Got Mail Again - What say you all

[Roamy]

If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished. The following is in simple language that
Everyone can understand. Not the gibberish that our government keeps telling
People. Please read this carefully and make sure you keep this message going.
This needs to be emailed to everyone in the USA .....
OBAMA'S COLLEGE CLASSMATE SPEAKS OUT

By Wayne Allyn Root , June 6th, 2010
Barack Hussien Obama is no fool. He is not incompetent.
To the contrary, he is brilliant. He knows exactly what he's doing.
He is purposely overwhelming the U.S. Economy to create systemic failure,
Economic crisis and social chaos -- thereby destroying capitalism and
Our country from within.
Barack Hussien Obama was my college classmate

( Columbia University , class of '83).
He is a devout Muslim do not be fooled.
Look at his Czars...anti-business..anti- American.
As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Barack Hussien Obama is
Following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University .....
They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system
With government spending and entitlement demands.
Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming.
Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn
The United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority
That desperately needs government for survival ... And can be counted
On to always vote for bigger government.
Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it.
Universal health care . The health care bill had very little to do with health
Care. It had everything to do with unionizing millions of hospital and
Health care workers, as well as adding 15,000 to 20,000 new IRS agents (who will join government employee unions).
Obama doesn't care that giving free health care to 30 million Americans
Will add trillions to the national debt.
What he does care about is that it cements the dependence of those 30 million voters to Democrats and big government .
Who but a socialist revolutionary would pass this reckless spending bill
In the middle of a depression?
Cap and trade. Like health care legislation having nothing to do with
Health care, cap and trade has nothing to do with global warming.
It has everything to do with redistribution of income, government control
Of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors.
Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns
NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants.
They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to
Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power.
The bonus is that all the new taxes on Americans with bigger cars,
Bigger homes and businesses helps Obama "spread the wealth around."
Make Puerto Rico a state. Why? Who's asking for a 51st state?
Who's asking for millions of new welfare recipients and government
Entitlement addicts in the middle of a depression?
Certainly not American taxpayers.
But this has been Barack Hussien Obama's plan all along.
His goal is to add two new Democrat senators, five Democrat congressman and a million loyal Democratic voters who are dependent on big government.
Legalize 12 million illegal Mexican immigrants.
Just giving these 12 million potential new citizens free health care alone could overwhelm the system and bankrupt America .
But it adds 12 million reliable new Democrat voters who can be counted
On to support big government.
Add another few trillion dollars in welfare, aid to dependent children,
food stamps, free medical, education, tax credits for the poor, and
eventually Social Security ...
Stimulus and bailouts. Where did all that money go?
It went to Democrat contributors, organizations (ACORN), and unions -- including billions of dollars to save or create jobs of government employees across the country.
It went to save GM and Chrysler so that their employees could
keep paying union dues.
It went to AIG so that Goldman Sachs could be bailed out
(after giving Obama almost $1 million in contributions).
A staggering $125 billion went to teachers (thereby protecting their union dues).
All those public employees will vote loyally Democrat to protect their
bloated salaries and pensions that are bankrupting America ...
The country goes broke, future generations face a bleak future, but Obama, the Democrat Party, government, and the unions grow more powerful.
The ends justify the means.
Raise taxes on small business owners, high-income earners, and job
creators. Put the entire burden on only the top 20 percent of taxpayers,
redistribute the income, punish success, and reward those who did
nothing to deserve it (except vote for Obama).
Reagan wanted to dramatically cut taxes in order to starve the government. Barack Obama wants to dramatically raise taxes to starve his political opposition. With the acts outlined above, Barack Hussien Obama and his regime have created a vast and rapidly expanding constituency of voters dependent on big government; a vast privileged class of public employees who work for big government; and a government dedicated to destroying capitalism and installing themselves as socialist rulers by overwhelming the
system.
Add it up and you've got the perfect Marxist scheme -- all devised by
my Columbia University college classmate Barack Hussien Obama
using the Cloward and Piven Plan ...
"Correctly attributed" says snopes!
snopes.com: Obama's Agenda: Overwhelm the System (http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp)

[Eki]

And that is bad because...?

