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Roamy
6th June 2011, 17:51
I guess if we are still wondering about why the Pales won't accept a peace deal, we no longer have to wonder. I have seen many stupid people but I have to admit these MFs in the middle east are at the top. I watched the unarmed Pales rush the border fence with armed soldiers pointing guns at them. So 20 or so were killed. Are these people freaking nuts. What is even more scary is that they have nukes in some of these countries ie Pakistan, iran (coming). Syria and other countries are the same. Can you even imagine the Middle East after the oil boom it will become total anarchy if it hasn't already.

Brown, Jon Brow
6th June 2011, 17:56
I blame Allah.

Mark
6th June 2011, 17:57
I blame Alain.

Brown, Jon Brow
6th June 2011, 17:58
I blame Alain.

Prost or Menu?

Mark
6th June 2011, 18:22
Prost or Menu?

Both! :mad:

Mark
6th June 2011, 18:35
And the poor ostrich died for nothing :(

Captain VXR
6th June 2011, 20:20
Who or what are 'Pales' - is it the white equivalent of 'darky'? :p
To be honest, Palestine and Israel need regime changes to people who have the mental capacity to decide what land is who's and to not attack each other.

Eki
6th June 2011, 20:45
I guess if we are still wondering about why the Pales won't accept a peace deal, we no longer have to wonder. I have seen many stupid people but I have to admit these MFs in the middle east are at the top. I watched the unarmed Pales rush the border fence with armed soldiers pointing guns at them. So 20 or so were killed. Are these people freaking nuts. What is even more scary is that they have nukes in some of these countries ie Pakistan, iran (coming). Syria and other countries are the same. Can you even imagine the Middle East after the oil boom it will become total anarchy if it hasn't already.
Palestinians have nukes in Pakistan and Iran? That's certainly news to me. As far as I know, they don't even have oil.

Captain VXR
6th June 2011, 21:07
Palestinians have nukes in Pakistan and Iran? That's certainly news to me. As far as I know, they don't even have oil.
They have oil.










Olive oil.

donKey jote
6th June 2011, 21:40
They have oil.
Olive oil.
So does Spain (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-subconsciously-sizes-up-spain-for-invasion,151/) :p

Captain VXR
6th June 2011, 21:57
So does Spain (http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-subconsciously-sizes-up-spain-for-invasion,151/) :p

Nuke'em goddamned terrrrrrrrrrrrrsts :p

Bob Riebe
6th June 2011, 22:59
It wasn't that long ago wave after wave of allied regiments ran across the artillery pitted area known as 'no mans land' into certain death to gain something as small as a few feet on the enemy. Even civilized countries have influence from people who don't have a clue or to the outsider, 'stupid'. We are just a little more cultured and civilized now.. :) So that is why if one is in need another must pass for fear of being sued should a miracle not happen, or being charged as a pedophile should one touch a child wrongly whilst trying to resue the child.
A more civilized nation is only as good as its morals, otherwise it is merely a word for people to claim how much better they are than others.

Being sued at the drop of a pin, for anothers profit, or being charged as a pedophile for being a stranger trying to escort a lost child home, or because of some psycho-babbling psychiatrist or psychologist told the person he/she had to have been molested because the professional wanted it that way, makes our current "more civilized" world appear to be to merely a bunch of self-centered, self-righteous savages out for blood, no-no the new standard, money.

rah
7th June 2011, 01:26
And the poor ostrich died for nothing :(

Best reply of the day

Rollo
7th June 2011, 03:28
I guess if we are still wondering about why the Pales won't accept a peace deal, we no longer have to wonder.

The State of Palestine was declared in 1988 when the PLO's (Palestine Liberation Organization) National Council adopted the Palestinian Declaration of Independence. The PLO itself was/is a terrorist organisation.

The main faction of the PLO is Fatah founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959, which has in its charter:
Article 12:
Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.

The other major faction of the PLO is Hamas which at the moment governs the Gaza Strip. It has in its charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
...
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

The Palestinians will never accept a peace deal because the two main factions which run the government, refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the State of Israel, despite themselves being a remnant of a terrorist organisation which was itself rejected by it's neighbours (namely Jordan and Lebanon).

There will never be an answer to this.

airshifter
7th June 2011, 03:56
The State of Palestine was declared in 1988 when the PLO's (Palestine Liberation Organization) National Council adopted the Palestinian Declaration of Independence. The PLO itself was/is a terrorist organisation.

The main faction of the PLO is Fatah founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959, which has in its charter:
Article 12:
Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.

The other major faction of the PLO is Hamas which at the moment governs the Gaza Strip. It has in its charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
...
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

The Palestinians will never accept a peace deal because the two main factions which run the government, refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the State of Israel, despite themselves being a remnant of a terrorist organisation which was itself rejected by it's neighbours (namely Jordan and Lebanon).

There will never be an answer to this.


