Rallye Wrc Monte Carlo 2012

[Bartek]

Ogier can be at top 5 on this stage...

[Doon]

Like the good old days!!!! :D

Yeh, everyone moans about how the WRC was better in the 'good old days', and now it's just like <2001, lol!!

[EightGear]

Araujo in trouble.

Edit: Or not...

[Sarac330d]

Výsledky Rallye: Výsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=1)

[Bruno Portela]

Engine problems for Armindo Araujo?!?!?!?

[tiho86]

Araujo in trouble.

Edit: Or not...
No its regural sound :)

[Wim_Impreza]

Yeh, everyone moans about how the WRC was better in the 'good old days', and now it's just like <2001, lol!!

Do you really mean that? We are missing some factory teams to make it more interesting. In 2001, there were a lot of drivers and marques that won one of more WRC rallies and teams had even an extra car for tarmac experts.

The good thing is that there aren't split times and no SupeRally in this rally.

[Viking]

I somewhat expekted Loeb to push when everybody else said that they should start rally carefully...

[N.O.T]

well pretty much expected....

Easy win and relaxing pace by Loeb... he should be comfortable winner if all go as planned...

Without superally Latvala did the wise thing and took it steady, now all he has to do is adjust the pace to pass Sordo...

Nice to see Hirvonen on pace with the new car from the go...

The biggest disgrace the sport has ever seen is still running in the same disgraceful pace despite the drama of not starting...

[MikeD]

24:04.0 Loeb
24:05.0 Sordo (-1:0 sec)
24:18.9 Hirvonen (-14:9 sec)
24:26.2 Latvala (-22:2 sec)
24:38.4 P.Solberg (-34:4 sec)
24:44.2 P.Campana (-40:2 sec)
24:46.9 E.Novikov (-42:9 sec)
24:52.5 F.Delecour (-48.5 sec)
25:14.1 O.Tänak (-1:10.1 sec)
25:52.8 M.Slowson (-1:44.8 sec)

Damn - didn't get the time for Prokop and Araújo

[Bruno Portela]

Do you really mean that? We are missing some factory teams to make it more interesting. In 2001, there were a lot of drivers and marques that won one of more WRC rallies and teams had even an extra car for tarmac experts.

The good thing is that there aren't split times and no SupeRally in this rally.

No Superrally?!?!??!

[N.O.T]

Not a bad time by Campana either... for his skills.

[Sardalense]

Bouffier lost the rear bumper in the middle of the stage

[N.O.T]

No Superrally?!?!??!

yes the organisers of each event decide if they allow superally or not this year...Monte said NO.

[EightGear]

24:04.0 Loeb
24:05.0 Sordo (-1:0 sec)
24:18.9 Hirvonen (-14:9 sec)
24:26.2 Latvala (-22:2 sec)
24:38.4 P.Solberg (-34:4 sec)
24:44.2 P.Campana (-40:2 sec)
24:46.9 E.Novikov (-42:9 sec)
24:52.5 F.Delecour (-48.5 sec)
25:14.1 O.Tänak (-1:10.1 sec)
25:52.8 M.Slowson (-1:44.8 sec)

Damn - didn't get the time for Prokop and Araújo

Prokop: 25:14,3

[N.O.T]

Snow on the next stage....

Tyre gamble once more for Monte.

[Bruno Portela]

24:04.0 Loeb
24:05.0 Sordo (-1:0 sec)
24:18.9 Hirvonen (-14:9 sec)
24:26.2 Latvala (-22:2 sec)
24:38.4 P.Solberg (-34:4 sec)
24:44.2 P.Campana (-40:2 sec)
24:46.9 E.Novikov (-42:9 sec)
24:52.5 F.Delecour (-48.5 sec)
25:14.1 O.Tänak (-1:10.1 sec)
25:52.8 M.Slowson (-1:44.8 sec)

Damn - didn't get the time for Prokop and Araújo

Prokop 24:14,3
Araujo 25:20,6

[Wim_Impreza]

Prokop 24:14,3
Araujo 25:20,6

Prokop 25:14,3. ;)

[N.O.T]

Neuville slow...

He must realise this is not the ladycup competition of IRC.

[tiho86]

Neuville slow...

He must realise this is not the ladycup competition of IRC.

"I was really really slow. But I want finish this rally."

[EightGear]

Ogier faster than Tanak, even with a brake problem... :o

[James Graham]

I bet Go Fast are glad they spent so much money sponsoring two drivers who both got caught and passed in SS1!

[EightGear]

Bouffier almost 10 seconds faster than Ogier!!

And Basso out!

[N.O.T]

Maurin also slow...pity i had hopes.

[N.O.T]

Bouffier almost 10 seconds faster than Ogier!!

Hmmm maybe the new peugeot is really fast after all...

[Bartek]

Shame for PEUGEOT!!

N.O.T
Bryan have Evo 2 spec not 2012 spec :)

[EightGear]

Hmmm maybe the new peugeot is really fast after all...


