Ricciardo 2 tenth slower then redbull this kid should be given the drive

[CNR]

http://www.foxsports.com.au/motor-sports/formula-one/daniel-ricciardo-f1-formula-one-toro-rosso/story-e6frf3zl-1226004213271Aussies Mark Webber and Daniel Ricciardo third and fourth respectively in F1 practice 3. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 1:21.5224. Daniel Ricciardo, Toro Rosso, 1:21.755

[gloomyDAY]

Duh! Replace an Aussie with another Aussie.

[Mark]

Based on one days testing when Mark Webber came close to winning the championship in 2010 and led most of the season, yeah, smart.

[Dave B]

Do their times take into account tires, aero , fuel load.... no.

It's practice.

[Dave B]

^ That post was from my mobile. Spellcheck changed "tyres" to American. I feel so ashamed... :p

[CaptainRaiden]

Oh yeah, and replace Massa with Sergio Perez at Ferrari, because he was 2nd fastest in a Sauber!!! ZOMG, Sergio FTW, best driver in F1 since Senna! :eek:

:rolleyes: Do people not realize that this is winter testing?? All times right now are pretty much pointless. Would have expected something better from the Fox Sports website than that. The stupid hype that this Ricciardo guy generates is amazing. What's more incredible is that people buy into it. Haven't people learned anything so far by watching the F1 careers of guys like Kovalainen, Piquet Jr., Grosjean, Hulkenberg and Kobayashi?? The first four were big guns in GP2 but fizzled in F1. Kobayashi was the only surprise package, and he wasn't even that good in GP2.

[Sonic]

Don't worry Thunderbolt, the young lads gonna have a big future in F1 but lets give him time. The names mentioned above have all fallen off the radar after being dropped in at the deep end with minimal testing and then everyone's surprised they are half a second off the pace. At least this slowly, slowly approach gives Daniel time to learn his craft and hit the ground running when he gets his hands on a race drive.

[CNR]

maybe i should have worded it like this :are toro rosso mad not to be thinking about changing one of the drivers

[CaptainRaiden]

maybe i should have worded it like this :are toro rosso mad not to be thinking about changing one of the drivers

The only surity we'll have about this kid's hyped up speed is when he actually outqualifies either Algersuari or Buemi in proper qualifying. There are just too many variables in testing to properly gauge someone's speed. For example, Algersuari could have just been doing long runs with a full tank of fuel or running hard compounds, and Ricciardo could have been running in qualifying trim. Does anybody know what setups were the two running?

He'd probably get his chance in 2011 if STR decide to put him in for one or two races. At this moment, I'd bet my money on either of the regular STR drivers outqualifying him, because they've got the advantage of experience over him.

[AndyL]

The only surity we'll have about this kid's hyped up speed is when he actually outqualifies either Algersuari or Buemi in proper qualifying. There are just too many variables in testing to properly gauge someone's speed. For example, Algersuari could have just been doing long runs with a full tank of fuel or running hard compounds, and Ricciardo could have been running in qualifying trim. Does anybody know what setups were the two running?

Especially true this year I think... on top of no refuelling (so large variation in fuel loads) we don't always know who is actually using their KERS or movable rear wing at this stage of testing. McLaren weren't using their KERS yesterday for example.

[TheFamousEccles]

All of the above cautionary posts are right to point out the variables of the winter testing regimes, etc, but to give the boy his due - it's still a fast time in good company, don't ya think?

[UltimateDanGTR]

To m,e Ricciardo is a future F1 star. Does that mean he deserves to go straight into a Red BUll seat? No. I suggest he is given this season to develop enough, and then he may be ready for a Toro Rosso seat in 2012.

As for the current Toro Rosso drivers, both were put in too early in their careers, hence why neither have shined much. However, this is a vital season for them, and If they don't show themselves to be special this year they both could be out at the end of the year, maybe before. Either way, I think Ricciardo will be the replacement.

[CaptainRaiden]

All of the above cautionary posts are right to point out the variables of the winter testing regimes, etc, but to give the boy his due - it's still a fast time in good company, don't ya think?

So is Sergio Perez's second fastest time in a Sauber, a tenth faster than Mark Webber in a Red Bull and 3 tenths faster than Ricciardo in a Torro Rosso, both cars presumably much better than the Sauber. Then why is only Ricciardo getting all the hype train behind him? Nico Hulkenberg in a Force India was almost as fast as Vettel at Valencia, placing second, beating all the other heavy hitters. Paul di Resta was faster than Alonso, Karthikeyan was faster than Nico Rosberg. Hell, Schumacher's chart topping time yesterday was 3.7 seconds faster than Rosberg's time on day 1 at Jerez. Does that mean Schumacher pulled 3.7 seconds out of his ass with some magic or the geniuses at Mercedes found 3.7 seconds out of nowhere in 24 hours?

Bottom line: Testing times are pointless! Do you seriously think this is how they'll look in proper dry Q3 qualifying at Bahrain??

1. Felipe Massa Ferrari 01:20.709 101
2. Sergio Perez Sauber 01:21.483 94
3. Mark Webber Red Bull 01:21.522 94
4. Daniel Ricciardo Scuderia Toro Rosso 01:21.755 31
5. Lewis Hamilton McLaren 01:21.914 58
6. Jaime Alguersuari Scuderia Toro Rosso 01:22.689 42
7. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 01:23.472 28
8. Vitaly Petrov Renault 01:23.504 57
9. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix 01:23.963 67
10. Jarno Trulli Lotus F1 01:24.458 54
11. Timo Glock Virgin Racing 01:25.086 42
12. Pastor Maldonado Williams 01:34.968 14

Honestly, it was nothing more than a random lap time. He may be good, but he's not superman. The kid posts a semi-decent lap time and the Australian fox sports website blows it out of proportion. This nut-hugging will do him a world of favor though. More patriotic Australians are going to buy this, he's going to get some more sponsors and he might even get a race seat by mid-2011. I'll be interested to see what he can really do.

[Mr. Mister]

There's so much more to being an F1 driver than setting a quick time in some tests. He won't get any worse doing the extra year in WSR. He couldn't put the title away last year, and that alone is reason enough not to put him in F1 yet. You rush these guys up, their confidence gets killed, and then they're never the same. If Red Bull have learned anything from their development exploits in all forms of motor racing, there's no harm in doing extra time in the juniors. More often than not, they'll be Liuzzi/Speed/Buemi/Alguersuari "what ifs" and not Vettel.

[gloomyDAY]

There's so much more to being an F1 driver than setting a quick time in some tests. He won't get any worse doing the extra year in WSR. He couldn't put the title away last year, and that alone is reason enough not to put him in F1 yet. You rush these guys up, their confidence gets killed, and then they're never the same. If Red Bull have learned anything from their development exploits in all forms of motor racing, there's no harm in doing extra time in the juniors. More often than not, they'll be Liuzzi/Speed/Buemi/Alguersuari "what ifs" and not Vettel.I'll drink to that, but I can't help and think that Ricciardo is being groomed to take over the duties at the sister team.

[TheFamousEccles]

ok, so don't agree. Whatever, the Ricciardo lad is doing his job well and has the Torro Rosso name at the part of the charts where most people bother to look, and isn't that the point?

Oh, and before anyone says it again, I agree (as I stated in my previous post) that watching testing performance and equating it to outright performance is misleading and often evinces responses like those above.

And when I say "most people", i mean the not so fanatical observer, as opposed to the dour, humourless bunch of nerds that seem to inhabit this board (I'm looking at you, X)

[JackSparrow]

When I read the thread title I thought I had been sleeping for a month and the qualis in Bahrain had started!!!!! thank god

[CaptainRaiden]

ok, so don't agree. Whatever, the Ricciardo lad is doing his job well and has the Torro Rosso name at the part of the charts where most people bother to look, and isn't that the point?

Oh, and before anyone says it again, I agree (as I stated in my previous post) that watching testing performance and equating it to outright performance is misleading and often evinces responses like those above.

:confused: Contradiction, much??


And when I say "most people", i mean the not so fanatical observer, as opposed to the dour, humourless bunch of nerds that seem to inhabit this board (I'm looking at you, X)

Thanks for the honor. Riddle me this sherlock, what has this kid done apart from winning British F3 that warrants so much hype? Maldonado won GP2, and is riding on MUCH lesser hype. Pantano won GP2 and was thrown to the sidelines. Here we have threads on a guy who hasn't even turned a wheel in proper F1 qualifying, and people are getting off on a fourth fastest time in winter testing. :rolleyes: What's also interesting is that you manage to conveniently ignore Sergio Perez's second fastest time in a Sauber, which IMO is much more impressive. This reminds me of another hyped up motorcycle rider called Ant West, who has been nothing but lackluster in the last 3 years, yet all are aboard the hype train. Ridiculous.

[ArrowsFA1]

maybe i should have worded it like this :are toro rosso mad not to be thinking about changing one of the drivers
No. STR may think about such a change later this year but they have no reason to consider doing so now. It's actually refreshing that they are sticking with their '10 lineup.

[Ari]

To m,e Ricciardo is a future F1 star. Does that mean he deserves to go straight into a Red BUll seat? No. I suggest he is given this season to develop enough, and then he may be ready for a Toro Rosso seat in 2012.

As for the current Toro Rosso drivers, both were put in too early in their careers, hence why neither have shined much. However, this is a vital season for them, and If they don't show themselves to be special this year they both could be out at the end of the year, maybe before. Either way, I think Ricciardo will be the replacement.
Spot on!

Dan WILL get his drive, but the last thing he needs at the moment is to be running around in 2010's Championship winning car. Imagine the pressure!!

He should get a run this year or next in a Toro.... and that's fine. Kid will be a star, but it's all about managing his entry.

[TheFamousEccles]

Sorry to take so long to respond here, eX - life gets in the way of a good forum stoush,sometimes.

