We're gonna be busy here...

[fandango]

So with the prediction of 3-4 stops per car per race, Kers and the movable rear wing, there are going to be a LOT of speed differences between cars. This will most likely lead to a lot more incidents. We'll have a lot to debate. I wonder will the stewards be able to cope, and who will be first to be run off the road by Michael :) ?

[Bagwan]

KERS , they have experience with , but , anyone want to predict how long it will take before serious review , and removal of the moveable aspect of that rear wing ?
Mind you , it may be hard to pinpoint the real culprit , as far as direct reasons for crashes goes , as there are so many variables added here .

A car with good skins and KERS might be able to defend against more worn tires , KERS , and that wing thing .
KERS and the wing thing might be too much for the tires , leaving you vulnerable and slow , or stopping more .
Too much sensory input might be too much to cope with for the odd driver in the clutch(pardon the pun) situation .

I must admit to having a fair amount of anticipation , especially with the opener delayed , of this seaon being pretty interesting .
Although , it does look like it might be pretty screwed up with controversy .
I just hope nobody gets hurt .

[Kevincal]

I like how F1 changes every year, keeps things exciting, really looking forward to how things play out. :)

[Mark]

Bernie himself has said he can't see how the moveable wing thing can be sensibly enforced if you are 'within a second' of the car in front. It'll probably be at the first race where some team complains that a driver is using the moveable wing when they aren't within a second, it'll be chaos.

The tyres will be an issue for the first few races, but (do we have to say it again) it's what the teams and the FIA asked for, but if they want changes I'm sure Pirelli will respond. The FIA could help by getting rid of the stupid "two types of tyre" rule, and just let Pirelli bring a single type of tyre, this will reduce costs for everyone and allow more interesting strategies. As far from shaking things up having to use both types of tyre actually reduces the options the teams have for strategy and if they are going to do more or less stops than the opposition.

[Big Ben]

I hope by the time f1 gets to europe they will have realized moveable rear wings (as they are to be used under the current rules) are the dumbest idea ever and be done with them. I don't know if this kind of pathetic show they try to put on is worth waking up at 5 or 6 AM for.

All this talk about improving the show makes me sick. They are there to compete not to put on shows.

[TheFamousEccles]

I'm betting that Alonzo is the first to feel the Shu Shoulder... ;) don't ask me why, I just feel it in me waters :rolleyes:

[fandango]

Bernie himself has said he can't see how the moveable wing thing can be sensibly enforced if you are 'within a second' of the car in front. It'll probably be at the first race where some team complains that a driver is using the moveable wing when they aren't within a second, it'll be chaos.

I thought the onboard computer controlled whether the driver can use it.

[Mark]

That would be sensible, but I believe is not the case.

[Bagwan]

There is some question whether the driver the driver behind , entering the zone , must already be close enough to activate , or whether he may enter the zone , and get close enough inside it , to activate it .
If he's allowed to enter the zone too far behind to activate , but allowed to minimize the wing once he gets close enough whilst in the zone , then doesn't it open it up that the driver being passed may also activate once passed ?
That's not confusing at all .

And , doesn't sound dangerous at all , either .
( by the way , if you didn't catch the sarcasm dripping from my last two sentences , this is your heads up )


In my opinion , they must allow them to use the device whenever they wish , or ban it .
It is too friggin dangerous , and waaaaaaaay to friggin complicated any other way .

[Big Ben]

There is some question whether the driver the driver behind , entering the zone , must already be close enough to activate , or whether he may enter the zone , and get close enough inside it , to activate it .
If he's allowed to enter the zone too far behind to activate , but allowed to minimize the wing once he gets close enough whilst in the zone , then doesn't it open it up that the driver being passed may also activate once passed ?
That's not confusing at all .

And , doesn't sound dangerous at all , either .
( by the way , if you didn't catch the sarcasm dripping from my last two sentences , this is your heads up )


In my opinion , they must allow them to use the device whenever they wish , or ban it .
It is too friggin dangerous , and waaaaaaaay to friggin complicated any other way .

Amen

[Roamy]

So with the prediction of 3-4 stops per car per race, Kers and the movable rear wing, there are going to be a LOT of speed differences between cars. This will most likely lead to a lot more incidents. We'll have a lot to debate. I wonder will the stewards be able to cope, and who will be first to be run off the road by Michael :) ?

I would imagine Rosberg will be the first of many. They will probably screw someone up with that wing and then ban it. To bad it should be banned now

[maxter]

That would be sensible, but I believe is not the case.


