Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2012

[Tom206wrc]

Hirvonen lost a lot :s

[danon]

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[danon]

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[N.O.T]

just the superscepial now... It is hard to bet against Loeb but i think the rest 2 places are going to be hard faught between Sordo-Solberg and Hirvonen.

[Tom206wrc]

And Delecour again :)

[dimviii]

just the superscepial now... It is hard to bet against Loeb but i think the rest 2 places are going to be hard faught between Sordo-Solberg and Hirvonen.

its only 5,16km Nothing is going to change without big drama.

[Tom206wrc]

Good !!! Campana :)

[dimviii]

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/351691mediummagasin1.jpg

[Roy]

Campana faster then Sordo. Great! I didn't expect Campana was that fast he had showed this weekend.

[Tom206wrc]

http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/351691mediummagasin1.jpg



What ???? :laugh:

[tolis]

I don't see Kosciuszko in SS16.... Does that mean that Cook wins the PWRC now? :D

[N.O.T]

its only 5,16km Nothing is going to change without big drama.

i mean for the superspecial points not the rally...

[Tom206wrc]

Battle Prokop vs Araujo to expect tomorrow ;)

[Iskald]

just the superscepial now... It is hard to bet against Loeb but i think the rest 2 places are going to be hard faught between Sordo-Solberg and Hirvonen.

Looking forward to the supersceptical...

[igi]

Very happy for Dani. Second even after troubles on first day.
Loeb is unbelivable. No dramas on whole rally, and super fast. Deserved win if something unthinkable doesn't happen tommorow.

[N.O.T]

LOL...

isn't dyslexia a b**** ?

[Tom206wrc]

This time(SS17) Wilslow faster than Tänak :confused:

[N.O.T]

This time(SS17) Wilslow faster than Tänak :confused:

Tanak just drive through... not even cruise mode.

[EightGear]

I love Paulo Nobre.

[Roy]

This time(SS17) Wilslow faster than Tänak :confused:

About pace of Tänak:
https://twitter.com/#!/maxrally/status/160810566028505089

[N.O.T]

WILSON M. / MARTIN S. "Really fun. Atmosphere, fires, peoples everywhere. Classic Monte Carlo."

With his pace i bet he could remember every spectators face he passed....

[logic]

Need more drivers with a personality like Paulo Nobre.

[N.O.T]

Need more drivers with a personality like Paulo Nobre.

indeed... i always visit rallies to see personalities... its a pity we have people like Loeb/Hirvonen/Sordo in the sport...

we need more nobody clowns trying to drive and giving fun interviews...

[tolis]

Finally Kosciuszko finished! :)

[Wasted Talent]

I don't see Kosciuszko in SS16.... Does that mean that Cook wins the PWRC now? :D

Very slow time for SS16 now appeared - nearly 7 mins slower than Petter. Obviously major problem in SS15 not fixed before SS16.

Should still be 60 mins in front of Louise if he keeps it going......

WT

[A.F.F.]

What do you think about the spectators at Monte? I'm pretty amazed of the locations they are allowed to stand, that could never happen in Finland.

[igi]

Did anybody forced Tänak to drive slow? Campana was in same position, nobody around, and set great time...

[dimviii]

i mean for the superspecial points not the rally...

ok. Didn t told me about my new avatar.Don t you like?

[dimviii]

What do you think about the spectators at Monte? I'm pretty amazed of the locations they are allowed to stand, that could never happen in Finland.

same in Greece.It discussed also at Greek forums the dangerous position of spectators

[tolis]

ok. Didn t told me about my new avatar.Don t you like?
Who is he? :D

[N.O.T]

What do you think about the spectators at Monte? I'm pretty amazed of the locations they are allowed to stand, that could never happen in Finland.

I do not have a problem

I am a HUGE fan of natural selection...we just need more rallies in the area.

Are there any marshals in the stages ??

[A.F.F.]

I do not have a problem

I am a HUGE fan of natural selection...we just need more rallies in the area.

Are there any marshals in the stages ??

Well, I can't say I don't favour Darwinism at some levels but in rallyes, it could end a promising rally career so that's the problem for me.

[dimviii]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f1ALrB64Qog#

[mousti]

Watch the condroz, some think we are still in the 80's ...

[Josti]

No drivers complaint, only compliments about the spectators.

The speeds aren't that high as in Finland, especially not on this stage.

[dimviii]

Who is he? :D

famous singer at the ''Sick dogs'' band

[N.O.T]

No drivers complaint, only compliments about the spectators.

The speeds aren't that high as in Finland, especially not on this stage.

above 40 km/hr the possibility of a pedestrian to survive is below 10%

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6737136979_6a86119696_z.jpg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/embed/i4v75aDNVTs

[dimviii]

nice photos
Elfago Sport - Photos de Sports Auto (http://www.wix.com/elfagosport/photos-rallye#!championnat-du-monde-2012)

[N.O.T]

ok. Didn t told me about my new avatar.Don t you like?

the avatar is nice....your previous avatar led the guy in it out of the sport...lets hope we get this lucky with this one as well.

[tolis]

@ Greek members: Greek TV (ET1) will show highlights in 1 hour. (00.30)

[Barreis]

Delacour is the man of the rally.

[logic]

I would give Novokov theman of the rally to be honest

[Barreis]

For what, didn't crashed?!

[dimviii]

I would give Novokov theman of the rally to be honest

Can t say that is ''the man of rally'' but we saw constinency at difficult circumstances,something he hasn t used to show.Definetely an improvement.

[RobertS]

Latvala was the man of the ss.2. ;)

[Andre Oliveira]

Maybe Ogier was the man of the rally.

[dimviii]

the avatar is nice....your previous avatar led the guy in it out of the sport...lets hope we get this lucky with this one as well.


http://www.forum-rallye.com/public/style_emoticons/default/malcolm.png

[mousti]

PG Andersson for man of the rally!

[Coach 2]

I would give Novokov theman of the rally to be honest

If one puts his achievements in perspective, this result is really a big breakthrough.

[bluuford]

If one puts his achievements in perspective, this result is really a big breakthrough.
Cook is the woman of the rally. Rally MC final time will be over 7 hours!

[Andre Oliveira]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KMjy1t2UdO0#!

[bluuford]

He drove to the stage end to use their fire extinguishers?

[RAS007]

Delacour is the man of the rally.

+100

[N.O.T]

I like ES coverage more and more each day...

Great footage of the crazy fans and their defiance of their lives....

[dimviii]

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[dimviii]

I like ES coverage more and more each day...

Great footage of the crazy fans and their defiance of their lives....

did you saw Mikkos spin? :eek:

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_371e8eba79.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_f1468c0709.jpg

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More photos from night day 4 HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=973&fseason=2012)

[N.O.T]

did you saw Mikkos spin? :eek:

yes. Unfortunately these people do not now that the laughs and cheers of excitement can easily turn into mourning... and when things go wrong the finger pointing starts but the result doesn't change.

Its ok to have a bunch of mentally handicapped in the stage, unfortunatelly over 50% of world population are like that ...

what is sad is that i did not see a single marshal doing their job properly.

[PLuto]

This year we have decided to miss Col de Turini (without snow it is not so good, also atmosphere this year isnt like in last years) and went into second stage, downhill hairpins from Col St. Roch approx. 5 kms before finish. I must say, it is first time on this rally, where almost all cars were spectacular (WRC cars including). Good finish of this rally for us, after our experience from this year stages we have decided not to visit powerstage...

[Mirek]

Can't agree.

They only had three stages to worry about - wasted 30% of program showing highlights of previous two days. Had the chance to discuss WRC in detail with Jean Todt but that was only 30s or so.

Hardly any coverage of cars on the edge of the top 10 - Andersson's Proton still in top 10, Abbring etc.

