Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

[jbmarcus21]

Full program is now out with Timetable and Google Earth Map http://bit.ly/fnmprQ

[CABAIO E'LONA]

very thanks you jbmarcus21, your site is magnific...

[carlos lelis]

Thanks man, will be very usefull.

[jbmarcus21]

Thank u very much ;)

[kobefly]

WRC finally in Argentina!

Itinerary
1) Thu 26| 15:05 - SS Carlos Paz [3,02km]
2) Fri 27| 9:36 - El Mirador / San Lorenzo [18,23km]
3) Fri 27| 10:08 - Mina Clavero / Guilio Cesare [22,67km]
4) Fri 27| 11:01 - El Cóndor / Cuesta Blanca [37,32km]
5) Fri 27| 15:17 - El Mirador / San Lorenzo [18,23km]
6) Fri 27| 15:49 - Mina Clavero / Guilio Cesare [22,67km]
7) Fri 27| 16:42 - El Cóndor / Cuesta Blanca [37,32km]
8) Sat 28| 8:13 - Las Jarrillas / Falda del Cármen [21,57km]
9) Sat 28| 9:46 - Las Bajadas / Villa del Dique [16,57km]
10) Sat 28| 10:32 - Amboy / Santa Mónica [20,33km]
11) Sat 28| 11:13 - Santa Rosa / San Agustín [21,36km]
12) Sat 28| 14:08 - Las Jarrillas / Falda del Cármen [21,57km]
13) Sat 28| 15:41 - Las Bajadas / Villa del Dique [16,57km]
14) Sat 28| 16:27 - Amboy / Santa Mónica [20,33km]
15) Sat 28| 17:08 - Santa Rosa / San Agustín [21,36km]
16) Sun 29| 8:09 - Ascochinga / Agua de Oro [48,21km]
17) Sun 29| 10:27 - Cabalango / Villa García [3,9km]
18) Sun 29| 11:38 - SS Carlos Paz [3,02km]
19) Sun 29| 12:10 - Cabalango / Villa García [3,9km]


WRC Entry List
1) Loeb [Citroen]
2) Ogier [Citroen]
3) Hirvonen [Ford]
4) Latvala [Ford]
5) Wilson [Ford]
6) Ostberg [Ford]
7) Villagra [Ford]
8) Solberg, P. [Citroen]
9) Oliveira [Mini]
10) Van Merksteijn [Citroen]
11) Solberg, H. [Ford]
12) Block [Ford]

[Hartusvuori]

16) Sun 29| 8:09 - Ascochinga / Agua de Oro [48,21km]

Now we're talking!

[jbmarcus21]

Entry list is out http://bit.ly/fnmprQ

[Barreis]

What to do until the next WRC?!

[Hartusvuori]

What to do until the next WRC?!

Eurovision Song Contest!

[AP-Racing]

Interesting compare new WRC with Maxi Rally

[pantealex]

Eurovision Song Contest!
or IRC Corsica

[Barreis]

That's better.

[Solberg]

Interesting compare new WRC with Maxi Rally
hehehe WRC are much faster than the Maxi Rally, they will try to compete with the N4,
it's a pity that no S2000 will come, so we wont be able to compare maxi rally with the more developed S2000 cars


Unfortunately the fastest S2000 drivers such as pozzo, Menzi, Villagra, Baldoni, Dominguez will not run
Ligato is the faster of the maxi rally, pilots that will compete, and perhaps Juan Marchetto, if he can adapt to the new car

[tolis]

Entries: http://www.rallyargentina.com/2011/competidores/inscriptos

[Motorsportfun]

Eurovision Song Contest!

2nd for Italy, yeahhh! :D

Btw, I agree... it will be interesting to compare the new Maxi Rally cars!

[Hartusvuori]

2nd for Italy, yeahhh! :D

And twentyFIRST for Finland :-)

[tfp]

And twentyFIRST for Finland :-)

Haha! I dont know where GB come, as I couldnt be bothered to watch it. :D

[Barreis]

Waste of time. :D

[kobefly]

Bad news:


Henning Solberg is set to contest the World Rally Championship until at least the end of 2012. However, the Norwegian will skip the next round of the series in Argentina in order to finalise his programme with new sponsor Ludo.

WRC.com

[General Prim]

Now the stage finish about one kilometre before, so no scenery with the big rocks.....

[Zeakiwi]

Watch out for the horses in Argentina - wrc competitors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrCHLqit2K8&NR=1&feature=fvwp

[General Prim]

Thank you to Michèle Mouton, now the usual end of Giulio Cesare is back!

Merci!

[ProRally]

Thank you to Michèle Mouton, now the usual end of Giulio Cesare is back!

Merci!

More explanation please.....

[bluuford]

So, shakedown starts in 4 hours.
To convert yourself to the correct timezone:
Shakedown starts at:
14:00 (Estonia, Latvia, Finland, Bulgaria, Romania, Greece.. Eastern Europe)+6 hours
13:00 (Poland, Germany, France, Spain .. Central Europe)+5 hours
12:00 (GB, Portugal..) +4hours

First stage: 21:05 or 20:05 or 19:05 (same zones)

[AndyRAC]

WRC same weekend as Monaco and Indy 500.....hmmm....not great planning.

