many more clouds in the sky over next 3 days.

[Atob WRC]

Probably!

excepting the hard or soft tyres, the big difference would be due for the rain or not??

[fmcv]

There's still a big battle going on between the two sebs. Let's face it: those are the two guys that really have chances of winning the championship...

[sp0+]

Game over from the 2nd SS... This is sad for the rally....but good for Citroen and Sebs...

It will be between the two of them now....

[noel157]

Meeke on the splits finally, hard tyres too.

[Halvis]

Small off for Petter.

[pete c]

so which seb will bin it? neither will want the other to come out on top.....game on

[focus206]

What happened to Flodin? Crashed or something on the car?

[r199]

dont know about Flodin, all thay say on WRR is he is stoped in stage

[MikeD]

Sounds like WRR has been hit by the rain too ;)

[r199]

Kuipers also a good start for him

The rain stopped Ford drivers to battle for Rally Germany.
After the fantastic start of Ford driver Jari Matti Latvala follow the disappointment on stage two. Ford drivers have again problems with the strategy. The weather conditions changes but the Ford has no idea at the beginning of the race. On the second stage Grafschaft Veldenz 1 - 22.47 km the ford drivers loses 39.1 and 32.5 seconds by the new leader Sebastien Ogier with Citroen DS3 WRC. Second place is for the world champion Sebastien Loeb at +1.3 sec. Third place for Hirvonen, forth for Latvala, fifth is Sordo with MINI at +50.2 and sixth is K. Meeke at +59.9.

[Mitch555]

Interesting strategy by Citroen. Obviously it works though!

All the front runners will probably use softs for SS3 as they can change them at the remote refuel.

[noel157]

Interesting strategy by Citroen. Obviously it works though!

All the front runners will probably use softs for SS3 as they can change them at the remote refuel.

Are you sure? Only what they have in the boot. No extra tyres allowed.

[Sulland]

Did SS2 get stopped for some reason ?

[Atob WRC]

Interesting strategy by Citroen. Obviously it works though!

All the front runners will probably use softs for SS3 as they can change them at the remote refuel.

But, which was the choose for Ford and Citröen at the beginning of the rally??? And at the remote refuel, you can change all the tyres??

[Juha_Koo]

And at the remote refuel, you can change all the tyres??

No, refuel is only for fueling.

[Mitch555]

Are you sure? Only what they have in the boot. No extra tyres allowed.

Is it remote refuel or remote service? What is the difference?

The sporting regulations of WRC does not talk about remote refueling at all, but a remote service can have new tyres. Is it just a refuel then without tyres? If so then if its dry Ford has it right.

[Dug83]

fastest time by B.Reeves SS1 :eek:

[noel157]

Is it remote refuel or remote service? What is the difference?

The sporting regulations of WRC does not talk about remote refueling at all, but a remote service can have new tyres. Is it just a refuel then without tyres? If so then if its dry Ford has it right.

Yes, just remote fuel, nothing else.

[focus206]

fastest time by B.Reeves SS1 :eek:

Yes... by 45 seconds :D

[Mirek]

Tänak 6th time overall!

Prokop is out?

[Atob WRC]

Yes, just remote fuel, nothing else.

Hello noel157, which was the tyres chosed by FORD and CITROEN at the beginning? Why the rain don´t affected to Ogier on SS2?

[focus206]

Problem for Latvala on SS3?

[Mintexmemory]

Woo hoo Tanak 14.5 secs faster than Juho and same time as Meeke -Game on in SWRC

[pete c]

hmmm ford self destructing as usual....go the minis

[Miika]

A Mini in the podium, please.

[MikeD]

Ford is completely falling apart as a team.

[Juha_Koo]

Incredible, Citroen is totally safe after only two stages. Mikko having some small problems with rear rollbar and JML having a puncture. Super-short-lived joy after SS1...

[Mintexmemory]

A Mini in the podium, please.

Is it too much to hope for a mutually destructive Sebfest!!

[Micke_VOC]

Flodin stoped in stage

Broke a drive-belt to the waterpump. He will restart tomorrow.

[Mitch555]

Thanks for that clarification :)

Brendo Reeves should be a real contender in the Academy this weekend. Finished 4th outright in the Targa Tasmania tarmac rally this year, after 5 days in front of Porsches, R35 GTRs, Evos and WRXs in a FWD Mazda 3 MPS.

[bluuford]

Puncture nr 1 goes for ... Latvala!

[wildsir]

The rain was probably the best part of 1hr ago. The road could be dry by now.

[focus206]

Ostberg? :confused:

[Raini]

Colin about Tänak after SS2 time: "This guy is a loonie" :D

[noel157]

Hello noel157, which was the tyres chosed by FORD and CITROEN at the beginning? Why the rain don´t affected to Ogier on SS2?