[Dave B]

Whereas if Pain wins.... :s

Shudder.

[Dave B]

Predictive text didn't recognise "Palin". And yet it's almost like it *knows*...

[ArrowsFA1]

GLENN: Hang on just a second. You were actual — did you have any classes with Barack Obama?
ROOT: Well, I’m sure I did. I just never knew him. We were both political science majors at the same college, Columbia University, graduated in the class of ’83. So I guarantee you we were sitting in the same classes together but I did not know him.
Interview with Presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root (http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/196/7027/)

Clearly Root knows Glenn Beck rather better. In fact the two of them get on very well. Surprise, surprise :p :

Anyone would think there's a right-wing conspiracy out to get Obama :eek:

[Gregor-y]

I heard the same kind of talk on the radio when I drove cross country last week. It's a common practice to take your worst characteristics and project them to your opponent. Look who's biggest stumbling clause on the debt crisis, who's trying to push social engineering with abortion laws, restricting education, and trying to enforce their religious beliefs upon the rest of the country.

[Eki]

Look who's biggest stumbling clause on the debt crisis, who's trying to push social engineering with abortion laws, restricting education, and trying to enforce their religious beliefs upon the rest of the country.
True. It's funny how at the same time they blame Obama for being a devout Muslim. The US religious right has more in common with devout Muslims than with the Democrats; anti-abortion, anti-gay rights, anti-lot of things...

BTW, I don't believe Obama is a devout Muslim until I see Michelle wearing a burkha.

[Eki]

Paul Krugman has a good article in the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/opinion/15krugman.html?_r=2&ref=paulkrugman

[Bob Riebe]

Whereas if Pain wins.... :s

Shudder.Palin has what to do with this?
Bozo the clown looks brilliant compared to Obama, and he is incompetent, regardless of what the writings narrow minded author has to say.

I would say that just as easily the author is actually on Obama's side. Take the truth and present it in a paranoid, boisterous manner and it sounds like gibberish and is ignored

[harvick#1]

I really didnt think anyone could've been worse than Bush, boy were I wrong, what has Obama actually done positive since hes been in office??? gas prices are still 4 bucks a gallon, unemployment sky high, 3 wars, millions upon millions sent to countries that hate us. still a Free trade act that sends factory jobs overseas or to Mexico for cheap labor.

since oil is still speculated at almost 100/barrel, we should sell wheat and corn at 100/barrel to the OPEC countries that cant grow it to feel our pain.

[Oceacimbize]

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[Captain VXR]

The Dems used massive public spending to get out of the Great Depression. Obama wants to do the same.
Universal healthcare does not mean the USA will become a socialist country, or is every single political party in the UK socialist?

[Captain VXR]

Good question beach tent camping (http://beachtentcamping.info/)

Obvious spam is obvious.

[Bob Riebe]

The Dems used massive public spending to get out of the Great Depression. Obama wants to do the same.
Universal healthcare does not mean the USA will become a socialist country, or is every single political party in the UK socialist?The Democrats used WW II to get out of the depression, the massive public spending did squat except leave some nice stone and log buildings.

[Rollo]

If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished. The following is in simple language that
Everyone can understand. Not the gibberish that our government keeps telling
People. Please read this carefully and make sure you keep this message going.
This needs to be emailed to everyone in the USA .....

Go on. Elect a Republican and tell me what differences will actually occur?


Of the economy and a criminal payoff to Obama's biggest contributors.
Those powerful and wealthy unions and contributors (like GE, which owns
NBC, MSNBC and CNBC) can then be counted on to support everything Obama wants.
They will kick-back hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions to
Obama and the Democratic Party to keep them in power.

How is this different to the "hundreds of millions of dollars in contributions" made by News Corp to the Republican Party? Why do you think that Glenn Beck and Wayne Allyn Root would make comments the way they do? What "news" network was the "Glenn Beck" show on again?

