Wrc Rally Argentina 2011

[N.O.T]

Once more Latvala is slipping away from the championship contention.....it was bad luck this time.

[Hartusvuori]

"JML stopped on road section prior to SS14. Broke a compression strut in final sector of SS13. Not easy to fix but is working on it"

Gerard Quinn tweets.

[N.O.T]

Latvala doesn't deserve this....lets hope VW has plans for him....

[bluuford]

hmm broken compression strut. It can be fixed and the timeloss might not be the worst. Lets see. Is Ogier ready to go first on the road tomorrow? I think that he is the onlyone of top runners who has same tires for all four stages.

[wrc1600]

WHat is very interesting to see is Ostberg vs Wilson also.....on one hand we have a driver with no previous experience of the rally and one who has done it 4 times......i hope wilson quits soon because it really is a pain to watch.
Why do you want him to quit? I would like to see more wrc cars no matter how good or bad drivers are.

[MikeD]

......i hope wilson quits soon because it really is a pain to watch.

+1

[MikeD]

Why do you want him to quit? I would like to see more wrc cars no matter how good or bad drivers are.


WRC should be about quality - not quantity.

[J.Lindstroem]

Why do you want him to quit? I would like to see more wrc cars no matter how good or bad drivers are.

+1

Also, if he quits we wont have a driver to bash on and call Wilslow. We dont want that do we?

[wrc1600]

WRC should be about quality - not quantity.
So lets have fun with 5 top drivers and say no to others... 5 cars in a rally... brilliant

[MikeD]

So lets have fun with 5 top drivers and say no to others... 5 cars in a rally... brilliant

But that's still what we have now with the useless Wilslow in the WRC. When MINI and VW hopefully bring good drivers with them, then we will have a really good fight ... and there will be no room or 5-year plans for crap drivers like Wilson!

[wrc1600]

But that's still what we have now with the useless Wilslow in the WRC. When MINI and VW hopefully bring good drivers with them, then we will have a really good fight ... and there will be no room or 5-year plans for crap drivers like Wilson!
We have no Mini or VW at the moment. But if they bring good drivers then we should limit wrc cars to 7-8. Is that what you mean?

[N.O.T]

he means that the WRC is the top of the sport....so only the top guys should take part. Of course you are going to give everyone a chance for 1-2-3 years to see if he can do something but to have a driver just to have a car to watch is the wrong mentality....there are the village events to see all the cars you want.

For example Osteberg is also relatively slow but he shows he can at least fight....and might have a future.

[N.O.T]

next stage is on lets see if latvalas problem was real.

[Hartusvuori]

Is SS14 delayed? It should've started by now, right?

[N.O.T]

maybe latvala didn't start it so we have a small gap ??

[bluuford]

Latvala is late to the start, so Solberg will be first on the road, lets say that Latvala will be approximately 5 minutes late, that is third on the road

[Hartusvuori]

No splits or other sign of life at wrc.com and it's seven minutes overdue now.

[N.O.T]

yes solberg is in the stage now....

[wrc1600]

he means that the WRC is the top of the sport....so only the top guys should take part. Of course you are going to give everyone a chance for 1-2-3 years to see if he can do something but to have a driver just to have a car to watch is the wrong mentality....there are the village events to see all the cars you want.

For example Osteberg is also relatively slow but he shows he can at least fight....and might have a future.
Tell me about one event when I could see 20wrc cars please. So how can you tell who can drive wrc? What are the criteria? Another thing when I am going to watch rally I do not really care who is driving and usually have no idea about times even until the end of rally. I just enjoy watching wrc cars, I have no interest in who wins, who is useless.

[Barreis]

M.Wilson slow again.

[Mise]

according to rally radio its over for Latvala

[J.Lindstroem]

Solberg might have a chance tomorrow, or what do you think? I dont think we should say congrats to Ogier yet right?

[bluuford]

So, I forgot the refill, that means approximately 10 minutes late for Jari, that means 1:40 of roadpenalties

[N.O.T]

the first 1-2-3 for the citroen team might be very close.

[MikeD]

So how can you tell who can drive wrc? What are the criteria?

Well, stagetimes could be an indicator ... and could you now stop spamming this thread with your nonsense!

[wrc1600]

Well, stagetimes could be an indicator ... and could you now stop spamming this thread with your nonsense!
You have started

[N.O.T]

don't be upset, and please do not use personal insults.... many people have this mentality and go to events to see the cars rather than the drivers....i cannot understand it but the majority of people in my country are like that also, they will be happy with the number of cars even if they are driven by monkeys.

[wwbroe]

Did Latvalla stop in the stage?

[bluuford]

Yes, team advised him to pull over, that means +10 minutes and and 9th position for him

[N.O.T]

Perfect position for Loeb tommorow to get 2nd place...lets see.