Ford on hard compound because they thought it would stay dry, Citroen on soft because they thought it would be wet, or mostly wet. It was wet after the first 6 km or so on SS2 so Fords tyres went from slightly warm to cold and Citroen's soft tyres stayed warm(ish) and retained grip.

[Wim_Impreza]

It looks like the game is over but hey, last year in Barum rally it was similar with first three starters driving the longest stage on dry and heavy rain for the rest. But as the situation repeated several times, it ended with a crazy mix of offs and position changes. So let's wait and see :)

The WRC is much more predictable then the IRC...

[MikeD]

Please put Tänak in a WRC car ASAP ... I am getting curious to see how quick he will be.

[AndyRAC]

In changeable conditions why not split strategy?? Then you have both bases covered......Skoda suffered in Monte with no split strategy, now Ford repeat the mistake......

[N.O.T]

can i please have a briefiend of what happened to the ford kiddies ??? did they just crack under pressure ?? did a storm broke when they were on ???

Tanak proved me right... hope WV watches...he does not deserve to be a sponsor for the disgrace of the sport....

[focus206]

can i please have a briefiend of what happened to the ford kiddies ??? did they just crack under pressure ?? did a storm broke when they were on ???

Tanak proved me right... hope WV watches...he does not deserve to be a sponsor for the disgrace of the sport....

Wrong tyre choice on wet tarmac, and then puncture for Latvala.

[Viking]

Tänak must have made different tyre choise than Hanninen SS1 +27s, SS2 -14s ...

[N.O.T]

Solberg losing to the minis....

[pete c]

it turned to s##t as usual, wrong tyre choice, puncture for JML, suspected broken rear anti roll bar for Mikko ,just the usual, ford shooting them selves in the foot again.......

3 stages so far, 3 leaders in WRC Rally Germany.
After the third last stage to the service park the new rally leader is called Sebastien Loeb. Second place for S. Ogier at +4.4 seconds. Third place for Mikko Hirvonen at +35.2 seconds. Forth place is for the MINI driver Daniel Sordo +55.6. Fifth place for K. Meeke with MINI at +1:10.5. Sixth place for the privateer Peter Solberg with Citroen who has a small problem on stage two is at +1:16.8 sec.
The disaster for Latvala continues after the losing of his lead on stage three he has a puncture. That cost another 1:23 lost in stage 3 and finally end in overall so far seventh at + 2:00.8.
So far during the afternoon is expecting dry conditions.

[Viking]

SS3 Moselland 1 2010, Loeb 12:06.8 Sordo +1,5, 2011 (wet?) Loeb 12:15.1 Sordo +6,7

Mini is impressive methinks..

[Mirek]

So in SWRC Juho has now after SS3 a comfortable lead.

Anyone heard about Prokop? Some rumor he had a big crash. Can someone confirm?

[pete c]

so what happened to Reeves in academy, after stage 1 showing dead last???????

[Viking]

Tanak proved me right... hope WV watches...he does not deserve to be a sponsor for the disgrace of the sport....

Ok...


Tänak must have made different tyre choise than Hanninen SS1 +27s, SS2 -14s ...

SS3 +18

[N.O.T]

very bad start for campana as well....

lets see what happens in the second loop...obviously WIlson will give orders to Hirvonen not to push to bring some points for the team and avoid 1-2-3-4 citroen.

its still early for the citroen team to give any orders. but i do not think ogier can ctach Loeb here.

[Mirek]

So Prokop lost control in cutting, broke wheel and went in to wineyeard. They want to repair the car for tomorrow.

[aykutbilir]

So Prokop lost control in cutting, broke wheel and went in to wineyeard. They want to repair the car for tomorrow.
Too bad for Prokop. Thats going to be a nice fight btwn Hanninen and Prokop :(

[pete c]

just listened to interview with Malcom Wilson, he is a joke.

[aykutbilir]

just listened to interview with Malcom Wilson, he is a joke.
give us some details pete..

[pete c]

they were expecting the rain on ss2 but decided that a dry setup was the way to go .didn't even consider a split stategy or doing what Citroen (the masters of strategy) was going to do.
got all excited because a fin had led the rally after 1 stage
he obviously has not learned any thing from Citroen, after all these years

cheers
pete

[fmcv]

Sousa is out. maybe with a new co-driver... :rolleyes:

[Atob WRC]

they were expecting the rain on ss2 but decided that a dry setup was the way to go .didn't even consider a split stategy or doing what Citroen (the masters of strategy) was going to do.
got all excited because a fin had led the rally after 1 stage
he obviously has not learned any thing from Citroen, after all these years

cheers
pete

yes but one thing it´s dry setup, correct, and the other it´s tyre choice.

do not he spoken about the tyres??