[Hartusvuori]

WRC same weekend as Monaco and Indy 500.....hmmm....not great planning.

What are those?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Any shakedown times ?

[rage82]

Citroën Racing
Shakedown. Loeb and Ogier back in Service Park after 2 runs in 6.23 km shakedown.
No times yet!

[Hartusvuori]

Gerard Quinn tweets that SD is stopped at the moment due to spectator cars parked to close to the stage.

[Tom206wrc]

WRC same weekend as Monaco and Indy 500.....hmmm....not great planning.

The worse is F1...when there is, medias prefer to attend it rather than rally :mad:

[pettersolberg29]

JML and Petter delayed:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91727

[Bobcat]

1- Hirvonen 4.46.3, 2- Ogier 4.48.1, 3- Loeb 4.48.2, 4- Ostberg 4.48.8, 5- Villagra 4.48.9...

[dimviii]

Οgier fastest
http://www.wrc.com/news/ogier-tops-argentina-shakedown/?fid=14750

[N.O.T]

seems that the ford team didn't manage to solve the high altitude issues...its only shakedown but it looks like it.

[Raini]

Henning missing in Start List?

[pantealex]

Results are coming too slowly...
Boring!

[Raini]

Henning missing in Start List?

reason:
http://www.biser3a.com/rally/henning-solberg-will-not-contest-in-wrc-argentina-2011/

[alleskids]

Henning is skipping Argentina, due to a lack of budget (but he also is not happy with the reliability of the Fiesta WRcar). He has secured the budget untill the end of 2012?

[rp]

Henning missing in Start List?

Yes. He will skip Argentina...

[kobefly]

Probably SS live streaming here (http://es-es.justin.tv/awaras147#/w/1257550624) starting in 5'

[bluuford]

Results are coming too slowly...
Boring!

Well, according to the latest information, they decided to put faster national cars between slower international cars and faster international cars. So, there was approximately one hour between the results :-)

[kobefly]

Probably SS live streaming here (http://es-es.justin.tv/awaras147#/w/1257550624) starting in 5'It's starting now.

[N.O.T]

its live now....very nice thanc for link

[logic]

It's stargint now.

I am still seeing Football

[kobefly]

I am still seeing Football

Please click on the link from my last post or HERE (http://es-es.justin.tv/awaras147)

[logic]

Ah thank you.

[Hartusvuori]

Villagra faster than Wilson by a blink.

[N.O.T]

bad run by ostberg.....

[N.O.T]

no tactics and no bull*** solberg said :) :)

[N.O.T]

Loeb wins the super special, solberg 2nd ogier 3rd....the real rally is tommorow though.

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb fastest - and most relaxed. He was standing on top of that camper van watching Solberg and Östberg, saw, came and won. I like the event host flag thing Citroen's have in the roof. But the rally starts tomorrow.

[tolis]

Thanks kobefly!

[tolis]

52 entered and only 33 started????

[gregwrc]

52 entered and only 33 started????

finally we are lucky here in Greece...... :)

[kobefly]

I like the event host flag thing Citroen's have in the roof.But it looks like Uruguayan, not Argentinian flag :D

[Luis Pacheco]

But it looks like Uruguayan, not Argentinian flag :D

With 5 strips and the sun on the corner is the Uruguayan flag, no dobt!

Give the frenchs a map! :p

[N.O.T]

they got the flag wrong ??? wow.....

[Juha_Koo]

Drivers have critiziced the tarmac sections. I just read Lehtinen's comments from one newspaper and he commented that "for example the last 20 kilometres of El Condor is a crazy-super-fast downhill tarmac section. It would be nice to have the clerk of course in the car and then in the finish, ask whether it was funny or not."

[Hartusvuori]

With 5 strips and the sun on the corner is the Uruguayan flag, no dobt!

Give the frenchs a map! :p

That not what I meant liking about the idea behind the flag on the roof. Perhaps they'll use the Argentine flag for Finland, at least it's blue and white...

[Luis Pacheco]

In the late 90's Toyota also customize their cars with graphics depicting the country of each event. At the rally GB painted umbrellas in the doors, kangaroos in Australia, in spain dancers, trees in Finland and some more that I don´t remember now.

[AndyRAC]

In the late 90's Toyota also customize their cars with graphics depicting the country of each event. At the rally GB painted umbrellas in the doors, kangaroos in Australia, in spain dancers, trees in Finland and some more that I don´t remember now.

Zebra markings for the Safari....

[Motorsportfun]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHMpgXProZ8 finally a proper superspecial, not a gymkana made in town or in a stadium!

Well done Argentina :)

[N.O.T]

if my calculations are accurate we have 50 minutes until the start of the rally.

[kobefly]

That is correct, 40 minutes to go now.
Finally I get to the office and half rally day isn't gone!

[ZequeArgentina]

That is right Kobefly, i is nice!!

Regarding superspecial, it was a nic one, as it used to be the "Camping San Martin" one back in the 90´s

Regarding El Condor stage, the first part is an amazing special, as a driver frst and as espectator also, one of te isonocs of Argentina Rally, probably the msot famous one.