Bouffier is in the old one, if I'm not mistaken.

[had_zachau]

N.O.T.: he has not the new peugeot

[N.O.T]

Basso OFF !!

Buffier slid and hit the back...

[N.O.T]

N.O.T.: he has not the new peugeot

great time by him then !!!

[tiho86]

What hapend with Basso?

[Sulland]

to bad for Basso, always painful to go off on the first stage.

[Gard]

I bet Go Fast are glad they spent so much money sponsoring two drivers who both got caught and passed in SS1!

That's one of the advantages of WRC. doesn't matter if your name is Loeb or Wilson. Media coverage is about the same.

[rage82]

Great time for Abbring he's under 25 min.
edit: Arzeno is with the great time was mistaken by the acm,mc site

[JTGANG]

Fantastic time for Arzeno !!!! hope he continues this way.....

[EightGear]

Great time for Abbring he;s under 25 min.

No it was Arzeno, Abbring did a 25:39,7

[RS]

Neuville slow...

He must realise this is not the ladycup competition of IRC.

Grow up mate, this is his first stage in a WRCar in tricky conditions. He did not complete the first stage last year.

On the other hand last years winner was just faster than Ogier in the same category car.

Let's see how the whole rally goes before making judgements.

[Bruno Portela]

SS2 to start!!!!

[Iskald]

I bet Go Fast are glad they spent so much money sponsoring two drivers who both got caught and passed in SS1!

Agree that Henning Solberg has no hope of doing anything remarkable in MC, but running the car in 2WD spec on a 36 km stage didn`t exactly help him...

[N.O.T]

Grow up mate, this is his first stage in a WRCar in tricky conditions. He did not complete the first stage last year.

On the other hand last years winner was just faster than Ogier in the same category car.

Let's see how the whole rally goes before making judgements.

sarrazin was faster than Loeb also...

Neuville has many excuses but he was still very very slow...

[Francis44]

He has time to improve, Ogier in his first full championship was quite slow sometimes, and look at how fast he his now.

[N.O.T]

Ogier was never that slow....

And lets not forget that Neuville is alot faster on tarmac than gravel....

[Brother John]

As usual, many pub talk here. :D

[N.O.T]

we talk about the rally still...not irrelevant stuff

[andyone]

i wish luck for Latvala. it he might still win. if loeb dont take it easy he will end up in the ditches like what happened on the first time when he gave Gronholm the monte win. fingers xed. i like the peed of Campana that boy is awesome

[Brother John]

we talk about the rally still...not irrelevant stuff

No problem N.O.T, I may here surely laugh, or is that not allowed? ;)

[Viking]

ahh, the "two studded tyre trick" pulled from Citroen

[Bruno Portela]

Strange way to put the stud tyres for Loeb, isn't it?!?!?

[Leon]

Ogier was never that slow....

And lets not forget that Neuville is alot faster on tarmac than gravel....

I rate Neuville highly after his two wins in Corsica and San Remo but especially after seeing him and his stage times live both on tarmac and gravel in last years Cyprus rally. He still has a lot to learn but I hope he will not be another "promising but not ultimately delivering" Belgian such a Thiry - Loix - Duval if you know what I mean. But above all I very much enjoyed his Mcrae driving style..

[rage82]

Incredible time for JML, 52 sec. fater than Loeb

[Sami]

Remember that there's another stage to go with the same tyres, isn't there? So don't make any judgements before SS2, which has totally different conditions.

[cali]

we talk about the rally still...not irrelevant stuff
No, you talk BS

[Rally Hokkaido]

and Ford also did the diagonal studded tyre trick ......amazing time from Jari-Matti 50secs faster than Seb

[Miika]

If Latvala´s time stands, God bless Monte.

[Bruno Portela]

Is there a mistake with Latvala time?!?!? Although his interview came very close to Mikko's..... :o

[AP-Racing]

wrong tires choose for Citro

[bluuford]

Latvala 21:28.2
+28.6 Solberg
+52.7 Loeb
+1:11.3 Mikko

[Micke_VOC]

Great time by Latvala...

[N.O.T]

Tyre gamble works for Latvala :)

[Ucci]

OMG, JML incredible time .....this is going to be very interesting.

[nr7wave]

Solberg on 4 slicks! Great time!

[Tanelv]

Latvala into lead over Loeb by 30 seconds. How cool is that ah?

[Viking]

wrong tires choose for Citro

Latvala said he was on the same two studded trick as Loeb if I got it right, Petter on four slicks

[Miika]

Matthew "Learning Curve" Wilson.

[JTGANG]

Amazing time from Robert Cedric with his DS3 R3T in the 1st stage !!!!!

[nr7wave]

Latvala said he was on the same two studded trick as Loeb if I got it right, Petter on four slicks
Yes, but Ford used supersoft, Citroen used soft.

[Mintexmemory]

Go JML! Looks like he's learned a thing or two. This is gonna be a very interesting rallly as SL hasn't had real competition here for a looong time!

[6789]

Great time by Jari-Matti!!

