The Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Williams Launch Thread

[DazzlaF1]

Include Mercedes if you want, even though we've already seen CGI images of their livery

[Sonic]

The day I am most excited about; has Newey rewritten the rule book again or has the design reach a plateaux of ever decreasing returns? Will Williams start the season as strong as they finished the last? The basic design philosophy last season seems to be the accepted norm now - very high nose, heavily tapered rear, blown diffuser etc - but whist that's an advantage to them their lack of running, ever, with KERS won't help.

[Hawkmoon]

Newey's overrated. Great engineer sure but people go on like he's some kind of design god. He's designed as many duds as he has dominant cars.

[Donney]

In any case it is always exciting to see what he comes up with, a winner or a lemon. I hope it is a winner and we have a cracking season.

[Sonic]

Agreed. Newey is great at what he does; areo/thinging outside the box, but he, as you say, never builds an average car, it's either Mega or dreadful - usually because he has pushed the envelope too far. But that's great for F1, we need those kind of people.

[truefan72]

Agreed. Newey is great at what he does; areo/thinging outside the box, but he, as you say, never builds an average car, it's either Mega or dreadful - usually because he has pushed the envelope too far. But that's great for F1, we need those kind of people.


you've got to break a few eggs to make an omelet

personally I'd take a newey hit or miss any day over an average consistent mid pack running vehicle that will never get a sniff of victory.
Yeah he does push the envelope, but his hits are world championship material cars and his duds, can still win the occasional race or challenge for wins. I'd take that any day

[Tazio]

http://a.yfrog.com/img640/6560/lzdry.jpg

http://a.yfrog.com/img614/9210/xtim.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/redb_2011.jpg

[Tazio]

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[Tazio]

http://adamcooperf1.com/2011/02/01/red-bull-rb7-on-show-in-valencia/

http://adamcooperf1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rb7-photo-cooper.jpg
http://adamcooperf1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/img_0050.jpg
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[Tazio]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9476/rb7det3.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9706/rb7det1.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2894/rb7det2.jpg

[Tazio]

http://cdn.images.autosport.com/editorial/1296548869.jpg

Sweet :kiss:

[Tazio]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/barr_will_2011.jpg
[/IMG]http://adamcooperf1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fw33-photo-cooper.jpg
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/barr_will_2011_2.jpg

[Sonic]

The Williams instantly becomes my fave of the year! Just look at it, LOOK AT IT! *dribble*

Also, it may just be the poor picture res but am I the only one seeing ripples running from the cockpit down to the cock bottle? Three of them running through the PDVSA logo.

A worrying lack of sponsorship though :( but at least it makes the numbers readable for the first time in decades.

[Tazio]

The Williams instantly becomes my fave of the year! Just look at it, LOOK AT IT! *dribble*

Also, it may just be the poor picture res but am I the only one seeing ripples running from the cockpit down to the cock bottle? Three of them running through the PDVSA logo.

A worrying lack of sponsorship though :( but at least it makes the numbers readable for the first time in decades.

:up: this Freakin' thing looks sweet :)

[Tazio]

Also, it may just be the poor picture res but am I the only one seeing ripples running from the cockpit down to the cock bottle? Three of them running through the PDVSA logo.

It also has some interesting ducting!

[Tazio]

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs897.ash1/180538_130746200325766_102855529781500_188387_3906 677_n.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v66/ImperiumThroughTheAshes/234152351.jpg

[Tazio]

http://www.f1today.nl/foto.php?file=10924

[gloomyDAY]

Newey's overrated. Great engineer sure but people go on like he's some kind of design god. He's designed as many duds as he has dominant cars.I guess that's why all the teams copied Newey's design in 2010.

Oh, and RBR were both WDC and WCC champions.
Don't forget about that insignificant matter.

[Hawkmoon]

I guess that's why all the teams copied Newey's design in 2010.

Oh, and RBR were both WDC and WCC champions.
Don't forget about that insignificant matter.

And what about the 10 cars before that that didn't win the championship?

[Sonic]

Someone needs to lock the Red Bull parts bin at night. The thieving pikies at STR have snuck in an pinched everything!

[wedge]

Ultra slim coke bottle on the RBR, perhaps the slimmest I've ever seen!

Looks like what should've been the RBR5 if multi-deck diffusers were banned in '09


Newey's overrated. Great engineer sure but people go on like he's some kind of design god. He's designed as many duds as he has dominant cars.

He pushes the envelope of design.

Colin Chapman's cars were quick, beautiful but fragile.

Given the choice, I think most people will go for excitement than something blandness.

