Rallye Tour de Corse 2011

[wwbroe]

Third rally for the IRC championship will be held in Corsica in may. I found on website that this would be the itinary:

Etape 1 - Jeudi 12 Mai 2011
ES - SS 1/2 LE FANGU – ND DE LA SERRA – 27.53 km

Etape 2 - Vendredi 13 Mai 2011
ES - SS 3/8 ERBAJOLO – PONT D’ALTIANI – 23.26 km
ES - SS 4/6 BARCHETTA – LA PORTA – 15,28 km
ES - SS 5/7 TAVERNA – PONT DE CASTIRLA – 24.81 km

Etape 3 - Samedi 14 Mai 2011
ES - SS 9/14 SARROLA – PLAGE DU LIAMONE – 20.05 km
ES - SS 10/12 MARATO – ACQUA DORIA – 22.47 km
ES - SS 11/13 BOCOGNANO – BASTELICA – 26.70 km


Does any of you forummembers have any idea about maps of those stages? I am interested in any format of maps. Thanks in advance. ;)

[PLuto]

I can offer only complete timetable...

[wwbroe]

That is also interesting, so please let us know Pluto :D

Any additional info is welcome ofcourse. ;)

[Francis44]

Im very happy that this Rally will go International again, dont really know why they got rid of it.

[Motorsportfun]

So, can we do shopping for free at E.Leclerc, right? :D

Seriously, Eurosport will broadcast LIVE these stages?

ES - SS 5/7 TAVERNA – PONT DE CASTIRLA – 24.81 km
ES - SS 11/13 BOCOGNANO – BASTELICA – 26.70 km

[PLuto]

There was plan for live coverage, but with change date I dont believe in it so much.

[stepunk]

Itinerary: http://www.asacc.fr/file/102080/

[Rallytourist]

Itinerary: http://www.asacc.fr/file/102080/


Seems to be good . Possibility to do 9 of the 14 stages

[wwbroe]

So, still no news about the stages? I mean maps or gps coordinates, nobody knows anything about this?

[stepunk]

Maps now available on official site: http://www.asacc.fr/downloads/ (file size 14 Mb)

[wwbroe]

Thanks for the info, if somebody has some gps coordinates that would be great.

[dcr22B]

6 hours of LIVE stages announced at Tour de Corse press conference this morning!

[RS]

Peugeot are sponsoring this event but have announced no "special" drivers yet: http://peugeot.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=4&stid=9205

I wonder if they are keeping their cards close to their chest so Skoda don't out-do them!

[Tom206wrc]

MISS FRANCE 2011 will drive an RCZ coupé as "00" car in Corsica :D

Pitty she doesn't come from this island(she's from Britanny in fact)would have been completely crazy as coincidence :p :

[PLuto]

Oh ****. Is she good rriver or should miss first stage which will be cancelled?

[ironseb]

F. Delecour will be on start list with a 207 S2000 with the last evo.

[Barreis]

Good news..

[RS]

Any intelligence yet on who Peugeot will run on Corse? I am sure they are going to want to win that one and after Canarias I think they will see their current lineup might not be strong enough. I expect at least Sarrazin and maybe Petter there? Or for some wild cards Andreucci or Duval?

Skoda say they are going to think about their lineup for Corse in the coming days. I guess it will be the usual gang (Hanninen, Kopecky, Loix, Mikkelsen and Vouilloz)

Are Proton going to Corse? Maybe somebody else could borrow Basso? :D

[dimviii]

only Ucci think that he can manage a win against Skodas.Really strong line-up this year for them

[Mirek]

I'm not sure about Juho. He is going to drive Sardegna and I don't know if two events on different surface few days after each other is good.

[HaCo]

Any intelligence yet on who Peugeot will run on Corse? I am sure they are going to want to win that one and after Canarias I think they will see their current lineup might not be strong enough. I expect at least Sarrazin and maybe Petter there? Or for some wild cards Andreucci or Duval?

Skoda say they are going to think about their lineup for Corse in the coming days. I guess it will be the usual gang (Hanninen, Kopecky, Loix, Mikkelsen and Vouilloz)

Are Proton going to Corse? Maybe somebody else could borrow Basso? :D

Isn't this awesome about IRC. Everyone with a Pug can score for Pug. Pitty it is no longer the rule in WRC!

Looking forward to this event, certainly after seeing Canarias.

[RS]

I'm not sure about Juho. He is going to drive Sardegna and I don't know if two events on different surface few days after each other is good.

If Hanninen doesn't run then I guess Vouilloz will get a promotion to the full works team?

[mousti]

If Hanninen doesn't run then I guess Vouilloz will get a promotion to the full works team?
I think he'll get the same deal as he had in MC.

BTW Andruecci would be a great asset for Peugeot in Tour de Corse stages in the mountains there a bit like the most Italian stages where Andruecci is superfast!

[wwbroe]

Normally Juho will not run in Corsica, at least not at this moment. But then, on the orther hand, he wasn't supposed to do Canarias either, so i guess we will have to wait and see. For me, i would for sure like to see him running over there. :D

[PLuto]

Hanninen's programme was expanded, he will do most of IRC events...

[dimviii]

Hanninen's programme was expanded, he will do most of IRC events...

