Rally Jordan

[MJW]

The civil unrest in Bahrain is also happening to a certain extent in Jordan. When does the freight have to go to Jordan? I guess that everything will be ok, but British Foreign Office advice is against all but essential travel to the middle eastern countries affected.

[MJW]

SAFETY AND SECURITY
Safety and Security - Political Situation

Since the beginning of 2011, protests have taken place in many parts of Jordan on Fridays and, in some cases, on other days of the week. To date these have been peaceful. Rapidly evolving regional developments in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere continue to have an impact on local public opinion. Occasionally demonstrations may also occur in response to events in Gaza and the West Bank, at refugee camps, university campuses and town centres. Be aware of local sensitivities on these issues. Follow news reports and be alert to regional developments, which might trigger public disturbances. You should take sensible precautions for your personal safety and avoid political gatherings and demonstrations. Avoid downtown Amman after Friday midday prayers and be aware of the possibility of spontaneous demonstrations occuring elsewhere.

[jbmarcus21]

#WRC Jordan Rally Google Earth Map is out http://bit.ly/f29DNm

[OldF]

Jordan Rally organization is at stake because of the unrest in Syria north of Jordania. That’s because the teams trucks drives true Syria.

Today, Friday, the FIA ​​World Rally Championship Commission President Jarmo Mahonen meet at 19.00 local time Citroen and Ford representatives. Topics of the meeting is Jordan Rally.

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F03%2F1301562%2Fjordanian-mm-rallin-jarjestaminen-uhattuna

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[tfp]

Sorry to sound heartless here, but all this fighting in the middle east is getting really old for us motorsport fans!
Cant they declare a ceasefire until the rally is over:-)

[MJW]

Just to bring this back to the front page, see here.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90210

[OldF]

Now we have two different threads for rally Jordan 2011, “Rally Jordan” and “Jordan Rally WRC 2011”.

[OldF]

Now we have two different threads for rally Jordan 2011, “Rally Jordan” and “Jordan Rally WRC 2011”.

[MJW]

Totally agree, can a moderator merge?

[alleskids]

Why not drive the trucks to Turkey, as planned, and arrange a ferry in Turkey to sail to Israel, drive trough Isreal for Jordan?

[bowler]

it is nowhere near as easy as it sounds

[BleAivano]

Sorry to sound heartless here, but all this fighting in the middle east is getting really old for us motorsport fans!
Cant they declare a ceasefire until the rally is over:-)

quasnel says that the containers with the equipment can be sent through the suez canal instead of going through Syria but that its not only a matter of safety but also a moral issue
with them coming their to "play" with the cars while the populations is struggling. It would be morally wrong and cold hearted to do so.

[BleAivano]

Why not drive the trucks to Turkey, as planned, and arrange a ferry in Turkey to sail to Israel, drive trough Isreal for Jordan?

i think the back up plan is to go through suez canal, down through the gulf of suez, then around sharm-el-sheik and up through the gulf of Aqaba and then dock in a
Jordans only seaport in Aqaba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aqaba). Then to drive the final 300km to Amman (http://goo.gl/maps/SboO).

[br21]

teams forcing fia to cancel rally jordan and run rally poland instead? anyone heard of that rumour?

[N.O.T]

that would be ideal....but can poland organise a wrc event in such short notice ? i don't think so...

[hype]

Any news on this?

[6789]

Poland would play into Ford's hands, maybe run it during the sumer break period?

[nzabevAMSM]

Bulgaria can step in also. First weekend of july, after Greece - short trip for teams and easier to organize since they are running ERC

[ProRally]

Tomorrow final decision.... look on at the moment...

[hype]

Tomorrow final decision.... look on at the moment...

Do you know a website where the decision will be posted?

[tolis]

Found that on ewrc.cz... Spuštěna tipovačka na Jordánskou rally

[Barreis]

What's that?

[hype]

Tried to translate it into different languages, but it doesn't make sense :D

[Mirek]

Hehe, it means that pickem for Jordan is opened :D

[Barreis]

That's good..

[hype]

So Rally Jordan is taking place?

[tfp]

Anyone heard anything yet?

[ironseb]

No :(

[mousti]

So we can say it will go through? If not Kuipers Sr will maybe enter TAC rally :/

[hype]

I hope so, everything is already booked :/

[luca]

I know from official sources that Rally Jordan will be running as planned but its not annouced yet

[ProRally]

Correct, event will go ahead, they just need to find a solution where the RoRo boat goes to...
Good because me to have everything booked and payed for :D

[MJW]

I know from official sources that Rally Jordan will be running as planned but its not annouced yet
Yes rally will run, the question is will the wrc teams be there? The trucks, Citroen, Ford, NOS, and Michelin come from europe and its their safety in transit through Syria is the problem. Rally cars and crews will fly in, its the spares, the recce cars, wrc fuel and tyres thats the area of concern.

[hype]

Any updated news would be very useful :)
Isn't there a good source?

[MJW]

From what I know FIA decision is due friday. I am almost certain the rally will go ahead, but due to warnings from European governments the teams, especially Citroen have questioned whether it is wise to go there for the rally. If the rally runs and WRC teams dont turn up it will be a middle east type entry. I think we will all have to wait and see.

[tfp]

Glad its going ahead. Imagine the TV coverage on motors if ford or citroen didnt show up:-)

[Crocone]

teams forcing fia to cancel rally jordan and run rally poland instead? anyone heard of that rumour?