Now, to reiterate so you don't miss the point - the Ricciardo lad is doing his job and doing it well. I grant you the point about Perez, which kind of backs up what I was saying in the first instance: that these lads are doing a great job (in 2nd string cars btw), keeping the team near the top of the lists, doing good times and also doing what they are there for - testing. Doing better times than many main game drivers, though once again, testing v outright performance blah blah blah.

As for hype, well I don't create it, but it has to come from somewhere - surely this is as a result of keen observers seeing something in the boy that they didn't see in Pantano, for example? Maybe its a demeanor thing? Maybe its because he is fast in the 2nd string car and it's not as a result of being a flash harry in the championship winning RBR? Anyway, my points stand.

Now, as for your comments about Anthony West - well that's just mean, and ill-informed too I might add. You give the impression of being a keen observer of motor racing in general, but the reality when the surface is scratched seems a little different? Anyway, I am sure we can agree to disagree here. :vader:

[CaptainRaiden]

As for hype, well I don't create it, but it has to come from somewhere - surely this is as a result of keen observers seeing something in the boy that they didn't see in Pantano, for example? Maybe its a demeanor thing? Maybe its because he is fast in the 2nd string car and it's not as a result of being a flash harry in the championship winning RBR? Anyway, my points stand.

I'm not going to comment again on the times that this kid did, because like I said before, testing times are pointless, and this kid has only done that so far in his short F1 career, and that is -- wait for it -- TESTING! As for the hype, honestly so far I've only seen the partisan Australian blokes making a fuss about this. None of the regular F1 sites even noticed Ricciardo's time, while the Fox Sports Australia website made a full article out of it. Just do a Google search on his testing times, the first 10 results are Australian websites. Do you see the pieces coming together here? :D


Now, as for your comments about Anthony West - well that's just mean, and ill-informed too I might add. You give the impression of being a keen observer of motor racing in general, but the reality when the surface is scratched seems a little different? Anyway, I am sure we can agree to disagree here. :vader:

I know you folks are in love with that guy over at the motorcycle racing forum, so please excuse me, I wouldn't want to jump in and ruin the love affair with hearts popping and what not. But it's just too much nut-hugging for a guy whose biggest claim to fame are two victories in Supersport in rain in 2007, which by the way he hasn't been able to emulate since then. And before you go further, I already know what the retorts are gonna be, lack of money, lack of sponsors, bad machinery, this, that, blah, blah, so save it. This is the F1 forum, so it'd be better to kill this one here before pino jumps in and tells us to. ;)

[TheFamousEccles]

I know you folks are in love with that guy over at the motorcycle racing forum, so please excuse me, I wouldn't want to jump in and ruin the love affair with hearts popping and what not. But it's just too much nut-hugging for a guy whose biggest claim to fame are two victories in Supersport in rain in 2007, which by the way he hasn't been able to emulate since then. And before you go further, I already know what the retorts are gonna be, lack of money, lack of sponsors, bad machinery, this, that, blah, blah, so save it. This is the F1 forum, so it'd be better to kill this one here before pino jumps in and tells us to. ;)

I agree about pino - I will say though that this paragraph is a pearler, I nearly spilled beer, gawdammit!

[CaptainRaiden]

I agree about pino - I will say though that this paragraph is a pearler, I nearly spilled beer, gawdammit!

Yep, almost as good as a bunch of guys having orgasms over winter testing times. :p

[ShiftingGears]

He'll get his chance eventually - STR generally cycle through their drivers quite quickly. No need to hire him instantly because of testing results.

[Nikki Katz]

Pretty much anyone can go fastest if they take out all the fuel. He does look impressive to date though - he's clearly a long way off Webber's seat, but I can imagine him putting pressure on the Toro Rosso drivers before long, particularly Buemi, who had a poor end to the last season.

[Tazio]

Never Mind :confused:

[jens]

I also remember Davidson and Liuzzi topping Friday testing times (when third drivers were allowed on those days) quite often. Didn't make them World Champions though.

[CaptainRaiden]

I also remember Davidson and Liuzzi topping Friday testing times (when third drivers were allowed on those days) quite often. Didn't make them World Champions though.

Exactly my point. Also, Buemi was mighty impressive in testing and practice before becoming a regular driver, and has since fizzled. I mean from what I remember, he topped 4 consecutive testing or practice sessions, putting in stonking laps beating regular Mclaren and Ferrari drivers. I know a lot of people thought at that time that he was the next big thing.

[jens]

Exactly my point. Also, Buemi was mighty impressive in testing and practice before becoming a regular driver, and has since fizzled. I mean from what I remember, he topped 4 consecutive testing or practice sessions, putting in stonking laps beating regular Mclaren and Ferrari drivers. I know a lot of people thought at that time that he was the next big thing.

I think that was the 2009 pre-season testing, when Buemi was actually using a 2008 car (STR unveiled their new car in March), which is why he was the fastest.

[CaptainRaiden]

I think that was the 2009 pre-season testing, when Buemi was actually using a 2008 car (STR unveiled their new car in March), which is why he was the fastest.

My memory is a little bit hazy on that one, but I'm sure you're right. I think I also remember him topping the time sheets during Friday practice as a third driver in 2008.