[BleAivano]

Solberg might have a chance tomorrow, or what do you think? I dont think we should say congrats to Ogier yet right?

of course not, even if its likely, anything can happen. Like mechanical failure, driver errors and etc... Obviously i hope that nothing such will happen.

[Tom206wrc]

Poor Latvala :(

[rp]

During the second leg Citroen has once again won the every SS. It shows what is the difference between the DS3 and the Fiesta.

Latvala showed once again good speed, but Hirvonen is not able to take anymore top three results if every top driver is in the game...

[bluuford]

http://www.juwra.com/japan_2005.html

SS3/7 Kunneywa - Niueo 1 50,06 km
Longest stages in last decade
Yes, before that was
2004 Sweden Granberget 1 and 2 52.57 km
And before that was:
2001, 2002 and 2003 New-Zealand Parahi - Ararua 59.00 km

[N.O.T]

next stage is on.....

[bluuford]

So, Ogier should have the most worn tires by now, lets see what happens

[bluuford]

No, solberg has made a mistake...
Lost more than 20 sec

[Wim_Impreza]

Longest stages in last decade
Yes, before that was
2004 Sweden Granberget 1 and 2 52.57 km
And before that was:
2001, 2002 and 2003 New-Zealand Parahi - Ararua 59.00 km

You are wrong, you forget the Safari Rally!

[bluuford]

And +35 sec for the next split

[jonkka]

You are wrong, you forget the Safari Rally!

Safari did not use special stages, those were competitive sections.

[Wim_Impreza]

Safari did not use special stages, those were competitive sections.

Bluuford said stages, not special stages...

[N.O.T]

Problems for solberg

[jonkka]

Bluuford said stages, not special stages...

Nevertheless, CS was regulatory different from SS, for example it wasn't necessarily closed to public traffic.

[Tom206wrc]

What happens with Solberg :confused:

[N.O.T]

I think solberg will not finish...

[N.O.T]

Ogier also doesn't appear at finish !!!!!

[N.O.T]

OK ogier finished the stage.....

[N.O.T]

Solberg 55 seconds slower...all is lost....4th is the best he will do.

[jonkka]

Mikko is 1st to reach stage end? :eek:

[wrc1600]

Power stering problems possibly for Solberg

[N.O.T]

according to wrc.com..... according to proper sites he is through....

[wrc1600]

Ogier finished

[BleAivano]

only 4 second difference now between Mikko and Loeb...

[bluuford]

Bluuford said stages, not special stages...

Jonkka is right. Yes, I meant stages, so I didn't count those CS-s (over 117 km-s) in 2001 and 2002 Safari because those were not stages.

[N.O.T]

hmmm Solberg might have a slight chance against mikko if he attacks the stage like a mad dog on crack.....

[Luis Pacheco]

Nevertheless, CS was regulatory different from SS, for example it wasn't necessarily closed to public traffic.

If I´m not mistaken in the last years of Safari they were special stages closed to traffic.

[Barreis]

Anyway, I miss Safari so much.

[Tom206wrc]

Tomorrow the 48km long stage could do a lot a casualties :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

By the way, Latvala still 8th overall after superrally...possible points to take again tomorrow ;)

[dimviii]

i was out for Saturday night,and everything is changed!!
What caused Latvalas strut collapse? driving error,or mechanical breakdown?

[Juha_Koo]

Total disaster! :down: Once JM has the speed and consistency, other things are failing. What a total piece of sh*t.

[tfp]

Total disaster! :down: Once JM has the speed and consistency, other things are failing. What a total piece of sh*t.

Exactly the way I think, now it looks like Ogier is going to cruise to an undeserved victory.

[tmx]

Total disaster! :down: Once JM has the speed and consistency, other things are failing. What a total piece of sh*t. Sounds the same as with Petter car this season so far. Do Citreon have a remote control that they can choose what part to implode on his car and why doesn't it happen to their factory driver?

[BleAivano]

Exactly the way I think, now it looks like Ogier is going to cruise to an undeserved victory.

in the case of JML it could hypothetically be that he is pushing his car too much which results in a mechanical failure.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=879&fseason=2011#http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/879/879_rally_argentina_2011_e032621cf7.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/879/879_rally_argentina_2011_7ccccc6294.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/879/879_rally_argentina_2011_f5aa957e4d.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/879/879_rally_argentina_2011_232739d36d.jpg

More photos from Argentina HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=879&fseason=2011)

[sp0+]

Jari has definatelly the speed, but he is not protecting his car as much as he should... :(

[Rallyper]

Yeah, something like that. I do presume that Petter also pushes his car way harder than the two Sebs have to do, because they have the speed and also smotheness in their driving. While JML and Petter always has to push over the limits meaning they cut corners more. Look at Loebs lines. They tell a lot.

[Mirek]

Yes, that's true. Petter always uses more than all the road and driving through ditches etc. is the reason for many problems, especially for many punctures.