Sport cannot exist without this emotion

[Bagwan]

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/9476/rb7det3.jpg

http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/9706/rb7det1.jpg

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/2894/rb7det2.jpg

What is that seemingly aero piece mounted on that most forward rear upper suspension stay ?
I thought the rules forbade anyone using aero devices on suspension bits .
Or , perhaps it's just the actual item , itself , that cannot be shaped to provide downforce ?
It's also very visible in post #10's pictures .

[Sonic]

The pic resolutions a bit low. Do you mean the bit that looks like the finger of a glove?

[Bagwan]

Yep .

But , on further inspection of the photos in post #10 , I now see that that "finger" is actually attached , not to the suspension arm , but , to a piece coming up from beside the wheel .

Sorry . False alarm .

[Sonic]

:D

Keep those eagle eyes peeled. We've still got to locate the Renault exhaust exit...

[UltimateDanGTR]

Just noticed on the Toro Roso especially, the air intakes above the drivers' heads look wider this year. I like this, They look beefier!

Oh, and another 3 georgous cars for 2011 here...

[DazzlaF1]

:up: this Freakin' thing looks sweet :)

Not to mention, Beautiful

I know its an interim livery but by god its delightful to look at.

[gloomyDAY]

And what about the 10 cars before that that didn't win the championship?Newey came pretty darn close in some years.

Let's focus on the present, friend. RBR are a young team compared to Ferrari. Their budget is also more constrained than McLaren and Ferrari. I think they've accomplished a lot for such a short amount of time. Not to mention a better designed car for 2011. :D

[Tazio]

Newey came pretty darn close in some years.

Let's focus on the present, friend. RBR are a young team compared to Ferrari. Their budget is also more constrained than McLaren and Ferrari. I think they've accomplished a lot for such a short amount of time. Not to mention a better designed car for 2011. :D

Would you mind showing us some pics of the 2011 McLaren before we pass judgment :rolleyes:

[christophulus]

Love the new Williams, I hope they keep the final paint job similar to that.

Going to be difficult to tell the Red Bull & STR apart again.. although I suppose one will be nearer the front than the other will :D

[Rollo]

Has anyone else noticed the tremendous irony that Hugo Chávez is a very vocal opponent of capitalism yet is prepared to throw state money in sponsorship of both the state owned oil company and the country itself into what's arguably a highly capitalist sport?
I find it amusing considering that Williams at one point also had the name of Bin Laden of their cars as well.

I guess it doesn't matter who you take your money from does it? :D

[Tazio]

Has anyone else noticed the tremendous irony that Hugo Chávez is a very vocal opponent of capitalism yet is prepared to throw state money in sponsorship of both the state owned oil company and the country itself into what's arguably a highly capitalist sport?
I find it amusing considering that Williams at one point also had the name of Bin Laden of their cars as well.

I guess it doesn't matter who you take your money from does it? :D
I think it was quite an easy decision for him after China busted the wall down.

[wedge]

By Jove, Adrian!

I've been wondering why the exhausts were very low and angled.


http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/02/02/red-bull-rb7-open-fronted-exhaust-blown-diffuser/

“ The only openings in the diffuser are the starter motor hole and a 5cm area on the outer section of floor. Exhausts could be routed to this outer section of floor, but routing the large diameter exhausts across the floor could create their own blockage effect in-between the rear wheels. Offsetting the benefit they are supposed to provide.” (http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/2011-trends-and-solutions/)

It appears Newey had the same idea and has presented the modified RB7 with flattened exhausts reaching rearwards under carbon over these reach towards the outer 5cm of floor and blow under the raised lip in the floor. The fast moving exhaust gas then curves inside and blows out via the sidewall of the diffuser (shown below with the red arrow).


http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rbr_of_ebd.jpg

[Bagwan]

Something about this trick forward facing exhaust sounds fishy to me .

Remembering the exhaust stickers from last year has me wondering if Newey is messing with the other designers , getting them in a panic about just what is going on there .
It seems too early to let this cat out of the bag .
I am wondering if the cat is really a red herring .

The concept of adding heat to the underside of the car too far forwards seems flawed to me . Adding it to the mix farther back makes more sense , as the gasses are expanding due to the diffuser , and adding heat should help that expansion .
But adding it too far forward would have the gasses expanding under the car , where you are trying to speed them up by dropping the pressure .

Tossing all that heat out in front of the rear tire seems a bit sketchy to me as well .

I think we'll see a few different bends in those pipes at the first race , if not before .

[SGWilko]

Something about this trick forward facing exhaust sounds fishy to me .

Remembering the exhaust stickers from last year has me wondering if Newey is messing with the other designers , getting them in a panic about just what is going on there .
It seems too early to let this cat out of the bag .
I am wondering if the cat is really a red herring .