Season 2012 is a go!!

[Rally Hokkaido]

Dani and Novikov have both hit banks and re-arranged their suspension/steering geometry

[Bruno Portela]

Novikov crashing as usual...... Poor Denis Giraudet..... :(

[OldF]

Yes, but Ford used supersoft, Citroen used soft.

Let’s see how the supersoft tyres work for the second run.

[Livewireshock]

Long way back to service with busted suspension

[Mintexmemory]

Let’s see how the supersoft tyres work for the second run.

Well the studded tyres will have worn studs - same for Loeb and JML but I would expect the 2 in-car spares to both be ss and so I think a repeat of the morning is likely.

[Bartek]

Prokop was out of the road

Araujo also was in the ditch, he is talking about 4 minutes...

[bluuford]

There is a service now guys.. who knows which tires they are going to use.

[Mintexmemory]

There is a service now guys.. who knows which tires they are going to use.

Yes but are they allowed a tyre change or can they only use the 6 they started with?

[N.O.T]

that is the best and worst thing about Monte...its more of tyre gamble than driving...it is exciting but mind boggling as well for drivers and spectators.

If latvala is on supersofts... will they hold for another run ? or they are going to deteriorate ?

[bluuford]

They are allowed to take new. only problem is that now the number is tires is bit smaller.

[andyone]

there was no gamble its just speed. coz latvala had the same tires as loeb so its just that latvala had bigger balls... lol go go go latvala.. Go Finland.. im soo happy

[N.O.T]

Judging from te times on ss1 Cook was caught in the stage by many more than just Abbring... thank god for the 3 minute gap :D

[N.O.T]

there was no gamble its just speed. coz latvala had the same tires as loeb so its just that latvala had bigger balls... lol go go go latvala.. Go Finland.. im soo happy

post more please... we need people like you in here.

[denkimi]

neuville was also held up, he said he lost about 20 seconds.

[Viking]

Has Tanak had any problems, slower than Wilson...

[nr7wave]

there was no gamble its just speed. coz latvala had the same tires as loeb so its just that latvala had bigger balls... lol go go go latvala.. Go Finland.. im soo happy
No they did'nt. Latvala had supersoft slicks and studs, Loeb had soft slicks and studs.

[Micke_VOC]

ohh.. Ogier third overall on the stage. =)

[N.O.T]

neuville was also held up, he said he lost about 20 seconds.

maybe they give her 4 minutes now and the problem is solved :D :D

[Miika]

I guess the Polo could do just fine next year even without a turbo in it.

[bluuford]

Tänak has never driven on studded tires with Fiesta WRC and studs in front, soft behind.. car was oversteering. And he also cought Henning as usual :-)

[N.O.T]

ohh.. Ogier third overall on the stage. =)

i remember Burri (or gasner ?) won a stage some long time ago in his Group N mitsubishi...

Tyre gamble is sure nice.

[N.O.T]

Seems all the Citroen cars were on the same tyres...

A certain Mr Quessnel is smiling right now....

[EightGear]

Times aren't updating here, only 13 cars finished...

[hari]

Times aren't updating here, only 13 cars finished...

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=2&filtr= works well, 20 cars here

[Wim_Impreza]

i remember Burri (or gasner ?) won a stage some long time ago in his Group N mitsubishi...

That was Hermann Gaßner in 2001 in a Proton Pert in SS2.

[andyone]

loeb must have had an issue. he is 21 seconds slower than ogier. in a s2000. he must have had a moment. damn ogier is flying

[N.O.T]

loeb must have had an issue. he is 21 seconds slower than ogier. in a s2000. he must have had a moment. damn ogier is flying

i think Ogier has bigger balls as well...on this rally its only pure speed that counts.

[Bartek]

Bryan hit something

[gregwrc]

Ogier was quicker than loeb in second stage ..... He did the 3rd time in the stage. Very good !!!

OGIER S. / INGRASSIA J. ŠKODA Fabia S2000 21:59.5

LOEB S. / ELENA D. CITROËN DS3 WRC 22:20.9

[gregwrc]

i think Ogier has bigger balls as well...on this rally its only pure speed that counts.

+1000000000000

[denkimi]

maybe they give her 4 minutes now and the problem is solved :D :D
somethimes i think you actually have some knowlegde about rally, or mabye even some common sense. but in the end you always prove me wrong. :D

anyway, ogier is faster in a s2000 than you god, so you may start crying now.

[ridder]

Tänak has never driven on studded tires with Fiesta WRC and studs in front, soft behind.. car was oversteering. And he also cought Henning as usual :-)

I remember a month ago a lot of people saw Tanak as second factory driver at ford. So far his monte shows just how much experience matters.

[bluuford]

Looks like the conditions are getting better as well. Temperaure is climbing pretty rapidly right now and half hour difference and many cars makes big difference.

[N.O.T]

somethimes i think you actually have some knowlegde about rally, or mabye even some common sense. but in the end you always prove me wrong. :D

anyway, ogier is faster in a s2000 than you god, so you may start crying now.

Knowledge is relevant...

Want me to gather my tears and mail them to you ?? you can have a shower in them...

I do it very often for 8 years in row...it is refreshing i must say.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

That was Hermann Gaßner in 2001 in a Proton Pert in SS2.
It's not importante for the topic, but...
I'm quite sure it wasn't Gaßner... it was the swiss driver Olivier Gillet if I remember well!

[Wim_Impreza]

]It's not importante for the topic, but...
I'm quite sure it wasn't Gaßner... it was the swiss driver Olivier Gillet if I remember well!

eWRC-results.com - results Rallye Monte Carlo 2001 (http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=94&s=1643&t=Rallye-Monte-Carlo-2001)

[Francis44]

Amindo won a SS aswell against WRC some 3 years back and so what?! He is slow as hell now.

[Josti]

]It's not importante for the topic, but...
I'm quite sure it wasn't Gaßner... it was the swiss driver Olivier Gillet if I remember well!

It was Gassner actually. Though Gillet happened to finish in top 10 that year.

[Red bull]

ohh.. Ogier third overall on the stage. =)

All eyes on Ogier and VW must be very proud of him even if its only on
this stage,this is incredible!

[N.O.T]

]It's not importante for the topic, but...
I'm quite sure it wasn't Gaßner... it was the swiss driver Olivier Gillet if I remember well!

yes..you are correct i confused the two Oliviers

[Bartek]

Onboards will be very interesting :)

Guys, here you have fast online results: http://www.rallye-sport.fr/es2-monte-carlo-2012/

[Fly]

Gamble or not, I'm happy to see Andersson's times.

[Viking]

Also PG Anderson is doing the most of the conditions so far, despite some tangeling with Breen on this one..

[AndyRAC]

Seems all the Citroen cars were on the same tyres...

A certain Mr Quesnel is smiling right now....

Can never understand having the same strategy for all cars - look at Skoda last year.

[Camelopard]

Ogier 20 seconds faster than Loeb on the second stage! Please may it continue........ Can't wait for the official VW entry next year! :)

[denkimi]

cook slowest again, this is getting dangerous.

[Viking]

Ogier is 1,05/s km slower than fastest wrc over this loop, wery good but we have seen times like that before between S2000/WRC.

[Francis44]

I hope Loeb doesn't bail out of the championship this year before facing VW and Ogier next year.

[Viking]

I think Ogier can do this times because VW have an excellent icenote-crew ;)

[N.O.T]

cook slowest again, this is getting dangerous.

don't worry the monte organisers gave her 3 minute gap...everything is ok now.

[OldF]

They are allowed to take new. only problem is that now the number is tires is bit smaller.

They can change tyres seven times during a rally and use a total of 35 tyres. Four evening services and four day services.

[N.O.T]

I hope Loeb doesn't bail out of the championship this year before facing VW and Ogier next year.

i think he will bail out of the championship after this day... because as we know the whole championship is decided by Montes tyre choices and whoever comes second bails out...

I think we should send Latvala to the Championship Gala after the rally since its just a few meters away no need to have the teams travel to other rallies....

[Wasted Talent]

Why can she compete in PWRC with a Group A car? The P stays not for parking, but for production.

She is doing the 2wd cup part of the PWRC, and all PWRC cars have to be Group N

WT

[Wasted Talent]

According to rally-sport.fr, drivers start with 4 soft tires for ss1 and 2 studded tires inside the car for ss2.

I thought the regulations said that this year the drivers cannot mix studded and non-studded tyres???

WT

[Francis44]

i think he will bail out of the championship after this day... because as we know the whole championship is decided by Montes tyre choices and whoever comes second bails out...

I think we should send Latvala to the Championship Gala after the rally since its just a few meters away no need to have the teams travel to other rallies....

Im not saying this because of this rally....

From comments last year I think Loeb is inclined to leave this year at the end.
Excuse me if im the only one eager to see Loeb out of his confort zone fighting an equally fast driver in an equally powerfull team.

[Wim_Impreza]

She is doing the 2wd cup part of the PWRC, and all PWRC cars have to be Group N

WT

Please explain me then why Harry Hunt could do the PWRC last year with a Group A car (Citroën DS3 R3T).

[N.O.T]

Im not saying this because of this rally....

From comments last year I think Loeb is inclined to leave this year at the end.
Excuse me if im the only one eager to see Loeb out of his confort zone fighting an equally fast driver in an equally powerfull team.

We do not know yet how powerful the VW is...

and i think in those 8 years of dominance he beat guys and legends like they were nothing... so i do not think how much this "comfort" zone had its part.

[Wasted Talent]

Please explain me then why Harry Hunt could do the PWRC last year with a Group A car (Citroën DS3 R3T).

Good question!! I have no idea............

WT

[Viking]

cook slowest again, this is getting dangerous.

What! I have her second in PWRC, she just need a little bit of luck and a Kosciuszko off before we can read wery funny press realises :D

[Brother John]

I got my first idea of ​​the first WRC rally in 2012 written in http://www.motorsportforums.com/wrc/150000-rally-discussions-comments-pub-talk.html

[dimviii]

Good morning to everybody!
Big gaps from tyre choices.I wouldn t make any predictions.Totally gambling till now.Lets wait some stages more.

[Fly]

Great start from Seb Chardonnet, aged 23, on the Clio R3, giving Robert a fight. Former circuit driver and grandson of the man who entered Darniche's Stratos in the late 70's.

Only 2 years in rallying.

Another Seb...

[dimviii]

Great start from Seb Chardonnet, aged 23, on the Clio R3, giving Robert a fight. Former circuit driver and grandson of the man who entered Darniche's Stratos in the late 70's.

Only 2 years in rallying.

Another Seb...

wasn t Chardonnet the French Lancia importer?

[A.F.F.]

Good morning everyone :wave:

First stage expected but second stage !!! How about that tyrechoice by Latvala :eek: ???

And Ogier third fastest.... how com I get the feeling this rally shall offer us surprises by the each stage :D

[JTGANG]

Great start from Seb Chardonnet, aged 23, on the Clio R3, giving Robert a fight. Former circuit driver and grandson of the man who entered Darniche's Stratos in the late 70's.

Only 2 years in rallying.

Another Seb...

Indeed Chardonnet is quite fast young driver but for sure also he hasn't race only 2 rallies....

[Wasted Talent]

I thought the regulations said that this year the drivers cannot mix studded and non-studded tyres???

WT

Ah, got my own answer - slicks/wets can be mixed studs or no-studs but snow tyres have to be all 4 studded or all 4 not - simples???

WT

[Wasted Talent]

cook slowest again, this is getting dangerous.

She has no intercom working and is on hard slicks and 2wd.

I think she is doing better than anyone posting on here..........

WT

[DonJippo]

I thought the regulations said that this year the drivers cannot mix studded and non-studded tyres???

WT

They cannot mix studded and non-studded snow tyres but can mix with other tyres.

[OldF]

Please explain me then why Harry Hunt could do the PWRC last year with a Group A car (Citroën DS3 R3T).


The 2WD cars in PWRC are group R cars.

4.3 ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIA PRODUCTION CAR
WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP (PWRC)
All cars must comply with the 2012 FIA Appendix J regulations for:
- Group N cars (Art. 254) or
- Group R cars (Art. 260 and Art. 260D).

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... ndices.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/19C04E81DF0FF28EC125796F005E0D10/$FILE/2012%20WRC%20Sporting%20Regulations%20+%20Appendic es.pdf) (page 13)

[Koppomsbo]

This have for sure be up in the tread before but..

How many and whom is entred for scoring points in SWRC?

[tolis]

This have for sure be up in the tread before but..

How many and whom is entred for scoring points in SWRC?
Breen, PG, Basso

[wwbroe]

Now, let's wait for the second run trough the same stages to see if Seb will react to his loss of time compared to JML. I guess it will still be difficult tyrechoice as usual.

[Doon]

She has no intercom working and is on hard slicks and 2wd.

I think she is doing better than anyone posting on here..........

WT

Fair enough, but she's still very slow and it makes it dangerous when numerous cars are catching especially in the tricky conditions.

[tfp]

A very good start for jml! Hope he can keep it up!! Does anyone know any websites with live timing?

[N.O.T]

A very good start for jml! Hope he can keep it up!! Does anyone know any websites with live timing?

this is all you need...


Výsledky Rallye: Výsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=1)

[Luis Pacheco]

out of his confort zone

Funny to see the expression that is fashionable in Portugal today being applied in the rallye discussions. :)

[muscrae]

Any images other then this guys...??

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=365404716808382&set=a.132231900125666.27158.128304217185101&type=1&theater

[tfp]

this is all you need...


Výsledky Rallye: Výsledky on-line (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=1)

Ah, thankyou!

[big_sw2000]

Ah, thankyou!
or
Live times and positions | Best of Rally Live (http://www.best-of-rallylive.com/en/classements-en-direct-live-time-position/)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Latvala and Ford strikes back on SS2...

This is a proper Monte, no chance of Loeb/Citroen running away with it :D

[N.O.T]

ss03 under way...

[logic]

Latvala and Ford strikes back on SS2...

This is a proper Monte, no chance of Loeb/Citroen running away with it :D

It aint over till the fat lady sings .

[pantealex]

The 2WD cars in PWRC are group R cars.

No OldF, 2WD cars can be R- or n-group cars (Louise Cook is driving Fiesta ST n-group car)

4.3 ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS FOR CARS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE FIA PRODUCTION CAR
WORLD RALLY CHAMPIONSHIP (PWRC)
All cars must comply with the 2012 FIA Appendix J regulations for:
- Group N cars (Art. 254) or
- Group R cars (Art. 260 and Art. 260D).

