2011 Canadian GP

[Ranger]

Vettel is now a true champion - first man (and probably not the last) into the wall of champions this weekend. After Turkey I don't think it'll derail him in the slightest though.

Hamilton will probably be up there pacewise, he has always done well at Montreal, 2008 lunacy aside.

Very much look forward to this race, it has never disappointed since I started watching. :up:

[Robinho]

not only did Vettel stuff the red bull into the wall of champions, but watch the video in the link for the first marshall over the wall to try to get to the car in the video on the BBC website (sorry non UK members, you may be able to find the vid elsewhere). This has to be the funniest thing i've seen in F1 for a while (not Vettel, but the marshall)

BBC Sport - Sebastian Vettel crashes out in Canada as Nico Rosberg goes quickest (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13731713.stm)

[Bagwan]

I didn't see the funny guy , but something else drew my attention to some video on youtube .

He seemed to stop very quickly as he stared to slide along the wall .
It looked like , perhaps he perforated the skin of the barrier , and it "hooked" him to a halt really fast .

Had he been going faster , it might have been uglier .
Does anybody know the make-up of that particular barrier right there , other than it's apparent magnetism ?
It looks to be a tarp sort of thing on the surface .

[UltimateDanGTR]

blast! seb was sposed to bin it in the race, not practice!

[AndyL]

He seemed to stop very quickly as he stared to slide along the wall .
It looked like , perhaps he perforated the skin of the barrier , and it "hooked" him to a halt really fast .

I did spot Vettel inspecting the front right after he got out of the car, that may be what he was looking at.

[jonny hurlock]

Sergio Perez will miss this race, replace by Pedro De la Rosa

[AndyL]

Sergio Perez will miss this race, replace by Pedro De la Rosa

Still suffering the after-effects of the concussion he received in Monaco apparently.

[ioan]

Kobayashi spicing things up with a stupid accident.

[Roamy]

I can't believe he walked from that hit - it was brutal - says a lot about the cars now.

[ioan]

D'Ambrosio copies Kobayashi. Another red flag coming?!

[ioan]

Hamy gets a puncture.

[Robinho]

eventful practice session, some big accidents and loads of grass tracking

[N4D13]

Sergio Perez will miss this race, replace by Pedro De la Rosa
I've heard that he's racing in McLaren overalls - anyone got a picture?

[steveaki13]

All happening in Practice.

Should be a good race.

I have a feeling though the DRS may give us too many easy passes again. Another race that doesn't need the system.

I also laughed hard when I saw the marshall fall over.
I have to also add, the way he fell made me feel sorry for him.

[F1boat]

I keep my fingers crossed for Ferrari and Alonso!

[UltimateDanGTR]

Sergio Perez will miss this race, replace by Pedro De la Rosa

or as Legard would call him, pedro dlrosa.

Shame Esteban Gutierrez didn't get a chance, a driver I rate highly, but dlR has the advantage of experience I suppose.

[truefan72]

or as Legard would call him, pedro dlrosa.

Shame Esteban Gutierrez didn't get a chance, a driver I rate highly, but dlR has the advantage of experience I suppose.

Gutierrez wasn't in Canada he was back racing in mexico

some might argue that sauber should have had the 3rd driver there anyway, but they thought Perez was good to go
PDLR was an easy choice to fill that vacancy, given that he was familiar with the car already.

[Sonic]

Anyone got PDLR in FGP?

As for Pedro himself, he's a bigger man than me obviously - I'd have told Peter to go jump.

[UltimateDanGTR]

Gutierrez wasn't in Canada he was back racing in mexico



really? I must have missed that, as I assumed Esteban was in Canada since he's come out and mentioned his dissapointment at not getting the drive. The fact that he was in mexico justifies the choice of Pedro rather well then.

[wedge]

Who said F1 cars are easy to drive these days?

[Sonic]

Wooops for Pedro.

[AndyL]

Yet more KERS problems for Red Bull, a session lost for Webber.

[Rollo]

"The main part of the story is that 50p pieces aren't round, they're heptacular"
- Martin Brundle, during Q1 - Canadian GP, 11-6-11

[truefan72]

eddie jordan talking nonsense as usual in between q1-q2

[Sonic]

McLaren may have shot themselves in the foot by setting themselves up for the (possible) rain on race day.

Time and time again we've seen the only maxim that works in racing is maximise you speed for the conditions as they are at that moment in time. Even if its wet, starting from row 3 and 4 leaves them open to shunts.

I may be proved wrong (for the sake of the championship I hope I am) but I can only see another Seb win at this rate.

[Cooper_S]

Happy 21st Seb...


Q3
1. Sebastian Vettel 1m13.014s
2. Fernando Alonso 1m13.199s + 0.185
3. Felipe Massa 1m13.217s + 0.203
4. Mark Webber 1m13.429s + 0.415
5. Lewis Hamilton 1m13.565s + 0.551
6. Nico Rosberg 1m13.814s + 0.800
7. Jenson Button 1m13.838s + 0.824
8. Michael Schumacher 1m13.864s + 0.850
9. Nick Heidfeld 1m14.062s + 1.048
10. Vitaly Petrov 1m14.085s + 1.071
Q2
11. Paul di Resta 1m14.752s + 1.321
12. Pastor Maldonado 1m15.043s + 1.612
13. Kamui Kobayashi 1m15.285s + 1.854
14. Adrian Sutil 1m15.287s + 1.856
15. Sebastien Buemi 1m15.334s + 1.903
16. Rubens Barrichello 1m15.361s + 1.930
17. Pedro de la Rosa 1m15.587s + 2.156
Q1
18. Jaime Alguersuari 1m16.294s + 2.472
19. Jarno Trulli 1m16.745s + 2.923
20. Heikki Kovalainen 1m16.786s + 2.964
21. Tonio Liuzzi 1m18.424s + 4.602
22. Timo Glock 1m18.537s + 4.715
23. Narain Karthikeyan 1m18.574s + 4.752
24. Jerome D'Ambrosio 1m19.414s + 5.592

[Cooper_S]

McLaren may have shot themselves in the foot by setting themselves up for the (possible) rain on race day....

I can only see another Seb win at this rate.

Or McLaren will prove to be genius... wait and see... as for another Seb win, with Alonso on form I don't know.

[AndyL]

How many practice crashes do we reckon it would take to keep Vettel off pole? 2, 3, 4?

[Cooper_S]

well had he had his 1 in FP3 and not FP1 it might have effected him more.

[Roamy]

Gutierrez wasn't in Canada he was back racing in mexico

some might argue that sauber should have had the 3rd driver there anyway, but they thought Perez was good to go
PDLR was an easy choice to fill that vacancy, given that he was familiar with the car already.
it is a 4 hour flight truefan - sauber sucks as usual

[truefan72]

it is a 4 hour flight truefan - sauber sucks as usual

1. he would have missed q2
2. he has never driven in montreal
3. I don't think he has ever driven the 2011 sauber
4. PDLR has both the knowledge of the team and the track

yeah, they should have had the 3d driver there and be more prepared for the possibility that perez wasn't going to be ready, but given the choice between PDLR and Gutierrez I would have given the drive to the former rather than throw the latter into the deep end with no experience with the car, let alone competing in F1

however it came about, IMO it was the right decision
This weekend was not the time to give him his shot out of sympathy.
If he had participated in friday practices then I might have reconsidered

[airshifter]

McLaren may have shot themselves in the foot by setting themselves up for the (possible) rain on race day.

Time and time again we've seen the only maxim that works in racing is maximise you speed for the conditions as they are at that moment in time. Even if its wet, starting from row 3 and 4 leaves them open to shunts.

I may be proved wrong (for the sake of the championship I hope I am) but I can only see another Seb win at this rate.

With at least some rain expected, it could prove to be genius as well. One of the guys from SpeedTV made a comment that the McLaren was down almost 10 mph over even some middle of the pack cars on the long straights. Considering that setup, they did well today in qually. Even if it doesn't rain that extra downforce might help keep them out of trouble and give more opportunity to attack. Canada causes a lot of off line incidents in the chicances and hairpins. I don't think I would count McLaren out of the game yet for this weekend.