[JTGANG]

Weijs jr is doing great so far !!!!

[pete c]

yes ,they made the choice for hard tyres only, no mixed compounds like Citroen.
you are either a hero or zero and as usual Ford made the wrong call.
as Loeb said in his interview the choice was lose a little time on softs if it stays dry, but if it rains gain heaps.
once again Citroen show why they win so many rallies and championships.

cheers
pete

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Was Loeb and Ogier only drivers with "soft" tyres?

[Mirek]

No, at least Tänak was another one. Anyway it's interesting that Seb 1.0+2.0 didn't loose anything on the two dry stages...

[focus206]

Was Loeb and Ogier only drivers with "soft" tyres?

I think yes, at least among WRC cars.

[pettersolberg29]

Was Loeb and Ogier only drivers with "soft" tyres?

I assume Tanak did too to get such an impressive stage time?

edit: as Mirek said first ;)

[Bobcat]

Was Loeb and Ogier only drivers with "soft" tyres?
10:49 Ostberg drops 59.1s
Ford driver Mads Ostberg loses 59.1s to the fastest crew on the second stage. "The rain has definitely made it interesting. All the Ford cars are on hard tyres. The guys on soft tyres are the most clever. That's probably why they keep winning rallies!"

[HarriK]

Sousa's car is blocking the road.. all the wheels are off (so I heard). Sousa don't let people to move his car....

[r199]

stage 3 stoped???? there are still no times for the academy drivers

[wildsir]

Yes, Citroen appear to have compromised SS1 for rain on SS2. That's why Latvala was fastest. Next loop with no rain might be a better indication of teams pace.

[N.O.T]

also a notice for all the girls and ladyboys (not in a thai sense) in here...

Ogier is 4.4 behind so you should start saying that Quesnel is going to slow him down to let Loeb win another fake title....and also that Ogier is going to Lemans...and other stuff you can make out in our head...

[N.O.T]

Nice quitting strategy by the ford team....bah....

[N.O.T]

Crazy time loss by Hirvonen...even if he doesn't push 11 seconds slower that Ogier in 2 splits is a lot.....

[r199]

:eek: :eek:Ford Real Big Oeps :eek: :eek:

[N.O.T]

Ogier on a charge :D :D

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen 11 seconds slower than his morning split 2....while Loeb 3 seconds faster....hmmmm quitting strategy or again tyre choice from hell ??

[Juha_Koo]

Most likely running on three cylinders...

[r199]

and Latvala on 2 Cylinders

[N.O.T]

LOL....who makes the tyre choices at Ford....Latvala also very slow...maybe they chose tyres for the next 2 stages ???

[N.O.T]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. Technical problems reported

rally.cz

[Mirek]

That smells by an epic fail...

[MikeD]

Hirvonen hit a wall???

[MikeD]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. Technical problems reported

rally.cz

Also from Latvala

[N.O.T]

what a disaster....Please Ford ... SACK WILSON !!!!!! It is sad to see the team (losers maybe but loyal to the sport) like that...they are both slow and unreliable...

[Juha_Koo]

Hirvonen: own mistake, contact with a wall, damaged rear wheel/suspension.

Incredible failure by Ford. Totally incredible.

[Miika]

Yesyes, Ogier. And come on Mini, you can do it.

[xavier]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. Technical problems reported

rally.cz

Mikko Hirvonen sustains rear suspension damage on SS4 and drops 25.5s. "It was my own mistake. I went wide and hit the wall, damaging the suspension. We'll see if we can do anything about it." (wrc.com)

[N.O.T]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. Suspension damage. "My mistake. I went wide and hit the wall"

[jonas_mcrae]

SS4 on, Mikko loosing time... Mini's could be on the podium soon

[pete c]

things going from bad to worse for ford, both cars in trouble.
mini looking good for podium
woohoo go Sordo

[Juha_Koo]

what a disaster....Please Ford ... SACK WILSON !!!!!! It is sad to see the team (losers maybe but loyal to the sport) like that...they are both slow and unreliable...

Could you please take your immature team/person/car scorching to some other thread, this thread is about following Rally Germany.

[MikeD]

what a disaster....Please Ford ... SACK WILSON !!!!!! It is sad to see the team (losers maybe but loyal to the sport) like that...they are both slow and unreliable...

I agree ... something simply has to be done at the M-Sport Ford team. This is humiliating...

[N.O.T]

Could you please take your immature team/person/car scorching to some other thread, this thread is about following Rally Germany.

well its ok for me its your national abassadors that are getting all this so no problem by me....but on the other hand i do care for the sport.

[logic]

well its ok for me its your national abassadors that are getting all this so no problem by me....but on the other hand i do care for the sport.

