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N4D13
11th December 2010, 12:13
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88657

What will be next?

Sebastian Vettel receiving an overtaking award?[/*:m:7rk20nwy]
Ferrari getting the FIA Fair Play award?[/*:m:7rk20nwy]
Valencia achieving the Most Entertaining Race award?[/*:m:7rk20nwy]Seriously, what a load of BS from the FIA. :mad:

ioan
11th December 2010, 15:04
Maybe next it will be:

Alonso getting the FIA Fair Play award?!
or
Alonso receiving an overtaking award after the Abu Dhabi showing?!

What exactly didn't you like about the Korean GP?

Valve Bounce
11th December 2010, 23:25
Is Kia or Dae Woo thinking of entering F1 with an engine? :p :

Allyc85
11th December 2010, 23:40
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/88657

What will be next?

Sebastian Vettel receiving an overtaking award?[/*:m:31zzwzh6]
Ferrari getting the FIA Fair Play award?[/*:m:31zzwzh6]
Valencia achieving the Most Entertaining Race award?[/*:m:31zzwzh6]Seriously, what a load of BS from the FIA. :mad:

So who would you give the award to?

airshifter
12th December 2010, 06:11
I'd have to agree with the award. After all, look how much attendance was up over last years Korean race! :D

I think the new track has a lot of potential. Even with the bad weather it produced some good viewing.

ShiftingGears
12th December 2010, 08:13
I'd have to agree with the award. After all, look how much attendance was up over last years Korean race! :D

I think the new track has a lot of potential. Even with the bad weather it produced some good viewing.

But bad/unpredictable weather usually provides good viewing anyway. Hungary 2006 was arguably the race of the season because of the bad weather, even though normally pit strategy is the only thing that provides any action on the circuit. I don't see how the Korean circuit has a lot of potential according to your logic.

N4D13
12th December 2010, 11:10
My point is that I don't see how you could give a promoters' award to Korea, when we didn't even know if there would be a race two weeks before the race, the tarmac was so recently laid that it caused serious concern, there was a serious lack of cranes in the circuit and, lastly, the drainage was so miserably poor (if existant) that the race had to be red-flagged because of visibility concerns. In addition to this, I have never liked the concept of building a city around a circuit - it sounds truly pretentious to me.

I don't think that I would give a promoters' award to anybody, but in any case, giving it to Korea is blatant hypocrisy. The fact that they were the only ones to celebrate a new Grand Prix in 2010 doesn't mean that they actually did a great job.

And this doesn't have to do with whether the race was entertaining or not - it certainly was, but not at all because of excellent management.

Big Ben
12th December 2010, 11:45
Maybe next it will be:

Alonso getting the FIA Fair Play award?!
or
Alonso receiving an overtaking award after the Abu Dhabi showing?!

What exactly didn't you like about the Korean GP?

Would you spit on us Ioan if we were talking this face to face?

Valve Bounce
12th December 2010, 11:47
It's all about FACE !

ioan
12th December 2010, 12:04
Would you spit on us Ioan if we were talking this face to face?

Not sure it would be worth it.

airshifter
12th December 2010, 18:42
My point is that I don't see how you could give a promoters' award to Korea, when we didn't even know if there would be a race two weeks before the race, the tarmac was so recently laid that it caused serious concern, there was a serious lack of cranes in the circuit and, lastly, the drainage was so miserably poor (if existant) that the race had to be red-flagged because of visibility concerns. In addition to this, I have never liked the concept of building a city around a circuit - it sounds truly pretentious to me.

I don't think that I would give a promoters' award to anybody, but in any case, giving it to Korea is blatant hypocrisy. The fact that they were the only ones to celebrate a new Grand Prix in 2010 doesn't mean that they actually did a great job.

And this doesn't have to do with whether the race was entertaining or not - it certainly was, but not at all because of excellent management.

People were concerned, but the tarmac turned out fine. The cranes I can agree with, but this is a learning curve for them and the crane operators, and we have seen tracks with the same issues that have run races for years and years. Brazil comes to mind with poor drainage and crane use resulting in taking out a chunk of the field and also endangering drivers/operators at the same time.

I didn't notice any real drainage problems in Korea. As hard as it was raining it seemed the track stayed in resonable shape, there was just too much water coming down.


As for building the city around the circuit, only time will tell. But I think it has huge potential myself. Could you imagine if Monaco was a dedicated circuit but had the same structures surrounding it, as well as run off areas and such?

ioan
13th December 2010, 18:04
...the drainage was so miserably poor (if existant) that the race had to be red-flagged because of visibility concerns.

That had more to do with the rain than the drainage.

Big Ben
14th December 2010, 07:36
That had more to do with the rain than the drainage.

For once I agree with Ioan. It was the rain not the drainage. The drainage would have worked perfectly if it hadn't rain.

Valve Bounce
14th December 2010, 08:08
For once I agree with Ioan. It was the rain not the drainage. The drainage would have worked perfectly if it hadn't rain.

Tres Drol Garcon!!

BDunnell
14th December 2010, 18:02
How ridiculous. Leaving aside the fact that the facility was unfinished even on race weekend, the crowd size was, as everyone knew it would be, woeful. All Korea proved to be was another example of how taking F1 to new markets doesn't work if said market simply isn't really interested in the sport.

schmenke
14th December 2010, 19:32
The award sets the wrong precedent to other wanna-be event organisers who might see it acceptable to host a race with incomplete facilities.