This is a great idea. I would be very happy. I think that Rally Poland it's the second best event after Rally Finland, and I'm talking about stages. There are very nice stages, fast and with good surface. And also they have a great tradition in rallying. In my opinion I think that Rally Poland it's the best rally event that oficials bring into WRC in last few years. And more of the point...I don't really like Rally Jordan too mutch.

[kobefly]

Itinerary
1) Thu 14| 11:33 - Wadi Shueib [8,65km]
2) Thu 14| 12:16 - Mount Nebo [11,09km]
3) Thu 14| 13:03 - Ma'in [17,00km]
4) Thu 14| 15:30 - Wadi Shueib [8,65km]
5) Thu 14| 16:13 - Mount Nebo [11,09km]
6) Thu 14| 17:00 - Ma'in [17,00km]
7) Fri 15| 9:03 - Suwayma [13,50km]
8) Fri 15| 9:46 - Kafrain [17,20km]
9) Fri 15| 10:49 - Jordan River [41,45km]
10) Fri 15| 13:37 - Suwayma [13,50km]
11) Fri 15| 14:20 - Kafrain [17,20km]
12) Fri 15| 15:23 - Jordan River [41,45km]
13) Sat 16| 8:20 - Yakrut [14,16km]
14) Sat 16| 8:50 - Bahath [12,53km]
15) Sat 16| 9:35 - Mahes [20,44km]
16) Sat 16| 10:18 - Baptism Site [10,50km]
17) Sat 16| 12:18 - Yakrut [14,16km]
18) Sat 16| 12:48 - Bahath [12,53km]
19) Sat 16| 13:33 - Mahes [20,44km]
20) Sat 16| 15:00 - Baptism Site [10,50km]

[6789]

Plus they get 1000's of people out on the stages. Some massive jumps in Poland

[General Prim]

This is a great idea. I would be very happy. I think that Rally Poland it's the second best event after Rally Finland, and I'm talking about stages. There are very nice stages, fast and with good surface. And also they have a great tradition in rallying. In my opinion I think that Rally Poland it's the best rally event that oficials bring into WRC in last few years. And more of the point...I don't really like Rally Jordan too mutch.

Have you been ever in both events? I suppose you don't...

[jbmarcus21]

Timetable, Program, Entrylist, Google Earth Map, Mobile Live Results http://bit.ly/f29DNm

[luca]

So all is clear http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90374

[Allyc85]

Great news :D

[hype]

Nice :)

[alleskids]

The trucks did not go back to the teams home base, but left Portugal today for Israel, with the same equipement that was used in the Portugal rally. Have the rallycars been revised and rebuilt somewere in Portugal? Are there teams who did not partisipate in Portugal, but want to rally in Jordan, had to drive to Faro to join the WRC caravan?

[hype]

Has someone been to Jordan in 2008/2010 and can give me some hints on the stages?

[J4MIE]

I'm glad that it looks like it's going ahead, hopefully there won't be any issues with the event. I don't know why a lot of you don't like it, it seems a very nice event and one I'd love to go to, nice stages, nice scenery, lots of history and culture there not to mention the sunshine :D

[hype]

Yep, can't wait to go there.
Petra, Wadi Rum, Jerash, Dead Sea.... awesome!

[Co-driven]

I've read that Rally Cyprus 2005 recce was delayed too and they had to hire local group N cars for the teams to do the recce.

Does anyone has pictures of this rally, specially form the recce?

[fegh]

Yep, can't wait to go there.
Petra, Wadi Rum, Jerash, Dead Sea.... awesome!

I've been there twice (2008 and 2009), it is really a very nice rally and lot of places to visit.

[Hartusvuori]

Have the rallycars been revised and rebuilt somewere in Portugal?

In M-Sport's newsletter it says competetive cars were transported to Luxembourg and then flown straight to Amman.

[Hartusvuori]

Further delays for Jordan:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90629

[RobertS]

In M-Sport's newsletter it says competetive cars were transported to Luxembourg and then flown straight to Amman.
They are there:
http://www.duen.hu/fotoalbum/jordan_rally_2011?sorozat=27329

http://www.duen.hu/kepek/foto/110416_jordan/DuEn_Jordan2011_1093.jpg

http://www.duen.hu/kepek/foto/110416_jordan/DuEn_Jordan2011_1087.jpg

http://www.duen.hu/kepek/foto/110416_jordan/DuEn_Jordan2011_1091.jpg

[N.O.T]

the livery of hennings car remains unchanged.

[Pinto]

any one the latest,i herd there was a meeting of the teams to decide if thursdays stages will run,i belive midnight tonight when the boat will dock but no customs till the morning,its a bit micky mouse this situation for the wrc

[Barreis]

True.

[Iskald]

From Autosport:
"WRC recces usually use Group N-style rally cars to give drivers an accurate impression of the roads and conditions. There would be safety concerns over using lesser-spec or road-based vehicles as driving through the stages in these cars would not give the drivers the same level of information as a rally car would."

What a load of rubbish! Safety concerns??? This is really not a major issue, but some journalists are led to believe anything. Of course it is the ideal situation to do recce in a rally prepared Group N car, but a hire car (road-based vehicle) will do the job nearly as good. Most of the competitors in any rally will do their recce in "normal" cars anyway. I have done quite a few in my time, and believe me, this is no reason for safety concerns!

[Allyc85]

Im surprised there isnt more discussion about this event considering the trouble the teams are having getting their stuff to the event!