Well go run M-Sport then.

[Mirek]

A friends reports an off for Ken Block at his spot. Probably just a minor one.

[N.O.T]

very promissing times by sordo....

[N.O.T]

Well go run M-Sport then.

sorry my agenda is full at the moment....

[logic]

sorry my agenda is full at the moment....

True , being a full time **** is taking up all of your time.

[N.O.T]

Raikonen also nothing to offer...pathetic show.

Next year unemployment office for him as well

[N.O.T]

True , being a full time **** is taking up all of your time.

among other things...

[N.O.T]

Can hirvonen repair the suspension ???

[r199]

Meeke nice first split

[pete c]

ford might be lucky to have a car in the top 5.
this is embarassing for them.
Mikko seems to make driver errors every event now.

[I am evil Homer]

Pushing too hard to try and keep up I think. The Fiesta is solid car but lacks compared to the DS3, so they are all over driving to make up for it.

[N.O.T]

i like the times of meeke ...Mini 3-4 ???? yes please....

[jonas_mcrae]

So after only two rallyes the Mini's are perfroming better than the fords... food for thought

[Tom206wrc]

Fantastic job by Prodrive Mini !!!! Sordo and Meeke are really doing a great race :cool:
Didn't expect Ogier could challenge Loeb on his own "territory"(since 2002) :eek:

[julkki]

Extremely frustrating to watch Ford now. How does ALWAYS something come up...Changes are soon be needed but the question is what to change. One has to remember the resources. PSA against M-sport. 3-4 times more money and engineers compared to M-sport...so is the Ford on it's limits all-ready?

[COD]

Raikonen also nothing to offer...pathetic show.

Next year unemployment office for him as well

Well, he is faster than Östberg and many others on SS4, so not so bad...

[J.Lindstroem]

At the moment the Mini is faster than the Fiesta. I don't know if it has something to do with the tyre choices, but anyway. Something drastic has to be done very soon in the Ford camp. If not, i think we will have to say goodbye to the blue oval in the Wrc. Oh well maybe thats ok with new manufactors coming in...

[pete c]

JML seems to have a lot of mechanical drama that appear to be reliability issues, he deserves better.
he needs to change his luck( Volkswagen ?)

[N.O.T]

So after only two rallyes the Mini's are perfroming better than the fords... food for thought

well as far as speed goes not yet....the fact that they are close is good though because that might push BMW to throw some money in if they see they can snaych the place from ford without big efford if they are so close...

But the minis so far are braking down also so we have to see if they can sustain their reliability...

The fact they win against solberg easily is good indication also.

[N.O.T]

Campnana throws the opportunity down the window....

[N.O.T]

Tanak 10 seconds faster than hanninen ..i REALLY like what i see....lets hope he changes car soon.

[Mirek]

According to a friend on stage Juho is without rear bumper. That would explain the time lost on second split...

[wildsir]

Like Meeke's style.. He's a fighter! But OK still 0.5s per KM from factory Citroens, but not bad.

Hirvonen hit a wall on stage 4.
Hirvonen hit a wall and damage the real wheel suspension. Hirvonen said: “My mistake. I went wide and hit the wall”.
The results so far: First is Loeb followed by Ogier at only +0.9 sec. M. Hirvoven is third at +1:00.9. Forth is Dani Sordo with Mini at +1:08.0. Peter Solberg is fifth at +1:29.6. Sixth place for Kimi Raikonen, seveth is H. Solberg and eight is D. Kuipers followed by Latvala on ninth at +3:09.0.

[N.O.T]

the time difference between hanninen and tanak remains considering their experience levels on tarmac tanak delivers greatly.

[jonas_mcrae]

Ken Block slower than Latvala, no surprize there, just that Latvala's fiesta is running with 2 cylinders!! where is slow motion and second takes when you need them Ken?

[Bobcat]

Extremely frustrating to watch Ford now. How does ALWAYS something come up...Changes are soon be needed but the question is what to change. One has to remember the resources. PSA against M-sport. 3-4 times more money and engineers compared to M-sport...so is the Ford on it's limits all-ready?
http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/146268-ford-ends-m-sport-run-wrc.html

[Luis Pacheco]

Portuguese fans and some press are all excited about Armindo now.

[N.O.T]

Portuguese fans and some press is all excited about Armindo now.

bring them to greece...they are going to have a great time with our useless YES men, and we have plenty.

[Luis Pacheco]

bring them to greece...they are going to have a great time with our useless YES men, and we have plenty.

:D

[rage82]

Campnana throws the opportunity down the window....

He's is 28 sec faster on ss4 than ss1, so not so bad for his first wrc outing. Let's see the othetr stages from the second loop and how he will manege the second and third day. Give him some credit!

[N.O.T]

16 seconds now the difference between Hanninen and Tanak.

Weisj prooves he was a good choice for a VW skoda...lets hope the support continues.

[N.O.T]

He's is 28 sec faster on ss4 than ss1, so not so bad for his first wrc outing. Let's see the othetr stages from the second loop and how he will manege the second and third day. Give him some credit!

compared to the official minis i think he loses more than he should.

[N.O.T]

another interesting fact is that last year moseland stage was exactly the same as this year...

2010 time 12:06 LOEB
2011 time 12:15 LOEB

so all these guys who say that this years wrc are equal faster crawl back to your caves....

9 secs in 19 kms...0.5 slower/km after 7 events mind you....

Next year they are going to be equal which is good.

[pettersolberg29]

The fact they win against solberg easily is good indication also.

I tried to resist but I'm gonna have to bite! Firstly, Petter is within 20s of the lead Mini despite losing around 25s in an incident on SS2 - how does this constitute an 'easy win'? Secondly, you know as well as anyone that Solberg is simply not this slow a driver and surely you'll finally admit that being a privateer nowadays gets you nowhere, and it contrasts massively with the factory support Sordo and Meeke get from BMW?

Despite that, the Mini obviously has a bit of potential and hopefully it will be ready to challenge regularly by next season.

[rage82]

compared to the official minis i think he loses more than he should.

You can't compare him to official mini's. Sordo has 5 seasons in WRC already, driving the Xsara and the C4. Meeke had driven wrc cars in wrc rounds before and has a lot of experience in s2000 car as a IRC champion. Campana on the other hand is 2wd champion and if I'm not mistaken this year rally Corsica was his first in s2000 car.

[N.O.T]

You can't compare him to official mini's. Sordo has 5 seasons in WRC already, driving the Xsara and the C4. Meeke had driven wrc cars in wrc rounds before and has a lot of experience in s2000 car as a IRC champion. Campana on the other hand is 2wd champion and if I'm not mistaken this year rally Corsica was his first in s2000 car.

compared to araujo then....

[N.O.T]

Seems that Hirvonens issues are fixed....now we can see the real pace of the minis.

[Tom206wrc]

compared to the official minis i think he loses more than he should.

Give him time :rolleyes: Campana experience in 4WD is only a few events in S2000, he never drove in Germany me thinks :mark:

[N.O.T]

i think that if someone wants a future in the sport he needs to beat Araujo with ease especially on his favourite surface (campanas)

[Tom206wrc]

DAMN !!!! Time loss again for Latvala !!!! Enormous !!! More than 4 minutes behind Loeb after SS5 :s :s
Send your C.V. to VW, Jari-Mati, M-Sport seems over :rolleyes:

[Mirek]

Send your C.V. to VW, Jari-Mati, M-Sport seems over :rolleyes:

AFAIK JML in VW is one of the options...

[N.O.T]

DAMN !!!! Time loss again for Latvala !!!! Enormous !!! More than 4 minutes behind Loeb after SS5 :s :s
Send your C.V. to VW, Jari-Mati, M-Sport seems over :rolleyes:

i think they already have it now that Loeb is out....

[Tom206wrc]

Henning faster than Petter on SS5 ??? Can't believe my eyes :s

[René]

What happen with Ford at the moment??? For this Team this race doesn't look like a Rally but more at the funeral. :(

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hirvonen repairs his car....good job!

[aykutbilir]

Henning faster than Petter on SS5 ??? Can't believe my eyes :s
Yeah there is something wrong with ur eyes :) Petter 2 sec faster than his bro. :)

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting first split of Meeke on SS5 :)

[N.O.T]

Meeke continues to impress...

[Allyc85]

DAMN !!!! Time loss again for Latvala !!!! Enormous !!! More than 4 minutes behind Loeb after SS5 :s :s
Send your C.V. to VW, Jari-Mati, M-Sport seems over :rolleyes:

It would if his car would stop breaking all the time. This time a misfire.

[pettersolberg29]

Henning faster than Petter on SS5 ??? Can't believe my eyes :s

You shouldn't believe them because its not true! ;)

[N.O.T]

i think its time wilson to pull the plug on the 5 year project...losing from a guy like kuipers i think says a lot about anyones future in this sport.

[pettersolberg29]

i think its time wilson to pull the plug on the 5 year project...losing from a guy like kuipers i think says a lot about anyones future in this sport.

Haha if proof is ever needed that Wilson won't make it it's losing to Kuipers! Although, to give the Dutchman some credit he has shown good pace for a gentleman driver in Germany - much better than any previous round.

[N.O.T]

Question if latvalas problem is indeed the cyclinder...can they repair it ?? or it is not allowed to repair internal engine blick parts during a rally ?? I remeber a few years back the mitsubishi team had to change the cylinder head of one of their cars but i do now remember if they got a penalty or not.

[Cloverleaf]

I think we soon are gonna see the Finnish boys kicking the bodywork of Fiesta as Colin did in 2001 Monte Carlo.

[Tom206wrc]

Interesting first split of Meeke on SS5 :)


But not very good at the end of stage: now he's under threat of Solberg :mark:

[N.O.T]

Weisj faster than hanninen on split 1...i think we might have a 3 way battle soon.

[N.O.T]

seems that meeke slowed down half way through the stage....

[pete c]

good to hear rally radio working well, must be maintained by M-SPORT

[r199]

and this is only Weijs second rally in a S2000, only done Ypres before and got 3 overal, but the nr2 got a dq so kind a got second in his first time in a s2000

[pantealex]

Although, to give the Dutchman some credit he has shown good pace for a gentleman driver in Germany
"gentleman driver"? Kuipers is born 23.11.1985

[N.O.T]

Weisj has a very flamboyant style which the WRC needs. I would like to see him on gravel though....one trick ponies do not go far.

[N.O.T]

"gentleman driver"? Kuipers is born 23.11.1985

i think he ment the style of driving not the age....

[r199]

Ok haha lets call Kuipers a gentleboy driver from now :D :D :D ;)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Never seen Kuipers in an interview...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Send your C.V. to VW, Jari-Mati, M-Sport seems over :rolleyes:

Why would VW take JML?

[N.O.T]

to stop him go to Le mans....

[Mirek]

Weisj faster than hanninen on split 1...i think we might have a 3 way battle soon.

I think that Juho might have some problems after the off on previous stage because now he is on same pace as Gassner which doesn't comply with first loop at all...

[I am evil Homer]

Indeed...why not take Neuville, Hannien and Weijs. No more of a gamble than J-ML right now

[Mintexmemory]

Haha if proof is ever needed that Wilson won't make it it's losing to Kuipers! Although, to give the Dutchman some credit he has shown good pace for a gentleman driver in Germany - much better than any previous round.

Presumably because of his S2000 experience on the same stages last year

[focus206]

Indeed, Weijs Jr is doing a very good work :)

[Gregor-y]

Question if latvalas problem is indeed the cyclinder...can they repair it ?? or it is not allowed to repair internal engine blick parts during a rally ?? I remeber a few years back the mitsubishi team had to change the cylinder head of one of their cars but i do now remember if they got a penalty or not.
It would depend on what is wrong with the cylinder. If it's a matter of the spark plug that's easy. If it's a coil there's either a simple mechanical fix or a more complicated electronic one to make sure it's firing the plug. If it's a piston ring or bearing that's going to take time or not be possible to fix. I know gearboxes and suspension bits are easy to add and remove, but tearing into a motor?

And is a cylinder head considered part of the motor if it has to be replaced? I would think it could be done without too much drama if it was allowed.

[Tom206wrc]

Ouch !!!! Not a good time from Campana in SS5 though(almost 2 minutes off Loeb) :s

[r199]

And in the Netherlands thay only have tarmac rally's

[Mintexmemory]

Indeed...why not take Neuville, Hannien and Weijs. No more of a gamble than J-ML right now

Actually JML is proven WRC winner and clearly the only driver with the pace to match Ogier on the loose, Hanninen might make a good No 2 to JML but Neuville and Weijs have a long way to go to be considered as all-round choices. Both are currently behind Tanak and Haydon Paddon in the ratings imvho

[N.O.T]

Indeed...why not take Neuville, Hannien and Weijs. No more of a gamble than J-ML right now

currently latvala in a proper wrc car beats these 3 with a blindfold and 2 hands and 1 leg tied behind his head....

JML is a safe bet for VW, to me is very close to Ogier as far as speed goes and i must say his mistakes are not that often this year.

[r199]

And what about Abbring for VW now 3rd overall in the france gravel championschip in a front wheel drive car beating alot of 4wd, and weijs is just as fast

[N.O.T]

It would depend on what is wrong with the cylinder. If it's a matter of the spark plug that's easy. If it's a coil there's either a simple mechanical fix or a more complicated electronic one to make sure it's firing the plug. If it's a piston ring or bearing that's going to take time or not be possible to fix. I know gearboxes and suspension bits are easy to add and remove, but tearing into a motor?

And is a cylinder head considered part of the motor if it has to be replaced? I would think it could be done without too much drama if it was allowed.

the question remains...are they allowed to fix internal engine block things without a penalty ??

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ok NOT :)

[N.O.T]

And what about Abbring for VW now 3rd overall in the france gravel championschip in a front wheel drive car beating alot of 4wd, and weijs is just as fast

please bare in mind that VW has as a goal to win rallies and championships not to waste money or hire 5 year plan miracle boys....so please use these facts before popping the first name that comes to your head....