Quesnels fever is going up from now.Lets see how is going to react

[RS]

Campana confirmed with 207: http://peugeot.rallye-info.com/article.asp?sid=4&stid=9251

[mousti]

Hanninen's programme was expanded, he will do most of IRC events...
I hope Ypres on it, didn't win it yet :p and good warming up for ADAC Rally !

[Mirek]

Juho doesn't like Ypres stages.

[mousti]

Juho doesn't like Ypres stages.
When we hear that in Belgium we know enough, after last year he doesn't like and is scared of the ditches ;) but that's rallying though...

[Mirek]

It's not after last year. He said that already before...

[mousti]

It's not after last year. He said that already before...
But still it'll because of that, it's not like the stages suck, Ypres is tricky, nowhere in Belgian stages suck will be because of the stages many European drivers didn't like the ditches. But anyways I don't even think that confirms Juho will not start here if he has ambition and we know he's a real sportsman he would not withdraw to start here. My oppinion..

[Mirek]

I haven't said he wouldn't start. In fact I hope he will because I will be there also ;)

[mousti]

Fair point :D , would be great to meet u then also :D

[wwbroe]

He doesn't like Ypres very much, so i think changes of seeing him there are rather small.

[jbmarcus21]

Google Earth Map is out http://bit.ly/eWzHUu

[Tom206wrc]

When is entrylist published ??? More news about entries ??? :confused:

[Hartusvuori]

He doesn't like Ypres very much, so i think changes of seeing him there are rather small.

On news piece released today at IRC's website, it says that it's very likely that Hänninen's next IRC rally will be Barum Czech Rally Zlín in August. I hope he would get more tarmac rallies before that.

[pucky54]

On news piece released today at IRC's website, it says that it's very likely that Hänninen's next IRC rally will be Barum Czech Rally Zlín in August. I hope he would get more tarmac rallies before that.

Would be two hard weeks for him if he is going to Corsica, because he is also doing Sardinia

[mousti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I3L3tuhbNY&feature=feedu

Test Jean-François Succi with the Fabia !

[Tom206wrc]

Matthieu Léandri(another Corsican) will drive the First Motorsport's 207 S2000 there too ;)

[mousti]

Matthieu Léandri(another Corsican) will drive the First Motorsport's 207 S2000 there too ;)

Yep indeed.. http://i52.tinypic.com/f06ozo.jpg ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Swiss driver Florient Gonon will be present at the wheels of his Subaru ;)

I hope it's for next week we'll get entrylist :mark:

[tolis]

I hope it's for next week we'll get entrylist :mark:
Publication day of the entry list is Wednesday, according to Rally Guide.

[wwbroe]

Probably Nicolas Vouilloz won't do Tour de Corse, it was planned he would but i have heard that he will not be there unfortunally.

[Tom206wrc]

Budget problem for Vouilloz ??? :mark:

[Tom206wrc]

Publication day of the entry list is Wednesday, according to Rally Guide.


Thanks ;)

[RS]

Probably Nicolas Vouilloz won't do Tour de Corse, it was planned he would but i have heard that he will not be there unfortunally.

That would be a shame. I think he could have gone well there.

I guess that means that instead Juho will go after all.

[Tom206wrc]

Do you know if Stéphane Sarrazin will run Corsica too, as this coming week-end he will be at Spa-Francorchamps to run the 1000km endurance race :confused:

[Tom206wrc]

Also there was a rumour of presence of Alexandre Bengué in a Mini S2000 in Corsica(after the annoucement of his forfait from Rallye Lyon-Charbonnières)...more news ??? :confused:

[Mirek]

1.6T are not allowed in IRC, so he can run only in national field.

[mousti]

1.6T are not allowed in IRC, so he can run only in national field.
How will they do that when there's a IRC event with ERC also in it, like Ypres? Will be a bit confusing because like Tsjoen will maybe enter with it but if it only counts for ERC and not for IRC..

[wwbroe]

I suppose they will make separate classifications, because like it was said here before, with 1,6T you cannot run in IRC. Those rally's that count for both IRC and ERC, like Ypres, Barum, Madeira will have to keep that in mind.

[mousti]

I suppose they will make separate classifications, because like it was said here before, with 1,6T you cannot run in IRC. Those rally's that count for both IRC and ERC, like Ypres, Barum, Madeira will have to keep that in mind.
And then the question is who will feel the real winner then of Ypres. If that happens I don't think Tsjoen will rent a Mini then because he will not compete against the IRC stars what not really he's ambition but competing with them is what he likes and for the BRC for what we now know nobody is probably able to challenge him there.

[wwbroe]

We will see what happens and how many drivers want to present a 1,6T at start of the rally. I guess organisers are well aware of the problem.

[Mirek]

How will they do that when there's a IRC event with ERC also in it, like Ypres? Will be a bit confusing because like Tsjoen will maybe enter with it but if it only counts for ERC and not for IRC..

That is real problem. For some time it looked like these events would have to choose either IRC or ERC but not both. In the moment I think that they will run separate field of all ERC-registred competitors and the rest including IRC. Since ERC is in FIA hierarchy higher championship, ERC competitors shall run first and overall winner of the event shall be chosen from ERC field.

Fortunately it's only this season with such mess, next year 1.6T are running in IRC also and there will be no more problems.