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90648

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90668

[Pinto]

this event is turning t=into a real farce delay after delay its gone from gear arriving suday night to midnight gone by now to tomorrow,saw a pic on petter solbergs blog of where his service area should be and all there is is a open dusty space,this makes the WRC look very amature,the worst run clubman event wouldnt look as bad.

[MJW]

this event is turning t=into a real farce delay after delay its gone from gear arriving suday night to midnight gone by now to tomorrow,saw a pic on petter solbergs blog of where his service area should be and all there is is a open dusty space,this makes the WRC look very amature,the worst run clubman event wouldnt look as bad.
I get the feeling this will be the last Rally Jordan WRC event, especially if Abu Dhabi 2012 is a success.

[AndyRAC]

I get the feeling this will be the last Rally Jordan WRC event, especially if Abu Dhabi 2012 is a success.

Yeah, especially as virtually nobody watches the event - unless all the speccies are dressed as desert....... ;)

[Pinto]

Yeah, especially as virtually nobody watches the event - unless all the speccies are dressed as desert....... ;)

never warmed to the event it has no atmosphere,i feel there are better events out there that deserve to in the championship,if a round were to be kept in that region Abu Dhabi deserve it after they have put alot of money into the WRC over the last few years.
id say Jordan got its place in the WRC because ''sheikh ive plenty dollars'' pulled a few strings and flashed the cash,

[janvanvurpa]

never warmed to the event it has no atmosphere,i feel there are better events out there that deserve to in the championship,if a round were to be kept in that region Abu Dhabi deserve it after they have put alot of money into the WRC over the last few years.
id say Jordan got its place in the WRC because ''sheikh ive plenty dollars'' pulled a few strings and flashed the cash,

Yes but as we see in other threads here, like the misplaced slagging on Wilson's boy Matty, isn't flashing a few millions and pulling strings really what the WRC has become? Tradition? Pfffft! What spectators want? Pffffttt! What the drivers want? Pfffftt!
Come on we all know all a "works" drive takes is 4-6 million Euros and presto you're in the WRC with a "works" car..

Want to host an event? Well who knows how much, but we know it's just a question of price...

I imagine even a virtual desert in terms of activity and numbers of drivers and less than club level skill anywhere else in the world place like USA could get a WRC round with enough valuta! and a dash of baksheesh.

[fegh]

Lebanon might be an option .... tradition .... a lot of spectators ... but tarmac !!!!!

[Rally_Rocks]

A lot of you are missing the point here. Rally Jordan is ready to run and would have run exactly to schedule had the teams managed to get their kit to Jordan on time. It is not the fault of the organisers that dithering by the FIA and the teams has created this situation.

[bluuford]

A lot of you are missing the point here. Rally Jordan is ready to run and would have run exactly to schedule had the teams managed to get their kit to Jordan on time. It is not the fault of the organisers that dithering by the FIA and the teams has created this situation.

Finally someone writes something sensible. Big teams are a bit spoiled and waited until the very last moment. Now we can see how much trouble they have caused to organizers and to themselves as well. Anyway, I see it as a very nice idea to bring some variety to the events.. all your kits arrive 20 hours before the start of the rally.. sounds like Jean Todt told that he does not like WRC that is from 9-17 like office work..Now we can see something different :-)

[Hartusvuori]

According to MTV3 there apparently some sort of decision that they'll run the 3 SS on Thursday only once, as opposed to twice as originally planned. But this is unofficial.

Also, Loeb broke an oil sump of his rented recce car, but that caused hardly any delay to his recceing as he got a new car quickly.

[AP-Racing]

The boat is not docked in Haïfa yet but it’s visible from the harbour. Three Towboats push it. The trucks should arrive at Service Park tonight. A meeting with the teams and the rally organisers will determine a new timetable when the boat will be docked.

[Hartusvuori]

Update from MTV3, a source from Ford says there'll be no competetive stages on Thursday - only shakedown and ceremonial start. Yet again this is only unofficial.

[Hartusvuori]

I've read that Rally Cyprus 2005 recce was delayed too and they had to hire local group N cars for the teams to do the recce.

Now this is tragicomically fun: The boat that is now causing the delay in Jordan is said to be exactly the same that caused trouble in Cyprus 2005.

Googlish (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F04%2F1312005%2Fsama-laiva-mokasi-kyproksen-rallin&act=url)

[Pinto]

the boat has docked after having been towed in to port when the engines wouldn't start,so unloading has started,so the saga continues.talk is no stages tomorrow,

[Pinto]

Now this is tragicomically fun: The boat that is now causing the delay in Jordan is said to be exactly the same that caused trouble in Cyprus 2005.

Googlish (http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtv3.fi%2Furheilu%2Fralli%2Fuut iset.shtml%2F2011%2F04%2F1312005%2Fsama-laiva-mokasi-kyproksen-rallin&act=url)


They must be a bit of a cowboy boating company and the FIA got them on the cheap

[bluuford]

Night stages on the desert would be nice :-)

[Brother John]

I totally agree with you janvanvurpa! http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.png


Yes but as we see in other threads here, like the misplaced slagging on Wilson's boy Matty, isn't flashing a few millions and pulling strings really what the WRC has become? Tradition? Pfffft! What spectators want? Pffffttt! What the drivers want? Pfffftt!
Come on we all know all a "works" drive takes is 4-6 million Euros and presto you're in the WRC with a "works" car..

Want to host an event? Well who knows how much, but we know it's just a question of price...