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.ns ... ndices.pdf (http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/19C04E81DF0FF28EC125796F005E0D10/$FILE/2012%20WRC%20Sporting%20Regulations%20+%20Appendic es.pdf) (page 13)

No OldF, PWRC 2WD driver can use R or n car (Louise Cook is driving Fiesta ST n-group car)

[N.O.T]

Loeb finished...

No studs at all...1 side of the car soft the other supersoft.....

17 seconds faster than this morning.

[rage82]

Puncture for MIkko at the rear
edit; no puncture maybe he has hit something

[wwbroe]

Let's see what JML can do against that time of Seb

[N.O.T]

Hirovnen thought he had a puncture....he did not

Latvala great time just 0.4 slower.

[focus206]

Great time by Latvala! :)

[EightGear]

Solberg keeping up very nicely.

[wwbroe]

Great time by Jari Matti, wonder if he can keep this pace up right till the end of the rally. Amazingly fast i must say.

[denkimi]

solberg also on the pace, only 1.5 seconds slower than loeb.

[Jajá]

Petter just as quick! An exciting WRC 2012 start, indeed... :)

[OldF]

No OldF, PWRC 2WD driver can use R or n car (Louise Cook is driving Fiesta ST n-group car)

Zorry, my mistake. Article 254 is for both 2WD and 4WD cars.

[OldF]

No OldF, PWRC 2WD driver can use R or n car (Louise Cook is driving Fiesta ST n-group car)

Zorry, my mistake. Article 254 is for both 2WD and 4WD cars.

[Viking]

Petter seems to like the Ford..even with Latvala setup ;)

[spiderem]

great time for jml and peter...

[spiderem]

not so good hirvo time...

[Sulland]

Petter seems to like the Ford..even with Latvala setup ;)

Looks like he has let go of the high shoulders from this morning, and is starting to enjoy the Fiesta !!

[andyone]

hohohoho. loeb is in some trouble. only 0.4 seconds ahead of latvala on ss3. damn. loeb has to fly o cover those 30 seconds..

[wwbroe]

Wilson saying he felt better than in the morning, loosing "only" 1,5 minutes. Go home boy....

[andyone]

Wilson saying he felt better than in the morning, loosing "only" 1,5 minutes. Go home boy....
yeah i think he should go and find somthing els. rallying is not his Talent for sure. all those years of experience and he still hasn't ven won a stage. damn

[spiderem]

Wilson saying he felt better than in the morning, loosing "only" 1,5 minutes. Go home boy....

go fast home ;)

[Ucci]

not so good hirvo time...
Smart driving, the finish line is still very very far away....Tipical Hirvo's way of driving & scoring points. He will not risk anything, especially on the first day.

[EightGear]

Henning's bad luck continues...

[focus206]

Henning no brakes...

[mm1]

Problems for Henning, again, is it realy the car?

[wwbroe]

Henning saying there is something wrong again witrh the car, suddenly no more brakes. It is strange that it is allways his Fiesta that hits trouble, maybe it was better investment for "Go Fast Energy" to sponsor the Prodrive Mini instead of Wilslow and Henning.

[eestlane]

[quote="mm1"]Problems for Henning, again, is it realy the car?[

I think it,s beacouse the breaks are overheating and when they are overheating then theres no brakes.

[andyone]

Problems for Henning, again, is it realy the car?

is not about the car its the driver mate... pushing too much

[Miika]

What a coincidence, Henning has no brakes whereas Matthew has too much brakes.

[User]

yeah i think he should go and find somthing els. rallying is not his Talent for sure. all those years of experience and he still hasn't ven won a stage. damn

He actually won three stages. But mostly on sunday when the rest lifted or on SSS.

[MikeD]

Henning saying there is something wrong again witrh the car, suddenly no more brakes. It is strange that it is allways his Fiesta that hits trouble, maybe it was better investment for "Go Fast Energy" to sponsor the Prodrive Mini instead of Wilslow and Henning.

He always seem to have break problems on tarmac - could it be related to his driving style on tarmac?

[MikeD]

Ok time from Campana compared with his two tarmac rallies last year in Germany and France

[spiderem]

good time for campana

[DonJippo]

He always seem to have break problems on tarmac - could it be related to his driving style on tarmac?

So what you think? Ofcourse it's related to his driving style.

[Sulland]

So Delecour has tyres for the next stage, lets see if his friends in the mountains are correct!

Is this Hennings car: Is it V or U on the reg plate?
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http://ewrc-results.com/carinfo.php?cid=13&spz=280&t=Ford-Fiesta-RS-WRC-/-RRC

[Luis Pacheco]

Who continues in his comfort zone is Armindo.

Yesterday their press release said he was already going strong in Monte Carlo.

[denkimi]

is not about the car its the driver mate... pushing too much
I do not believe that, they are all pushing. so if henning overheats his brakes, latvalla en petter should have the same problem.

besides that, I don't even believe it is possible to overheat the brakes on a modern wrc car.

[OldF]

I do not believe that, they are all pushing. so if henning overheats his brakes, latvalla en petter should have the same problem.

besides that, I don't even believe it is possible to overheat the brakes on a modern wrc car.