The FIA has already successfully tested the software that will be used to manage the wing rules at the races – with the devices activated if a driver gets within one second of the car ahead of him at the corner preceding a designated straight
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89820

[UltimateDanGTR]

most of these new ideas have been to improve the show.

If they don't make most races a chopping and changing incident filled overtaking packed thrill ride, whats the point?

[steveaki13]

There is some question whether the driver the driver behind , entering the zone , must already be close enough to activate , or whether he may enter the zone , and get close enough inside it , to activate it .
If he's allowed to enter the zone too far behind to activate , but allowed to minimize the wing once he gets close enough whilst in the zone , then doesn't it open it up that the driver being passed may also activate once passed ?
That's not confusing at all .

And , doesn't sound dangerous at all , either .
( by the way , if you didn't catch the sarcasm dripping from my last two sentences , this is your heads up )


In my opinion , they must allow them to use the device whenever they wish , or ban it .
It is too friggin dangerous , and waaaaaaaay to friggin complicated any other way .


Amen

Seconded.

[Bagwan]

"The FIA has already successfully tested the software that will be used to manage the wing rules at the races – with the devices activated if a driver gets within one second of the car ahead of him at the corner preceding a designated straight"

So , we'll see drivers ahead , itching to get over the line at which the zone starts , and those behind diving to get in the zone .

I presume we'll get a graphic , so we know whether the pass is legitimate , or if it's the "sitting duck" scenario .

Will both drivers know ?
Will the guy ahead get a clue as to whether he's a "sitting duck" or not ?
You'd want to know how fast the guy behind is coming .
In the past , you got a bit of a clue by the colour of the car at least .

Now , with younger skins , KERS , and the "Magic-Pass Excitement-o-rama" moveable wing behind you , you might as well pull over .
Don't worry . We'll understand .
You never had a chance .

And , don't worry that the guy who passed you will get the glory , as there won't be much there when you apply the "sitting duck" discount to his fortune .


For dog sake , let them have free rein , or ban them .

Someone is going to get hurt here ! I hate to say it , but I fear it's true .

[truefan72]

I can't see that movable rear wing lasting past the 3rd gP TBH

[Mark]

Meh, it's crazy. I think a better solution would just be that you can use it whenever you are using KERS.

[Bagwan]

How will this work ?
You have four drivers , and all are within one second of the car in front .
Will they all be able to deploy the DRS ?

Is this a five car pile-up waiting to happen ?


They are able to use this thing anywhere in practice and qualifying apparently .
So , the qualifying pace will never be even close to being touched in the race .


There will be penalties for using the device outside the zone , or unqualified use , but , what will these be ?


And , if it's tight at the end of the race , who will want to be leading the penultimate lap ?

I understand there will , at least , be a "sitting duck" announcer , in the broadcast , to show us who is getting hosed , so we will know when skill is involved in the pass , and not the POS( oh , sorry , I meant DRS) wing thingy .

[Dave B]

Let the teams have unrestricted KERS. If they think the extra power is worth the weight penalty, that's their decision. Mandate a less effective front and rear wing, then let the drivers GO RACING without any stupid gimmicks.

If we ever get reverse grids, ballast, sprinklers, or any of the other nonsense Bernie wants, I'm off.

[wedge]

Let the teams have unrestricted KERS. If they think the extra power is worth the weight penalty, that's their decision. Mandate a less effective front and rear wing, then let the drivers GO RACING without any stupid gimmicks.

If we ever get reverse grids, ballast, sprinklers, or any of the other nonsense Bernie wants, I'm off.

Weight has been regarded as a handicap but people forget that in 2009 Ferrari did a lot of work in shedding weight (which in turn compromised their development of the diffusers that year)

A problem with KERS is the cost of developing an unrestricted system.

[Koz]

There will be penalties for using the device outside the zone , or unqualified use , but , what will these be ?
As I gather is, the software would only let it work in "special zones", so you won't be able to use them outside the zones at all...


And , if it's tight at the end of the race , who will want to be leading the penultimate lap ?

I understand there will , at least , be a "sitting duck" announcer , in the broadcast , to show us who is getting hosed , so we will know when skill is involved in the pass , and not the POS( oh , sorry , I meant DRS) wing thingy .

I have a fear that what this will turn into... It will be the race of the slowest, with no one wanting to be ahead of anyone else...
Try your luck on the last straight of the last lap? Is this supposed to be racing?