I imagine even a virtual desert in terms of activity and numbers of drivers and less than club level skill anywhere else in the world place like USA could get a WRC round with enough valuta! and a dash of baksheesh.

[Brother John]

Another person here who thinks that he is a rally team manager?


A lot of you are missing the point here. Rally Jordan is ready to run and would have run exactly to schedule had the teams managed to get their kit to Jordan on time. It is not the fault of the organisers that dithering by the FIA and the teams has created this situation.

[amilk]

2771

good old times- in that time there was no need 4 days to build a service park

[Gard]

2771

good old times- in that time there was no need 4 days to build a service park

No, it just needed 4 days to clean up :-)

[Rally_Rocks]

Another person here who thinks that he is a rally team manager?

What? It's my view on what has gone on, nothing more, nothing less.

[Francis44]

Another person here who thinks that he is a rally team manager?

Yay Sherlock he might not be team manager but he has a point. Organizers of the raly have no fault on this, the problems aren't exactly in their country so they couldn't do nothing.

[DonJippo]

They must be a bit of a cowboy boating company and the FIA got them on the cheap

FIA is not paying transportation to events, not even on this case.

[Barreis]

2771

good old times- in that time there was no need 4 days to build a service park

Really good old days.

[JTGANG]

As per Gerard Quinn Manager of Ford post at Twitter, most probably 1 st day stages will not run....Shakedown will be tomorrow 12:30-14:30

[Barreis]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90674

[Pinto]

According to Gerard Quinn no ETA for trucks to arrive in service they are still in the port so the saga continues

[JAM]

The Jordan organizers canceled the 1st day this morning. A new schedule will be revaled today late afternoom.

For what i know the cars ars still in Haifa... Burocratic problems with Michelin trucks and everybody still waiting to start the journey to Amman


http://www.jordanrally.com/WRC/PublicNews/Nws_NewsDetails.aspx?lang=2&site_id=1&NewsId=215&page_id=85&Type=P

[HaCo]

Last post of Quinn on twitter:

So the trucks are on their way, shakedown and ceremonial start tomorrow and Friday it will be 144.30Km of rally stages. 115Km Saturday
So everything delayed with 1 day?

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/news/jordan-rally-action-to-begin-on-friday/?fid=14509

[Tom206wrc]

Annoying all these problems :mad:

[N.O.T]

hmmmm...not good for hirvonen. we will see.

[Pinto]

the service build is to start at midnight the trucks have crossed the border into Jordan,its going to be some manic night in the service areas to built cars to be built,with all the rushing thats going to be happening i hope the cars get put together right and all will be ok.

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_0de4132cb9.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_c16be00f05.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_4896af51f6.jpg

More photos from Rally Jordan before start HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=855&fseason=2011) ;)

[COD]

I just wonder why not run thursday stages on sunday???

[jbmarcus21]

windows change in Ford Fiesta ?

[Mirek]

Finally? I heard many people complaining that there are no small sliding windows in Fiesta S2000...

[Barreis]

Nice pictures.

[Bobcat]

windows change in Ford Fiesta ?
I don't think so. In Portugal...

http://www.rvo.hu/wp-content/gallery/wrc-portugal-rally-2011/block.jpg

[Moriarty]

I just wonder why not run thursday stages on sunday???
I think it will be problem with live tv-stage. It must be the last stage. And don't forget - saturday is the last weekend day in Jordan.

[bluuford]

Good morning!

So, the shakedown is going to start in less than 1 hour from now.

Precipitation:
The weather should be bone dry again (like it usually is, in the desert).

Wind:
But there is one interesting factor. There is a possibility of some completely calm hours in the morning. There are no big pressure differences and the wind speed should be below 2m/s for most of the time but for some hours there might be no wind at all. So, that might cause some problems with the dust. On Friday morning, for the first stage we can expect less than 1m/s wind speed for a short period the wind speed reaches to 5-7m/s in the afternoon to drop to approximately 0m/s on Saturday morning.

Temperature:
It seems that this year the temperature will be uncharacteristically low in Jordan.
Today the temperature should not exceed 25 degrees. Overnight temperatures should stay below +12..+13 degrees, even below +10 degrees in some places (tonight).
Friday is a bit warmer, but still around +25..+26 Saturday will be more characteristic where the temperatures should reach near to the 30 degrees, but some clouds are expected and that might cool the weather a little

[jbmarcus21]

I don't think so. In Portugal...

http://www.rvo.hu/wp-content/gallery/wrc-portugal-rally-2011/block.jpg

yes true ;)

[6789]

Any times from shakedown?

[Sulland]

Have they cancelled shakedown ?

[bluuford]

Have they cancelled shakedown ?

The start of the shakedown was moved to 12:30..according to the latest information

[RICARDO75]

At this moment it's 15h18 at Jordan so, shakedown is over

[6789]

The press officer for Ford WRT said that Jari-Matti and Mikko had done 3 runs through shake

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_10e4ba700c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_83789e3bce.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_2c692f4f6f.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_5d33b56ce0.jpg

More photos from Jordan shake HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=855&fseason=2011) ;)

[6789]

Yay!

http://www.jordanrally.com/wrc/Public/English.aspx?Lang=2&Page_Id=453&Menu_ID=33&Menu_Parent_ID=-1&type=R

[Fri]

My pictures from shakedown:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/01_teszt/index.htm

[6789]

Total Rally were putting their money on Ogier and Solberg to win this rally. I think Ogier is a better chance than Petter, he's being having problems with the tyres. Even if they are a better compound, I think the lack of testing will not help Petter. Hmm, tough decison i think

[muscrae]

My pictures from shakedown:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/01_teszt/index.htm
Great shots, thank you..! :)

[ZequeArgentina]

Good morning!