[snellman]

when Loeb retires, please put JML in a DS3

[Barreis]

Please drop JML from works team.

[GigiGalliNo1]

HOw long till stage start? And WRR?

[darkstar]

is there any link for livecoverage from the superspecial this evening?

[MikeD]

Total disaster! :down: Once JM has the speed and consistency, other things are failing. What a total piece of sh*t.

No offence, but it was JML that broke the car according to Malcom Wilson

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogier on stage.

[Juha_Koo]

Yes, that's true. Petter always uses more than all the road and driving through ditches etc. is the reason for many problems, especially for many punctures.

Were you talking now about Petter and JML or only Petter? It's easy to admit that Petter has a terrible attack mode always on but I have to disagree that JML would be somehow as aggressive as Petter in his driving. JML is aggressive but not as aggressive as Petter.

Miikka Anttila said that they didn't hit anything special although the broken part had somesort of dent/bend in it. I guess it just gave away in the rough conditions.

[jonkka]

Interesting first splits...

[Mirek]

Were you talking now about Petter and JML or only Petter? It's easy to admit that Petter has a terrible attack mode always on but I have to disagree that JML would be somehow as aggressive as Petter in his driving. JML is aggressive but not as aggressive as Petter.

Miikka Anttila said that they didn't hit anything special although the broken part had somesort of dent/bend in it. I guess it just gave away in the rough conditions.

I meant Petter particularly because with him it's obvious. Sorry for confusion.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Whoops, wrote too many emails to WRR! WRCfan(ny)

[Juha_Koo]

I meant Petter particularly because with him it's obvious. Sorry for confusion.

Yeah, no problem at all. :)

It's always interesting to hear other's comments because there are things where I'm biased and can't help it.

[Wim_Impreza]

There are only 10 drivers in the rally who aren't used SupeRally...

[WRCfan]

Just watched the Day 2 highlights and was so gutted for Solberg. I don't know if it is his driving style or the car failing but the dude must be ready to throw his DS3 in the garbage. Everytime he gets into a great position to fight for the win the car breaks for whatever reason.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ah, the french sitting at their computers switching the buttons for things not to work in his car!

[jonkka]

Loeb now 2.1 secs from Mikko...

[GigiGalliNo1]

OGIER slow! AHHH... nearly stopped

[René]

Ogier syndrome again???

[rp]

Ogier rolled...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogier, cut the corner and rolled.

[René]

Ogier rolled....

[GigiGalliNo1]

i think Ogier rolled

lol

[dimviii]

Οgier rolled!!

[jonkka]

Seems not to have lost much there...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Who rolled?

[alleskids]

is there any link for livecoverage from the superspecial this evening?

i hope this link will work for the Power stage (17.00 CET ?)
http://www.silversportz.co.uk/

[Raini]

pretty quick roll for Ogier...but do not know he can manage the next stages...

[dimviii]

Where is the live camera with Quesnels face?
Loeb smiles inside his Stilo.

[René]

Ogier still stoped on the road section...

[Hartusvuori]

And in the end Loeb wins.

[bluuford]

Ogier still stoped on the road section...

So, 90 km of road section and three more stages without service total 12 km. He has 1hour and 38 minutes to cover 90 km+refill

[bluuford]

Who rolled?

Quensel :-P

[GigiGalliNo1]

Wilson stopped.

[darkstar]

i hope this link will work for the Power stage (17.00 CET ?)
http://www.silversportz.co.uk/

thanks!

[René]

So, 90 km of road section and three more stages without service total 12 km. He has 1hour and 38 minutes to cover 90 km+refill

I hope for him whom he is going to be able to finish this rally....

[WRCfan]

Ken stopped, Wilson stopped, Ogier rolled. What next, Quesnell gets run over in service by Mads? (One can only hope)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mads! HAHA

[Tom206wrc]

Ogier still stoped on the road section...


:confused:

[GigiGalliNo1]

Why is WRR on repeat? Did Ogier roll again? Waht?

[N.O.T]

Where did ogier roll ? because at the end of ss16 he appears in the results.....

[cosmicpanda]

That Loeb is faster than Hirvonen even with his penalty should make Malcolm think pretty seriously about finding somebody else. Make Latvala the lead driver and get Ostberg or, hell, Paddon, in the second Ford.

[N.O.T]

Ostberg is not faster than Hirvonen....

[N.O.T]

Oh he rolled but he continues....ok....

[AndyRAC]

That Loeb is faster than Hirvonen even with his penalty should make Malcolm think pretty seriously about finding somebody else. Make Latvala the lead driver and get Ostberg or, hell, Paddon, in the second Ford.

If i was Latvala or his Manager, I'd be on the phone to VW.....a broken driveshaft again, the same problem the Focus had.

[wildsir]

Surely there was a chance was to sign Sordo, Solberg, Ogier in the last year, and they didn't or couldn't. We haven't even reached the tarmac rally's yet...

[Doon]

I agree, Mikko should be replaced. The only problem is, the best choice as a replacement has already been signed by Mini, and has never been offered anything by Ford since his BRC S1600 days. Poor management by Malcolm to have faith in Mikko for so long now. If he can't fight Loeb for this win Malcolm might wake up!

[Sulland]

What kind of BS is it with 3 x SS on sub 4 km ?
Real finale would to have the magnum stage on 48 last or second last !

[N.O.T]

Latvala - Hanninen would be a very nice combination to any team

[Sulland]

Ostberg is not faster than Hirvonen....

Not yet !!!

[wildsir]

If i was Latvala or his Manager, I'd be on the phone to VW.....a broken driveshaft again, the same problem the Focus had.
One thing for sure Loeb will not be at Citroen next year. Citroen/Latvala would be stupid not to be talking to each other.

[Doon]

Spot on. Latvala needs a new car to make his own, and a team that has his full attention i.e. not running their team as a buisiness which is supplying many other cars customers. At least the Fiesta is fast enough.....it's a start.

[N.O.T]

Loeb still shows he is the man to beat so he might not retire after this year...

[Doon]

One thing for sure Loeb will not be at Citroen next year. Citroen/Latvala would be stupid not to be talking to each other.

Really? What is he doing? Is it confirmed?

[N.O.T]

nothing is confirmed....

[N.O.T]

will the ford team order Ostberg and Villagra to let latvala pass ??

[GigiGalliNo1]

I still thnk JML has his loyalty to Ford and Wilson.... Ogier will stick with Citroen and they will pick up another up and coming driver.. perhaps a Fin of some sort....

[N.O.T]

the results so far show that the ford is not a winning car...i think latvala is at least as fast as Ogier and a 38 year old Loeb....

Latvala is forced to squeeze everything out of the ford to be on pace with the citroen guys thus he has tech problems....

Citroen is going for 5th win in a row and we still have the tarmac rounds to go.....i think thats not coincidence and the french are ahead of the competition.

[wildsir]

I still thnk JML has his loyalty to Ford and Wilson.... Ogier will stick with Citroen and they will pick up another up and coming driver.. perhaps a Fin of some sort....

I'd scarfice loyalty to be World Rally Champion.

[Doon]

the results so far show that the ford is not a winning car...i think latvala is at least as fast as Ogier and a 38 year old Loeb....

Latvala is forced to squeeze everything out of the ford to be on pace with the citroen guys thus he has tech problems....

Citroen is going for 5th win in a row and we still have the tarmac rounds to go.....i think thats not coincidence and the french are ahead of the competition.

Well said! But with this theory in mind Hirvonen isn't doing so bad. Regardless of this i'm sure Latvala would be on top if he was in a Citroen.

[rp]

Unfortunately we still have to wait before the real WRC is alive. At least in 2013 it will happen, when the second factory team is in. VW is the only one to stop Citroen´s dominance. And hopefully Toyota will come also...

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen has a different approach he goes pretty fast but no risks...so he gets good points on every round and waits for the true rally drivers to make mistakes so he can benefit and steal the championship....the ridicule he got from Loeb in GB a few years back contributed to such mentality also. I think Ford will be his home from now on.....

[N.O.T]

Unfortunately we still have to wait before the real WRC is alive. At least in 2013 it will happen, when the second factory team is in. VW is the only one to stop Citroen´s dominance. And hopefully Toyota will come also...

Thats is not true in the past we had world champions from private teams as well for example burns at prodrive.....

[jonkka]

i'm sure Latvala would be on top if he was in a Citroen.

At Citroen only French drivers can be at top. Without Ogier coming along they would have stopped WRC when Loeb retires.

[N.O.T]

Yes thats why a few uears back their 1-2 drivers were a british one and a spanish one and also their No2 all these years was a spanish guy....i know the bitterness that your boys are getting beaten like sick dogs without owners but please do not spread your propaganda your media do in here.

[GigiGalliNo1]

and Proton

[rp]

Thats is not true in the past we had world champions from private teams as well for example burns at prodrive.....

Yes it was. Nowadays it is different story..

[dimviii]

here we are again...

[J.Lindstroem]

I have Loeb, Hirvonen, Ogier on my pickems. Its important that it plays out that way!!

[GigiGalliNo1]

6 mins till stage start

[dimviii]

Loeb will drive with one eye in the road and the other in splits.As he see advantage at splits to Ogier maximum attack.
i dike to know at what condition is Ogiers ds3.

[N.O.T]

20 seconds in 9kms is not possible....plus you do not get splits in a 3 km stage.

[AP-Racing]

DS3 condition

http://i080.radikal.ru/1105/47/88c3540d197d.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ogier: "I have no power steering. I will do what i can, I tried to fixed the car, it's not that bad, it'll be ok until the end.