Great showing by Ferrari as well. Alonso barely got in front of Felipe.

As usual Sebastian showing real form.

[AndyL]

With at least some rain expected, it could prove to be genius as well. One of the guys from SpeedTV made a comment that the McLaren was down almost 10 mph over even some middle of the pack cars on the long straights. Considering that setup, they did well today in qually. Even if it doesn't rain that extra downforce might help keep them out of trouble and give more opportunity to attack.

But surely they will be sitting ducks to be overtaken on the straights... but on the other hand with double DRS, maybe everyone will be sitting ducks anyway, regardless of downforce levels, so I see your point.

[Mark]

It is possibly an interesting tactic to put on bit more
wing for the corners since you can take it off on the straights. Maybe !

[Bagwan]

Some have it figured that the Macs have a wet set-up , and others have it that they had too long a seventh gear , due to the wind direction change .
Wind is expected to be the same as qualifying , so the big gear may again compromise the top end , a so , could be a bad thing .
And rain is expected , so the suspected rain set-up may help , and be a good thing .


Maybe more importantly , Lewis is again , albeit not as far , down the field , and pi$$ed at not getting pole , where he's sat for the last three he's raced here , so there may be some "mist" in the air , not just rain .

[Zico]

McLaren may have shot themselves in the foot by setting themselves up for the (possible) rain on race day.

Time and time again we've seen the only maxim that works in racing is maximise you speed for the conditions as they are at that moment in time. Even if its wet, starting from row 3 and 4 leaves them open to shunts.

I may be proved wrong (for the sake of the championship I hope I am) but I can only see another Seb win at this rate.

I've just seen a pic of the weather in Montreal this morning, its had steady light rain so far.. (pic taken by Jake Humphreys 1 hr 24 mins ago) Still a long time before race start though..

yfrog Photo : http://yfrog.com/kho1vnj Shared by jakehumphreyf1 (http://yfrog.com/kho1vnj)

[steveaki13]

still raining I think according to people there.

Could be a safety car start.

[N4D13]

De la Rosa has just said in TV that that time when he kissed the wall in Q1, it was because he pushed the button for DRS instead of KERS. Taking that into account, he was extremely lucky that he didn't have a big crash there.

[AndyL]

Has D'Ambrosio been allowed to start?

Edit - just heard MB saying he has.

[F1boat]

Now it's dry and no info, no news... a bit shameful really, if the race is cancelled. It was dangerous before, now it is simply wet. Are they running only dry races now? :(

[donKey jote]

just call the bloody thing off and give us back our 2 hours of wasted Sunday :p

[steveaki13]

I have to go to work in 11 hours

[ioan]

Race to be restarted in 14 minutes.

[steveaki13]

Its going to rain again. Oh No

I can't take it

[ioan]

just call the bloody thing off and give us back our 2 hours of wasted Sunday :p
Right.
Got home at 20:00 and wanted to check the result, to my surprise I might still see the race.

[steveaki13]

Hoorah my 1000th post.

Just noticed the fact

[steveaki13]

congrats ;)

Thanks I'm so proud. :p

Just another 30'000 to be in the lead :dozey:

[ioan]

Thanks I'm so proud. :p

Just another 30'000 to be in the lead :dozey:
:laugh: :up:

[F1boat]

More and more SC laps. I am ashamed that I follow this stuff. Pinnacle of motorsport my a$$.

[ioan]

More and more SC laps. I am ashamed that I follow this stuff. Pinnacle of motorsport my a$$.

This time you can thank Alonso for it.

[ioan]

More and more SC laps. I am ashamed that I follow this stuff. Pinnacle of motorsport my a$$.

Btw this is the GP with most laps completed under SC in F1 history.

[F1boat]

LOL. Well done, Jenson, although the stewards may disagree with the result.