So, the shakedown is going to start in less than 1 hour from now.

Precipitation:
The weather should be bone dry again (like it usually is, in the desert).

Wind:
But there is one interesting factor. There is a possibility of some completely calm hours in the morning. There are no big pressure differences and the wind speed should be below 2m/s for most of the time but for some hours there might be no wind at all. So, that might cause some problems with the dust. On Friday morning, for the first stage we can expect less than 1m/s wind speed for a short period the wind speed reaches to 5-7m/s in the afternoon to drop to approximately 0m/s on Saturday morning.

Temperature:
It seems that this year the temperature will be uncharacteristically low in Jordan.
Today the temperature should not exceed 25 degrees. Overnight temperatures should stay below +12..+13 degrees, even below +10 degrees in some places (tonight).
Friday is a bit warmer, but still around +25..+26 Saturday will be more characteristic where the temperatures should reach near to the 30 degrees, but some clouds are expected and that might cool the weather a little

Thanks bluuford, your weather prdictions are usually really helpful, because they are done specifically bearing the rally in mind!!
So maybe MIkko is not in a so bad position running first if dust happens to be a problem.
That unless the organizers decide to enlarge starting gaps to 3 minutes because of dust.............

[mhaba]

Any times from shakedown?

http://www.jordanrally.com/WRC/Library/634383667107732463.pdf

[Bobcat]

My pictures from shakedown:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/01_teszt/index.htm
:up:

[Co-driven]

Does anyone has information about Daniel Oliveira?

[Doon]

Does anyone has information about Daniel Oliveira?

Yes, he's er..... slow....lol :)

[Co-driven]

Hahaha.

No, I just found out that the decided not to take part in the shakedown. Just read this:

'“We decided not to take part in the Shakedown since we had some work to do on the Mini John Cooper Works. It didn’t worth sacrificing time since the Shakedown was too short and the car arrived at the Service Park at 1am. The whole team made a great effort working until 14:45pm. Fifteen minutes later all the drivers left to the ceremonial start in Jerash, some 90km far from here” stated BWRT’s Team Manager Paul Handal.'

[dimviii]

http://www.wrc.com/video/browse-all/video-jordan-2011-latvala-the-fastest-ford/?vid=2071


http://www.wrc.com/video/features/jordan-2011-petter-fastest-on-shakedown/?vid=2070

[MikeD]

Friday CET 08:03 and rally Jordan is live :)

[rage82]

Hey Ho let's go! Hirvonen is on the finish line

[MikeD]

Argg splits aren't working on WRC.com - anybody got other links that works?

[6789]

No splits at all, Loeb quicker than Latvala

[rage82]

No stage times also. Loeb, Ogier, JML, Peterand Miko so far

[Rally Hokkaido]

Probably the ISC equipment is still getting set up due to late arrival. Stage timing by hand?

[OldF]

The stage times works here: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=4

[HaCo]

The stage times works here: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=4

Awesome, thanks!

[rage82]

Kimi faster than Henning and Mat Wilson 7.16 min.

[6789]

Petter alot slower, hopefully can catch up on the next stage

[OldF]

Awesome, thanks!


It’s worth to put that link in the favourites.

[cali]

It’s worth to put that link in the favourites.
True, it's by far the best WRC results site for me

[Brother John]

Okay the World Citroën Rally Championship continues! :rolleyes:

[MikeD]

How is it that this site http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=4 (http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=4) can pick up the times when the official WRC site cannot?

[CyborgVR4]

How is it that this site http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=4 can pick up the times when the official WRC site cannot?Well they have to get them from somewhere, My guess is they are getting them from WRRadio, as now they have no more now that WRR has stopped reporting times from this stage, I suspect they do not have times in the studio either, though they appear to know were cars are. WRC.com has nothing by the looks of things.
Thank you Vysledky-rally.cz -great service.

[6789]

Well they have to get them from somewhere, My guess is they are getting them from WRRadio, as now they have no more now that WRR has stopped reporting times from this stage, I suspect they do not have times in the studio either, though they appear to know were cars are. WRC.com has nothing by the looks of things.
Thank you Vysledky-rally.cz -great service.
Maybe no splits all rally, Ken Rees in the WRR interview said that they hadn't had time to set the splits up

[Hartusvuori]

Maybe no splits all rally, Ken Rees in the WRR interview said that they hadn't had time to set the splits up

They have splits on WRR.

[6789]

They have splits on WRR.
Yeah and saw that :)

Looks like the road is cleaning now

[Hartusvuori]

Latvala quicker than Loeb. Ogier and Petter still coming.

EDIT: Ogier fastest, only slightly. 0.4 s.

[6789]

Petter quickest on that stage, 12:11.6??

[Hartusvuori]

Petter quickest by 2,3s. Sebs in joint lead.

[jonkka]

wrc.com back on-line... :eek:

[gregwrc]

WRC stage and splits times are working now !!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://wrc.com/results/2011/jordan-rally/stage-times/?category=wrc&stageno=8

[Sulland]

Brynildsen off on 8

[J.Lindstroem]

I dont have much faith left in Hirvonen now... :(

[jonkka]

Petter slow and missing splits...