No real story about the challenge of the day, no in-depth pieces with team chiefs etc.

Poor interviews, rubbish simulcam as it was on a piece of road that was totally unrepresentative of the major part of the stage.

At least the TV program started on time!!

Poor, poor, poor......

In fact You are wrong. Majority of the stage is looking exactly like it was on the simulcam. The part with ice is a small road starting only 8 km before finish. Of course it was the decisive part but You can't make simulcam from road under trees.

[Mirek]

Good time indeed but this does not surprise me. The best times for the two runs of this stage last year were 13m28.2 (Basso) and 13m08.9 (Sarrazin) and that was in the dark and cold.

But on much better slick tyres which are not allowed in WRC events. Also that was with works cars not with a private one.

[tolis]

Col de Turini Motors TV highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vahHuNPKz0g

[mousti]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/406811_3103997244681_1406751981_3187281_1384195742 _n.jpg

Arzeno-Jamoul :(

[Mirek]

What do you think about the spectators at Monte? I'm pretty amazed of the locations they are allowed to stand, that could never happen in Finland.

From my experience from NORF 2011 it can. Not so often but in the woods without any problem. I was on several places there with no marshals or tape around. But it's true that Monte is very crazy example because it happens almost everywhere.


Are there any marshals in the stages ??

They are only at access roads and on famous places. Otherwise You can walk five kilometers without meeting a single one.

[dimviii]

http://img846.imageshack.us/img846/1932/pict0073m.jpgLatvalas fiesta
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/4807/pict0067ad.jpg

[A.F.F.]

From my experience from NORF 2011 it can. Not so often but in the woods without any problem. I was on several places there with no marshals or tape around. But it's true that Monte is very crazy example because it happens almost everywhere.


They must have been foreign people :p :

[52Paddy]

For a show that has less than 30 minutes air-time, I think Eurosport are doing a satisfactory job. I missed yesterday's highlights, so I appreciated the round-up of the previous day. This gives a good perspective for the 'current day'. Ok, so the highlights just focus on 6 or 7 cars but you can't expect them to cram in any more drivers given their lack of coverage time...not to mention in-depth interviews. I think Simulcam is brilliant - much better than previous years' animation simulation :up: And the joys of not having to listen to Paul King is the icing on the cake!

It's easy to fault them but I say cut them some slack. Some of you here are so ungrateful for what you have (highlights every evening) and beat down on the promoter in a very difficult situation with TV coverage at the moment.

Driver of the rally: you really can't fault Loeb but my hand goes to Petter and Sordo for keeping us somewhat entertained. Particularly to Petter for charging on after the problems.

[PLuto]

Some photos from 4th day of RMC by Roman Kasparek - Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13282)

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/8a776b0d95e539161b926a5c6bf248b8.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/079574295542bc9bf4988c0ed6ff1a4b.jpg
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[PLuto]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0n89TQz_sY

[Red bull]

Any live link to today's power stage?

[Pascal 07]

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http://motors-photos.com (http://motors-photos.com/)

[René]

On his way back to service, Petter Solberg has been arrested by the police for overtaking on uninterrupted white line....

[rallye-sport]

Update Day 4 Photos Rallye du Monte-Carlo 2012 (http://www.rallye-sport.fr/photos-rallye-du-monte-carlo-2012/)

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/photos-monte-carlo-2012/img_7680.jpg

http://www.rallye-sport.fr/wp-content/gallery/photos-monte-carlo-2012/img_8540.jpg

[lreddy]

Live? =(

[ProRally]

On his way back to service, Petter Solberg has been arrested by the police for overtaking on uninterrupted white line....

Any conseqentions or just a money fine ?

[dimviii]

Good morning mates!!

Monte Carlo 2012 - ES12 - a set on Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7260939@N04/sets/72157628960631375/)

[dimviii]

Cédric Houzet photographies | Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/C%C3%A9dric-Houzet-photographies/115918055133815)

[logic]

Live

Total Sports Online: Watch Monte Carlo Rally WRC Powerstage 2012 event live streaming, (http://sportslivestreamlink.blogspot.com/2012/01/watch-monte-carlo-rally-wrc-powerstage.html)
Do you have to sign up to watch?

[Langdale Forest]

Any conseqentions or just a money fine ?

I hope not.

[René]

Any conseqentions or just a money fine ?

I didn't see (and hope) any penalties for him...

[Langdale Forest]

Good

[Miika]

LOL Francois.

[alxudm]

Somebody know where I can see live power stage? This Total Sports Online: Watch Monte Carlo Rally WRC Powerstage 2012 event live streaming, link is not free.

[logic]

LOL Delacor

[MikeD]

3rd point scoring finish in a row for Novikov. He is getting his confidence back.

[RS]

But on much better slick tyres which are not allowed in WRC events. Also that was with works cars not with a private one.

But was there not some ice/snow around on those stages last year? Maybe only on the top?

Even so Sarrazin's time from Lantosque-Luceram 2 last year would have put him 2nd on the equivalent stage this year.

[René]

François let Dominique Savignoni drive the last stage for his last ever Rally. "It's my friend Dominique's last rally, he's stopping now, so I wanted to give him a gift," Delecour explains.

[dimviii]

seems an 1-2 for Citroen at power stage

[MikeD]

Ahhhh win no. 6 in Monte. Loeb is just the greatest!

[GigiGalliNo1]

Congrats MINI and Petter Solberg. Nobre. & Novikov with the one point! Delecour was a legend too!

[N.O.T]

The start of the year for Loeb and Citroen was ideal...now the pressure is on Latvala and Ford...can they handle it ??

i doubt it...

[Blitzerflitzer]

WRC.com is showing times again?

LOL, the ghost of NOS

[dimviii]

Congrats to Loeb for a steady drive without 1 mistake at these conditions.Maximum points for him.
Bravo to Novikov for his first power stage point,and his driving all these 5 days.
Mikko drove well ,when tarmac wasn t tricky,not so good even for his first rally with Citroen.Was waiting more from him.
Petter the same as always,sometimes fast,sometimes less fast,but always with a mistake.
Ogier must focus at gaining experience,and not trying to demonstrate if he is fast.Everybody knows it.Gaining experience will be more usefull next year.
Henning and Mathiew every rally and slower.Campana much better than previous rally,definetely an improovement.
Sordo very good rally for him at finish even his exit at the bridge.Tanak a bit dissapointment,waiting much more from him,at least when he had the right tyre choice.
Rool on Sweden,a rally that Jari can drive well,but from his stupid mistake he is going to compete with plenty of anchos.

[awake27]

What the hell are they doing at Ford? Petter got to power stage with snow tyres for a 0.000000001% chance of an upset and sacrificed points for the driver's championship. -insert facepalm here-

[dimviii]

What the hell are they doing at Ford? Petter got to power stage with snow tyres for a 0.000000001% chance of an upset and sacrificed points for the driver's championship. -insert facepalm here-

+1 if you ask here,half of forumers will tell you that Loeb have ruined the sport.

SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON C. (st. č. 4) Wrong tyre choicehttp://www.forum-rallye.com/public/style_emoticons/default/branle2.gif

[René]

Congratulations to all drivers who are arrived. I hope Evgeny will keep the lesson that when he softens his driving, it is a good result at the end. ;)

[wwbroe]

Congratulations to all drivers, especially to Seb Loeb, who has taken another well deserved win. Latvalla was a serious treath, but not for very long. Due to his mistake, he is now under a lot of pressure allready. Great rally by Sordo and also Petter, pitty about his wrong tyrechoice. Ogier was blindingly fast but also made unnecessary mistake, wich could have ended much worse if you ask me. Bring on Sweden, where i expect a very nice battle for victory. :)

[tfp]

This rally was boring. Bring on sweden!

[User]

What the hell are they doing at Ford? Petter got to power stage with snow tyres for a 0.000000001% chance of an upset and sacrificed points for the driver's championship. -insert facepalm here-

Maybe he only had those tires left? Indeed strange choice else

[Tom206wrc]

This rally was boring. Bring on sweden!


A rally is always boring when one's favorite driver/team can't win it ;)

[Wim_Impreza]

A rally is always boring when one's favorite driver/team can't win it ;)

It was boring. The standings were already made on the first day. The only real thing that happened after the first day was the accident of Ogier. Do you have seen the time differences?

[Barreis]

It was boring 'cos action of 3 days was put in 5 days.

[DIMI44]

François let Dominique Savignoni drive the last stage for his last ever Rally. "It's my friend Dominique's last rally, he's stopping now, so I wanted to give him a gift," Delecour explains.

HE is the (old)man of the Rally....

[A.F.F.]

I wonder how things have turned out if this would have been very snowy Monte Carlo?? Well, maybe next year....

Congrats Sebastien & Daniel. And congrats Sordo for bringing Mini second to finishline, hopefully Prodrive get the finance into balance.

[tfp]

A rally is always boring when one's favorite driver/team can't win it ;)

I guess youre right, I gave up watching after jari matti crashed!

[focus206]

Congratulations to Loeb and to everyone who finished! :)
Expecially to Louise Cook, 2nd in PWRC! :D

[Allyc85]

Well done to Loeb on the win, was never in doubt really!

I had been looking forward to the new season for ages, but it was a bit of a dull rally in the end with big gaps between the drivers (After Petters tyre cock up) and only a few incidents to liven things up occasionally.

But still I am 99.999999% certain that I will be going to the Monte next year, it has to be done!

[lreddy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOjB8UGb2t8&feature=player_embedded#!
Rasta Rally Team

[zajic]

Final pictures from Monte HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=974&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=)
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/974/974_rally_monte_carlo_2012_9061aa8f8a.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/974/974_rally_monte_carlo_2012_7e9f66f351.jpg
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/974/974_rally_monte_carlo_2012_2e36f15956.jpg

[Miika]

Novikov the first-timer and Delecour the old-timer were the positive surprises of this event for me. Plus nice to see Petter back "alive" and at home in the Fiesta, and not so nice to see JML put the extra pressure on himself for the following events by cocking it up right away in the first event.

[RobertS]

This rally was boring.
If anything is boring, that is the poor tarmac-performance of the current Finnish 'top drivers' in WRC.
After so many years in WRC(8-10?) it is unacceptable...

Here is the time to give chance for other talents in works' cars, and forget the 'gravel-boys' ;)

[tfp]

If anything is boring, that is the poor tarmac-performance of the current Finnish 'top drivers' in WRC.
After so many years in WRC(8-10?) it is unacceptable...

Here is the time to give chance for other talents in works' cars, and forget the 'gravel-boys' ;)

Or bring in specialists for different surfaces! Why dont they do that anymore?

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_90bff0f9ef.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_0e9472c902.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_b241b2ffb5.jpg

More photos from last day HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=973&fseason=2012)

[tolis]

Turini by night!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZPiKI4CnuE8

[Red bull]

Am happy for Dani to be up there an hope it will bring back some sense to BMW to pump in more cash for prodive to have proper and stable drivers.

[RobertS]

Or bring in specialists for different surfaces! Why dont they do that anymore?
The main threat is a 'complex' driver, who is fast everywhere - tarmac, gravel, snow all the same. Probably the next main threat is a same guy from France.
If you want to win, you need a same talent.

I remember for a great Finnish driver, who was really fast on tarmac too, especially in MC...
This is not impossible.

If drivers like Hirvonen and Latvala can not learn to drive fast and reliable on tarmac after 8-10 years in WRC, something is fundamentally wrong with them...

[Wim_Impreza]

The main threat is a 'complex' driver, who is fast everywhere - tarmac, gravel, snow all the same. Probably the next main threat is a same guy from France.
If you want to win, you need a same talent.

I remember for a great Finnish driver, who was really fast on tarmac too, especially in MC...
This is not impossible.

If drivers like Hirvonen and Latvala can not learn to drive fast and reliable on tarmac after 8-10 years in WRC, something is fundamentally wrong with them...

Do you really compare Hirvonen with Latvala on tarmac? Latvala is way faster than Hirvonen.

[RobertS]

Latvala is way faster than Hirvonen.
I am talking about a long period. Check their stats on tarmac...some nice stage-results does not counts...


Do you really compare Hirvonen with Latvala on tarmac?
Obviously I compare them with Loeb(Ogier), Makinen, Sainz...

[tiho86]

Is it possible that he was a live transmission :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3-QTvKSRVI

[Mintexmemory]

Sad for PG who had 25 SWRC points in the bag, OTH delighted for Craig B who has a hell of a head's start on what would be one of his least familiar events. Looking forward to Breen v Paddon on gravel.
Hopefully JML will reflect on this event and realise he should have come for 18 points (maybe 21) and would have got them!

[Prisoner Monkeys]

Turini by night!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZPiKI4CnuE8
Wow. For a three-minute video, I expected more than twenty seconds of actual rally action. Everything else was just filler.

[bt52b]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2012/973/973_rally_monte_carlo_2012_b241b2ffb5.jpg

More photos from last day HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=973&fseason=2012)

Mini test team 2012?

[RobertS]

Or bring in specialists for different surfaces! Why dont they do that anymore?
It was common practice in the past years. Ford used gravel-specialists. On tarmac too :D

[Mitch555]

The Good
Petter Solberg
Could well say he was the star of the rally. Petter Solberg is back and hungry. His body language has completely changed and he is very refreshed without the pressures of finding money. Adapted to the car very quickly, as good, if not better than Hirvonen did. The smile on his face said it all, as did the fastest times. The time on SS2 though being the highlight when driving on super soft tarmac tyres in the snow and icey stage and still coming second behind Latvala. Outpacing Sordo on tarmac is another plus!

Yves Matton
Hats off to Yves. First rally as the director of Citroen Racing and first win. Considering he has the 2 drivers who’ve been fighting each other for years, his ability to accommodate Mikko into the team has been great. His ability to manage all the information coming to his drivers has meant that Citroen formulated the best tyre/setup strategies across the event apart from SS1/2.

Evgeniy Novikov
The toughest rally on the calendar and the driver touted as most likely to crash. First Monte, so to finish is a fantastic result. The best thing about his 5th place, is how he went about it. Kept the car on the road the whole time, was faster through day 2 and day 3, and backed off and consolidated on day 4 to keep position. Hopefully more of the same in Sweden, pending on tactics he could end up anywhere from 3rd to 7th if he drives for points. Bravo Evgeniy!

Pierre Campana
Was happy when he got the drive, and had big shoes to fill with Meeke not having the $$s to contribute to his drive. Drove a rally similar to Novikov’s, except drove strongly on day 3 and 4, after having taken the first two days cautiously. 7th is a great effort, and I hope Mini will find the means to develop his skills a bit more.

Francois Delecour
The old master still has it. Amazing drive from someone out of a WRC drive for 10 years. If he had more seat time, he’d still be a force in the championship. A dew 2nd fastest stage times to his name is great when you consider he would have beaten most of the Loeb, Sordo, Solberg and Hirvonen quartet. Hopefully finds the funds to do at least the tarmac rounds, though I’m doubtful it will happen.

Sebastien Ogier
The Skoda is a good car, and well suited the cooler conditions (note S2000 performances in snow), and although the weather unpredictability evens out the power difference, Ogier still did very well in a car he doesn’t too well, nor really needs to get to know all that well. Could well have contributed to his off, but its good to see he’s not just settling for class wins.