You seem to be labouring under the impression that there is some sort of major difference between the Republicans and Democrats, when in reality they're both like a bunch of drunk mad uncles yelling at each other in the attic.


If he is re-elected in 2012, the US is finished.

Good. Then China will rightfully claim what they own once they call in the liquidators. If it's all the same, it should have been done back in 1859 when Norton I made his decree:

It is represented to us that the universal suffrage, as now existing through the Union, is abused; that fraud and corruption prevent a fair and proper expression of the public voice; that open violation of the laws are constantly occurring, caused by mobs, parties, factions and undue influence of political sects; that the citizen has not that protection of person and property which he is entitled to by paying his pro rata of the expense of Government--in consequence of which, WE do hereby abolish Congress, and it is therefore abolished; and WE order and desire the representatives of all parties interested to appear at the Musical Hall of this city on the first of February next, and then and there take the most effective steps to remedy the evil complained of.
- Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico, October 1859.

[N. Jones]

C'mon people, it's those who are wealthy versus those who are not. Whether they are republicans or democrats does not matter.

If things stay they way they are I predict in five to ten years we will see an Egypt-like protest in the US.

[race aficionado]

C'mon people, it's those who are wealthy versus those who are not. Whether they are republicans or democrats does not matter.

If things stay they way they are I predict in five to ten years we will see an Egypt-like protest in the US.

When that happens, it will be a great day!
:s mokin:

But wait . . . why not NOW??? . . . . of course I know the answer: complacency and of course, there has to be more crap hitting the fan to awaken up some people.

[555-04Q2]

If Obama is so bad, why did you Americans vote him in?

[race aficionado]

If Obama is so bad, why did you Americans vote him in?

Well, this is a VERY polarized country when it comes to Political party alliances.

As many of us voted for President Obama - almost as many voted against him and with the present economic and social conditions that basically suck, it is easy to go after who's leading the country because it is easier to blame him for it.

They all play politics at the people's expense.

Just as the founding fathers planned for. :dozey:

To the streets dam it! :s mokin:

[Bob Riebe]

C'mon people, it's those who are wealthy versus those who are not. Whether they are republicans or democrats does not matter.

If things stay they way they are I predict in five to ten years we will see an Egypt-like protest in the US.No it is the Democrats playing divide and separate, their favorite political ploy.

The overwhelming majority do not give a damn about other private citizens income; therefore the Dem. start casting about lies and damned lies to get class warfare. Screws the country but keeps them elected.

[Gregor-y]

Or it's Republicans playing to racist and religious fears to keep the poor divided. It keeps them winning elections as well. Simple arguments are easy to make.

[N. Jones]

when that happens, it will be a great day!
:s mokin:

But wait . . . Why not now??? . . . . Of course i know the answer: Complacency and of course, there has to be more crap hitting the fan to awaken up some people.

exactly.

[Bob Riebe]

Or it's Republicans playing to racist and religious fears to keep the poor divided. It keeps them winning elections as well. Simple arguments are easy to make.No it is not. Democrat speeches and party rhetoric back up what I say. False rhetoric such as yours seems to be the norm of the Democratic party line.
Of course if divide and separate is your intent, it makes sense.

[Eki]

To the streets dam it! :s mokin:
Damn! If that happens I might have to admit that Bob was right saying Americans need their guns to form a militia against the government.

[Roamy]

GUESS WHICH ONE.......
Even if you aren't a sports fan this is very interesting!

NFL OR THE NBA

36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault
71 repeat 71
cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
and
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
in the last year


Can
you guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL
?


Give up yet?










Neither,
it's the 535 members of the
United States Congress

The same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.

[555-04Q2]

GUESS WHICH ONE.......
Even if you aren't a sports fan this is very interesting!

NFL OR THE NBA

36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault
71 repeat 71
cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
and
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
in the last year


Can
you guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL
?


Give up yet?










Neither,
it's the 535 members of the
United States Congress

The same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.

Those stats have got nothing on our monkeys. Half of ours are murderers! Govern se gat!