[J.Lindstroem]

I tipped Mikko 2nd. Damn it!!! Come on!!

[jonkka]

as if splits froze?

[mhaba]

What happened to Oliveira?

[Hartusvuori]

So - if Sebs take a lead of 20-25s at the end of the day, could JML challenge them tomorrow starting 3rd on the road? That's what I'm looking for. Still lots of kms to go until we get there.

[jonkka]

Ogi is going to shoot into lead... I wonder if that's wise...

[cali]

Al-Attyiah is setting some impressive times :up: :up:

[OldF]

Must be a good way to put off weight by driving 41 km stage in Jordan. :D

[OldF]

Even Henning and Mads are faster than Mikko.

[MR666]

I dont have much faith left in Hirvonen now... :(


Same here....

[bluuford]

Good morning to everybody!

So, what can I see.. Nasser is catching this Dutch boy in the stage.. sooner or later.
And current tactical plans tell me that Ogier drops back behind Latvala, Latvala stays behind Loeb, and Solber behind them all. When Loeb is first on the road tomorrow..then it is almost sure that winner will be among those three drivers behind him. If the dust wont play something strong in the hands of the first drivers.

[6789]

Good morning to everybody!

So, what can I see.. Nasser is catching this Dutch boy in the stage.. sooner or later.
And current tactical plans tell me that Ogier drops back behind Latvala, Latvala stays behind Loeb, and Solber behind them all. When Loeb is first on the road tomorrow..then it is almost sure that winner will be among those three drivers behind him. If the dust wont play something strong in the hands of the first drivers.
I guess it depends how far Latavla falls behind

[Hartusvuori]

I guess it depends how far Latavla falls behind

Or if he manages to fall behind at all. We've seen that before. I hate tactics, but it's name of the game and for once JML should succeed in it. But that all depends how situation is before Dead Sea 2.

[MikeD]

Or if he manages to fall behind at all. We've seen that before. I hate tactics, but it's name of the game and for once JML should succeed in it. But that all depends how situation is before Dead Sea 2.

It's a really tricky one for him because Ogier and P.Solberg are behind him. How should Ford focus - trying to beat Loeb or trying to beat Ogier/PSolberg?

[bluuford]

Being first on the road in Jordan is one of the worst place to be among all the gravel rallies.There is only very thin layer of gravel on top of nearly stony gravel surface and first driver usually sweeps most of it. So, that is why we had to witness such a tactical game in 2010 in Jordan. On the other rallies road goes quicker and quicker after each car.. here the difference after the first car is much smaller. And the second pass is not much better, because their tarmac like surface will be soiled by lower class cars again.
Remember! last year Ogier lost 1:20 on Sunday stages being first on the road!

[Salist]

What happend Henning?

[mm1]

Hit the rock and damaged engine

[Brother John]

Being first on the road in Jordan is one of the worst place to be among all the gravel rallies.There is only very thin layer of gravel on top of nearly stony gravel surface and first driver usually sweeps most of it. So, that is why we had to witness such a tactical game in 2010 in Jordan. On the other rallies road goes quicker and quicker after each car.. here the difference after the first car is much smaller. And the second pass is not much better, because their tarmac like surface will be soiled by lower class cars again.
Remember! last year Ogier lost 1:20 on Sunday stages being first on the road!

So Hirvonen still has a chance to win on Sunday? :D

[Salist]

Many thanks the informations.
It's a bad news. :(

[dimviii]

wrc.com is down?

[bluuford]

works for me.. very well :-)

[rage82]

no splits for me yet, i can see the previous split and stage times. I forgot, no splits on first stage I think

[6789]

Where's Mikko?

[6789]

Saw Mikko's time :)

[bluuford]

Looks like on the first stage Citroen went with only one spare tire. Ford took two.
Now both cars are with double spares I think.

[dimviii]

Ostberg stopped

[jonkka]

Ogier?

[jonkka]

Live text says Ogi 2nd fastest, Vysledky doesn't list him though

[bluuford]

Ogier?

Second fastest 1.2 behind Latvala

[dimviii]

Fords equals,or Citroen tactics?Tomorow will be clear.

[dimviii]

Ostberg stopped

gearbox

[jonkka]

JML and Ogier are pushing, Loeb just watching and biding his time...

[dimviii]

24 seconds at 17km stage faster than first pass :eek: First pass must be nightmare about grip.

[MikeD]

This is what I think will happen...

1.) There is nothing Loeb can do so he will try and set the best time he can.

2.) Ogier will drop behind Latvala

3.) Petter Solberg will stay behind Latvala and Ogier

What do you think?

[jonkka]

Sounds quite reasonable - we will see

[dimviii]

This is what I think will happen...

1.) There is nothing Loeb can do so he will try and set the best time he can.

2.) Ogier will drop behind Latvala

3.) Petter Solberg will stay behind Latvala and Ogier

What do you think?

+1

[dimviii]

Al Attiyah on problems maybe..


edit. spin?

[miksu]

JM should be clever and drop behind Loeb... ANd with everybody dropping down, Mikko will gain and be closer to leader tomorrow morning.

[MikeD]

Al Attiyah on problems maybe..


edit. spin?

Engine misfire - He will try and fix it between now and next stage.

[MikeD]

JM should be clever and drop behind Loeb... ANd with everybody dropping down, Mikko will gain and be closer to leader tomorrow morning.

I agree. Hirvonen might easily gain 20-30 sec while the others are trying to position themselves for tomorrow.