[mousti]

That is real problem. For some time it looked like these events would have to choose either IRC or ERC but not both. In the moment I think that they will run separate field of all ERC-registred competitors and the rest including IRC. Since ERC is in FIA hierarchy higher championship, ERC competitors shall run first and overall winner of the event shall be chosen from ERC field.

Fortunately it's only this season with such mess, next year 1.6T are running in IRC also and there will be no more problems.
Then maybe Tsjoen will be motivated to rent one, being winner of the overall Ypres rally for 2nd time he would love that.

[RS]

To add further question to the mess; will the 1.6Ts on ERC events be WRC spec engine or "Regional Rally Car" engine?

[Mirek]

ERC = FIA Regional Championship ;)

[RS]

ERC = FIA Regional Championship ;)

Of course... I did wonder since nobody seemed to know what spec the Minis were running in Portugal until after the event started!

So I presume IRC will run the RRC spec in 2012?

[mousti]

Of course... I did wonder since nobody seemed to know what spec the Minis were running in Portugal until after the event started!

So I presume IRC will run the RRC spec in 2012?
Yep.

[mousti]

Motorsport News in UK says Proton will NOT contest IRC Corsica due to clash with APRC. Mmm interesting if that's true..

[Tom206wrc]

News entrylist ??? Normally it's today that it must be published :confused:

[pucky54]

Motorsport News in UK says Proton will NOT contest IRC Corsica due to clash with APRC. Mmm interesting if that's true..

thats right, they already announced that on Gran Canaria

[RS]

Should be quite a decent entry list for Corsica so I guess it would be quite hard for Proton to score points here anyway.

[mousti]

Entry list is up !! http://www.rallye-sport.fr/liste-des-engages-tour-de-corse-2011/

19 S2000 not record breaking..

[Tom206wrc]

I've just discovered the entrylist too and wanted to be the first to post it on this forum :p :

[wwbroe]

I see that Jan Kopecky has changed his name :D

[wwbroe]

Not really a great entrylist, i was expecting a litlle bit more. Wonder if there will be somebody that can create some surprise in result.

[Hartusvuori]

I see that Jan Kopecky has changed his name :D

I see he has changed his appearance as well! (http://www.google.fi/search?q=FABIANI%20Lorenzo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:fi :o fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=fi&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=869)

[mousti]

I see he has changed his appearance as well! (http://www.google.fi/search?q=FABIANI%20Lorenzo&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:fi :o fficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&hl=fi&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=869)
Will he even get in the car with that frame?? :D

If u want to have a possible surprise it'll maybe Pierre Campana.

[RS]

Indeed that is disappointing but I still suspect it will be an entertaining rally if Canarias was anything to go by, plus we have live tv.

I guess Peugeot didn't bother sending anyone "special" so Skoda didn't need to respond.... a product of the almost date clash with Sardinia and Sarrazin's Le Mans programme?

[Mirek]

I agree, I also expected something more. It's not bad entry list but there is nothing more than expected, no nice surprise after all...

[Tom206wrc]

Indeed that is disappointing but I still suspect it will be an entertaining rally if Canarias was anything to go by, plus we have live tv.

I guess Peugeot didn't bother sending anyone "special" so Skoda didn't need to respond.... a product of the almost date clash with Sardinia and Sarrazin's Le Mans programme?


I guess Olivier Quesnel just remembered what happened to Robert Kubica a few days before the F1 season started and didn't want to take risks... :mark:

[mousti]

I guess Olivier Quesnel just remembered what happened to Robert Kubica a few days before the F1 season started and didn't want to take risks... :mark:
Well 1000KM's of Spa is really exhausting for a driver and for sure one who is going for the win. He'll probably be not fully recuperated and quesnel has probably also full confidence in Bouffier.

[RS]

Well 1000KM's of Spa is really exhausting for a driver and for sure one who is going for the win. He'll probably be not fully recuperated and quesnel has probably also full confidence in Bouffier.

On Canarias Bouffier didn't show enough....

Ok, so I am a Skoda fan but I really hope Skoda win this one to teach Quesnel a lesson for not supporting Peugeot's home rally better!

[mousti]

On Canarias Bouffier didn't show enough....

Ok, so I am a Skoda fan but I really hope Skoda win this one to teach Quesnel a lesson for not supporting Peugeot's home rally better!
Yeah and this is on home soil.. Something very different than in Canarias so really I wouldn't put him away of the Favorite list..

And now u want Quesnel to lose because he doesn't hire extra drivers, in MC he got complains about that because he didn't want to lose in their first home rally this year although it's Monte Carlo for them it's still a home rally.

I only want Peugeot winning with Thierry behind the wheel only that Peugeot may win ^^

[RS]

I wouldn't discount Bouffier either, but on the evidence of Canarias he might not be quick enough. I'm not sure if he has driven much on Corsica before even though it is French territory?

Complaints against Quesnel hiring extra drivers for Monte is news to me?

[bluuford]

In my view, there is Monte, there is WRC and there is IRC. Our good old friend in Peugeot does not give a s..t about IRC but he does know that Monte is more than just one or another round in the championship.

[urabus-denoS2000]

What's with nr. 4 ???

[bluuford]

What's with nr. 4 ???