[Jag_Warrior]

Got Mail Again - What say you all

What I say is you probably need to up the settings on your spam filter. Back during the CART vs. IRL Civil War, some IRL fans from the Speedvision forum would send me gay porn pictures from time to time. I found that the best way to keep things out of ones inbox, that are silly, hyperbolic and/or a complete waste of time, is to up those spam settings! That's how I deal with foolishness and "mail" problems anyway.

Hope that helps! :wave:

[Rollo]

GUESS WHICH ONE.......
Even if you aren't a sports fan this is very interesting!

NFL OR THE NBA

36 have been accused of spousal abuse

7 have been arrested for fraud

19 have been accused of writing bad checks

117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses

3 have done time for assault
71 repeat 71
cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
8 have been arrested for shoplifting

21 currently are defendants in lawsuits,
and
84 have been arrested for drunk driving
in the last year


Can
you guess which organization this is?
NBA Or NFL
?


Give up yet?










Neither,
it's the 535 members of the
United States Congress

The same group of Idiots that crank out
hundreds of new laws each year
designed to keep the rest of us in line.

You're not selling the United States very well are you?

If the above is true then how many would failt the character tests for politicians in the Australian Parliament under sections 44 and 45 of the Australian Constitution?
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Constitution - Chapter 1 part IV (http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/par4cha1.htm)

Furthermore, if you don't hold such a standard up to public scruitiny then by inference it either shows that the United States Constitution is faulty or the people of the United States are, or both.

[Roamy]

You're not selling the United States very well are you?

If the above is true then how many would failt the character tests for politicians in the Australian Parliament under sections 44 and 45 of the Australian Constitution?
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Constitution - Chapter 1 part IV (http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/par4cha1.htm)

Furthermore, if you don't hold such a standard up to public scruitiny then by inference it either shows that the United States Constitution is faulty or the people of the United States are, or both.

our politicians are disgusting, disgraceful, unethical and in most cases POS's. The truth is what the truth is. Unfortunately we may be too far gone to ever even gut this Fu___King mess and but some strict controls. Is greed destroying the GOP - maybe it is. Can we destroy capitalism to the point where it will need to be controlled - We seem to be heading down that road.

[Rollo]

Can we destroy capitalism to the point where it will need to be controlled - We seem to be heading down that road.

So you're in favour of it not being controlled at all?

It was unregulated greed with led to the Financial Crisis starting in 2007, the Great Depression starting 1929, the Panic of 1873, the Depression of 1882 and of 1893 which ultimately led to the creation of the Fed itself.
Capitalism does need regulation because as a system like any other system if left unregulated is subject to damage through unregulated greed.

Also, a lack of regulation caused the British Parliament expenses scandal and currently the "phone hacking" scandal within News International and presumably other newspapers.

All that the above proves is that there is in principle no difference between the corruption of government and the corruption of business, but for some reason you choose to deliberately ignore the corruption of business.
Human nature is such that "everyone from the lowliest peasant, to kings and princes are motivated by self-interest"; I personally don't see a distinction for that capacity to be negated either in government or private enterprise.

[Bob Riebe]

You're not selling the United States very well are you?

If the above is true then how many would failt the character tests for politicians in the Australian Parliament under sections 44 and 45 of the Australian Constitution?
Parliament of Australia: Senate: Constitution - Chapter 1 part IV (http://www.aph.gov.au/senate/general/constitution/par4cha1.htm)

Furthermore, if you don't hold such a standard up to public scruitiny then by inference it either shows that the United States Constitution is faulty or the people of the United States are, or both.

How could it show that the Constitution is faulty?

[Bob Riebe]

our politicians are disgusting, disgraceful, unethical and in most cases POS's. The truth is what the truth is. Unfortunately we may be too far gone to ever even gut this Fu___King mess and but some strict controls. Is greed destroying the GOP - maybe it is. Can we destroy capitalism to the point where it will need to be controlled - We seem to be heading down that road.That is the biggest crock-of-sh-t on fixing the U.S. offered yet.