[dimviii]

Latvala +42 on first split!!

edit maybe a split glitch? :rolleyes:

[cali]

what is going on? Ogier also +43

EDIT: it seems that spilt times are not working correctly

[mm1]

Wow, Gasner in 11th stage, thumbs up!

[MR666]

I agree. Hirvonen might easily gain 20-30 sec while the others are trying to position themselves for tomorrow.

Thats if any of them even slow down.

[bluuford]

Well.. there is another possibility. Citroen has to sacrifice Loeb anyway.So, reali stic scenario is: Loeb slows down.. quite a lot, Latvala places himself right behind Loeb. Ogier pushes very hard and is so far in front that either Loeb or Latvala or Solberg is not able to catch him tomorrow.

[6789]

Loeb with issue or dropped time on split 5!!

[rage82]

No splits again for me, I hate wrc.com

[6789]

StartNoDriver12345Stage
Time1.3M. HIRVONEN
3:38.46:38.39:14.313:01.2
2.1S. LOEB
-2.5-6.4-9.8-0.5
3.4J. LATVALA44.2-1.1-5.0-8.5

4.2S. OGIER43.9-3.1-5.8-9.0

5.15M. WILSON45.1+3.6

[jonkka]

StartNoDriver12345Stage
Time1.3M. HIRVONEN
3:38.46:38.39:14.313:01.2
2.1S. LOEB
-2.5-6.4-9.8-0.5
3.4J. LATVALA44.2-1.1-5.0-8.5

4.2S. OGIER43.9-3.1-5.8-9.0

5.15M. WILSON45.1+3.6

Super informative paste... :eek:

[dimviii]

Hirvonen at split 4 has same difference from Latvala-Loeb-Ogier as first passage.Not cleaned road from first passage ?

[6789]

StartNoDriver123456Stage
Time1.3M. HIRVONEN
3:38.46:38.39:14.313:01.216:02.5
2.1S. LOEB
-2.5-6.4-9.8-0.5

3.4J. LATVALA44.2-1.1-5.0-8.5-10.9

4.2S. OGIER43.9-3.1-5.8-9.0


5.15M. WILSON45.1+3.6




6.7F. VILLAGRA45.5

[dimviii]

Super informative paste... :eek:

lol

[MikeD]

Loeb plays the first joker at split 5 ... let's see if Latvala responds :)

[6789]

Doesn't format too well, thats the issue for Loeb, maybe a spin or something?

[bluuford]

So, currently Ogier is already 27 second in front of Loeb in total.. hmm looks much like my scenario

[MikeD]

Hirvonen has stopped

[muscrae]

Mikko has Rear bumper damage...

[dimviii]

Mikko on problems?

[rage82]

Thanks for the splits. Miko with power steering problem

[MikeD]

Mikko got going again - power steering problems and rear bumber damage

[dimviii]

Mikko got going again - power steering problems and rear bumber damage
So maybe an exit from road?

[muscrae]

So maybe an exit from road?
Obviously... Sliding too much maybe...

[MR666]

Bugger me Ogier is flying.

[bluuford]

So, now Loeb is 30.3 seconds behind Ogier, so if Latvala fells behind Loeb, then it is game over for the win.. if he stays in front, then there is bigh possibility that Ogier will place himself behind Loeb

[jonkka]

I wouldn't slow down

[dimviii]

Tomorow 114 ss km

[jonkka]

Well, he did

[jonkka]

And Ogi didn't

[bennizw]

Ogier just won the rally there.

[Hartusvuori]

OK - 33s to catch on Ogier is much, but not necessary too much. And not to forget Petter who's in good position as well. Too bad for Mikko once more. This ain't gonna be his season either.

[tolis]

So, why the retired crews are not in the overall standings?
Latvala slowed down...

[JAM]

Sometihinh happened on the last kms... at split 9 Latvala was losing 7,1s to Ogier, and at the end the difference is 26.7sec. Latvala lost almost 20secs on 3km.

Is hard to believe that this was intentional

[bluuford]

So.. coming back to last year. Ogier was 43 seconds slower than second car on the road. only in four first stages.. I must say that it was one brave decision to stay in front. That 31.. or 32 seconds might not be enough after all. Tomorrow will be very interesting day!

[MikeD]

Sometihinh happened on the last kms... at split 9 Latvala was losing 7,1s to Ogier, and at the end the difference is 26.7sec. Latvala lost almost 20secs on 3km.

Is hard to believe that this was intentional

He had to get behind Loeb. It was indeed intentional and well played by Ford. I think Latvala is now the favorite for tomorrow.

[Halvis]

Petter is clearly in best position of those 2-4 - but is it close enough to Ogier? It will be very interesting tomorrow!

[bluuford]

Yeah.. I just checked that tomorrow the regroup to turn top 15 cars around takes place just before the Power Stage. So, that means 104 km first on the road. Latvala indeed has played it really smart. The only question mark for tomorrow morning is the possible dust problem. But, latest forecast tells that the calm period should end just before the start of the first stage. The first stage starts quite late (8:20).