The new part, the tarmac section, has some fast parts, but it is mainly a twisty mountain downhill section.
I have made some 5 timeste gravel down from El condor to Copina, and some 10 times the tarmac sections (the times I went to spectate to copina, not going up to El Condor) and I assure it is a challenging part.

probably not good to do it with worn gravel tires and gravel suspension, but it is for sure challenging.

[jonkka]

In the late 90's Toyota also customize their cars with graphics depicting the country of each event. At the rally GB painted umbrellas in the doors, kangaroos in Australia, in spain dancers, trees in Finland and some more that I don´t remember now.

http://www.juwra.com/toyota_1998_special_feature.html

[Luis Pacheco]

http://www.juwra.com/toyota_1998_special_feature.html

Great! Some of the liveries I do not even remember.

[blissard]

1st split in, let's go!

I wish wrc.com could have the option to show the itinerary for your timezone.

[rage82]

It's easy to check the local time at http://timeanddate.com/ and after that to count the time difference

[uranium]

I wish wrc.com could have the option to show the itinerary for your timezone.

+1

At least to show local time at runtime.
It is not convenient all the time convert time in the head :dozey:

[jonas_mcrae]

same time for hirvonen and ogier

[Hartusvuori]

I wish wrc.com could have the option to show the itinerary for your timezone.

That would be progressive. But among so many other things I would like to see from wrc.com, that would be good feature. Or even get the itinerary published before the actual day the rally starts.

[Hartusvuori]

It's funny how - at least Ford Finns - say exactly same things at stage-end comments in English and Finnish - and I mean same things down to same word choices and intonations.

Good start from JML! Hopefully the fight continues tight until the end.

[rage82]

Agree, it's really more convinient to have the itinerary in your local time but hey it's wrc.com!

[kobefly]

Stage 2 complete for WRC:

1) Latvala [Ford] 12:54.4
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +1.9
3) Loeb [Citroen] +2.3
4) Ogier [Citroen] +3.1
5) Hirvonen [Ford] +3.8
6) Wilson [Ford] +18.7
7) Ostberg [Ford] +24.4
8) Villagra [Ford] +26.5
9) Block [Ford] +46.5
10) Van Merksteijn Jr [Citroen] +47.4
11) Oliveira [Mini] +2:05.9 (damaged rear right suspension)

[Livewireshock]

Good start to the rally for Paddon. Go you good thing!

[MikeD]

Stage 2 complete for WRC:

1) Latvala [Ford] 12:54.4
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +1.9
3) Loeb [Citroen] +2.3
4) Ogier [Citroen] +3.1
5) Hirvonen [Ford] +3.8
6) Wilson [Ford] +18.7
7) Ostberg [Ford] +24.4
8) Villagra [Ford] +26.5
9) Block [Ford] +46.5
10) Van Merksteijn Jr [Citroen] +47.4
11) Oliveira [Mini] +2:05.9 (damaged rear right suspension)

Did Henning Solberg skip this one? (He's on the entrylist)

[jonkka]

Ford's seem fast now...

[jonkka]

Did Henning Solberg skip this one? (He's on the entrylist)

Yeah, he entered but DNS'd because he's finalizing deal with new sponsor.

[kobefly]

Did Henning Solberg skip this one? (He's on the entrylist)Yes he did, he secured budget for the rest of the season.

[kobefly]

Block already on split 1, Villagra not showing :|

[MikeD]

Ford's seem fast now...

Can you see the splits? When i go to the WRC.com site now it's sooooooo slow.

[jonkka]

Can you see the splits? When i go to the WRC.com site now it's sooooooo slow.

Just keep trying, it's quite bogged down... :(

[jonkka]

Double post...

[rage82]

It's quite good for me, no problems at all for the moment

[Hartusvuori]

Ford's lost few secs on the last splits, but still looking fine. Next stage is crucial.

[kobefly]

Villagra ended stage 3 with 2'13"5, not appearing in the splits. Wooohoooo!

[Luis Pacheco]

Unfortunately this year the local radio Cadena3 is not available overseas due to the rights of the WRC.
It was always a pleasure to hear the enthusiasm of Argentine journalists.

[Co-driven]

Unfortunately this year the local radio Cadena3 is not available overseas due to the rights of the WRC.
It was always a pleasure to hear the enthusiasm of Argentine journalists.

Yes, I was just looking for that here in Brazil. Just heard a little of the World Rally Radio but it isn't the same....

[kobefly]

Stage 3 complete for WRC:

1) Latvala [Ford] 32:36.9
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +3.0
3) Hirvonen [Ford] +5.3
4) Ogier [Citroen] +6.2
5) Loeb [Citroen] +6.7
6) Ostberg [Ford] +53.8
7) Wilson [Ford] +55.7
8) Villagra [Ford] +57.5
9) Block [Ford] +1:33.2
10) Van Merksteijn Jr [Citroen] +1:55.7
11) Oliveira [Mini] +4:00.7

[kobefly]

"El Condor - Cuesta Blanca" is on, 37,32 kilometres to close morning loop. Long tarmac section at the end of this stage. It's going to be intereseting.

[wrc1600]

It seems that only in Sweden all WRC drivers had the same cars. After that everything is back to "normal" with exeption of Peter but that is different case. No one apart from factory drivers and Peter can finish in top 5 providing they all finish rally without problems.

[tolis]

Gooooooo Latvala!!!!!!

[Juha_Koo]

Loeb describing the final section of El Condor as "Terrible, really terrible. Very dangerous." Mikko saying "Just stupid."

It would be interesting to see just how damn fast the final section is.


EDIT. Latvala 10 seconds faster that anyone else! Great!

[Gregor-y]

Are those comments for the stage itself or the spectators?

[dimviii]

Semerad stopped at stage

[DonJippo]

Are those comments for the stage itself or the spectators?

For the stage I believe.

[mdesign]

Any idea why hirvonen lost time?

[Mauri A]

Any idea why hirvonen lost time?
He said already before the start that the tarmac part of the stage is dangerous and it looks like he took it very carefully.

[kobefly]

Stage 4 and Morning Loop complete for WRC:

1) Latvala [Ford] 55:55.8
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +12.3
3) Ogier [Citroen] +16.2
4) Loeb [Citroen] +18.9
5) Hirvonen [Ford] +20.0
6) Ostberg [Ford] +1:34.4
7) Wilson [Ford] +1:46.6
8) Villagra [Ford] +2:02.8
9) Block [Ford] +3:01.8
10) Oliveira [Mini] +6:31.9
11) Van Merksteijn Jr [Citroen] +6:56.3

[ARF]

Is that correct http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/penalties/ ? The official site seems to be offline or crowded...

S. LOEB (F) TC4A 1M EARLY AT TC4A 1:00 the reason for asking

[wwbroe]

So Seb got one minute time penalty? :eek: :confused: Can somebody comfirm this?

[jonkka]

So he did in Sardinia as well until it was lifted. :eek:

[wwbroe]

Yes, you are right about that, let's wait and see then.

[ZequeArgentina]

In local radio, Villagra is claiming his Fiesta run partially in 3 cylinders, then got better, and then back to 3 cylinder, loosing much time in last special.

[AP-Racing]

Citroen confirm penalty.....
I don't understand what happened

[kobefly]

Loeb checked 1 minute earlier

[AP-Racing]

Loeb checked 1 minute earlier

I know, but why?

[Juha_Koo]

I know, but why?

Codriver error most probably.

[tfp]

Looks like JML's on fire, no one seems to be enjoying the tarmac sections!

[mousti]

Codriver error most probably.
Yep mostly that's the cause, weird that Elena let that happen, concentration problem, problem with the chrono..

[Marre]

is the powerstage on sunday only 3.9 km, sounds a little bit short.

[kobefly]

Yep mostly that's the cause, weird that Elena let that happen, concentration problem, problem with the chrono..

WRC.com
The Citroen Total World Rally Team star, a winner in Argentina on the last five occasions, completed the morning loop of three stages 18.9s adrift of leader Jari-Matti Latvala in fourth overall. The punishment would drop the seven-time champion back to sixth position when it is applied to his total time.

Citroen will not make an official comment until senior team members have met with the rally organisers. However, it is understood Loeb’s co-driver Daniel Elena checked in two seconds ahead of the allotted time due to confusion created by a large build-up of people surrounding the timing clocks at the entrance to the control.

[jonas_mcrae]

so whats wrong with this infamous last part of El Condor stage? I know its tarmac, but what else? some big drops?

[N.O.T]

once more the argentina organisers do their magic...its a pity such a beautiful event to have imbeciles in its ranks.....

[ARF]

196km/h average on that tarmac section for Latvala... no comments

[Mirek]

What? I can't believe that. What's the source?

[N.O.T]

196 km/hr on gravel tyres....very smart organisers.

[N.O.T]

according to rally.cz results the penalty is no more....can someone fire the organisers please so we can continue with the event ??

[dimviii]

What? I can't believe that. What's the source?

196km/h average is impossible

[Mirek]

In my opinion also, especially with cars with top speed around 200 even on nascar oval...

[N.O.T]

on the tarmac section not the whole stage.....it is possible from a small part see here for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dWCci7CDHw

[Mirek]

according to rally.cz results the penalty is no more....can someone fire the organisers please so we can continue with the event ??

Someone deleted penalties. I guess it's a mistake. I will look at it and add them again...

[dimviii]

on the tarmac section not the whole stage.....it is possible from a small part see here for example

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dWCci7CDHw

''small part'' with ''average'' are not close

[Mirek]

Yes, on 20 km it's impossible.

[dimviii]

didn t get it....you mean that it is possible to have average 196km/h on 20km stage?

[Mirek]

No, in my opinion it isn't possible at all until it's completely straight :)

[dimviii]

No, in my opinion it isn't possible at all until it's completely straight :)
for a moment you scared me :p :

[Tomi]

I never really understood the point why the organiser uses mixed surface stages, its almost equal childish with water splashes.

[N.O.T]

20 minutes until the restart.

[N.O.T]

Someone deleted penalties. I guess it's a mistake. I will look at it and add them again...

ARF said 196 average on tarmac section is the tarmac section 20kms long ??

[dimviii]

ARF said 196 average on tarmac section is the tarmac section 20kms long ??
its impossible even if it is 5km long.

[Mirek]

According to wrc.com it is 20 km but I agree with dimviii:


A 20km Tarmac section makes this a very different stage compared with its previous incarnations. A twisty, narrow, sandy downhill opening section traverses many narrow bridges before connecting with the wide, fast Tarmac portion. The drivers are expecting to be able to take big cuts here, so we can expect some dazzling bravado mixed with circumspection on the worn-out gravel tyres.

[N.O.T]

According to wrc.com it is 20 km but I agree with dimviii:

my god the organisers are really that stupid.....20kms tarmac section ??? yes its impossible.

[papar007]

What happen with the penalty of 1 minute to Loeb finally

[Juha_Koo]

Well, AFAIK, the tarmac section is basically a straight road (because of cutting) for 20 kilometers. Maybe the 190+ average isn't correct, but it has to be over 160+... Mikko said that they were on the limiter for many kilometres pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa.

[N.O.T]

What happen with the penalty of 1 minute to Loeb finally

it stands...

[papar007]

And what about that
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/stage-times/

[N.O.T]

lol...i do not know on rally.cz they had it then they withdraw it and now its back on....i guess we have to wait. I do not trust WRC.com in anything i only use that excuse of a site for splits only.

[papar007]

Will see, ss5 now!!

[bluuford]

And what about that
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/stage-times/

Penalty was added after the stage. So, it appears in overall calssiification after next stage

[dimviii]

Ogier on problems?

[papar007]

Penalty was added after the stage. So, it appears in overall calssiification after next stage

Thanks it's on

[kobefly]

SS5 completed for WRC:

1) Latvala [Ford] 1:06:14.8
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +13.9
3) Ogier [Citroen] +22.3
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +25.7
5) Loeb [Citroen] +1:25.2(Pen: 1:00)
6) Ostberg [Ford] +1:49.9
7) Wilson [Ford] +1:55.6
8) Villagra [Ford] +2:19.8
9) Block [Ford] +3:30.8
10) Oliveira [Mini] +7:31.3
11) Van Merksteijn Jr [Citroen] +8:57.0

[N.O.T]

its not really necessary to post the results of every stage...most people in here watch them live as they appear. i would prefer if you could post some comments from drivers or other stuff since you are local and could have more info

[ARF]

Sorry, that average speed was not for all the 20km. It was the last 6km, where Latvala had average of 195... Nevertheless.

[Gregor-y]

Is there a chance Latvala gambled with gear ratios, assuming his crew was allowed to change it for those stages?

[Allyc85]

From Latvala..


Hirvonen's team-mate Jari-Matti Latvala was comfortably fastest on the stage - and Ford's analysis revealed that the Finn was on the rev-limiter in top gear for the final 3.6 miles.
While Latvala's rivals lambasted the organisers for the decision to include the super-fast downhill section of asphalt at the end of SS4, Latvala blitzed the section to post the fastest time by almost 10 seconds.
M-Sport's data from the stage shows Latvala's average speed through the split section was 121.91mph.
Ford team principal Malcolm Wilson said: "I've never seen anything like this, it's absolutely incredible. The top speed of the car is only 125mph or something like that. He must have been on the limiter all the way through that section – I can't wait to see the in-car [video]!"
Latvala admitted he was as surprised as anybody when he saw the time.
"I was pushing hard," he said. "The car felt good, but I didn't expect the gap to be like this. It was quite exciting..."


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91782

[kobefly]

No splits for Villagra after first one...

[dimviii]

From Latvala..



http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91782

so for 6 km he was on limiter.Curious to see incar just to see what kind of airfield is this ss.

[kobefly]

Problems for Van Merksteijn Jr?

[Mirek]

Sorry, that average speed was not for all the 20km. It was the last 6km, where Latvala had average of 195... Nevertheless.

Just huh... You have to be on rpm limiter almost all the time!

[kobefly]

SS6:

1) Latvala [Ford] 1:25:38.3
2) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +12.1
3) Ogier [Citroen] +22.1
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +30.0
5) Loeb [Citroen] +1:32.3 (pen: 1:00)
6) Ostberg [Ford] +2:15.5
7) Wilson [Ford] +2:34.7
8) Villagra [Ford] +2:47.1
9) Block [Ford] +4:24.5

Petter 400th SS win! :D

No times for Olveira and Van Merksteijn Jr.

[N.O.T]

slow splits for Hirvonen....

[dimviii]

Mikko +8,2 at 4th split!!

[Juha_Koo]

Sorry for the BS quality, but a small view to the tarmac section of El Condor.

http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=004718105620.jpg
http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=004718105620.jpg
http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=004718105620.jpg

[N.O.T]

Loeb slower than Latvalas time this morning...

[N.O.T]

lets see nice day tommorow and 4 stages for latvala to clean and create the lines for the rest to follow.....its going to be good.