Let's see, the politicians are lying pieces of sh-t, but you want them to control the private business section of the country also.
That reminds me of the fellow playing the spokesman for the Chinese gov. on a Saturday Night Live sketch. It wants the gov. to do to the business men what the Chinese gov. spokesman wanted Obama to do to him in that sketch.
Brilliant.

[Bob Riebe]

All that the above proves is that there is in principle no difference between the corruption of government and the corruption of business,There is a enormous difference between gov. corruption and private corruption. Anyone who cannot see that deserves what-ever misery his/her gov. bestows upon him/her.

[Rollo]

How could it show that the Constitution is faulty?

Because its product is an environment of grift; by its fruits it shall be known.

[Rollo]

There is a enormous difference between gov. corruption and private corruption. Anyone who cannot see that deserves what-ever misery his/her gov. bestows upon him/her.

In a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve. Nice to see that you agree with me that you deserve your government then.

[Bob Riebe]

In a Democracy, the people get the government they deserve. Nice to see that you agree with me that you deserve your government then.Yes this country does, and if they keep electing people like Obama and Bush, or nominating socialist wannabes, I hope the U.S. does end up like Greece only with class attacking class, as the Dem. seem to be pushing for.

[Bob Riebe]

Because its product is an environment of grift; by its fruits it shall be known.That makes no sense, and is asinine at face value.
If you have been following U.S. politics at all, you would know that ignoring what the Constitution says is what all three parta of U.S. gov. especially the courts, are engaging in.

That second amendment may end-up, foretelling the future yet.

[Roamy]

That is the biggest crock-of-sh-t on fixing the U.S. offered yet.

Let's see, the politicians are lying pieces of sh-t, but you want them to control the private business section of the country also.
That reminds me of the fellow playing the spokesman for the Chinese gov. on a Saturday Night Live sketch. It wants the gov. to do to the business men what the Chinese gov. spokesman wanted Obama to do to him in that sketch.
Brilliant.

I don't think you got the point Bob, I want most of the people in congress removed. Actually I would like to restrict the size considerably- I would like all their dealing transparent and published. No I don't want the gov to contol private enterprise but with that being said their has to be some restriction on blatant greed by some corps. Also there has to be development to increase the middle class and avoid the wealthy/poor scenario.
The question is how?? We are destroying this country and I don't see much movement from the population to save it. Where is the outrage?? How could many of our politicians ever receive even 30% of the vote. Time for a 3rd party and a severe ass kicking of politicians

[Rollo]

No I don't want the gov to contol private enterprise but with that being said their has to be some restriction on blatant greed by some corps.

How about the government exerting some control over how much tax private enterprise pays?

The Australian Tax Year starts on July 1st, so for me that means that it's tax time again and I'm looking back through dividend statements to make sure everything has been reported. I had a look through some annual reports that came with some US dividend statements and found this (I have shares in more than just these four mind you):

Exxon Mobil - $19.124bn profit - Tax Paid: $0 - Received a Rebate of $156m
Effective Tax Rate: -0.8%

Bank of America - $4.389bn profit - Tax Paid: $0 - Received a Rebate of $1.9bn
Effective Tax Rate: -43.2%

General Electric - $5.206bn profit - Tax Paid: $0 - Received a Rebate of $820m
Effective Tax Rate: -15.7%

Chevron - $9.995bn profit - Tax Paid: $0 - Received a Rebate of $19m
Effective Tax Rate: -0.1%

If the top marginal tax rate is 35% at US Federal level, then this means that the amount of tax unpaid by just these four companies amounts to $13,538,233,334.

That $13,538,233,334 if it isn't paid by the companies, must be borne by someone else. If that's just four companies and is typical across the Fortune 500, then that would work out to just over a Trillion Dollars in unpaid tax. If applied up and down Wall St and across the United States, then I bet that the Government's books would be in Surplus.


The question is how??

Jail. Give the IRS proper authority to convict people for what amounts to Grand Larceny.

If Private Companies aren't paying anything near the amount of tax that they should, then that means that the burden of tax invariably falls on someone else... YOU. It's all very well to be outraged by welfare cheats, but how come no-one is outraged by cheats who happen to fund political parties?