Eurosport
Given the circumstances, they did amazingly well to get their equipment and staff to the Monte with 10 days notice. Working with Rally Radio was great, use of simulcam refreshing, however little over used, but not as annoying as Virtual Spectator. Show format (recaps of previous days) may have been due to lack of footage due to minimal cameramen at rally, thus limited shots available.

The Bad
Jari-Matti Latvala
Took a big hit in the psychological battle for the WRC title. Crashing on day 1 certainly should not be on the script of Jari-Matti. It’s a 4.5 day event and he had the lead. Strategically as anyone knows, anything can happen over the other 3.5 days, so he could have eased into second, and then with an inspired tyre choice got Loeb under pressure, or fallen back and consolidated second. Instead was pressured into pushing and now has a big fat 0 point to his name when all his rivals have points. Will take him a few rallies to catch up and needs a podium minimum in Sweden.

Mini WRT
Very poor management leading into the Monte Carlo, having to get a paid driver into their second car due to budget concerns. Luckily Campana was available and had Monte experience. Otherwise Araujo or another fringe driver would have driven. Hopefully they can turn the issue around and get a sponsor onboard.

Proton
What could have been a very promising weekend turned into somewhat of a nightmare for Proton. Basso out on the first stage, I’d start having doubts about his temperament sooner or later when there are a few other fast tarmac drivers around. PG’s engine failure again casts doubt on whether the cars are reliable. Twice in 2011 Atkinson had mechanical failures, along with the IRC failures. Need to really get their act together soon.

The Ugly
Matthew Wilson[i]
The Go Fast Rally Team… …. … hmm… Honestly, he is a disgrace. If I had just sponsored his car, I would be livid with his attitude and performance. He is completely indifferent to those around him and indifferent to competition. Start of day 2 he was asked of his plans. His response was ‘To test some settings on the car”. This is the standard response. His 7th year in the WRC, and 4th Monte Carlo Rally, his performance should have been much better. Novikov, Tanak and Campana all outpaced him by miles despite only having 1 or 2 Monte (IRC) starts between them.

[i]Louise Cook
She isn’t ugly in looks, but performance wise, just horrid. She shouldn’t be at that level, and is just making everyone aware of her gender, and giggling to get her places. No one can be so pig headed to take hard compound tarmac tyres to the Monte. You are hard pressed to find road temperature to suit the mediums, let alone hards. Conditions were for soft, super soft, or winter tyres. If she didn’t have the budget for anything else, she shouldn’t have been there. Someone needs to calculate whether she would have been better off doing Rally 2 the whole time (if it was available).

Giandomenico Basso
The Monte is a very long rally. You essentially can strategise and wait for a day or two before making your move. Crashing on the first stage is ridiculous and is a performance similar to Mikkelson last year. As a team manager I’d be furious. Driving far too fast for what was required to get the job done.

[tfp]

[quote="RobertS"]
I remember for a great Finnish driver, who was really fast on tarmac too, especially in MC...
This is not impossible.

QUOTE]

Mr Toivonen?

[Wim_Impreza]

No tpf: RobertS is refering to Tommi Mäkinen.

[RobertS]

I remember for a great Finnish driver, who was really fast on tarmac too, especially in MC...
This is not impossible.

QUOTE]

Mr Toivonen?
...for the 'King of the Monte' Mr. Mäkinen :s mokin:

[SubaruNorway]

Some are suggesting PG's fuel fire was due to FIA having made a fuel test earlier...?

[bassist]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0n89TQz_sY



Lovely Video!

[pucky54]

PG’s engine failure again casts doubt on whether the cars are reliable.


Which engine failure are you talking about?

[dimviii]

found this video at autosport.cz.Who is this? :eek:
Monte Carlo 2012 ES6 ES9 WRC/S2000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/embed/3TDEkUoZUz8)


edit Tanak?

[tolis]

found this video at autosport.cz.Who is this? :eek:
Monte Carlo 2012 ES6 ES9 WRC/S2000 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/embed/3TDEkUoZUz8)


edit Tanak?

Yes, Tanak.

[Rallyper]

If anything is boring, that is the poor tarmac-performance of the current Finnish 'top drivers' in WRC.
After so many years in WRC(8-10?) it is unacceptable...

Here is the time to give chance for other talents in works' cars, and forget the 'gravel-boys' ;)

Wasn´t it a couple of tarmac-boys in WRC cars in this Monte? And did they beat the gravel-boys? Generally not.

[RobertS]

Wasn´t it a couple of tarmac-boys in WRC cars in this Monte?
???

I am talikng about the factory-drivers, who spent long-long years in factory-seats as no. 1-2.


And did they beat the gravel-boys? Generally not.
On my list Sordo is a tarmac-expert, he is there, where he is >

eWRC-results.com - results Rallye Monte Carlo 2012 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=3363&Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2012)

[N.O.T]

Results in Monte and Sweden and Finland cannot be taken seriously... both are unique events, they have far bigger prestige from the rest but are not indicative of the performance of the drivers or the cars.

[logic]

I think Mikko is the man to watch this season

[N.O.T]

I think Mikko is the man to watch this season

No...for many reasons.

[Zico]

Francois Delecour[/i]
The old master still has it. Amazing drive from someone out of a WRC drive for 10 years. If he had more seat time, he’d still be a force in the championship. A dew 2nd fastest stage times to his name is great when you consider he would have beaten most of the Loeb, Sordo, Solberg and Hirvonen quartet. Hopefully finds the funds to do at least the tarmac rounds, though I’m doubtful it will happen.

I agree 100% with pretty much everything else you said but you believe Delecour would still be a force in the championship ? I dont think so.
Francois did quite well, but as a tarmac specialist, driving a decent car and competing in his own back yard (local knowledge)... I actually expected a bit more from him. In saying that I suppose it could highlight the difference beween his and the Factory cars?

[tfp]

No tpf: RobertS is refering to Tommi Mäkinen.

Of course :cool:
He did have a very good car though, I can remember Mcrae saying - "My grandma could win this rally in that car"
:laugh:

[tfp]

No...for many reasons.

Team orders?

[N.O.T]

Team orders?

is one of them...

[Rallyper]

I agree 100% with pretty much everything else you said but you believe Delecour would still be a force in the championship ? I dont think so.
Francois did quite well, but as a tarmac specialist, driving a decent car and competing in his own back yard (local knowledge)... I actually expected a bit more from him. In saying that I suppose it could highlight the difference beween his and the Factory cars?

Agree. Delecour did what Kankkunen did in Finland 2010. And yet we couldn´t think of Kankkunnen as a major threat in WRC. Neither Delecour.

But it would be great if they would.

[MikeD]

Do you really compare Hirvonen with Latvala on tarmac? Latvala is way faster than Hirvonen.

Yes, Latvala is faster but that's because Hirvonen is really bad on tarmac which doesn't make JML especially good. JML is still extremely crash-prone and you could hear from the interview with him that he was mentally shaken. He now has to win in Sweden or at least beat Loeb and PSolberg to get he title fight back on track. If he crashes again it's already game over.

[tfp]

Yes, Latvala is faster but that's because Hirvonen is really bad on tarmac which doesn't make JML especially good. JML is still extremely crash-prone and you could hear from the interview with him that he was mentally shaken. He now has to win in Sweden or at least beat Loeb and PSolberg to get he title fight back on track. If he crashes again it's already game over.

My thoughts exactly, its unlike loeb to crash more than once in a season (Last year was very rare) Now Jari Matti must go the rest of the year without a crash...Unlikely I admit, but stranger things have hapenned!