Too much left foot braking.

[denkimi]

neuville is improving :D

more than a minute faster than this morning.

[EightGear]

Thierry Neuville fifth fastest! :)

[Martin Luijk]

So, when are we gone see Hirvonen replaced by Neuville? Next rally?

[MikeD]

So what you think? Ofcourse it's related to his driving style.

Just said it because there was a tendency to blame the car rather than the driver

[Doon]

I do not believe that, they are all pushing. so if henning overheats his brakes, latvalla en petter should have the same problem.

besides that, I don't even believe it is possible to overheat the brakes on a modern wrc car.

If you look at footage of Henning his brakes are always glowing orange (same colour as the car in previous season!!), and looking at in-car footage he always seems to cover the brakes more. Every time I saw him on WRGB this year the brakes were looking rather hot, front and rear, and looking through some old photos it was the same story. I think these overheating issues are due to Hennings (braking) heavy feet.

[N.O.T]

Good time by Neuville...he starts to realise this is not IRC anymore.

[N.O.T]

Ogier faster than Tanak again...

[wwbroe]

Very reasonable time for Thierry Neuville, improving a lot compared to first pass, let's not forget it is his first rally in WRC car.

[MikeD]

Hirvonen has reported break-problems with his DS3...

[Barreis]

Yeah, too much breaking.

[N.O.T]

Puncture for Arzeno...

Cook is probably out or she has not finished yet...

3 minutes was enough i think....right ?

[N.O.T]

Is Nombre trying to be that slow ? or is his natural ability ?

Please keep us informed about this driver as well along with the Al Rajhils and the rest...we need him in a WRC car so we can see him on the stages.

[Juha_Koo]

besides that, I don't even believe it is possible to overheat the brakes on a modern wrc car.

:D

[Brother John]

The future is apparently ready for the youth, what will the elders do with their future?

[RS]

Good time by Neuville...he starts to realise this is not IRC anymore.

Lol. What exactly would it take for you to respect drivers from the so-called "ladycup" more? Within three stages Neuville is trading stage times with guys who have been doing this for years and is 0.25 s/km slower than a mulitple world champion in the same car.

I predict a similar sort of trajectory to Neuville's career that Ogier has had.

[dimviii]

I do not believe that, they are all pushing. so if henning overheats his brakes, latvalla en petter should have the same problem.

besides that, I don't even believe it is possible to overheat the brakes on a modern wrc car.

it is possible,specially in Monte with pads can work at low temps.

[dimviii]

If you look at footage of Henning his brakes are always glowing orange (same colour as the car in previous season!!), and looking at in-car footage he always seems to cover the brakes more. Every time I saw him on WRGB this year the brakes were looking rather hot, front and rear, and looking through some old photos it was the same story. I think these overheating issues are due to Hennings (braking) heavy feet.

Thats right,as Wilsons ones.

[dimviii]

Good time by Neuville...he starts to realise this is not IRC anymore.
don t be harsh on him,first ss with wrc car.Citroen team manager wants only to finish and gain km from him.Lets talk about him at Saturday.

[N.O.T]

Lol. What exactly would it take for you to respect drivers from the so-called "ladycup" more? Within three stages Neuville is trading stage times with guys who have been doing this for years and is 0.25 s/km slower than a mulitple world champion in the same car.

I predict a similar sort of trajectory to Neuville's career that Ogier has had.

now that he is in the proper championship he has a future...

I respect IRC drivers but i keep things into context...

[N.O.T]

The future is apparently ready for the youth, what will the elders do with their future?

retirement home...

a fireplace...

telling WRC stories to their grandchildren...

that is the trajectory of life...

[Brother John]

it is possible,specially in Monte with pads can work at low temps.

I think "denkimi" has never driven a car or certainly not a fast car.

I'm really surprised with the result of Thierry Neuville.

[MikeD]

A quick question to the Dutch. Is it correct that it's Van Merksteijn Senior in Monte Carlo and it will be Junior i Sweden?

[dimviii]

I think "denkimi" has never driven a car or certainly not a fast car.

I'm really surprised with the result of Thierry Neuville.

You haven t notice Breen result at ss3,thats why you ve impressed from Thierrys time.

[Roy]

A quick question to the Dutch. Is it correct that it's Van Merksteijn Senior in Monte Carlo and it will be Junior i Sweden?

yes, you are right

[NiekJ]

A quick question to the Dutch. Is it correct that it's Van Merksteijn Senior in Monte Carlo and it will be Junior i Sweden?

Correct

[N.O.T]

It will be interesting to see Latvala creating the braking points and entry lines for the rest to follow for the first time in his career on tarmac surface...If of course chooses to do that.

i hope he can cope well.

[Barreis]

Don't think he'll lead at the end of today's leg.

[N.O.T]

Don't think he'll lead at the end of today's leg.

only if he chooses not to...

[denkimi]

I think "denkimi" has never driven a car or certainly not a fast car.