[alleskids]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/argentina-2011-el-condor-tamed-by-the-flying-finn/?vid=2144&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1
what an fantastic ride, cutting mega. Latvalla communicates a lot on the pace notes. Can someone tell me if he corrects the notes to be slower, or that it can been faster the next time

[Juha_Koo]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/argentina-2011-el-condor-tamed-by-the-flying-finn/?vid=2144&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1
what an fantastic ride, cutting mega. Latvalla communicates a lot on the pace notes. Can someone tell me if he corrects the notes to be slower, or that it can been faster the next time

They have lot of "maybe gravel" notes which many of them JM changes to just "gravel", JM saying "Yes, here is gravel" or "Take the maybe away". Also few speed corrections and precise gravel calls like for example "It's only little gravel here".

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/argentina-2011-el-condor-tamed-by-the-flying-finn/?vid=2144&pg=1&srch_season=&srch_rallyid=&srch_teamid=-1&srch_driverid=-1
what an fantastic ride, cutting mega. Latvalla communicates a lot on the pace notes. Can someone tell me if he corrects the notes to be slower, or that it can been faster the next time

Definetely not 196km/h average.Two times at limiter for few seconds.

[Rallyper]

Why did Patrik Flodin get 10 min penalty with only one stage missing? He just missed the last stage of the day winning SS6? Should be only 5 min in my humble opinion...

[N.O.T]

Definetely not 196km/h average.Two times at limiter for few seconds.

hmmmmm well depends on the gear ratio i think....sordo in bulgaria was at 216 km/hr and with no limiter on

[Mirek]

That was completely different engine and gearing but that doesn't matter if You watch the real onboard. The tarmac part in the video is average speed let's say 150 km/h but hardly more.

[J.Lindstroem]

Olivieras times are getting better and better i have to say!

[dimviii]

hmmmmm well depends on the gear ratio i think....sordo in bulgaria was at 216 km/hr and with no limiter on

different car Greg.
From the incar video is obvious that 2 fast sections with some sec in limiter cant average 196 when most corners are with 4th-5th speed(120-150km/h about) and some even slower ones.To have this average means that you must have sections with over 230-250 km/h,and not just 2 times in limiter for few seconds.

[Hartusvuori]

Why did Patrik Flodin get 10 min penalty with only one stage missing? He just missed the last stage of the day winning SS6? Should be only 5 min in my humble opinion...

If you miss the last stage, it's 10 min penalty. You can't get to superrally without at least 10 min penalty.

[bluuford]

Why did Patrik Flodin get 10 min penalty with only one stage missing? He just missed the last stage of the day winning SS6? Should be only 5 min in my humble opinion...

If you miss the last stage of the day, you cet +10:00 minutes automatically. nowadays you cannot get less than 10:00 minutes penalty for Superally. Otherwise it is 5 minutes per stage, but if you retire on the last stage or roadsection, then it is +10:00. If anyone gets less than 10:00, then it is timing error.

[alleskids]

They have lot of "maybe gravel" notes which many of them JM changes to just "gravel", JM saying "Yes, here is gravel" or "Take the maybe away". Also few speed corrections and precise gravel calls like for example "It's only little gravel here".

thanks. Loeb and Hirvonen and the others complain it is a terrible stage and they need all there attention to drive safely, while Latvalla has still time to correct the pace notes in a calm way. It sounded like he was driving relaxed on his way to the supermarket (don't forget the milk, and do we have meat for dinner tomorrow :) )

[Luis Pacheco]

We can see many spectators on the tarmac section. Maybe there are no tarmac events in Argentina.

[René]

Argentina 2011 Europe Stages Timing

Saturday 28

ES 8 (21,57 km) : 08h13. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 13h13.
ES 9 (16,57 km) : 09h46. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 14h46.

ES 10 (20,33 km) : 10h32. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 15h32.
ES 11 (21,36 km) : 11h13. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 16h13.

ES 12 (21,57 km) : 14h08. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 19h08.
ES 13 (16,57 km) : 15h41. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 20h41.

ES 14 (20,33 km) : 16h27. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 21h27.
ES 15 (21,36 km) : 17h08. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 22h08.

Sunday 29

ES 16 (48,21 km) : 08h09. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 13h09.
ES 17 (03,90 km) : 10h27. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 15h27.

ES 18 (03,02 km) : 11h38. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 16h38.
ES 19 (03,90 km) : 12h10. Paris Time UTC/GMT + 2 h : 17h10.

[Hartusvuori]

thanks. Loeb and Hirvonen and the others complain it is a terrible stage and they need all there attention to drive safely, while Latvalla has still time to correct the pace notes in a calm way. It sounded like he was driving relaxed on his way to the supermarket (don't forget the milk, and do we have meat for dinner tomorrow :) )

Indeed it looked relaxed. Had it been Timo Salonen, he propably would've light up a cigarette.

[N.O.T]

25 minutes until the start...

[jonkka]

And here we go again...

[Bobcat]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91784

[Juha_Koo]

JM had "big moment".

What a great way to start the day. :D

[Motorsportfun]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91784

Oh, yeah... they don't have the Road Book to see where to check in... there wasn't any yellor board 25m before... also any alien at the Time Control? :D :rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

seems its going to be again a battle between latvala and Ogier......Loeb i think quits to avoid mistakes now and aim to win the power stage.