[dimviii]

Of course :cool:
He did have a very good car though, I can remember Mcrae saying - "My grandma could win this rally in that car"
:laugh:

lol

[tolis]

Congratulations Seb!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/408169_3108293112075_1406751981_3189159_851356205_ n.jpg

[dimviii]

Solberg punished for speeding during rally - Yahoo! Eurosport (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/22012012/58/solberg-punished-speeding-during-rally.html)

[Langdale Forest]

is one of them...

How can someone be so pessamistic?

Hirvonen set some good times in Monte-Carlo (not his faveorie rally), and he is expected to be one of the favorites for the win in Sweden.

[Fly]

Some are suggesting PG's fuel fire was due to FIA having made a fuel test earlier...?

I read that too but nothing official (yet).

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Very disappointed with the early demise of JML in Monte Carlo - the worst possible start to the season for him if he has any hope of challenging Loeb. He MUST win in Sweden and hope others can take points off Loeb or else he can forget it.

On the plus side for Ford, it was an outstanding MC debut for Petter in the Fiesta, showing both real pace and saying he felt very comfortable in the car: "I never dreamed of having a car as good as this, and to be able to attack on the stages like I have is unbelievable" "This is just fantastic – I just love driving this car, it is unbelievably fast, and they say it is even faster on snow and gravel! It is so easy getting into rhythm with the car, and then the rest is just fun! Can’t wait to do Sweden next!"

It could well be that he will the nearest Ford driver to taking on Loeb this year.

Sweden's result will be very important to the chances of a competitive season ahead...

[Barreis]

Louise should cook.

[N.O.T]

How can someone be so pessamistic?

Hirvonen set some good times in Monte-Carlo (not his faveorie rally), and he is expected to be one of the favorites for the win in Sweden.

its good to be a minor...i envy you...

[Wim_Impreza]

Yes, Latvala is faster but that's because Hirvonen is really bad on tarmac which doesn't make JML especially good. JML is still extremely crash-prone and you could hear from the interview with him that he was mentally shaken. He now has to win in Sweden or at least beat Loeb and PSolberg to get he title fight back on track. If he crashes again it's already game over.

Indeed, you said it very well.

[tfp]

its good to be a minor...i envy you...

That cant be true, he carries the english flag and all of the mines have closed in england ;)

[RS]

Interesting but slightly disappointing rally on the whole.

Hope that next year we might have live tv back and the entry list might be stronger.

[Barreis]

Heavy me(n)tal music in coverage sucks.

[dimviii]

i am very surprised that some mates like Petters performance at Monte.Did they have noticed that he is almost 3 minutes behind leader,while leader was in safe mode for 2 days?Meanwhile he(Petter) was fighting last 2 days for podium?
i really can t understant where is the ''ok performance''

[tolis]

i am very surprised that some mates like Petters performance at Monte.Did they have noticed that he is almost 3 minutes behind leader,while leader was in safe mode for 2 days?Meanwhile he(Petter) was fighting last 2 days for podium?
i really can t understant where is the ''ok performance''
Bearing in mind that this rally was his first in a Fiesta WRC and also that it's a tarmac one, I think that Solberg's performance was not bad. However, I won't be happy if I see him fighting for 2nd place in rallies such as Mexico, Portugal, Acropolis...

[gregwrc]

Flying Ott Tanak :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TDEkUoZUz8

[Alpha]

I was very impressed with Petter. New car, a rally where he's never done well, and he wasn't prioritized in the team until Latvala crashed (most evident when Malcolm told him to not run studs/softs diagonally like everyone else. That cost him a minute).

Sordo, an expert on asphalt was shocked at the times Petter were setting saturday and said after SS15: "Honestly, in this stage I was pushing really hard to be in front for the last one. But here the feeling was not so bad, and Solberg took 8 seconds in 11km. Congratulations to him, I really tried.. I don't know."


Really excited to see what Petter can do in the Fiesta on surfaces closer to his skillset, like snow and gravel.

[tolis]

Day 4 Highlights -Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x0qVJ4KWS8
Day 4 Highlights - Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxl1UsXuTX4

[N.O.T]

That cant be true, he carries the english flag and all of the mines have closed in england ;)

even in Newcastle ?? when i was studying there i heard that the best diamonds in the UK come from Newcastle....

[tfp]

even in Newcastle ?? when i was studying there i heard that the best diamonds in the UK come from Newcastle....

Tramp Juice (http://gk007a0336.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/white.htm)

This is the only diamond to come out of that place....! :D
Anyone who doesnt know what this stuff is, read the review, its priceless :s mokin:

[EightGear]

even in Newcastle ?? when i was studying there i heard that the best diamonds in the UK come from Newcastle....


You actually studied?

:D

[N.O.T]

Tramp Juice (http://gk007a0336.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/white.htm)

This is the only diamond to come out of that place....! :D
Anyone who doesnt know what this stuff is, read the review, its priceless :s mokin:

LOL

this reminds me my non-compulsory Brewing class where the professor told us that usually Brits do not start drinking below the age of 16...i still remember the whole classroom bursting to laughter :D :D

oh the memories... the best years of my life :)

[mousti]

You actually studied?

:D
Surprising enough the guy is a PhD, isn't it Mr N.O.T.? :p

[N.O.T]

Surprising enough the guy is a PhD, isn't it Mr N.O.T.? :p

yes indeed...

i guess this gives hope to sane people as well...

[tolis]

Day 5 Highlights - Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCFuuG5s2rA
Day 5 Highlights - Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0cih9JG_As

[gregwrc]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAyrQznyq3E&feature=player_embedded

[piquet20]

http://www.pohrani.com/f/18/Tb/1qrjQEns/ciddb2356a2-2036-42fb-80.jpg

[mousti]

yes indeed...

i guess this gives hope to sane people as well...
That's why I think you're the Sheldon Cooper of real life :D

[N.O.T]

That's why I think you're the Sheldon Cooper of real life :D

hmmm interesting, i am way more handsome though...

[ridder]

My rally highlights:

Novikov - finishing the rally and at good pace is a big surprise

Delecour - good times due to good tirechoices aren't surprising, but top 4 times on dry tarmac with everyone on same tires are

Campana - was expecting him to be around Wilson's times

Tanak - shows that there's some way to go from being talented to being factory material

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i am very surprised that some mates like Petters performance at Monte.Did they have noticed that he is almost 3 minutes behind leader,while leader was in safe mode for 2 days?Meanwhile he(Petter) was fighting last 2 days for podium?
i really can t understant where is the ''ok performance''

His best finish on Monte after all these years and rallywins has been a 5th place until this week, clearly his weakest rally.

In terms of speed he seemed to be one of the 3 fastest drivers. Behind Loeb, hard to compare with Latvala with so few stages, but faster than Sordo and Hirvonen.

Yes Loeb with his speed and right tirechoices was far ahead... as has been the case for quite a few years in Monte.

All in all very good performance from Petter.

[bluuford]

So, manufacturers points after MC (note that points shown in Eurosport were incorrect, they also added PS points to the teams and did not took into account the privateers )

1 Citroen 37
2 Mini 26
3 M-sport 16
4 Ford 15
5 Armindo Araujo WRT 4
6 Palmeirinha 2

M-Sport is 1 point ahead of Ford :-)

[RAS007]

I agree 100% with pretty much everything else you said but you believe Delecour would still be a force in the championship ? I dont think so.
Francois did quite well, but as a tarmac specialist, driving a decent car and competing in his own back yard (local knowledge)... I actually expected a bit more from him. In saying that I suppose it could highlight the difference beween his and the Factory cars?

I am not necessarily sure that he would be a "force", but I think he would be competitive everywhere he went, unlike Henning Solberg and Matthew Wilson, for example. As far as expecting more from him, you have to bear in mind he is almost 50 years old, and hasnt been near WRC machinery for years. I would love to see him back in the WRC this year.

[spiderem]

hey everybody.
Following the wrc from australia, hard to keep up! Luckily I was on night shift, so perfect timing!