It is allowed to change one name (pilot or co-pilot but not both of them) just before the rally. So, Škoda maybe wanted to show to Peugeot that their stars are not going to Italy ;-)

[wwbroe]

Their star is in Italy, he is called Hanninen, other drivers will try to do Corsica. :D

[JTGANG]

I am curious to see how Campana will perform....he was one of the fastest guys with the Clio R3 so believe will be very high in the classification although i think is his 2nd race with the 207 S2000

[RICARDO75]

It's wrong, Lorenzo Fabiani as got #45 and will enter with a Renault Clio S1600

This is the oficial entry list
http://www.asacc.fr/file/106309/

[RICARDO75]

It's wrong, Lorenzo Fabiani as got #45 and will enter with a Renault Clio S1600

This is the oficial entry list
http://www.asacc.fr/file/106309/

[Mirek]

Frankly I wouldn't want to have No.4 on my car on Corsica. Just for the feeling...

[RICARDO75]

Frankly I wouldn't want to have No.4 on my car on Corsica. Just for the feeling...

:) #4 was out of Tour de Corse from 1987 to 1994

[mousti]

Heard of Yannick Willockx engineer of Loix that Delecour will not start??? :S

[wwbroe]

That would be pitty, especially for Peugeot.

[RS]

It seems that Mikkelsen will be run by the factory team on Corsica (maybe because his car and team were on Sardinia last weekend?) I presume this is why Vouilloz is not driving eventually.

[mousti]

Vouilloz had budget problems I thought and I think they've enough Fabias for getting Vouilloz a ride if necessary. Maybe Mikkelsen's car need some repairs after a hard rally or some other reason. Gravel kit switching to tarmac kit is in some hours done I thought. Oh well much difference it'll not give I think.

[pucky54]

Mikkelsen used Skoda Motorsport car on IRC events. So I guess its the same on Corsica

[Hartusvuori]

An update in Toni Gardemeister's TGS Facebook page: "TGS' tip of the day: Apply for a summer job in the local post office in this island. Then drive back and forth the island for the whole summer and think what kind of pacenotes would suit those corners the best. By the autumn you would be a master - if not a post office master at least a pacenote master!"

There seems to be a healthy dose of respect to those 1000s of corners in that crew. :-)

[wwbroe]

Mikkelsen's car will be run by Skoda Italy as they did in the past. He will have offcourse also the backing of Skoda Motorsport in case of serious problems, but the car will not be run by SM. I will soon be on my way to airport to leave to Calvi. :)

[pucky54]

Mikkelsen's car will be run by Skoda Italy as they did in the past. He will have offcourse also the backing of Skoda Motorsport in case of serious problems, but the car will not be run by SM.

Thats like they do it

[Tom206wrc]

Heard of Yannick Willockx engineer of Loix that Delecour will not start??? :S



Oh please NOOOO !!!! :mad:

[Donalduck]

When does shakedown start? The event webside dont seem to work...

[Mirek]

Event website works, but there is no shakedown for the event.
http://www.asacc.fr/

[Donalduck]

Thanks. The itinerary link from the IRC site diddent work!

[Mirek]

You can use backup link from autosport.cz but it's not granted that they are latest available.

Supplementary regulations: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=11418
Timetable: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=11420
Maps: http://www.autosport.cz/zavody/soubor.php?f=11421

[Wim_Impreza]

There are again no pickems for this nice rally championship?

[Tom206wrc]

Apparently Peugeot would have refused to give Delecour new tyres for his car, explaning his forfait :eek: :s

[Sulland]

So was Delecour to use used tyres ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Just a quick question - can someone start with a 1,6T in a IRC rally and be ignored by the results ( like Subaru a few years ago ) , or is it not possible to even start ?

[PLuto]

Actually not, but we will see. Still lot of discussion about it.

[PLuto]

Start list into first leg - http://www.irc-results.com/2011/irc/corse/1etapa.php

[RS]

I guess at this stage it will only matter if Mini register for the championship. I'm not sure if that will happen but it would be great to see Meeke and Sordo on Monte 2012 with a couple of RRC Minis!

[PLuto]

I am talking about 2011 - it is sure that 1.6 car cannot start and be classified in IRC. From 2012 it will be possible.

[nzabevAMSM]

Any web tv stream for live stages?

[mousti]

Tomorrow probably yes :)

I hope we see minimal a Mini in Ypres!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Rally is ont the way...

[mousti]

Loix like always start a bit slow :) . Confidence need to come.

Wilks faster than Freddy eventhough he had a spin..

Kopecky fastest right now.

[AP-Racing]

Delecour didn't start?

[RS]

Let's see if someone will beat Kopecky, I think he tends to be better on faster events but we will see...

[piquet20]

live timing?

[mousti]

Neuville goddamned stay calm u young gun, or is the combination with two ambitious young guys so good?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Fantastic Neuville!!!! really great!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

live timing?
http://www.irc-results.com/2011/irc/corse/1irc.php

[piquet20]

thanks

[RS]

Pretty close times for a very long stage.... interested to see Sandell's time.

[mousti]

Campana dissapoints me a bit thought he would be a bit faster :)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Well... Magalhaes is always the slowest driver from usual IRC drivers...

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Campana dissapoints me a bit thought he would be a bit faster :)

Also to me... but ok... he said he didn't took any risks.. let's see hw he will do in the 2nd loop

[mousti]

Sandell loses 55 seconds ! Arai more then a minute, scratch for Neuville.

[FAlonso]

]Well... Magalhaes is always the slowest driver from usual IRC drivers...