I think it will be difficult, we will see and we will try."

[N.O.T]

Power steering problem for Ogier !!!!!

[N.O.T]

Ogier through stage 17.....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Mikko: "Yes we are getting close but Loeb is getting close behind, but not a perfect drive, a few mistakes, it's going to be close"

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen 8 seconds faster !!!!!

[dimviii]

20 seconds in 9kms is not possible....plus you do not get splits in a 3 km stage.
do you know Ogiers ds3 condition? he rolled Greg.

[Marre]

could someone post links for livestreaming om the powerstage

[N.O.T]

http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=118420&part=sports

try these...do not know if they work though..

[GigiGalliNo1]

Loeb: "Yes, Ogier and Mikko it's only two seconds, we cannot do anything against Ogier, we can only fight with Mikko, the rest we will see. We will see how the stage goes for the next one and after".

[N.O.T]

Loeb 0.6 faster than Hirvonen !!! its getting really close.....if ogier doen't fix this somehow then he will finish 3rd.

[dimviii]

At least Loeb has a ''reason'' to push for win.Mikko is close lol

[GigiGalliNo1]

Petter: "Yes, I'm happy with the times, looking at the bigger problem, It was difficult taking with a bigger time, but you know It should be ok, we won't win the rally but hoping to get a lot of time , he didn't lose a lot of time."

[rage82]

I'm watching here http://www.mypremium.tv/, you must choose ESPN UK

[dimviii]

Ogier lost 8,7 sec at 3,9 km = slightly more than 2sec/km
remaining 6,9 km x 2 sec/km=14 sec gap now is 12,8
what a nightmare for Ogier

[dimviii]

I'm watching here http://www.mypremium.tv/, you must choose ESPN UK

rage are you already see power stage or football?

[OldF]

Latvala hit a big stone.

At 0:47

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-argentina-2011-the-moment-latvala-lost-the-rally/?vid=2159

[dimviii]

seems that Ogier have a lot of damage..

SOLBERG P. / PATTERSON Ch. (st. č. 11) "I’m just looking at Ogier’s time. He will not win the rally but I’m not sure I will catch him."

[N.O.T]

nothing he could do.....

[J.Lindstroem]

Solberg needs to stay where he is. If so this can be the best pickem run ever for me. Sorry about talking about my pickems all the time but its important for me!!

[dimviii]

any working link?

[AP-Racing]

Anybody knows about live coverage SS18?

[tfp]

What time is the powerstage on??

[Juha_Koo]

Latvala hit a big stone.

At 0:47

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-argentina-2011-the-moment-latvala-lost-the-rally/?vid=2159

Well there's also a big bang at 00:15 and it's to the left front wheel area... They have it in the notes as well "stone in the ruts". Maybe both affected. Shame anyway.

[kobefly]

2 stages and 6,92km to go:

1) Ogier [Citroen] 3:58:57,4
2) Loeb [Citroen] +12,8 (pen: 1:00)
3) Hirvonen [Ford] +15,0
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +46,5
5) Ostberg [Ford] +5:22,5
6) Villagra [Ford] +6:52,9
7) Latvala [Ford] +11:45,6 (pen: 2:10)
8) Wilson [Ford] +13:40,1
9) Block [Ford] +52:37,0 (pen: 0:10)

[kobefly]

Anybody knows about live coverage SS18?FOX Sports LA (Argentina only) but I cannot find online streaming.

[rage82]

live stage is on at 17:10 CET, 18:10 Bulgarian time. It's rugby now but this is on the schedule!

[kobefly]

Ok, I started broadcasting, no sound :(

http://www.justin.tv/kobefly

[N.O.T]

will do thank you very much...

[kobefly]

will do thank you very much...First time I try it, please let me know if you can see image fine.

[dimviii]

First time I try it, please let me know if you can see image fine.
Thanks kobefly,but it sticking and there is no sound

edit now it is ok just not sound.

[uranium]

Latvala hit a big stone.

At 0:47

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-argentina-2011-the-moment-latvala-lost-the-rally/?vid=2159

Can you please translate in two words, what JM is saying?
Thanks.

[René]

http://www.fromsportcom.com/c-10.html

[rage82]

mypremium.tv is working with sound

[jonas_mcrae]

I'm watching here http://www.mypremium.tv/, you must choose ESPN UK

this one is working!!! choose stream 3 or 4 and its good to go, starting just about now!!!

[MR666]

Hirvonen needs to look at him self when by the looks Loeb with his 1min penaltie is still going to win.... it just not right.

On another note congrats to Paddon..... don't think it will be long till we see this guy get a driver of a WRC car.

[N.O.T]

Damn all is lost for ogier.... :(

Loeb will win a rally even with a 1 min penalty....wow !!

[ZequeArgentina]

Wow!!

Now it looks like Ogier will not make it, just 3 seconds over Loeb anf 5,6 over Mikko.
It should be over Mikko and Loeb in the live powerstage!!