My review of MC :
- very disappointed by JML... he crashed, once again, he really needs to understand that he has to finish the rallies... what's your point of view? it really starts to upset me actually! ford will never be manufacturer champ with him to be honest...
- shame that ogier crashed, it would have been nice to see what position he would end up at the end of the rally. One good thing is he is not in the S2000 to just improve his pace note, he was on maximum attack as you can see on the crash video. So it looks good for the rest of the season, really look forward to see what he will do next.
- Campana, did very well I personally think.
- Shame that nobody did a "special thing" for the spectator at the turini. I was expecting delecour to do a donuts or something like that... This is missing in the modern wrc unfortunately...

So overall, a bit disappointed that the rally was over after ss4...

Let's think about sweden now!

Have fun, see ya dudes.

[Karukera]

My 3 days rally went very well and i was again amazed by the number of fans from various nationalities following the event, i think it's unique in the calendar.
The Turini was exciting at night despite the lack of snow, the cars quickly jumped the col at full speed.
Fantastic scennery and atmosphere, you really have to be there for the engines sound amplified by the rocks, it's evil.
Waiting and walking onto the next stage, the quest for the ultimate best watching location, sharing "vin chaud", endless discussions with rally freaks, rally action... Great moments in life. :up:

[Fri]

video: : : RallySport.hu - WRC Monte Carlo Rallye 2012 : : (http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2012/video/002-rshu_wrc_rallye_monte_carlo_2012.htm)

[carmichael]

Highlights from Rallye Monte-Carlo 2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1t0gZ8WCqQ). Nicely done i should say.

[Mirek]

So I'm back in Prague. Some my thoughts after four consecutive years in RMC...

It was really long event. I can't complain about too little stages per day because You can hardly see more as a spectator especially if You want to watch all cars somewhere out of the huge crowds (at least kilometer from crossroads). It was actually easier from last editions, no waking up at five etc...

Sometimes it was really nice, sometimes disappointing. Definitely not the most spectacular edition of those I visited. That's the 2010 for me. In terms of atmosphere I find previous years better in some way (although there was more spectators generally). As it's my personal feeling it definitely has something to do that the fight on the very top was without those I support (I admit I was doing RMC supporting Škoda crews in previous years). This time I wasn't in Turini but from what I could see it lost something due to more strict spectator regulation and absolutely dry surface. I'm actually quite happy to go to Col St. Roch on SS Lantosque-Luceram instead. All those fires around the never-ending hairpins in the cliffs is something special. We counted 114 fires from one spot!

Some of You complained about the huge time gaps. You are right but look at the other side of the coin. RMC had an average length of a stage well over 20 km which is more than any other event. In this type of roads the time gaps are big over such distance. The results are looking actually pretty old-stylish with gaps in minutes. Would it be better to have forty ten kilometers long stages? I don't think so but some of You would be happy to have drivers separated by seconds not minutes.

[Barreis]

All this stages should be in three days event.

[mousti]

The gamble with the tires added also some seconds/minutes to the time gaps.

[giangino]

Photos Rallye Montecarlo 2012 online... Aveto Wrc - Foto video rally - Foto Val d'Aveto e dintorni - Paesaggio - Natura - Flora e Fauna... (http://www.avetowrc.com/)

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2012/Foto/slides/Rallye_Montecarlo_2012%20(0).jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2012/Foto/slides/Rallye_Montecarlo_2012%20(1).jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2012/Foto/slides/Rallye_Montecarlo_2012%20(5).jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2012/Foto/slides/Rallye_Montecarlo_2012%20(11).jpg

http://www.avetowrc.com/Foto/Wrc/Montecarlo2012/Foto/slides/Rallye_Montecarlo_2012%20(16).jpg

[Livewireshock]

I must admit I am more than a little disappointed with the Motors TV and Eurosport highlights show for each day. In a >30 minute show (considering ad breaks) to have a third to a half of the show dedicated to previous day/days action, it left little room for actual highlights from any given day. There was prolonged periods of the top 4 or 5 drivers, lingering on 3 to 4 sequences of shots, going through the stages. However you never got to see much further down the order. If a car is in the top 10, they deserve at least a 5 to 10 shot in action. Hardly saw Henning or Wilson, Aroujo & Nobre in the WRC cars, let alone a mention of P.G. in his Proton or Abbring in the S2000 cars, I mean there was only 3 of them for most of the event, how hard could it have been to show a quick shot.

The main point of this rant is not just demand variety in the drivers so far as coverage goes. My point is that it is the media coverage that will satisfy the sponsors for their drivers. No point is spending X amount of Euros on a campaign if it is not going to get some TV time in front of the millions of fans watching. So while it is good to celebrate the efforts of the top drivers, but with out supporting the others drivers competing in the championship, you will lose them and thus will have no championship at all.

So please, the grand powers that be, limit the reviews to 3 to 6 minutes maximum and that can give you time to show a passing shot of Driver X and help him keep his sponsor further into 2012 and beyond. Even if it during the cuts to ad breaks, rather than looking down a misty mountain valley. The simulcam shots were nice but only use it once or twice with a relevant car battle, not three or four times plus an extra time with them all combined. Also there is no need to repeat the showing the maps of a stage, when it is exactly the same as the morning pass. Added up, some shots of the other drivers could have been included and it would have proven to have been just as entertaining, while providing the drivers with the exposure they need in these tough times.

[GigiGalliNo1]

If you watch Day 5 coverage, IT IS THE BEST. Review of first 4 days was done well, graphics and commentary I think.. still some mistakes but I also watched in FULL HD.

[Barreis]

All except heavy metal music.

[MikeD]

I am looking for good pictures of Campana. Anybody got any?

[dimviii]

I am looking for good pictures of Campana. Anybody got any?

this any good? :p

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-xdD_UoZB64Y/TxxMRrypgaI/AAAAAAAACBQ/pDO4bvb-aAY/s1600/0015727l.jpg

[dimviii]

@Mike
there are decades of links with photos from Monte at last 5-6 pages.

nice photo
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403749_357850147558512_100000005905312_1523060_169 4711451_n.jpg

[jolle1982]

pictures saturday and sunday rally monte carlo by rallyefreaks.de online!!!
http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/day_4_5_2_01_1327337485.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/day_4_5_2_15_1327337490.jpg

http://www.rallyefreaks.de/images/samgallery/full/day_4_5_2_16_1327337490.jpg

<<< Fotos Rallye Monte Carlo (http://www.rallyefreaks.de/index.php?option=com_samgallery&catid=124%3Atag-4&Itemid=2)

[mousti]

hmmm interesting, i am way more handsome though...
Aha so you care about that, so you're not completely like Sheldon but the differences between him and you are minor :D .

Ontopic: is Loeb crying or is is that because of the champagne LOL :D

[dimviii]

Ontopic: is Loeb crying or is is that because of the champagne LOL :D

he is missing Quesnel-Ogier :p

[Pascal 07]

ES13 :Laborel

http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/6381/dsc8210a.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/dsc8210a.jpg/)

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/3630/dsc8162w.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/580/dsc8162w.jpg/)

[RS]

I must admit I am more than a little disappointed with the Motors TV and Eurosport highlights show for each day. In a >30 minute show (considering ad breaks) to have a third to a half of the show dedicated to previous day/days action, it left little room for actual highlights from any given day. There was prolonged periods of the top 4 or 5 drivers, lingering on 3 to 4 sequences of shots, going through the stages. However you never got to see much further down the order. If a car is in the top 10, they deserve at least a 5 to 10 shot in action. Hardly saw Henning or Wilson, Aroujo & Nobre in the WRC cars, let alone a mention of P.G. in his Proton or Abbring in the S2000 cars, I mean there was only 3 of them for most of the event, how hard could it have been to show a quick shot.