[WRCfan]

I wish rally radio would fix itself, crackling and cutting out. Good to see Latvala out in the lead after Day 1. Also nice that Daniel Elena proved he is only human after all.

Hopefully we can have Latvala take some points off Citroen at the end.

[bluuford]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91784

1. Such things can happen to anyone,if I remember it correctly, it has happened before in Argentina and happened even after him. There are always so many people in Argentina Rally and this is good thing, you just have to be more careful.

2. I think we have too much noise for small thing. Other top drivers got it right? right?

3. Roadbook and rally. Rally is on the open roads and open to the people. When there are more people, then you just have to be more careful. When you see from the road book that you are close to the time control, then just send your co driver out to make sure you are in the right place in the right time!

4. You cannot always appeal to all penalties you get. I just does not look good. Sometimes you just have to admit that you made a mistake even if it was small one.

[Mirek]

Semerád said that DMack made a big progress and their tyres work very well in Argentina and also they are very durable. Anyway yesterday he broke suspension over a stone on the road.

[jonkka]

SS9?

[Sulland]

Semerád said that DMack made a big progress and their tyres work very well in Argentina and also they are very durable. Anyway yesterday he broke suspension over a stone on the road.

They will as Hankook leapfrog in the beginning of development, but it is the last 10% up to Michelin and Pirelli that is hard to do !

[N.O.T]

bad stage for latvala so far...

[N.O.T]

Loeb pushes hard....what for?

[René]

it seems that Loeb decided to attack..............

[N.O.T]

maybe some good news from the time penalty issue ? i cannot see any other reason....

[bluuford]

Loeb pushes hard....what for?

Testing for Ogier

[MikeD]

Do we know if the penalty is finally decided? It hasn't been added to Loeb's time yet.

[AndyRAC]

Loeb pushes hard....what for?

Remember NZ 2010 and the second leg......

[bluuford]

ahaa.. there was a tire stop after the stage 8 and Loeb was the onlyone to take 4 new tires on. The trick is that if you changed tires after the stage 8, then those tires were deleted from your quota. And Loeb used his old tires from yesterday for stage 8. At the end of stage 11 we will see if it was good idea. He lost 12.2 sec to Ogier on SS8 (old rubber) and took 5.1 back now (new rubber).

[René]

Testing for Ogier ...

Don't say that :) You're going to make fall some hair which stay on the Quesnel head...

[kobefly]

After SS9:

1) Latvala [Ford] 2:10:44.0
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +16.5
2) Ogier [Citroen] +15.0
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +41.9
5) Loeb [Citroen] +1:23.6 (pen: 1:00)
6) Ostberg [Ford] +3:22.3
7) Wilson [Ford] +3:56.6
8) Villagra [Ford] +4:08.5
9) Block [Ford] +8:24.3 (pen: 0:10)

[dimviii]

Loeb pushes hard....what for?

For sure his attacking for Mikko.

[jonkka]

Latvala can fend others off now but why Hirvonen isn't trying to catch the others?

[dimviii]

Loeb very fast

[kobefly]

Excelent time for Villagra taking Wilson's P7, also beated Ostberg.
Wilson got a puncture.

[jonkka]

Latvala strikes back

[kobefly]

After SS10:

1) Latvala [Ford] 2:21:31.2
2) Ogier [Citroen] +18.5
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +14.3
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +39.1
5) Loeb [Citroen] +1:14.4 (pen: 1:00)
6) Ostberg [Ford] +3:37.6
7) Villagra [Ford] +4:19.2
8) Wilson [Ford] +5:02.8
9) Block [Ford] +12:15.8 (pen: 0:10)

[dimviii]

Loeb again faster at 2nd split

[Hartusvuori]

Well done, JML! I'm already getting a feeling we'll see a really close battle in Finland between JML and Ogier and Hirvonen and Loeb - plus the wild horses.

[dimviii]

Loeb -5,5 at last split!

[N.O.T]

i think none wants to do the 48kms stage tommorow being first on the road......latvala has to extend his lead if he wants to have a chance.

[dimviii]

Now Loeb 26,2 behind Mikko.At morning was 46,8

[ZequeArgentina]

Who says sweeping is an issue in this roads?
Latvala will try to have as much gap as possible, but not a problem.
dust + early sun is more of a problem for on going cars.

[N.O.T]

without the penalty Loeb would be just 6 seconds behind....

[kobefly]

without the penalty Loeb would be just 6 seconds behind....Maybe a couple more seconds since he would have been one position ahead in starting order plys pushing might not have been so agresssive.

[Bobcat]

Now Loeb 26,2 behind Mikko.At morning was 46,8

15:34 Hirvonen ends SS11
Mikko Hirvonen sets 13m15.3s in SS11 to go second quickest to team-mate Latvala, but the split times indicate that Sebastien Loeb is pushing hard: “He [Loeb] is definitely coming quickly. There is a big rock in the road and I’m sure one of the spectators has put it there. We hit it with the back of the car.”