[HarriK]

bets to super stage:
1. Petter
2. Mikko
3. JML

[rp]

Hirvonen needs to look at him self when by the looks Loeb with his 1min penaltie is still going to win.... it just not right.

On another note congrats to Paddon..... don't think it will be long till we see this guy get a driver of a WRC car.

Sorry, but it will be still long, long way. Paddon is good, but has to remenber that there is so much great drivers without a Word Rally Cars...

[Luis Pacheco]

Any bets?

Loeb wins with 4 secs advance.

[N.O.T]

its live now....Kocskiuzko limping throught he stage....

[kobefly]

One to go.
Sorry I couldn't set up streaming.

1) Ogier [Citroen] 4:01:33,0
2) Loeb [Citroen] +3,3 (pen: 1:00)
3) Hirvonen [Ford] +5,7
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +36,4
5) Ostberg [Ford] +5:16,9
6) Villagra [Ford] +6:48,3
7) Latvala [Ford] +11:37,5 (pen: 2:10)
8) Wilson [Ford] +13:34,1
9) Block [Ford] +52:32,8 (pen: 0:10)

[GigiGalliNo1]

Last stage?!?!?!?!?!?

[N.O.T]

http://www.veemi.com/embed.php?v=CtKOa4ovSWCHZ2A&vw=640&vh=360&domain=mypremium.tv

[GigiGalliNo1]

Nice one Paddon.

[GigiGalliNo1]

WRCfan(ny) what is Paddon driving?

[N.O.T]

half spin for block....

[N.O.T]

paddon drives a subaru

[N.O.T]

Very agressive driving by latvala....nice

[N.O.T]

Latvala 2 seconds faster than this morning

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good run by Wilson - was up on Latvala at the split !!

[jonas_mcrae]

Good run by Wilson - was up on Latvala at the split !!

yeah not bad, problem is he cant keep that pace for more than 4km...

[N.O.T]

Solberg beats Latvalas time .....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Ahhhh!! Who won?!!?!?!?!? :d

[N.O.T]

Loeb slower !!!!

[N.O.T]

Solberg leads....Loeb second so far...latvala 3rd...Hirvonen and Ogier now

[N.O.T]

Peter wins the power stage !!!!!! Hirvonen matched Loebs time.......

[N.O.T]

Ogier now....lets see....

[N.O.T]

Damn ogier cannot even hold the car straight....he lost the win and the 2nd place for sure.

[MikeD]

Give Loeb a 1 minute penalty and he still wins .... damn, that's just a driver in a different league!

[N.O.T]

Loeb wins the rally !!!!! WOW amazing performance !!!!

Really pity for Latvala and Ogier......

This rally got me pumped up for Acropolis !!!!! DAMN !!!

[rp]

Loeb is the best! Other drivers can win the titles when he will retire...

[wrc1600]

Loeb is the best! Other drivers can win the titles when he will retire...
+1

[Hartusvuori]

BREAKING NEWS! Loeb wins! Any accurate times from Power Stage for Hirvonen and Loeb, who was favoiured by the 1000ths of a second.

[N.O.T]

wrc.com has hirvonen second and Loeb 3rd on the Power stage.

[GigiGalliNo1]

Good that Ostberg gets points! :)

[dimviii]

congrats to Loeb for one of his best wins overall.
Without the penalty,1 minute ahead from everybody while starting first on road for the first day.

Hats off Mr Loeb!!


how is the points now at both championships?

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Amazing comeback win by Loeb... his rivals also had problems but you cant take it away from him, he's still the best.

Pity that the rest cant take advantage when Loeb has a problem ... it would make it more interesting for the title.

[bluuford]

wrc.com has hirvonen second and Loeb 3rd on the Power stage.

So, that means.
Powerstage:
1. Solberg 3 points
2. Hirvonen 2 points
3. Loeb 1 points

Rally:
1. Loeb 26 points
2. Hirvonen 20 points
3. Ogier 15 points
4. Solberg 15 Points
Total:
1. Loeb 126 points
2. Hirvonen 113 points
3. Ogier 96 points
4. Latvala 75 points
5. Solberg 61 points

[Luis Pacheco]

Allez Loeb!!!

Viva la Argentina!!

[N.O.T]

pity to see Latvala so far way and Hirvonen so close....Ogier is coming fast !!!

[uranium]

It is very easy to sit in front of monitor and to blab about Hirvonen etc. Take the wheel and show who you are.
P.S.: There are billion parameters which can take impact on who is fastest, who is not. Especially in such sport, what is autosport and rally particularly.

[Hartusvuori]

Again a question for those that know the statistics better: When was the last time Mr. Loeb took the rally win by taking the lead at the end of the last stage? In Argentina, he won SSS1, but after that he was in the lead not before podium. I think it hasn't happened before, what we know him the best is that he dominates.