If any of us "Mericans had said that, we would be labled rednecks, myopic, zionist, peace hating, etc, etc.

It is difficult to negotiate peace with people who oppose your very right to exist.

Roamy
7th June 2011, 08:19
The State of Palestine was declared in 1988 when the PLO's (Palestine Liberation Organization) National Council adopted the Palestinian Declaration of Independence. The PLO itself was/is a terrorist organisation.

The main faction of the PLO is Fatah founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959, which has in its charter:
Article 12:
Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.

The other major faction of the PLO is Hamas which at the moment governs the Gaza Strip. It has in its charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
...
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

The Palestinians will never accept a peace deal because the two main factions which run the government, refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the State of Israel, despite themselves being a remnant of a terrorist organisation which was itself rejected by it's neighbours (namely Jordan and Lebanon).

There will never be an answer to this.

So Rollo I would consider that as a ultimatum - that would mean Israel should start killing all that don't accept them as a nation. I suppose in the future the big war will come as these people are just plain fu__king stupid. The stupid Pales should be building resorts on the coast. Have you been to Tel Aviv - its like southern california. with a better ocean. I guess it just gets back to the old saying "religion is no good for the masses"

555-04Q2
7th June 2011, 11:33
And the poor ostrich died for nothing :(

But they make brilliant Biltong :) ( Thats Beef Jerky, so you Yanks understand )

GridGirl
7th June 2011, 12:21
Tastes like chicken? ;) :p

Eki
7th June 2011, 14:08
So Rollo I would consider that as a ultimatum - that would mean Israel should start killing all that don't accept them as a nation. I suppose in the future the big war will come as these people are just plain fu__king stupid. The stupid Pales should be building resorts on the coast. Have you been to Tel Aviv - its like southern california. with a better ocean. I guess it just gets back to the old saying "religion is no good for the masses"
Palestinians don't have much coast, unlike Israel. And do you imagine that someone would have a vacation in Gaza while Israel bombs it on regular basis?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png/300px-West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png

Roamy
7th June 2011, 17:08
Palestinians don't have much coast, unlike Israel. And do you imagine that someone would have a vacation in Gaza while Israel bombs it on regular basis?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6a/West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png/300px-West_Bank_%26_Gaza_Map_2007_%28Settlements%29.png

Yes Rollo it would give a new twist to vacationing :) On the other hand they could make peace and wouldn't get bombed

Malbec
7th June 2011, 19:17
The State of Palestine was declared in 1988 when the PLO's (Palestine Liberation Organization) National Council adopted the Palestinian Declaration of Independence. The PLO itself was/is a terrorist organisation.

The main faction of the PLO is Fatah founded by Yasser Arafat in 1959, which has in its charter:
Article 12:
Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.

The other major faction of the PLO is Hamas which at the moment governs the Gaza Strip. It has in its charter:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
...
"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

The Palestinians will never accept a peace deal because the two main factions which run the government, refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of the State of Israel, despite themselves being a remnant of a terrorist organisation which was itself rejected by it's neighbours (namely Jordan and Lebanon).

IIRC Fatah which is what the PLO calls itself now recognised Israel and its right to exist when it signed up to the Oslo peace accords. They rewrote the charter that you posted which is now obsolete. That is why the Israelis have no problems negotiating with Fatah.

Hamas still claims that it wants to wipe out Israel but its actions in Gaza often run counter to this claim. They deal directly with Israel every day even if most of it is regarding mundane things such as garbage and sewage disposal or buying clean drinking water. That would not be possible if it did not recognise the Israeli state on a practical level. Also their actions cracking down on groups that attack Israel would also indicate that killing Israelis is not currently their priority.

Roamy
7th June 2011, 19:46
Qaddafi Vows to Fight to Death After NATO Airstrikes

Here is another idiot - they agreed to give him a ton of cash and move him out to a safe location. But oh no - don't give me millions and millions a gorgeous home on the water, with tons of whores - just blow my fu___king head off instead. How did this freaking idiot even get to run a country

Bob Riebe
7th June 2011, 20:03
Qaddafi Vows to Fight to Death After NATO Airstrikes

Here is another idiot - they agreed to give him a ton of cash and move him out to a safe location. But oh no - don't give me millions and millions a gorgeous home on the water, with tons of whores - just blow my fu___king head off instead. How did this freaking idiot even get to run a countryIt is his country, his citizens are fighting for and against him, we have no damn business wasting money there much less killing people who had no intention of killing us.
Obama the feckless said he went there to stop Qaddafi from killing citizens-- mean while- in Syria- citizens are being killed and the feckless one sits with his thumb up his butt.
I wish he had sat on his thumb in Libya also.

As I said his country, he was bothering no one, so we had no right to tell him to do anything.
He was trained in military matters by the British and maybe they trained too well.

Garry Walker
8th June 2011, 21:59
Just going by the thread title, why have you dedicated a thread to labour and liberal democrats voters?