[kobefly]

Day 1 Results:

1) Ogier [Citroen] 1:32:53.4
2) Loeb [Citroen] +31.6
3) Latvala [Ford] +33.1
4) Solberg, P. [Citroen] +35.3
5) Hirvonen [Ford] +2:30.9
6) Raikkonen [Citroen] +2:45.8
7) Wilson [Ford] +2:57.8
8) Al-Qassimi [Ford] +4:49.7
9) Villagra [Ford] +4:53.5
10) Al-Attiyah [Ford] +5:19.3
11) Sousa [Ford] +7:14.8
12) Kuipers [Ford] +7:20.7
13) Kruuda [Skoda] +8:26.1

[Sulland]

Should be a perfect position for Petter tomorrow !

[miksu]

Ogier just won the rally there.

no way, man. 30 secs is not enough tomorrow!

[Fide]

With .5 seconds lost by kilometer.... in theory Ogier will need around 50secs to be still in the lead. Then, let see....

[rbatista82]

Photos from day "one":
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=237

[Barreis]

Nice photos.

[N.O.T]

still long way to go...1-2-3 for citroen very possible....great drive by Ogier....the support team of Wilson Jr once again fails.

[RallyTyger]

Time penalties for Loeb and Latvala??

http://wrc.com/results/2011/jordan-rally/penalties/

[Juha_Koo]

Time penalties for Loeb and Latvala??

http://wrc.com/results/2011/jordan-rally/penalties/

Has to be somesort of error... No fking way that both Elena and Anttila would screw up like that, three and five minutes *early*.

[Francis44]

I see this happening easily with schedule changes the rally had.

[bluuford]

Well, in the morning there was time penalty for Oliveira.. there was written that he was 30 hours early :-P And got some hundreds of minutes of penalties..so I assume it is another system error :-)

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_6e624a3ca0.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_fae4101bda.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_e76b1234c6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_2a28bb9fc6.jpg

More photos from 1st LEG HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=855&fseason=2011) ;)

[Barreis]

Great photos.

[Motorsportfun]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/855/855_jordanska_rally_2011_6e624a3ca0.jpg

NOKIA - Connecting People....

...the final confirmation!

[Juha_Koo]

...the final confirmation!

The final confirmation about what?

[Motorsportfun]

The final confirmation about what?

Well, the new sponsorship for WRC... happened the same for Delphi in Portugal!

[rp]

Well, the new sponsorship for WRC... happened the same for Delphi in Portugal!

Yes. It seems. Nokia was already visible in the WRC Academy cars in Portugal...

[Fri]

Friday pictures:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/02_pentek/index.htm

[bluuford]

I just noticed that here: http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=74&filtr=
Latvala´s last stage time is 1 second better than in WRC.com

[Fri]

Friday pictures:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/02_pentek/index.htm

[wrc1600]

If being unfair is smart what is the point of competition?

[Juha_Koo]

If being unfair is smart what is the point of competition?

Winning.

[Barreis]

Where we can find ESPN on internet? Or better Motors TV?

[wrc1600]

In sport there is something called fair play, even if something is legal it does not mean it is fair or accepted.This is called cheating and in this case proves only weakness.
Winning.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Links to watch the Power Stage live 13.00UK / 14.00 CET:
http://www.myp2p.eubroadcast.php?matchid=113609&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=113609&part=sports)

[dimviii]

Friday pictures:
http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/02_pentek/index.htm

congrats for these photos!Specially Al Attiyahs one! :eek:

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/02_pentek/pages/RSHU_Photo_014_jpg.htm

[bluuford]

In sport there is something called fair play, even if something is legal it does not mean it is fair or accepted.This is called cheating and in this case proves only weakness.
You know.. the sky is not always blue and the soil is not always black.. same is here. I think that Latvala did a really brave decision here. If he would not have done it then Ogier would have slowed down and Latvala would have been first on the road tomorrow by narrow margin. That means game over for Latvala.
Instead.. he decided that he goes with the game that Loeb started in the middle of the last stage (Loeb slowed down to give bigger margin to his teammate, otherwise Loeb would have loosed all chances of winning ). As a result of this action we can see very interesting day tomorrow-Ogier is far in front but his handicap should allow the drivers behind him to catch up.

[peg306]

congrats for these photos!Specially Al Attiyahs one! :eek:

http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/04_jordan/02_pentek/pages/RSHU_Photo_014_jpg.htm

+1 Freakin awesome!

[MR666]

You know.. the sky is not always blue and the soil is not always black.. same is here. I think that Latvala did a really brave decision here. If he would not have done it then Ogier would have slowed down and Latvala would have been first on the road tomorrow by narrow margin. That means game over for Latvala.
Instead.. he decided that he goes with the game that Loeb started in the middle of the last stage (Loeb slowed down to give bigger margin to his teammate, otherwise Loeb would have loosed all chances of winning ). As a result of this action we can see very interesting day tomorrow-Ogier is far in front but his handicap should allow the drivers behind him to catch up.

As a Ford fan I just hope the time loss for the DS3 and Ogier is as much as it was for Hirvonen.

[Barreis]

Links to watch the Power Stage live 13.00UK / 14.00 CET:
http://www.myp2p.eubroadcast.php?matchid=113609&part=sports (http://www.myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=113609&part=sports)

Thanks.

[sollitt]

.... even if something is legal it does not mean it is fair or accepted.This is called cheating ....
Actually 'cheating' is the act of doing something illegal in the hope of getting away with it. Slowing down to gain a better road position is not illegal therefore it is not cheating. As the ploy is used by both teams equally it can hardly be called unfair either.

[MR666]

I am not a fan of the slowing down but its just part of rallying these days....

[Plan9]

Fingers crossed the Hirvonen can get on the podium, just hope that he will not have to sweep roads in the next rally