[N.O.T]

ok then sbrytskyy next time you disagree with something a politician does and say you go and show you can do better.....

Hirvonen does that lousy driving for some time now so i guess he repeats some of those 1 billion parameters consistently while the rest don't.....

[wrc1600]

ok then sbrytskyy next time you disagree with something a politician does and say you go and show you can do better.....

Hirvonen does that lousy driving for some time now so i guess he repeats some of those 1 billion parameters consistently while the rest don't.....
He is second in championshipans and lost 2,4 seconds to Loeb, if that is lousy driving I would love to drive like that

[HarriK]

I agree- remember that this is WORLD rally serie. How many top drivers are there. If you are in top 5 I think that you are pretty fast!

[N.O.T]

He is second in championshipans and lost 2,4 seconds to Loeb, if that is lousy driving I would love to drive like that

did you miss the part where Loeb took 1 min penalty ??

[wrc1600]

did you miss the part where Loeb took 1 min penalty ??
What does it change?

[N.O.T]

nothing...its ok....

[uranium]

did you miss the part where Loeb took 1 min penalty ??

Hirvonen is 2nd on Power stage. This also means something.
I repeate, to be fast on 350 km, there are two many different parameters driver depends on...

P.S.: As for politics I can say the same. Do it better yourself.

[dimviii]

What does it change?
it changes the 2,4-> 1,02,4 sec.

[wrc1600]

Hirvonen is 2nd on Power stage. This also means something.
I repeate, to be fast on 350 km, there are two many different parameters driver depends on...

P.S.: As for politics I can say the same. Do it better yourself.
+1

[wrc1600]

it changes the 2,2-> 1,02,4 sec.
You are missing the point, Hirvonen is still second in championship and second in Argentina no matter how you calculate

[dimviii]

You are missing the point, Hirvonen is still second in championship and second in Argentina no matter how you calculate

If he is using the same calculator with you, he is NOT going to be world champion ever.

[Barreis]

But Loeb is first and that counts. POWER STAGE IS THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT! :)
PLUS:Loeb won three gravel rallies. What will be when they come on tarmac?!

[wrc1600]

If he is using the same calculator with you, he is NOT going to be world champion ever.
Just follow this link if you still have some doubts http://www.wrc.com/results/

[uranium]

Btw. Loeb is champion for 7 year in a row. Using your calculator Gronholm is also looser, because he couldn't beat Loeb. Solberg is looser, because he can't beat neither Loeb nor even another looser Hirvonen.

[dimviii]

Just follow this link if you still have some doubts http://www.wrc.com/results/

this link says absolutely the same i am telling to you.

[dimviii]

Btw. Loeb is champion for 7 year in a row. Using your calculator Gronholm is also looser, because he couldn't beat Loeb. Solberg is looser, because he can't beat neither Loeb nor even another looser Hirvonen.

yes thats happening always at sports,somebody wins,and somebody is loosing.The difference with Gronholm/Solberg to Mikko is that in their days they weren t loosers in stages/championships.
Really you believe that Mikko for another one more year has something more/better to show against Loeb/Ogier/Latvala?

[wrc1600]

yes thats happening always at sports,somebody wins,and somebody is loosing.The difference with Gronholm/Solberg to Mikko is that in their days they weren t loosers in stages/championships.
Really you believe that Mikko for another one more year has something more/better to show against Loeb/Ogier/Latvala?
He already has shown, since he started he finished 4 out 5 times in top 3. But I think he should retired as well as everyone else apart from Ogier nad Latvala according to your logic.

[kobefly]

God bless Loeb, will never get bored to see him on a WRC.

1) Loeb [Citroen] 4:03:56,9 (pen: 1:00)
2) Hirvonen [Ford] +2,4
3) Ogier [Citroen] +7,3
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +32,6
5) Ostberg [Ford] +5:16,8
6) Villagra [Ford] +6:48,5
7) Latvala [Ford] +11:34,5 (pen: 2:10)
8) Wilson [Ford] +13:32,7
9) Block [Ford] +52:39,9 (pen: 0:10)

[tfp]

God bless Loeb, will never get bored to see him on a WRC.



:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?

[uranium]

:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?

+1

[kobefly]

:p

Am I the only one thats bored of him winning?I am not his biggest fan but I cannot stop admiring him. Ogier seemed to be a threat for him Loeb at the beginning of the season but the big master has the other Seb already dominated. He is amazing.

[dimviii]

He already has shown, since he started he finished 4 out 5 times in top 3. But I think he should retired as well as everyone else apart from Ogier nad Latvala according to your logic.
Dont try to put words in my mouth...i didn t said that Mikko has to retire.
I just answered to you about your logic '' second in championship''
Second in championship is not saying alll the truth if you trying to see under the bonnet...
Argentina was a rally where Mikko haven t got a mechanical problem,and he didn t manage to gain a single win ss.Everybody else gained except Mikko.