What happens if there is a safety car? The lead car will be overtaken by the 8 cars behind it?
Since they can't defend position anyway and the cars behind them will have more speed, where does it leave them? From first out of them top 10 on one straight???

So much for the possibility of epic battles.



Is this a five car pile-up waiting to happen ?


Probably is. I just hope they realise how pathetically stupid it is in the first race and scrap it immediately.

[Garry Walker]

Let the teams have unrestricted KERS. If they think the extra power is worth the weight penalty, that's their decision. Mandate a less effective front and rear wing, then let the drivers GO RACING without any stupid gimmicks.

If we ever get reverse grids, ballast, sprinklers, or any of the other nonsense Bernie wants, I'm off.

Yeah, it is quite funny how FIA dudes cannot understand that most real racing fans want just one thing. Give the drivers proper cars and let them race. None of this entertainment crap, this is not Wrestling.





What happens if there is a safety car? The lead car will be overtaken by the 8 cars behind it?

Probably is. I just hope they realise how pathetically stupid it is in the first race and scrap it immediately.

1) Thats a good point actually, have FIA said anything about how this works during SC period? It would be complete nonsense if it truly was like that the only the leading car cannot use the extra speed.

2) They will realize, but they wont scrap it. This is supposedly a plan worthy of Einstein that they came up with, they would never admit what every F1 fan with an IQ over 40 already knows - this idea is nonsense.

[Koz]

2) They will realize, but they wont scrap it. This is supposedly a plan worthy of Einstein that they came up with, they would never admit what every F1 fan with an IQ over 40 already knows - this idea is nonsense.

Could the GPDA could boycott it's use?

[fandango]

The problem with the new rear wing thing is very simple. Imagine that you're with one of your friends who is vaguely in F1, but not a fan like we are here. During the race, said mate turns to you and says "what's all that rear wing wing zone, adjustable stuff about?" Could you effectively answer the question in ten words?

The tyres situation will spice things up enough. Pirelli have done the right thing. And the lesson? If the world is too boring for you, just add Italy...

[truefan72]

1) Thats a good point actually, have FIA said anything about how this works during SC period? It would be complete nonsense if it truly was like that the only the leading car cannot use the extra speed.

2) They will realize, but they wont scrap it. This is supposedly a plan worthy of Einstein that they came up with, they would never admit what every F1 fan with an IQ over 40 already knows - this idea is nonsense.

well said

[jens]

Before 2009 there were fears of a huge pile-up too if all cars push the KERS button after the start. Usually reality turns out to be less dramatic than predicted - drivers are professionals and adapt. And in the past in F1 there have been a fair amount of pile-ups in any case, so we wouldn't see anything historic.

[Zico]

Race director Charlie Whiting has denied that the new moveable rear wings in Formula 1 will give race control any more influence over races.

The system allow drivers to reduce drag, aiding overtaking in straights.

It can only be deployed if a driver is within a second of the car in front, as measured by race control, and from a specific point on the track.

"Race control has no influence over the outcome of a race. The system will be armed automatically," said Whiting.

The introduction of the moveable rear wings, along with the return of the Kers system which reapplies kinetic energy that would otherwise have been lost as heat, has been designed to make the sport more exciting in 2011.

The system will be tuned with with the intention of assisting the following driver, not guaranteeing him an overtaking manoeuvre

Charlie Whiting

However, some have suggested that a device that can only be used with approval from the FIA's race control could be a source of controversy.

Whiting stated that the rules are clear and allow no room for subjectivity.

"Cars will simply have to get within one second of the one in front, the system will be armed automatically and the driver can use it at the predetermined point," added Whiting.

"There is no question of race control being able to intervene."

Whiting said the benefit of the moveable wing system is "likely to be in the region of 10-12km/h difference at the end of the straight", but he is also keen to ensure that it does not become decisive in battles between drivers.

"It should be remembered though that the distance over which the system may be used is going to be tuned with the intention of assisting the following driver, not guaranteeing him an overtaking manoeuvre," he commented.

In the event of a malfunction in the FIA's timings systems, drivers will be able to activate the system without being notified by the on-board electronics, but they will still need permission from race control.

Heavy penalties will be imposed for its unauthorised use.

Whiting added that there will be lines painted on the track to indicate where proximity between two cars is detected and again on the following straight to show where the driver can use the system.

It is thought that the latter line will come around 600 metres before the braking zone.

Television broadcasters will be sent a signal when the system is armed to enable them to inform their viewers.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9426578.stm


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