Only Arujo of those which you mention ended up in the top 10.

I hear what you are saying to some extent but I think the amount of coverage you get should be determined by your performance, not whether you can get a sponsor or not.

Coverage of the sub-categories has long been a problem for WRC. Did they even show any last year on real tv? I saw some on WRC.COM but...

Hopefully we will get some live coverage this year and then the guys lower down will definitely get some coverage. Probably more from one stage than an entire rally normally.

[Andre Oliveira]

His name is Araújo.

[OldF]

The MTV3 coverage didn’t have any reviews of previous days and if there was, it was very short. In short it went this way:
JML explaining the stages. Interviews of the drivers after each leg. Other interviews after the first leg of the day. More onboards compared to Eurosport.

Day 1:

Jaques Morelli explaining the tyre rules. He says that every car in a WRC rally can use 45 tyres????? Michelin have 84 different choices. He said that 36 soft tyres (S1), super soft tyres12 (SS1) and hard tyres 8 (H1), 20 tyres with studs and 8 tyres without studs. Three different tarmac tyres. Studded tyres had 240 studs.

Day2:

Interviews with Denis Giraudet and Francois Delecour.

Day 3:

Interviews with Toni Gardemeister and Jouni Ampuja who acted as gravel crew for PGA.

Day 4:
Interview with Tommi Mäkinen explaining Turini stage and some old footage. After the two first stages the interview with Tommi Mäkinern continues when he explains his Monte adventures. Interview with Yves Matton. Interview with Kim Vatanen. All the interviews about 8 last min.

Btw, Yves Matton said that when Citroen still had the both Sebastians, they were considering Mikko as the third driver but the as Yves said “we had to integrate the team”.

Day 5:

Day 4 night stages. Onboard of PGA when the car caught fire. Petter told in the interview that he won’t get a single point from the power stage. About 6 min. driving & onboards from power stage. Interviews with the team bosses. Interview with David Richards.

[A.F.F.]

What a waste was that interview with David Richards. All the time I waited for Latva-Piikkilä to ask about Prodrive's financial situation and if they have chance to drive Meeke but nooooo, questions abouteach driver and milking compliments for Hirvonen :mark:

[RS]

The MTV3 coverage didn’t have any reviews of previous days and if there was, it was very short. In short it went this way:
JML explaining the stages. Interviews of the drivers after each leg. Other interviews after the first leg of the day. More onboards compared to Eurosport.

Day 1:

Jaques Morelli explaining the tyre rules. He says that every car in a WRC rally can use 45 tyres????? Michelin have 84 different choices. He said that 36 soft tyres (S1), super soft tyres12 (SS1) and hard tyres 8 (H1), 20 tyres with studs and 8 tyres without studs. Three different tarmac tyres. Studded tyres had 240 studs.

Day2:

Interviews with Denis Giraudet and Francois Delecour.

Day 3:

Interviews with Toni Gardemeister and Jouni Ampuja who acted as gravel crew for PGA.

Day 4:
Interview with Tommi Mäkinen explaining Turini stage and some old footage. After the two first stages the interview with Tommi Mäkinern continues when he explains his Monte adventures. Interview with Yves Matton. Interview with Kim Vatanen. All the interviews about 8 last min.

Btw, Yves Matton said that when Citroen still had the both Sebastians, they were considering Mikko as the third driver but the as Yves said “we had to integrate the team”.

Day 5:

Day 4 night stages. Onboard of PGA when the car caught fire. Petter told in the interview that he won’t get a single point from the power stage. About 6 min. driving & onboards from power stage. Interviews with the team bosses. Interview with David Richards.

Interesting that they put the show together themselves but I presume using Eurosport footage from the stages and onboards?

Regarding Citroen/Hirvonen; what would have been the point in having him unless the rules allowed best2of3 cars to score or something?

[Barreis]

Didn't see any onboard with camera behind the driver.

[RS]

and milking compliments for Hirvonen :mark:

Why would they do that? Do Fnnish media have their heads in the sand as much as some of the forum members here?

[Barreis]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmnfsZ4DFrA
Ogier crash onboard.

[OldF]

Regarding Citroen/Hirvonen; what would have been the point in having him unless the rules allowed best2of3 cars to score or something?

I can’t either see the point unless if Citroen sees him as an option to Ogier (crash prone) in some rallies and taking secure points for Citroen?

[darkstar]

my monte video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mudpn2K3kg

[A.F.F.]

Why would they do that? Do Fnnish media have their heads in the sand as much as some of the forum members here?

I don't know it either. Maybe because Finnwise the result of Monte Carlo was a total disappointment and they wanted to dig something good about it :dozey:

[DonJippo]

I can’t either see the point unless if Citroen sees him as an option to Ogier (crash prone) in some rallies and taking secure points for Citroen?

Most probably Hirvonen's contract was signed before Loeb decided to continue in WRC and Ogier was still with Citroen.

[bundykins]

Shame Latvala upended his Ford down a bank, it would've made the rally more interesting, see if he could've beat Loeb.

Hirvonen was really disappointing, you can't use the new car as an excuse, look how Petter went in a new car...

[A FONDO]

Hirvonen was really disappointing, you can't use the new car as an excuse, look how Petter went in a new car...
Actually he won 3 stages and a second place in the power stage = 14 points
Solberg won 4 but at the cost of all his tyres completely destroyed 'til Saturday = 15 points

I'm certainly not a fan of Hirvonen but I expect very strong season from him. He has a better developed car now, better engineers and teammate to take advices from, and is much more relaxed being the second driver in the team (which is important for his fragile mentality).

[Karukera]

Welcome aboard Slowson :up: , expect to have a lot of friends in this forum.

[Livewireshock]

Only Arujo of those which you mention ended up in the top 10.

I hear what you are saying to some extent but I think the amount of coverage you get should be determined by your performance, not whether you can get a sponsor or not.

Coverage of the sub-categories has long been a problem for WRC. Did they even show any last year on real tv? I saw some on WRC.COM but...

Hopefully we will get some live coverage this year and then the guys lower down will definitely get some coverage. Probably more from one stage than an entire rally normally.

Abbring and PG were in the top ten on various days, so should have featured in that days highlights for their good performance, despite being S2000 cars in the same way as Ogier was. The others did have high points on certain stages that could have been shown too. The main point is when you have a show that lasts just over 26 minutes but you devote 11 & 1/2 minutes of that show to show regurgitating what happened prior to that day, it leaves little room for for anyone outside the top 5 to feature on the show. No privateer can hardly survive on that level of coverage.

It would not hurt for a 5 to 10 second cut shot of car X, then they can prove to their sponsor that their investment was worth it and that might encourage them to sponsor that driver further into the year where they might get a top 5 result. However if they can get no TV coverage, the sponsor will pull out and there will be another quality driver (of which there are already too many) sitting on the sidelines rather than entering a WRC event. In some ways, it would be no different to the small shots of the crowds and scenery they include to show the atmosphere of that event, just show short snippet of some cars outside the top 5. I know you can not include everyone, but at least the drivers entered at WRC level and/for SWRC/PWRC.

If you look at circuit racing, even the lowliest back marker is sure to be shown in TV from being shown on the starting grid to being lapped however many times. This despite the fact that the cameras and commentators at the time were concentrating on the top 5 car lapping the slower car, the slower car is still going to get some air time. Rally because of it's nature can not ensure that to it's lower ranked cars and that is a danger in a sense, in an era when sponsors want as much bang-for-their-buck as possible due to the poor economies.