[dimviii]

+1
+10000000000

[jonas_mcrae]

The future of the sport is: Give Loeb a 1min penalty at the start of every rally, that should make things interesting

[uranium]

The difference with Gronholm/Solberg to Mikko is that in their days they weren t loosers in stages/championships.
How you determined that?

As for Loeb. Yes, he is very good driver. But we must say, it is Loeb/Citroen champions together. Somethink like Schumacher/Ferrari. Where is Schumacher now?
Got the idea?

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...

[Wim_Impreza]

I agree- remember that this is WORLD rally serie. How many top drivers are there. If you are in top 5 I think that you are pretty fast!

So you think that Matthew Wilson is pretty fast as he was more than once in the top 5 this year too?

[dimviii]

How you determined that?

As for Loeb. Yes, he is very good driver. But we must say, it is Loeb/Citroen champions together. Somethink like Schumacher/Ferrari. Where is Schumacher now?
Got the idea?...
You would be right if Loeb had changed team and couldn t manage wins.Till now it just speculation.


P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...
Latvala is in the same team with the same car.Could you measure the ss wins from Jari/Mikko this year for me?
Don t confuse Loeb with Mikko,the one is 7 times world champion and the other can t win a single ss while without problems.Not so fair for Mikko.
I haven t got something against Mikko,and i am not a Loeb fan,but we have to accept the ''facts''

[Hartusvuori]

According to MTV3.fi, Rally Argentina's jury is talking about the Citroen drivers' making a shortcut on Friday's SS7. Loeb, Ogier and Solberg drove one part of the stage differently than it was marked in the roadbook and thus gained few seconds advantage. As far as I understand it was in the tarmac section where they went past a circle junction from different side than it was marked. Any news about this among forum members?

[GigiGalliNo1]

P.S.: it would be very interesting to give Loeb to put into Ford team...

But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes! Loeb a Fiesta he will do well in. It's not the car it's Loeb! ;)

[uranium]

but we have to accept the ''facts''
So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?

[uranium]

But you can give McRae a Skoda and see where it goes!
What do you mean?

[Rallyper]

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.

[dimviii]

So, accept please, that Hirvonen is the second so far and 13 point behind Loeb only. Where are Ogier and Latvala?

of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.

[dimviii]

So what do you want to see then, Dimviii? A championship with only one on the startline? Mr Loeb?

No one else should bather?

Come on! This is a championship a we have an outstanding driver, yes, but still we have at least 5 or six driver capable of winning every race depending on what happens to cars etz.

i am afraid that you didnt undertant me.Of course i dont want to see only one man show,i am not crazy!
But i can t listen easy conclusions for Loeb even for Mikko.
I genuinly would like Mikko could manage more than now.A 4 way battle would be marvellous for all.

[uranium]

of course i accept that is second.Will you accept that he is not going to be champion?
To be fair is second cause of others problems,and not in terms of speed.In terms of speed is the slowest among the 4 works drivers.This is a fact too.

As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.

[dimviii]

As for championship we will see at the end of year. The fastest != the first. As I said a lot of factors affect rally.
To cut from himself one second is very difficult. Because 1.0 second - you are first, 1.1 sec - crash.
OK lets wait till last championship ss, to see who is right.

[tfp]

Loeb and ctiroen (against only one manufacturer) is a winning formula, it has been for many years. I'd have loads more respect for him if he left the sport he conquered, and joined F1. But(I think) he was frightened of being beaten. So he stays in a motorsport that he knows he can win.

[bluuford]

According to MTV3.fi, Rally Argentina's jury is talking about the Citroen drivers' making a shortcut on Friday's SS7. Loeb, Ogier and Solberg drove one part of the stage differently than it was marked in the roadbook and thus gained few seconds advantage. As far as I understand it was in the tarmac section where they went past a circle junction from different side than it was marked. Any news about this among forum members?

I can tell you that Morrie Chandler himself is the Chairman of the stewards in Argentina (Patric Suberville and Carlos Garcia Remohi are the other stewards).

And for similar thing (not following the road book), Nasser got 5 minute penalty in Greece in 2006.
It was Article 8.1.1. Basically he went straight in one place, he decided not to reverse and continue slowly (was afraid of car behind in the dust) until back on the road.


It probably happened between split 6 and 7:
http://www.wrc.com/results/2011/rally-argentina/split-times/?stageno=7 Suddenly Ogier, Loeb and Solberg were faster than Latvala (they were slower before and slower after - except Loeb who was little bit faster later as well)

I have seen such things happening in Germany and in many other places, without penalty, so. consistency on that point is not clear.

Edit: Ok, bit from the current rules:
14.2 ROAD BOOK
All the crews will receive a road book containing a detailed description of the itinerary. This itinerary and
the road direction diagrams must be followed. Any deviation will be reported to the stewards.