The concept of adding heat to the underside of the car too far forwards seems flawed to me . Adding it to the mix farther back makes more sense , as the gasses are expanding due to the diffuser , and adding heat should help that expansion .
But adding it too far forward would have the gasses expanding under the car , where you are trying to speed them up by dropping the pressure .

Tossing all that heat out in front of the rear tire seems a bit sketchy to me as well .

I think we'll see a few different bends in those pipes at the first race , if not before .

Newey hasn't done a forward facing exhaust has he?

[Bagwan]

Newey hasn't done a forward facing exhaust has he?

Yeah , yer right . Not enough coffee .

But , it still sounds fishy .

[Tazio]

By Jove, Adrian!

I've been wondering why the exhausts were very low and angled.



http://scarbsf1.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/rbr_of_ebd.jpg
It looks like Ferrari have the only rear end to even come close to channeling air at the back-end like the RB7

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5959/2011f1rearsuspensioncom.jpg

[Tazio]

For your viewing pleasure :rolleyes: , :s mokin:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/mald_will_vale_2011-5.jpg

[Tazio]

http://motorsport.nextgen-auto.com/gallery/pictures/2011/f1/pres-tororosso-01fev/023.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/5406863729_6d116e558f_b.jpg

[Mia 01]

they are safe for the first four rounds, no need to use KERS.

[Sonic]

Why would you not use KERS????? if it's fitted it gives you 0.3s with no penalty for weight anymore. It's a no brainer - if you've got it run it.

[Tazio]

Include Mercedes if you want, even though we've already seen CGI images of their livery I have a pic for Mercedes. I don't want them to fell left out.

Later goons!! :rolleyes:

Like, much later ;)

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/schu_merc_vale_2011-9.jpg

[AndyL]

Williams have unveiled their final livery:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89631
There are hints that it might be quite nice, but I can only assume it is in fact pig-ugly since they apparently consider it best displayed with the lights turned off.

[Donney]

It looks good to me!

[UltimateDanGTR]

the usual blue and white as expected, but plus the red and gold? How brilliant is that! It looks fantastic IMO, so rothmans-esque, and that can only be a good thing.

[DazzlaF1]

the usual blue and white as expected, but plus the red and gold? How brilliant is that! It looks fantastic IMO, so rothmans-esque, and that can only be a good thing.

I agree, it looks absolutely elegant. I always liked the Rothmans livery although not as memorable as their blue white and yellow (1985-1993) with which they had the vast majority of their success

Its becoming a bit of a theme this season, all these "retro" liveries. Renault running in JPS Black and Gold, Team Lotus in classic 60's Lotus Green and Yellow and now Williams returning to their mid 90's Blue, white red and gold.

[Tazio]

I really like the retro look of the Williams, and as Dazzle pointed out, very Rothmanesque:

http://i.imgur.com/pXVC3.jpg

[Hawkmoon]

At first glance I didn't care for it but after closer inspection I've changed my mind. One thing I would change is the white barge board. It needs to be navy so it doesn't stand out like a turd in a punch bowl.

Of course the livery will have to be banned. If the Renault is subliminally advertising JPS, the Ferrari logo doing the same for Marlboro then this will most definitely cause people to start smoking Rothmans. ;)

[Sonic]

That is just sooooo cool. I feel like a teenager again. Now where's my hooch? ;)

[AJP]

I'm stoked with the Williams...

I really do hope they find some form and attract bigger sponsors to inject the cash needed to race the big three.

[AndyL]

Great interview with Mark Webber:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/02/video-exclusive-mark-webber-on-the-new-red-bull-f1-car-and-how-he-can-beat-sebastian-vettel/

Love the expression on his face when James says "looks like you've got another great car" - he just about manages to stop himself breaking into a huge cheesy grin :D I think they're confident about their car this year...

[wedge]

the usual blue and white as expected, but plus the red and gold? How brilliant is that! It looks fantastic IMO, so rothmans-esque, and that can only be a good thing.

It's so plain it reflects Williams' 'decline'. Hopefully more sponsors will be found in the future.

[UltimateDanGTR]

It's so plain it reflects Williams' 'decline'. Hopefully more sponsors will be found in the future.

unfortunatly you are correct but at least it looks clean, though the blue sidepods are begging for PDVSA to be written in white on them simply for marketing reasons.

[Tazio]

http://formula-1.updatesport.com/news/article/1299063963/formula_one/F1gossip/New-Toro-Rosso-ridiculously-fast-/view.html
I hope what the Boss said about STR is true. I could use the points in FGP :dozey: