The End Of The Previous, The Beginning Of The Next...

[Hondo]

This has been coming for years. Regardless of whom you believe to be responsilble, all the pushing for "The New World Order" and "Globalization" has been gaining ground. All it needed was one major crisis that threatened the entire world equally, but that the populations of the world could defeat by working together, under one unified command. Man Made Global Warming was almost there when, in the nick of time, enough falsehoods and ommissions were exposed to kill the whole thing dead in it's tracks. The Global Pan demics didn't kill hundreds of millions of people with sweat sock flu. The only thing that came close to global was when financial experts all over the world that giggled about the common folks buying their pittance financial packages realized they had in fact been buying huge bundles of worthless securities themselves. Of course they went whining to the government, who in turn, bailed them out with your money, and then they gave themselves bonuses for their ability to play the government like the fools that they are.

All this brings us to what's coming next. You have to love it. Nobody is in firm control of anything, anywhere on this planet right now. No government is absolutely certain what another will do in any given situation. Soros and his minions are trying to set up meetings to get things back under control but there may be too many genies out of the bottles now to go back. The UN is not much more than a joke, with no real power and a boat load of "peace keeping missions" all over the world protecting the weak and stupid from the weak and stupid. Germany has bailed on NATO http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=212003 no shocking story there either. As pointed out before, to throw off the reccessions, the more capable countries will revert to more nationalistic policies to get out of hock faster and worry about the others later. The USA, having allowed itself to be foolishly prodded into action in Libya by others that never heard of a place called Libya have managed to shoot down a truck for the loss of only 1 Strike Eagle aircraft and now share a common goal of removing Gaddafi with another anti Gaddafi group known as al-Qaeda, with whom they are at war with everyplace else. Hammas has foolishly started zipping rockets into Israel again. Hammas, your arab friends are far too busy watching each other, not to mention their own populations, to get involved in another one of your self made messes right now. The UN can't help you because no body will listen to them. If you continue to annoy Israel, They are going to come stomp a mudhole in your butt like you have never seen before. They will not stop, nor will they be stopped until they are done. They won't care what Obama has to say and every country in western Europe will happily sell Israel whatever munitions they desire.

Politicians are on rocky gound in the west as well. When all that extra tax revenue from global warming fell through the cracks it killed the funds to continue the ponzi schemes of the nanny and welfare states. Now you have the working class, that is sick of taxes, the unions that don't want to give anything up, and the rich, that quite frankly, probably don't have enough to cover what everybody wants anyway, all bickering amongst themselves.

It's going to get, ugly, nasty and violent everywhere before it sorts iself out. I think the next step will more governmental authority at local and regional levels and much less power for central governments. I would think the heads of the Royal Houses in the Middle East are smart enough to know if Gaddafi falls to this popular revolution, they will be next.

[Tazio]

:s ailor:. :rolleyes:

[ArrowsFA1]

This has been coming for years. Regardless of whom you believe to be responsilble, all the pushing for "The New World Order" and "Globalization" has been gaining ground...
Hi Glenn (http://www.glennbeck.com/), how's things? :p :

Globalisation is not coming, it has been a reality for decades, or even centuries. As long ago as 1795 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant) an idea of a league of nations that would control conflict and promote peace between states was being discussed. The Concert of Europe, Geneva Convention and Hague Convention all recognised the reality of independent nations working together, or at least trying to work together, and the League of Nations then the United Nations formalised the idea.

If you want to point to a moment in time to see "The End Of The Previous, The Beginning Of The Next..." then look no further than World War 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I).

[Hondo]

One of the Libyan rebel commanders is now admitting he has support from al-Qaeda fighters in his romp against Gaddafi. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

The USA is talking about providing weapons to the Libyan rebels. That's great, let's help supply al-Qaeda with munitions. After all, we're allies.

C'mon back and roll your eyes some more while you brush up on your Yorktown surrender details.

The USA needs to come home and stay home. Let the denizens of the Middle East handle things their own way and Europe can bargain for oil with the winners.

[Eki]

Is the end of the beginning the beginning of a new end? What's the point to live?

[Captain VXR]

One of the Libyan rebel commanders is now admitting he has support from al-Qaeda fighters in his romp against Gaddafi. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html

The USA is talking about providing weapons to the Libyan rebels. That's great, let's help supply al-Qaeda with munitions. After all, we're allies.

C'mon back and roll your eyes some more while you brush up on your Yorktown surrender details.

The USA needs to come home and stay home. Let the denizens of the Middle East handle things their own way and Europe can bargain for oil with the winners.
Lockerbie. IRA. Gadaffi supports terrorism.
What the article doesn't mention is how many/what proportion of the rebels are Al Qaeda members/supporters, it could be three people.
We cannot stand by and watch a dictator murder thousands of their citizens when they want change.
By the way, I would support the assassination of Mugabe, Jong-Il, Ahmadinejad etc and no fly zones being put in place in their countries

[Hondo]

Is the end of the beginning the beginning of a new end? What's the point to live?
There is no new end or new beginning, merely restarts of what has been done before and forgotten or is believed to be possible this time. The point of living is the pursuit of your own options. You might make it, you might not.

[Hondo]

Lockerbie. IRA. Gadaffi supports terrorism.
What the article doesn't mention is how many/what proportion of the rebels are Al Qaeda members/supporters, it could be three people.
We cannot stand by and watch a dictator murder thousands of their citizens when they want change.
By the way, I would support the assassination of Mugabe, Jong-Il, Ahmadinejad etc and no fly zones being put in place in their countries

Until that dictator comes across your border to slap you directly, you can easily stand by and do nothing. Jong-II is an embarrassment for China to deal with. He is their creation via their support of North Korea during the Korean War. Mugabe is the product of a worldwide feel good campaign to force Rhodesia, a country that used to feed itself and prosper, to accept a majority rule government system. Mugabe is the product of the popular vote. Let them keep him.

I too, would support various covert actions, but the west has lost their stomachs for it. We have forgotten how to be ruthless.

[Captain VXR]

Until that dictator comes across your border to slap you directly, you can easily stand by and do nothing. Jong-II is an embarrassment for China to deal with. He is their creation via their support of North Korea during the Korean War. Mugabe is the product of a worldwide feel good campaign to force Rhodesia, a country that used to feed itself and prosper, to accept a majority rule government system. Mugabe is the product of the popular vote. Let them keep him.

I too, would support various covert actions, but the west has lost their stomachs for it. We have forgotten how to be ruthless.

Somehow I don't think that Zimbabwe has free and fair elections
And it won't look good on the western world if it fails to help those in need especially as we have a bad reputation already in some parts of the world

[Hondo]

Nobody in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) cares what you believe about their elections. It's about what you can prove and sometimes that isn't enough. I can't think of an election in any country in the last 20 years that hasn't had parts or all of it's results called into question. That's life in the election business.

I'll try this again, slowly. Rhodesia did not need any help, they were prospering and doing fine. Much if not most, or possibly all of their black population had no voting rights pertaining to running the country. The western world thought that was horrible and piled all manner of economic sanctions on Rhodesia to force the government to change to something more majority based, hip, and chic. Rhodesia finally threw in the towel and changed the rules. Lots of savvy white folks hauled ass out of there while they could. The elections came down to a tribal thing and Mugabe was the grand prize winner. Contrary to government promises to protect them, many remaining whites were slaughtered and had their farms and businesses confiscated. The western powers and media don't like to talk about Mugabe because he is solely their creation, same as Idi Amin was to Uganda. So again, thats the political system the majority wanted and the leader the majority wanted and they are welcome to keep him.

[Captain VXR]

Nobody in Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) cares what you believe about their elections. It's about what you can prove and sometimes that isn't enough. I can't think of an election in any country in the last 20 years that hasn't had parts or all of it's results called into question. That's life in the election business.

I'll try this again, slowly. Rhodesia did not need any help, they were prospering and doing fine. Much if not most, or possibly all of their black population had no voting rights pertaining to running the country. The western world thought that was horrible and piled all manner of economic sanctions on Rhodesia to force the government to change to something more majority based, hip, and chic. Rhodesia finally threw in the towel and changed the rules. Lots of savvy white folks hauled ass out of there while they could. The elections came down to a tribal thing and Mugabe was the grand prize winner. Contrary to government promises to protect them, many remaining whites were slaughtered and had their farms and businesses confiscated. The western powers and media don't like to talk about Mugabe because he is solely their creation, same as Idi Amin was to Uganda. So again, thats the political system the majority wanted and the leader the majority wanted and they are welcome to keep him.

Except for the majority want change now, but fear reprisals if they speak out/vote for the opposition

[Hondo]

The basic problem in Africa stems from deeply rooted tribal ties based upon oral histories that provoke a sense of nationalism. The tribes want to be independent of a central government and rule themselves by their own laws and customs. Except for the weaker tribes that historically got the crap kicked out of them on a regular basis. They still get the crap kicked out of them on a regular basis. They want protection from what they are unwilling or unable to stop. Zimbabwe is an execellent example of the myth of multi-cultural societies. To the outside world, Zimbabwe looks like one country and one culture whose citizens are too stupid to get their act together. In reality, they are different cultures confined to exist within a fixed geographical area where the largest or strongest culture is going to dominate the others.

While the majority may want change (I don't know), I doubt they could agree on what that change should be and whomever they replace Mugabe with will end up just like him in the end. Until the overwhelming majority of the population begins to identify themselves, first, foremost, and only as citizens of the nation of Zimbabwe and leave the tribal crap to history and genealogy studies, the situation in Zimbabwe and countries like it will remain the same.

[Captain VXR]

The basic problem in Africa stems from deeply rooted tribal ties based upon oral histories that provoke a sense of nationalism. The tribes want to be independent of a central government and rule themselves by their own laws and customs. Except for the weaker tribes that historically got the crap kicked out of them on a regular basis. They still get the crap kicked out of them on a regular basis. They want protection from what they are unwilling or unable to stop. Zimbabwe is an execellent example of the myth of multi-cultural societies. To the outside world, Zimbabwe looks like one country and one culture whose citizens are too stupid to get their act together. In reality, they are different cultures confined to exist within a fixed geographical area where the largest or strongest culture is going to dominate the others.

While the majority may want change (I don't know), I doubt they could agree on what that change should be and whomever they replace Mugabe with will end up just like him in the end. Until the overwhelming majority of the population begins to identify themselves, first, foremost, and only as citizens of the nation of Zimbabwe and leave the tribal crap to history and genealogy studies, the situation in Zimbabwe and countries like it will remain the same.
Ghana and Kenya are generally peaceful even though the people are proud of their tribal origins e.g. the Maasai

[Hondo]

They have learned. Others take longer to learn. Some never learn.

[BDunnell]

Lockerbie. IRA. Gadaffi supports terrorism.

Lockerbie, despite the Hague 'verdict', may be more complex than that. And let's not forget the funding certain US administrations also gave to the IRA. But your general point holds. The 1986 Berlin disco bombing, 25 years ago next week, is another example, one aided by another corrupt regime, that of East Germany.



What the article doesn't mention is how many/what proportion of the rebels are Al Qaeda members/supporters, it could be three people.

Yes, I doubt any polls have been taken.

[BDunnell]

To the outside world, Zimbabwe looks like one country and one culture whose citizens are too stupid to get their act together.

I'm not certain that it does.