N.O.T Citroen Friends... :(

[kobefly]

After SS11, morning loop complete:

1) Latvala [Ford] 2:34:45.1
2) Ogier [Citroen] +17.8
3) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +20.8
4) Hirvonen [Ford] +40.5
5) Loeb [Citroen] +1:06.7 (pen: 1:00)
6) Ostberg [Ford] +3:54.2
7) Villagra [Ford] +4:42.0
8) Wilson [Ford] +5:31.8
9) Block [Ford] +6:04.8 (pen: 0:10)

[Hartusvuori]

Refresh my memory: is tomorrow's 48,21 km stage longest stage in WRC since when? Germany's Panzerplatte last year was 48 kms sharp.

[N.O.T]

juwra.com doen't provide such a statistic i think...i can only find longest stage distance overall....it would be nice to add it as a stat if it isn't there.

[Motorsportfun]

I remember a 50-51 km stage in Japan, some years ago... am I right?

[Hartusvuori]

I remember a 50-51 km stage in Japan, some years ago... am I right?

http://www.juwra.com/japan_2005.html

SS3/7 Kunneywa - Niueo 1 50,06 km

[GigiGalliNo1]

Is WRR repeating it self and day has ended or service?

[Juha_Koo]

Is WRR repeating it self and day has ended or service?

Service now.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ok cool, it's looping now.... thought I went a bit crazy then..

[wrc1600]

Oh, yeah... they don't have the Road Book to see where to check in... there wasn't any yellor board 25m before... also any alien at the Time Control? :D :rolleyes:
Do you have any pictures of that place or have you been there?

[René]

What is it ???

Penalties

1 S. LOEB (F) TC4A 1M EARLY AT TC4A 1:00
TC12 22M EARLY AT TC12 22:00

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/penalties/

[Juha_Koo]

What is it ???

Penalties

1 S. LOEB (F) TC4A 1M EARLY AT TC4A 1:00
TC12 22M EARLY AT TC12 22:00

http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/penalties/

:D

That must be a system glitch, no way that Elena would screw up that bad.

[wrc1600]

I can't see that on the website

[jonkka]

juwra.com doen't provide such a statistic i think...

It does, if you know where to look:
http://www.juwra.com/statistics_timeseries_stages.html
It lists longest and shortest stages per year, as well as some other niche data.

[René]

I can't see that on the website

http://i27.servimg.com/u/f27/11/47/50/08/penalt10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=380&u=11475008)

[jonkka]

And now, second loop which will be decisive. Can JML hold on and who, if any, will play tactics at the end?

[AP-Racing]

Loeb 857 min penalty? That's joke?

[N.O.T]

Latvala continues to lose...until he finds the limit of the new stage grip.

[wrc1600]

It wasn't there a while ago now it is 857min :)

[N.O.T]

big push by Ogier...

[N.O.T]

Latvala slower than this mornings ogiers time....by 7 seconds.....

[N.O.T]

Ogier matches his morning time......ok.

[bluuford]

Seems that Ogier is the onlyone who is on new tires on this stage. Lets see what happens in next stages.

[ZequeArgentina]

To confirm what i was saying about sweeping not really an issue in Argentina, time between repeated stages do nto vary that much, see Latvala Las Jarillas 1; 12m 27,6 s; Las jarillas 2 12m 28,8s
<petter <solberg 12:33 first pass, 12m 30 second pass.

[N.O.T]

yes seems that sweeping is not much of an issue......Latvala is not good at driving without brake points and lines then ??

[N.O.T]

56 seconds to the leader now......very very interesting especially that the good stages for him are infront and tommorow he cuold have a very nice starting position....

[Doon]

I'm starting to loose faith in Mikko.

[N.O.T]

I'm starting to loose faith in Mikko.

you are a couple of years late...

[MikeD]

Which one of the stages is the power stage tomorrow?

[bluuford]

Always the last:
SS19 Cabalango 2 3.9km 12:10
That means around 5 PM in Central Europe

[MikeD]

That was a very short Powerstage :/

[bluuford]

Yes, this is the shortest so far. Well, usually they cover only approximately 4km of powerstage with TV picture, so does not matter much for the TV spectator :-)

[Tom206wrc]

Mmmmh becomes interesting this end of leg :)

[N.O.T]

I think if latvala continues like that Ogier will employ tactics.....which will lead in Loeb close even more and tommorow we might have a 3 driver battle for the win....

[bluuford]

yes seems that sweeping is not much of an issue......Latvala is not good at driving without brake points and lines then ??

There is still a lot of sweeping for the first car, specially during the second pass, due to the local cars that use different lines. Then the first car sweeps the thinlayer of loose stuff from the road and the others just follow the lines.

[Hartusvuori]

Ogier will take the lead. Let's wait for the tactics...

[MikeD]

Broken driveshaft for Latvala

[Hartusvuori]

Broken driveshaft for Latvala

That's it then.

[MikeD]

That's it then.

Looks like it .... pity, because he has driven a really good rally.

[N.O.T]

we have a new leader....

[MikeD]

Why the f*** are they playing music on WRR when this is such a crucial part of the rally. Amateurs!

[rp]

Game over! Third win of the season for Ogier...

[N.O.T]

WHat is very interesting to see is Ostberg vs Wilson also.....on one hand we have a driver with no previous experience of the rally and one who has done it 4 times......i hope wilson quits soon because it really is a pain to watch.