However the Rally Radio guys credited his time as being 16m19.3. It was like so on the live timing also but then it was updated to a 16m28.3. Not quite sure has gone on there.

[Tom206wrc]

To me Campana time on SS1 is OK...he's not used to the 207 and doesn't run as often as Loix and the others ;)

[mousti]

Gonon fastest N4 that guy need a brand new car like a Impreza R4 Florian very fast :) . Loix was immediateley fast with a S2000 :)

[JTGANG]

I was expecting much faster time from Albertini with his Megane as he was extremely fast on the Clio R3.....Very strange he lost 34" from the first Clio

[PLuto]

Delecour didn't start?

Yes, he is missing.

[PLuto]

after SS 1 Kopecký and Loix changed rear stabilizer and Sandeel changed steering

[RS]

I guess the top times will be under 16m second time through....

[HaCo]

First times should be arriving...

[HaCo]

Freddy a bit faster than Bryan.

Looking forward to the other times!

[Mirek]

That's incredibly close for almost 30 km long stage... untill Neuville :)

[Hartusvuori]

Did I hear anyone say tight? Whoa...

[HaCo]

Neuville phenominal!!!!

:D :D :D

[mousti]

He's not even crazy friendly :D He's crazy fast !!!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Neuville is flying...

[RS]

Sandell faster than first run but still a looonnngg way off the pace.

[PLuto]

Bengue with Mini on SS 2 set 16:38.8

[Honza H.]

Sandell faster than first run but still a looonnngg way off the pace.

I didn´t expect Sandell in the top 3, but being soooo much off the pace, it must be really frustrating for him. He for sure has expected better times after the good results in the SWRC in France and Germany last year.
But we mustn´t forget:
a) In the SWRC there were no tarmac specialists, so it was easier for Patrick to shine
b) Corsica roads are twistier thus more technical and not that fast

But still I hope we´ll see at least a slight improvement of Patrick!

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville phenominal!!!!

:D :D :D



I was just wishing Neuville + 207 combination to be faster than Loix + Fabia combi, before the start of rally :p :

[mousti]

Bengue with Mini on SS 2 set 16:38.8
Slow :s Okay Bengue has no rhytym at all and first time that he did that stage but so much of the pace is as bad like what Sandell is doing now.

[Mirek]

He is running Mini with small restrictor and that may be a reason too...

[mousti]

He is running Mini with small restrictor and that may be a reason too...
I know but Perico did it quite well though? But anyways with small restrictor how much hp would they have and would it be still more than a 'real' S2000.

[Mirek]

For sure it is not more than normal S2000 if we speak about peak power.

I don't remember any good result of Mini S2000 on tarmac. And I have doubts that 1.6T in TRT where Navarra won, have small restrictor...

[mousti]

Isn't that against the rules should be like the Gr N drivers tried that in Belgian fixing their restrictor size like Bijvelds or Deconinck did :-/. And Mini has maybe then even not the advantage of turbo inside it then..

[Mirek]

I don't know rules of TRT. I don't say they are cheating but I'm really unsure if the rules say max. 30 or 33 for TRT.

[mousti]

Mmm I thought anything besides WRC is a regional championship so? Or do I see that rule a bit wrong?

[stepunk]

I don't know rules of TRT. I don't say they are cheating but I'm really unsure if the rules say max. 30 or 33 for TRT.

It should be 30 mm but... we'll never know the size of restrictor in Navarra's Mini at Rally Adriatico! ;) Anyway I really enjoyed watch him fly on that beautiful stages! :)
But Perego on the same car, one week before, struggled a lot on tarmac... I think that Mini has been developed more for gravel than for tarmac: this could be another reason for Bengue's time.

[Mirek]

Mmm I thought anything besides WRC is a regional championship so? Or do I see that rule a bit wrong?

No, :) Regional championship is ERC, APRC, CODASUR, African championship. In national series rules are up to national ASN if the event is held under the ASN or up to other organizer authority (like let's say DRS in Germany). Of course they can choose FIA rules for any reason.


It should be 30 mm but... we'll never know the size of restrictor in Navarra's Mini at Rally Adriatico! ;) Anyway I really enjoyed watch him fly on that beautiful stages! :)
But Perego on the same car, one week before, struggled a lot on tarmac... I think that Mini has been developed more for gravel than for tarmac: this could be another reason for Bengue's time.

I don't think that Mini is just gravel car especially considering both main test drivers are asphalt aces. It should be easy to find, do You have rules for TRT? Maybe even onboard from Adriatico could give us the answer because there are different rpm for each restrictor size...

[mousti]

No, :) Regional championship is ERC, APRC, CODASUR, African championship. In national series rules are up to national ASN if the event is held under the ASN or up to other organizer authority (like let's say DRS in Germany). Of course they can choose FIA rules for any reason.

Thank u Mirek my teacher always learning me some good stuff :D

[RS]

I don't understand the mentality of having all these different restrictor sizes. Why can't we have one for WRCars, one for S1600T cars and that is it!?

[PLuto]

Because they arrived too late with regulations. And it was sure that on the beginning of this season will be only very low number of Minis for local champ. With big restrictor, everybody with this car should be unbeatable and his rivals wont be able to buy similar car. Thats why this year there are different restrictors.