No1 driver should be someone who is a proved winner...No2 someone who has the potential to win in 2 years and maybe then 1-2 cars to drivers who need to prove a lot of things before advancing.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

Hirvonen is driving well if there is still damage in his car.

[Gregor-y]

the question remains...are they allowed to fix internal engine block things without a penalty ??
I don't know, but there's no guarantee that's the problem, is there? 'Engine' and 'cylinder' could mean just about anything. 'Spun bearing,' 'detonation' or 'no spark' would be more specific, but I don't think we've heard anything this definite.

[r199]

loeb is the only proved winner richt now, so think next year he should drive for Citroen Ford Vw and Mini, so thay all have a chance to become world champion

[alleskids]

is Hanninen out?

edit: his time after splits he shoed be 19th :(
edit 2: Hanninen has 13.44 on splits, Weijs 13.42 and Riedeman 14.00. but in eWRC standings Riedeman has also 13.42. which is the right standing?

[N.O.T]

Loeb building on a lead... Ogier i think should accept his fate or take risks and jeopardise the second palce in this years championship.

[r199]

no Alleskids, 2 seconden achter hans op ss5

[xavier]

another interesting fact is that last year moseland stage was exactly the same as this year...

2010 time 12:06 LOEB
2011 time 12:15 LOEB

so all these guys who say that this years wrc are equal faster crawl back to your caves....

9 secs in 19 kms...0.5 slower/km after 7 events mind you....

Next year they are going to be equal which is good.

2010 2nd pass: Sordo:12:01.3, Loeb: 12:02.0
2011 2nd pass: Loeb: 12:01.9

I don't remember if there were rain last year, but this morning, I suspect it was humid.

[N.O.T]

is Hanninen out?

he finished stage 5 5 seconds slower than Tanak and 2 behind Wiesj

[N.O.T]

2010 2nd pass: Sordo:12:01.3, Loeb: 12:02.0
2011 2nd pass: Loeb: 12:01.9

OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. "Not so bad. But I missed junction and lost time." ;)

[Juha_Koo]

JML swearing a little during interview, very rare. Well, also laughing too, I bet he is totally fed up with all this sh*t.

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

If there is internal engine failure, that will easily destroy whole engine...let´s hope that problem is "small" thing.

[Tom206wrc]

6'10 is the gap between Loeb and Latvala after leg one...can you imagine ??? ;(

[logic]

16 seconds now the difference between Hanninen and Tanak.

Weisj prooves he was a good choice for a VW skoda...lets hope the support continues.

The clear choice for VW would be Juho Hanninen (sp)
As a No2 i would go with solberg

[N.O.T]

2010 2nd pass: Sordo:12:01.3, Loeb: 12:02.0
2011 2nd pass: Loeb: 12:01.9

I don't remember if there were rain last year, but this morning, I suspect it was humid.

quote from 2010

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Good day. Little mistake in this stage, I went off on juction a stalled engine little."

so i guess the difference would be about the same as 1st pass...

[T.Maanteiden kuningas]

JML swearing a little during interview, very rare. Well, also laughing too, I bet he is totally fed up with all this sh*t.

Gronholm complaining about 307. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRPqVkGC-4w)

[Tom206wrc]

What battle between Solberg H and Räikkönen :p :

[Mintexmemory]

2010 2nd pass: Sordo:12:01.3, Loeb: 12:02.0
2011 2nd pass: Loeb: 12:01.9

I don't remember if there were rain last year, but this morning, I suspect it was humid.

Dry as a bone and very hot last year, I got sunburned on the terraces above Piesport :cool:

[garais22]

Where is Kaur?

[Tom206wrc]

Where's Meeke on SS6 :confused:

[Mintexmemory]

6'10 is the gap between Loeb and Latvala after leg one...can you imagine ??? ;(

Sorry, your point is? The superiority of adequately funded French Engineering over under-funded, badly managed British Engineering is clear for all to see. But as to the relative merits of JML and Big Frog.. well I suspect he would be a tougher opponent than Ogier in a Factory DS3

[N.O.T]

Sorry, your point is? The superiority of adequately funded French Engineering over under-funded, badly managed British Engineering is clear for all to see. But as to the relative merits of JML and Big Frog.. well I suspect he would be a tougher opponent than Ogier in a Factory DS3

i think the hundred years war played tricks on you.....not everything people say have a nationalistic touch to them.