[Garry Walker]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Shame Rapunzel didnt put it in the wall there, but I am really laughing hard.


This time you can thank Alonso for it.

Well, we can also thank Rapunzel for crying before the Red Flag about how horrible the conditions were. If it is too dangerous for Rapunzel, he needs to retire.

[UltimateDanGTR]

what an incredible race, once it eventually got going again.

let's hope the stewards see that Fred was completely responsible for his own demise, as changing this result in such a race would be very harsh IMO.

[AndyL]

What's the most pit stops anyone's made and still won?

[Ranger]

Its 7:15AM, I've been up half the night and I'm completely buggered.

And it was worth it, great racing when we got it! :D

First last-lap pass for victory since Suzuka 2005?

EDIT: But they should still scrap the DRS.

[steveaki13]

Good race, but I feel Schumacher should have been on the podium today to claim a Pot.

To much SC but there you go.

Also this must be up there with longest gap between start of the race and crossing the finish line.

Anyone know if there have been many longer.

I suppose Korea must be close, I forget how long that stoppage was.

[52Paddy]

What a thrilling race! It was filled with action when the racing was going on (and the safety car wasn't touring around). It has left so many talking points and showcased the ability of some drivers (notably Schumacher, Kobayashi and Di Resta). While I'm still on the fence about DRS, it must be noted that for the first half of the race, or so, DRS was not enabled and we still got some great action. I really think Pirelli have hit the nail on the head with regard to tyres. DRS does add another dilemma but I don't think it's needed to 'spice up the show'. The show seems to be spicing up fairly nicely as is :up: Maybe we've just entered an era of competitive racing again :D

[steveaki13]

Di Resta looked older than his years early on and looked a class act, but then a rookie mistake again in contact with Heidfeld, from which he should learn.

Not sure what happened to him at the end, didn't see a replay.

[steveaki13]

Chucking it down with rain again in Canada now apparently.

[AndyL]

Both the Button-Hamilton and Button-Alonso incidents have been ruled racing incidents, no further action to be taken.

Verdicts in documents 46 and 47 from the FIA on-event info page:
On Event Information (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/f1_media/Pages/on_event.aspx)

Edit: sorry just noticed JBB posted the same info on another thread.

[pino]

What an exciting race (although it ended as a disaster for Ferrari), I enjoyed every single moment :up:

[ioan]

What an exciting race (although it ended as a disaster for Ferrari), I enjoyed every single moment :up:

Even the two hours in between?

[steveaki13]

Even the two hours in between?

Best bit, no silly DRS action.

[AndyL]

Best bit, no silly DRS action.

Plus David and Martin's Ornithology Hour.

[schmenke]

The problem is reliance on aero-grip. Wider tires and wider cars would allow passing in somewhere other than braking zones at the end of long straights.

Speaking of braking, get rid of carbon fibre brakes and a return to steel would help too.

Just my two cents...

Carry on.

[555-04Q2]

Speaking of braking, get rid of carbon fibre brakes and a return to steel would help too.

:up: Longer braking distances mean a greater chance to outbrake someone.....and pass them :up:

[Daniel]

The problem is reliance on aero-grip. Wider tires and wider cars would allow passing in somewhere other than braking zones at the end of long straights.

Speaking of braking, get rid of carbon fibre brakes and a return to steel would help too.

Just my two cents...

Carry on.

Agreed. No need for DRS then at all :)

[UltimateDanGTR]

The problem is reliance on aero-grip. Wider tires and wider cars would allow passing in somewhere other than braking zones at the end of long straights.

Speaking of braking, get rid of carbon fibre brakes and a return to steel would help too.

Just my two cents...

Carry on.

Good suggestions. As the cars are, DRS is just a solution that should make up for the grip lost from following a car, but reducing that grip loss should be the aim.

Not just what you said, but if we make sure that wings are made to produce far less downforce without looking stupidly small (apparently the hanford device did this) and have some stringent ground effects allowances, this would also help.

[pino]

Even the two hours in between?

Yes, I played DiRT3 (Finland on a Audi Quattro Group B) very exciting :D