[stepunk]

I don't think that Mini is just gravel car especially considering both main test drivers are asphalt aces. It should be easy to find, do You have rules for TRT? Maybe even onboard from Adriatico could give us the answer because there are different rpm for each restrictor size...

Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIx3Ggru0_Y starting from min 5:00 onboard from Navarra - Adriatico!
The rule for TRT is 30 mm restrictor: I was just joking! (but anyway, if someone wants, could be easy "play" with restrictors, isn't it? ;) )
And now... back to Corse!!!

[PLuto]

Yes, stage and live coverage on Eurosport 1 starts in few minutes.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

You know some link to watch it on Internet?

[gregwrc]

]You know some link to watch it on Internet?

http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/6/88/v-268947.html

[[Madeira-Rally]]

http://www.fromsportcom.com/v-2/6/88/v-268947.html

Thanks ;)

[HarriK]

http://www.silversportz.co.uk/

[Sulland]

http://www.freefootball.org/events/20110513_0800_IRC_Rally_Corsica.html

[Hartusvuori]

Shame for Gardemeister that he can't pull it through with Skoda. Yesterday in his FB post he said they made some changes to setup at service, but that was to worse. Apparently it isn't to his liking yet either.

[Mirek]

Looks like this was Peugeot stage.

[Hartusvuori]

Some 80+ SS-kms behind and top five within less than 10 seconds!

[Sulland]

Shame for Gardemeister that he can't pull it through with Skoda. Yesterday in his FB post he said they made some changes to setup at service, but that was to worse. Apparently it isn't to his liking yet either.

Remember he is on Hankook, and they are not on par with Michelin !

[stepunk]

Anyone hear what Loix and Kopecky say at the end of the stage? Have they got some problems? Mikkelsen faster then them on tarmac looks quite strange!

[hari]

Anyone hear what Loix and Kopecky say at the end of the stage? Have they got some problems? Mikkelsen faster then them on tarmac looks quite strange!

Kopecky said he was too careful in twisty narrow part in the middle of the stage. Loix said he had a good feeling, but in last downhill section he took it too easy, had no good feeling.

[Hartusvuori]

Remember he is on Hankook, and they are not on par with Michelin !

True - but still it could be better if Toni finds a setup that he feels totally comfortable in.

[Honza H.]

Shame for Gardemeister that he can't pull it through with Skoda. Yesterday in his FB post he said they made some changes to setup at service, but that was to worse. Apparently it isn't to his liking yet either.

Yes, Toni is struggling a bit, but still, good to see him back! Btw., as far as I remember, Toni has never been good in setting up his car, maybe some experienced advisor would be useful for him.....

[Viking]

Anyone hear what Loix and Kopecky say at the end of the stage? Have they got some problems? Mikkelsen faster then them on tarmac looks quite strange!

Get used to it ;)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Wilks out...

[Mirek]

Reported to went off.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Yes... and crew is ok...

[stepunk]

Today Arai with his R4 is faster than Gonon with a traditional N4!

P.s. What a time by Bouffier!!!

[RS]

Shame for Gardemeister that he can't pull it through with Skoda. Yesterday in his FB post he said they made some changes to setup at service, but that was to worse. Apparently it isn't to his liking yet either.

I like Toni but I just don't think he is as fast as the top IRC guys on asphalt. On Monte he ran a 207 on Michelin and the story was the same.

I think he (and Sandell) will do much better on Azores.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Puncture for Bouffier....

[urabus-denoS2000]

Does Loix have children ? I bet he's great in telling ged time stories with his soft tone :D

[RS]

I think Al-Rajhi's time might be wrong :D

Edit: now corrected.

[AP-Racing]

I like Toni but I just don't think he is as fast as the top IRC guys on asphalt. On Monte he ran a 207 on Michelin and the story was the same.


You know, problem isn't Tony, problem with difference between factory Skoda's and client's Skoda's

[RS]

You know, problem isn't Tony, problem with difference between factory Skoda's and client's Skoda's

Maybe it's a small part of the difference, but I don't believe a client Skoda is slower than a works Proton (Toni finished behind Basso on Canarias)

I guess it is a little bit of everything adding up to a big one (tyres, driver, setup, client car)

At least he is ahead of Sandell.

[Jeppe]

You know, problem isn't Tony, problem with difference between factory Skoda's and client's Skoda's

Well.. But Kresta can do fairly well with client car in Czech championships.

I think it´s more or less setup (car/tyres) problem with Toni..

[Sulland]

A few have complained about set up after the first stages. Lets see if some of them gets it right after the break.

I guess the man in the Megane will get faster after a few adjustments, since he as a driver is supposed to be fast.

[Honza H.]

Well.. But Kresta can do fairly well with client car in Czech championships.

I think it´s more or less setup (car/tyres) problem with Toni..

I agree with RS: with Toni, it´s probably a little bit of everything that slows him down sooo much in the end + we mustn´t forget that he drives his own car, so a big crash would be crucial for his financial resources.

Mirek would probably know more, but after Canarias he mentioned that Toni got a promise of new motor parts or even of a new improved motor from Skoda.

[Honza H.]

Well.. But Kresta can do fairly well with client car in Czech championships.

I think it´s more or less setup (car/tyres) problem with Toni..

Yes, like I already mentioned, unlike Toni, Kresta is deemed to be one of the best "set-upers" there is.

[Mirek]

Mirek would probably know more, but after Canarias he mentioned that Toni got a promise of new motor parts or even of a new improved motor from Skoda.