[N.O.T]

the battle of meeke and solberg is going to be interesting tommorow

[Tom206wrc]

Sorry, your point is? The superiority of adequately funded French Engineering over under-funded, badly managed British Engineering is clear for all to see. But as to the relative merits of JML and Big Frog.. well I suspect he would be a tougher opponent than Ogier in a Factory DS3




I was only underlining how unlucky JML was...nothing to do with chauvinism :rolleyes:

[ZequeArgentina]

What battle between Solberg H and Räikkönen :p :

And Kuipers also!

[focus206]

Kuipers is faster than I thought... at least in Germany.

[Tom206wrc]

Burkart stopped on stage(only first split) :confused:

[r199]

second split for Burkart, lost more than 12 minutes

[Mintexmemory]

I was only underlining how unlucky JML was...nothing to do with chauvinism :rolleyes:

My apologies for the way in which my post was interpreted, I didn't think you were being chauvanistic I just didn't get what it was that I was supposed to imagine.
There is a saying that all top competitors make their own luck, I agree with you, I don't think there's anything JML can do in the current situation to improve his - and VW is still a long way off!

[Tom206wrc]

Crugnola best time in SS5 almost 3 minutes ahead of Loeb !!! The Fiesta R2 works infinetely better than the Fiesta WRC :D

[Mirek]

Juho broke wheel :(

[Miika]

What a glorious day, ffs.

[jonas_mcrae]

I dont see Meeke after SS5, anyone knows what happened?

[Mintexmemory]

What a glorious day, ffs.

Now you know what it feels like to be a British Rally fan!!! ;-)

[Tom206wrc]

By the way: I don't understand why Al Attiyah is running a Ford Fiesta whereas he seems to be tightly linked to VW ??? :confused:

[bluuford]

Juho broke wheel :(

Oh nooo... is he able to reach the finish? It was very nice battle today so far!

[Mirek]

And Gassner same as Juho...

[Mintexmemory]

I dont see Meeke after SS5, anyone knows what happened?

Same time as Sordo, timing gone to pot, so still ahead of Petter and now with better road conditions on first run

[r199]

@ Tom,

Nasser is gone bye VW couse thay stoped the Dakar,

[Mintexmemory]

Oh nooo... is he able to reach the finish? It was very nice battle today so far!

Yes he did but that gives Ott the upper hand i.e. he doesn't have to drive like a loony tomorrow, just mildly psychotic!

[Luis Pacheco]

By the way: I don't understand why Al Attiyah is running a Ford Fiesta whereas he seems to be tightly linked to VW ??? :confused:

The link with VW is past.

[Bobcat]

good to hear rally radio working well, must be maintained by M-SPORT Some more info?

[N.O.T]

where is weisj ??? he finished the stage but i cannot see him in any results....

[pete c]

he finished stage but has torn the rear wheel off so he can not repair it.
he can not drive it on the road like that so he will have to super rally.
will incur time penalty

[bluuford]

Yes he did but that gives Ott the upper hand i.e. he doesn't have to drive like a loony tomorrow, just mildly psychotic!

I mean, is he able to reach to the service?

Edit: Sad.. that means 10 minutes penalties :-(

[Miika]

Now you know what it feels like to be a British Rally fan!!! ;-)

The Fords going all over the scenery I can understand but Juho following their example, a bit too much for one day.

[Mintexmemory]

I mean, is he able to reach to the service?

Edit: Sad.. that means 10 minutes penalties :-(
Sad indeed, did he not have an on board spare or was the hub torn off?

[r199]

bothe cars hub torn off

[N.O.T]

damn stupid news about hanninen and weisj...i do not like them.

[Tom206wrc]

The Fords going all over the scenery I can understand but Juho following their example, a bit too much for one day.



And also not a good psycological situation for Hänninen one week before the Barum Rally :mark:

[mousti]

Me either! :(

[Tom206wrc]

Also a good duel between Burri Jr and de Winkel in R3 class :) but both are behind many Fiestas that are R2s :eek:

[Mintexmemory]

bothe cars hub torn off

Damn and blast, anyway, they still have much to drive for tomorrow, HWjr for the times and Juho can still get good points given the previously noted ability of SWRC competitors to cull themselves

[focus206]

Too bad for Weijs Jr, but since he can continue the rally, he can shows to VW some good times again :)

[pantealex]

SWRC
Sousa is 8 and Prokop 9 after friday
It´s still looking good for Hänninen because he was 33p ahead of Tänak before Germany

[N.O.T]

the megane n4 doesn't show much either....

[Mintexmemory]

SWRC
Sousa is 8 and Prokop 9 after friday
It´s still looking good for Hänninen because he was 33p ahead of Tänak before Germany

Expect that to be less than 15points on Sunday afternoon. Sets the rest of the season up brilliantly with the further 2 tarmac rallies to come

[Bobcat]

Citroen's tyre tactics stun rivals in Germany - WRC news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93832)

[Mirek]

Weijs is ok, don't mix him with Gassner ;)