[dimviii]

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http://rally38.free.fr/photos/monte-carlo%202012%20by%20Aurelien%20Vialatte/403613_2847782766838_2025999808_n.jpg
http://rally38.free.fr/photos/monte-carlo%202012%20by%20Aurelien%20Vialatte/Monte-Carlo%202012%20By%20Aur%C3%A9lien%20Vialatte.htm

[makinen_fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dorZ4im_u0Y

video from a really nice spot, quality is not so nice though

[mousti]

Seems I was wrong on the images of Eurosport EllegyTV helped with the montage but it seems Courteyn and his Rally Action crew filmed it :) .

[bt52b]

What a waste was that interview with David Richards. All the time I waited for Latva-Piikkilä to ask about Prodrive's financial situation and if they have chance to drive Meeke but nooooo, questions abouteach driver and milking compliments for Hirvonen :mark:

His WRR chat with Becs was just as brutal, may as well have been asking him about the weather in the UK for all the use the interview was to the listeners.

[zacwrc]

Hi everybody,

here's a small video of Seb doing some donuts before going on the podium of rally Montecarlo. It was really cool, he really pleased the crowd!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ia5f_59bn8&feature=g-upl&context=G2d6cc1eAUAAAAAAAAAA

[makinen_fan]

Hi everybody,

here's a small video of Seb doing some donuts before going on the podium of rally Montecarlo. It was really cool, he really pleased the crowd!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ia5f_59bn8&feature=g-upl&context=G2d6cc1eAUAAAAAAAAAA

another vid that shows it from better angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZztUhNb_L14

great to see donuts selebrations come back to the sport. remember when it was so popular in early 90s, were they illegalised by the FIA later on? or was it just the organisers not allowing the crews ?

[6789]

McRae did a massive burnout at Rally Australia in the late 1990's. There's a video of it somewhere online I think, if I find the pics at home I'll share them!

[zacwrc]

another vid that shows it from better angle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZztUhNb_L14

great to see donuts selebrations come back to the sport. remember when it was so popular in early 90s, were they illegalised by the FIA later on? or was it just the organisers not allowing the crews ?

Wow, this one is great too. He got it from the very beggining! THanks!

[dimviii]

pga fuoco :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HRaLgkomEao

[OldF]

pga fuoco :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HRaLgkomEao

Looked like an explosion on the left side under the bonnet. What is there that can explode?

[Wasted Talent]

Looked like an explosion on the left side under the bonnet. What is there that can explode?

Looks like a fuel line broke and sprayed onto the exhaust manifold

The under bonnet extinguisher doesn't look likes it is working

WT

[dimviii]

Looked like an explosion on the left side under the bonnet. What is there that can explode?

probably fuel lines/fuel pressure regulator/fuel rail leakage plus electric cables=boooom

[denkimi]

looks like a broken fuel-hose to me. only petrol could create such a fireball.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tnzgdSBLeWA/Trib1zVFXjI/AAAAAAAACCM/32RvJB5f_n0/s640/engine.jpg

[dimviii]

rallye monte-carlo 2012 - Vidéo Dailymotion (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xnw1g1_rallye-monte-carlo-2012_auto#rel-page-under-2)

[mousti]

So Fia screwed up with that fuel test. I got not so much knowledge about engines other stuff under the bonnet etc. :D

[dimviii]

did anybody noticed a new sticker at Citroens?


http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9676/mc105.jpgLuhta - Finland Inspired Lifestyle (http://www.luhta.fi/mxl-fashion/luhtawww.nsf/pages/index.html)

[N.O.T]

was the sticker on both Citroens ? or is it a personal sponsor of Mikko ?

[Red bull]

World Rally Championship - News - Matton: ace Neuville faces tough start (http://www.wrc.com/news/matton-ace-neuville-faces-tough-start/?fid=15947)

[dimviii]

was the sticker on both Citroens ? or is it a personal sponsor of Mikko ?

At both,but not at Neuvills ds3

[OldF]

did anybody noticed a new sticker at Citroens?


http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9676/mc105.jpgLuhta - Finland Inspired Lifestyle (http://www.luhta.fi/mxl-fashion/luhtawww.nsf/pages/index.html)

It's for the whole team.

Again: Solberg = Hirvonen

Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2012%2F01%2F1475357%2Fsuomalaisyritys-pukee-hirvosen-citronin-vareihin)

[A FONDO]

was the sticker on both Citroens ? or is it a personal sponsor of Mikko ?
most probably his personal, also I saw on his helmet the old "EL-BI"

[OldF]

looks like a broken fuel-hose to me. only petrol could create such a fireball.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tnzgdSBLeWA/Trib1zVFXjI/AAAAAAAACCM/32RvJB5f_n0/s640/engine.jpg

Is the “can” on the right hand from where FIA take the fuel samples? Does this “can” also include the fuel pressure regulator?

[MJW]

It's for the whole team.

Again: Solberg = Hirvonen

Google Kääntäjä (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=fi&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2012%2F01%2F1475357%2Fsuomalaisyritys-pukee-hirvosen-citronin-vareihin) Luhta have been providing Citroen team clothing for a number of years before Miko drove for them.

[SubaruNorway]

Looks more like 3 in one servo, coolant and catch tank. They could do it from the blue connection on the fuel gallery right behind the proton carbon intake i guess.

[Salist]

P-G Andersson's Proton S2000 Catches fire @ Montecarlo 2012


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRaLgkomEao&feature=player_embedded

[mousti]

It's also on the front bumper btw.

[darkstar]

really sad thing, i would´ve been very glad for pg and proton if they´d won swrc at monte carlo. would´ve been a good promotion for them...

[adr17]

Looks more like 3 in one servo, coolant and catch tank. They could do it from the blue connection on the fuel gallery right behind the proton carbon intake i guess.

most fuel sample points are on top of tank are on citreon and fords

[pucky54]

looks like a broken fuel-hose to me. only petrol could create such a fireball.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tnzgdSBLeWA/Trib1zVFXjI/AAAAAAAACCM/32RvJB5f_n0/s640/engine.jpg

thats the old spec engine.
here is a photo of 2012 spec:
http://www.foto-modlic.si/photos/2012/01/290/high/MoC-3741.jpg

[bluuford]

They got out from the car in 5-6 seconds after explosion... with all the HANS devices and etc. How is it possible? Guys in the movie "gone in 60 seconds" sound snail slow now;-)

[Barreis]

You should try the same. :D

[mousti]

They got out from the car in 5-6 seconds after explosion... with all the HANS devices and etc. How is it possible? Guys in the movie "gone in 60 seconds" sound snail slow now;-)
It's not that the Hans system is attached to the seat. Just put on the button of seatbelts, and jump out of it :p .

[dimviii]

most fuel sample points are on top of tank are on citreon and fords

+1 same at all rally cars i ve seen,including Mitsu grN.

[dimviii]

Looks more like 3 in one servo, coolant and catch tank. They could do it from the blue connection on the fuel gallery right behind the proton carbon intake i guess.

+1 and inside the catch tank there is engine oil,which is flammable.

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/monte/mp_a_30_loeb_4.jpghttp://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/monte/mp_a_298_andersson_1.jpgnice photos from ewrc.cz
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2012/wrc/monte/mp_a_30_loeb_2.jpg

[michpetter]

Great rally from Delecour :)
First start in new WRC at that level and was much faster than future stars like Campana and Tanak. He was third fastest overall on day/leg 4! Could we see a future champion in making?
;)

And great gesture on the PowerStage :) It reminds me of Petter :D
Hover the PowerStage was disappointment.
It was supposed to be stage broadcasted live worldwide with bonus points for winners. Was it shown anywhere?
Turini would be much better PowerStage... Or GP course.

[darkstar]

ogier crash from another point of view:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u8ALjPPsye0

[Xsara Fan]

Special interview! Malcolm Wilson in Monte-Carlo - about Santa, holidays, etc... (http://www.almrally.ru/news-command/info/7086/)

:)