That wasn't me who said that ;)

[Sulland]

Is this one streamed online somewhere, or is it the next one ?

[stepunk]

No tv stages this afternoon!

[OldF]

The Finnish commentators on Eurosport said that Toni would get updates to the engine.


Here are http://channel.ellegy.com/ (Rally 2011 / Test Mini RRC) sound samples for Mini with 30 mm restrictor. For me it looks like the rev changes are made at about 6700-6800 rpm.

It seems that even in this case calculating with the relative size (area) of the restrictors ( 31 mm / 33 mm) give a pretty good result if WRC cars make the gear change at 8000 rpm.

[Luis Pacheco]

No tv stages this afternoon!


　
Friday 13 May

09:00 - 10:00 SS3 Erbajolo – Pont d’Altiani EUROSPORT
12:00 - 13:00 SS5 Taverna – Pont de Castirla EUROSPORT 2
17:30 - 18:30 SS8 Erbajolo – Pont d’Altiani

[Honza H.]

That wasn't me who said that ;)

Well, then it must have been PLuto :)

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Strange situation with Campana... what accident in the stage :s

[Mirek]

Well, then it must have been PLuto :)

Rizek ;)


]Strange situation with Campana... what accident in the stage :s

His own?

[stepunk]

　
Friday 13 May

09:00 - 10:00 SS3 Erbajolo – Pont d’Altiani EUROSPORT
12:00 - 13:00 SS5 Taverna – Pont de Castirla EUROSPORT 2
17:30 - 18:30 SS8 Erbajolo – Pont d’Altiani

My mistake, 'cause in Italy SS8 isn't scheduled on Eurosport or Eurosport2!

[[Madeira-Rally]]

No... it look's something related with zero car... maybe Vatanen had an off and then back on the road or something...

And also... the stage is stopped...

[Luis Pacheco]

The ambulance is on the stage.

[RS]

My mistake, 'cause in Italy SS8 isn't scheduled on Eurosport or Eurosport2!

SS8 is only on Eurosport France and Eurosport Player + France 3 Corsica-Via Stella.

[Luis Pacheco]

One of the zero cars is driven by Miss France?

[[Madeira-Rally]]

No... ZERO car is Vatanen & Vatanen

[Luis Pacheco]

Zero car is Vatanen and son, I know. But there are other zero cars.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

Sorry... I didn't understood well you question... Miss France is the co-driver of 00 car

[Juha_Koo]

SS6 to be run as a liaison section, SS7 delayed by 15 minutes due to accident of zero car.

What the hell is going on?

[Juha_Koo]

Vatanen zero car off, Max fine, Ari complaining his back and he has been airlifted to hospital for precautionary check. Possibly the same corner where Wilks went off this morning.

[Luis Pacheco]

15 minutes delay for stage 7.

[[Madeira-Rally]]

From IRC RAlly Radio FB


Information update - Stage six has been cancelled and will run as a liaison section. Stage seven will run with a 15-minute delay. Regarding the crew, Max Vatanen is not injured. Ari Vatanen has complained of back pains and has been flown to hospital by helicopter for what we understand are precautionary checks. More news when we get it.

[Tom206wrc]

Pitty for the Vatanen family :(

[Tom206wrc]

]Sorry... I didn't understood well you question... Miss France is the co-driver of 00 car



I thought she was at the wheels :confused:
Who is her driver ??? Someone known ??? :confused:

[noel157]

After Ari's big off in Argentina would imagine it's been fragile ever since.

Ari was asked about driving the 207 RC -"It's a car that a young man or an old man can drive...."

Peugeot UK preview and day one (and Ari):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWC_raBNWYQ

[papar007]

Any link for ss8?

[Tom206wrc]

Neuville best time again(SS7) :bounce:
Kopecky 2nd Mikkelsen 3rd, Loix 4th...

[Tom206wrc]

Sandell 36" better than Neuville ??? Only in dreams :D

[dimviii]

Very nice pace from Campana so far!faster and faster after ss.
Also Neuville with 2 spares according to irc site.

[RS]

Sandell 36" better than Neuville ??? Only in dreams :D

Yes, time was wrong by 1 minute...

[pucky54]

is there already a working stream on rtbf.be ?

[Juha_Koo]

Campana's driving looked great when I watched the morning's live broadcast. Very neat lines and using the whole road in a very effective way. Pleasure to watch. :)

[mousti]

is there already a working stream on rtbf.be ?
For now no image :(

Edit: http://www.rtbf.be/livecenter/live_irc-tour-de-corse?id=14933

[pucky54]

For now no image :(

Edit: http://www.rtbf.be/livecenter/live_irc-tour-de-corse?id=14933

Thanks!!

white screen with green banner at the moment?

[mousti]

Thanks!!

white screen with green banner at the moment?
No I've live feed now, onboard Campana now..

[RICARDO75]

Doesn´t work in Portugal :(

[mousti]

Can't feel good if u get asked "Toni what happened your time is so bad" and answers "Nothing" Poor Toni :(

[RS]

Can't feel good if u get asked "Toni what happened your time is so bad" and answers "Nothing" Poor Toni :(

I think Toni and Hankook need to do some testing before future rounds. It doesn't seem to be the car, +36s on Loix on this stage.