I'm really surprised with the result of Thierry Neuville.
I have indeed never driven a top class racing car. I base this on the blog of antony warmbold.
WRC behind the stages: Chapter 6: Analysis, Paralysis (http://wrcbehindthestages.blogspot.com/2011/04/chapter-6-analysis-paralysis.html)

Fact is in today's WRC car, the brakes are very, very hard to overheat. Our DS3000 FERODO pads were pre-heated by the factory, so unless your discs were brand new, no need to do any pre-heating at all on the road-section. I remember stages like the Bastellica stage in Corsica, 40 km of which the 15 last were steep downhill, without even a hint of a brake problem.

and since his experiences are from 6 years ago, I assume they have made progress on this and the brakes are even better.

[JTGANG]

Breen correct time at SS 3 seems that is 25:02 and not 24:02 which is writen in ewrc-results

[EightGear]

You haven t notice Breen result at ss3,thats why you ve impressed from Thierrys time.

Please note that Breen's time on SS3 is wrong on EWRC. He is one minute slower.

[N.O.T]

I have indeed never driven a top class racing car. I base this on the blog of antony warmbold.
WRC behind the stages: Chapter 6: Analysis, Paralysis (http://wrcbehindthestages.blogspot.com/2011/04/chapter-6-analysis-paralysis.html)


you should have picked a better source...WRC cars behave far differently when they go full speed and when they are driven by B-C class drivers...

[RS]

Wilson and Henning seem to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. Is the M-Sport customer car really that different from Latvala and Solbergs? I can't think that Papa Wilson would give Matty a substandard car to make him look even worse that he already is.

[Barreis]

No. :D

[eestlane]

jml rolled

[pettersolberg29]

JML rolled?

[Miika]

F me.

[Wasted Talent]

only if he chooses not to...

Looks like he has chosen not to.........

WT

[N.O.T]

Oh come one now..... :( :( :(

[EightGear]

Oh damn it!!

[Barreis]

:D

[dimviii]

Breen correct time at SS 3 seems that is 25:02 and not 24:02 which is writen in ewrc-results

Just noticed this error too.

[N.O.T]

Not a good start of the season....

[pettersolberg29]

JML and Anttila are ok for those who can't hear WRR

[andyone]

aaaaaah Game over for Latvala..... damn. no fun for me no more for montecarlo. enjoy the race guys..

[dimviii]

I have indeed never driven a top class racing car. I base this on the blog of antony warmbold.
WRC behind the stages: Chapter 6: Analysis, Paralysis (http://wrcbehindthestages.blogspot.com/2011/04/chapter-6-analysis-paralysis.html)


and since his experiences are from 6 years ago, I assume they have made progress on this and the brakes are even better.

in corsica you use different pads from frozen Monte.

[N.O.T]

:D

Barreis you have a nice sense of humor, but you should not be happy with accidents....it is too hateful :(

[Barreis]

Not happy of accident, just knew Latvala's ability to drive under 1st team's driver preasure.

[denkimi]

so now its all about solberg and sordo.

[N.O.T]

Not happy of accident, just knew Latvala's ability to drive under 1st team's driver preasure.

ok then....

Lets hope his mentality is not affected we need people with the attitude of Latvala in the sport and less with the one of Hirvonen.

[N.O.T]

Loeb 1 minute 10 seconds faster than Latvalas morning time !!! far less snow then i guess...

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen 1:30 slower.......

pffft....

[Lalo]

Too bad JML rolled! I was keen on seeing where this could end up like. Maybe Petter can fight a bit against Loeb :D

[Red bull]

Breen correct time at SS 3 seems that is 25:02 and not 24:02 which is writen in ewrc-results

I was really surprised by his times!

[bretddog]

Crap.. And it looked a bit odd they changed tyre strategy after gaining so much in first loop.

[Sarac330d]

Loeb 2 minutes faster than this morning on same SS!

[Red bull]

Breen correct time at SS 3 seems that is 25:02 and not 24:02 which is writen in ewrc-results

I was really surprised by his times! :confused:

[Brother John]

I have indeed never driven a top class racing car. I base this on the blog of antony warmbold.

You can sit with me for a ride in the woods or on ice and snow. then I'll show you that braking could quickly become too hot.

[dimviii]

Not a good start of the season....

Really not a good start.Loeb wasn t slow today morning,just safe inside the road.Hope Jari can continue from psychological view as number 1.
Its not easy to beat Loeb in asphalt.

[N.O.T]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "Quite tricky, I'm happy to be here. We had broken brake disc on rear, tried to repair on road section."

that explains the cars behaviour on previous stage

from

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=1

[EightGear]

And Solberg losing almost a minute.......

[dimviii]

Hirvonen 1:30 slower.......

pffft....

Fiesta was the problem according to ford fans last year.....not the drivers....just the ds3 was veeeery fast....and Loeb was fast cause the ds3..

[dimviii]

And Solberg losing almost a minute.......

Same as last year with semi-work car? wasn t his ds3 detuned from Loebs ds3? Now with works car same? strange...