[mousti]

Neuville again Scratch !!! 1.5 sec faster than Loix

He was driving on the splits of Loix it seems!

Ends day 2 as a leader again.

[RS]

Neuville again Scratch !!! 1.5 sec faster than Loix

He was driving on the splits of Loix it seems!

Long day tomorrow but at this rate Neuville should have it under control. Impressive.

[AP-Racing]

Mirek would probably know more, but after Canarias he mentioned that Toni got a promise of new motor parts or even of a new improved motor from Skoda.

Yes, Toni haven't much money and scared destroyed the car, but don't forget, what Skoda have new engine version, and Tony not....

[Viking]

5,6sec between the 3 Skodas fighting? for second...

[Honza H.]

It seems that all Škodas have chosen quite defensive tactics without any additional risking ..... maybe the spirit of Juho is missing. BUT: Tomorrow still 138 km to go!

[AP-Racing]

Any news about Ari?

[mousti]

It seems that all Škodas have chosen quite defensive tactics without any additional risking ..... maybe the spirit of Juho is missing. BUT: Tomorrow still 138 km to go!
U could be right, Juho was never really happy if he weren't on the first place. Jan and Loix are happy but I understand them too they just want to secure there place too for getting good points in the standings. If Thierry will win this and that's for sure not confirmed with one more long day to come but if he does then he gets a big rival for everyone at IRC.

[MJW]

Legend Vatanen to undergo operation
Following his accident on the sixth stage of Tour de Corse-E.Leclerc, where he was driving a Peugeot 207 RC Rally as the route-opening zero car, rallying legend Ari Vatanen will be taken to hospital in Marseille for an operation to stabilise the injury to his neck.



The Finn requires a routine operation to repair the injury he sustained in a heavy frontal impact, but is expected to make a complete recovery once the surgery has been carried out.

Vatanen is expected to be airlifted to hospital either tonight or tomorrow for the operation, as soon as suitable transport can be arranged. His son Max, who was with him in the car, was uninjured.
Any news about Ari?

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/870/870_korsicka_rally_2011_00b7de8e67.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/870/870_korsicka_rally_2011_456b244f15.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/870/870_korsicka_rally_2011_2d36c0ae50.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/870/870_korsicka_rally_2011_b9ba03dcf0.jpg

More photos HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=870&startpos=0&fseason=&fcat=&fauthor=&ftxt=) ;)

[RS]

I've just been watching the live footage from today's stages which I recorded earlier. Really nice scenery and camera shots from Corsica...

Neuville is a joy to watch, this boy will go far.

Regarding Gardemeister you can see from the onboards that he is lacking some commitment. Maybe he just doesn't have confidence in the car or tyres... I think you really have to put a lot of energy into these cars to get them to work properly and that's where he is losing out. Maybe still stuck in the ways of driving the old lazy WRCars?

[dimviii]

Maybe still stuck in the ways of driving the old lazy WRCars?
99,9% imho.If you see differences with r3 cars maybe 100%

[Honza H.]

Any news about the times of Alex Bengue?

[Mirek]

Very nice pace from Campana so far!faster and faster after ss.

And that with client car. No excuses but great driving!

[Mirek]

Any news about the times of Alex Bengue?

SS2: Neuville 15:57, Bengue 16:38
SS7: Neuville 9:07, Bengue 9:29
SS8: Neuville 15:06, Bengue 15:44

[AP-Racing]

SS2: Neuville 15:57, Bengue 16:38
SS7: Neuville 9:07, Bengue 9:29
SS8: Neuville 15:06, Bengue 15:44

So slow?

[HarriK]

Working stream please?

[mousti]

Neuville lost 8-9 seconds to Kopecky :( stated the car was too high and moved alot :(

[stepunk]

SS 10 results? Starting time was 10:43...

[mousti]

Indeed 17 mins delay, checked the official timing also so..

[mousti]

Okay result service seemed a bit in sleep :D now they're working Leandri had a puncture

[Juha_Koo]

Neuville starting to feel the pressure... On SS9 he was sliding all over the place, at one slow right hander almost lost it, way too fast into the braking and saving it with big slide.

[mousti]

Bad setup he has..

Campana loses 9 seconds here on Bouffier battle coming up there too. Mikkelsen has gearbox problems mmm..

[Wim_Impreza]

Go Kopecký, Loix and Gardemeister.

Is Quesnel there? Than it are teamorders for Campana in favor to Bouffier...

[mousti]

Kopecky found some fighting spirit..

[mousti]

Neuville takes scratch !! If Campana will do teamorders it will not be free ;) he'll get something in place for that because he has nothing to do with Peugeot Sport.

[HaCo]

Awesome! :D

[stepunk]

What a fight!

[Juha_Koo]

Bad setup he has..

Maybe a bit yes, but overdriving it clearly. I guess he received the +4,0 split to his car because after that he was like a raging bull.

Campana's driving is very precise and beautiful. Sandell again very dissapointed, talking with curse words.

[Sulland]

Bad setup he has..

But do they change the setup over night, when it works as good as yesterday for Neuville ?

[mousti]

But do they change the setup over night, when it works as good as yesterday for Neuville ?
Yeah good question maybe they thought those stages from this morning were a bit more bumpy than yesterday and that's why they got it higher? I really don't know why, he was complaining bout it though.

Sandell found out before ss10 that rear diff got broken.