RBR MF Cup S3 Round 3 - Portugal Rally

[Bruce D]

Portugese Rally Event Info
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10-12 December 2010
RBR MF Cup Season 3 - Round 3

Rules
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Open to WRC, S2000, N4-N1 and A7-A5 cars
Tyre choice is free for all stages
Pacenotes - Audio only, not visual
One SuperRally per leg, 3min penalty for each SuperRally used.

Stages
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SHAKEDOWN - Rally School II (England) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Clear - 2.2km

Leg 1
SS1 - Harwood Forest II (England) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Clear - 4.8km
SS2 - Sipirkakin (Japan) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Clear - 8.7km

Leg 2
SS3 - Pirka Menoko (Japan) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Bad - 6.7km
SS4 - Sipirkakin II (Japn) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Bad - 8.7km
SS5 - Pirka Menoko II (Japan) - Mod: Normal - Weather: Bad - 6.7km

Leg 3
SS6 - Cote D'Arbroz (France) - Mod: Gravel - Weather: Clear - 4.5km
SS7 - Joux Plane (France) - Mod: Gravel - Weather: Clear - 11.1km

Total Distance - 51.2km

Entries
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Send your entries to BruceD by PM or by email to [email:om52exdc]rbrmfcup@gmail.com[/email:om52exdc] Entry info as follows: Name, Country, Team, Car.

Submitting times
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Start each stage using the "RSRBR2009" button under the "play alone" section, do your stage. The time will be recorded in the window at the bottom of RsCenter. If its not recorded, you did something wrong. Use "public sessions" tab and "Go" button for BTB stages.

Once you have completed the stages you wish to do, select the File menu and click on "Save times" The times are saved to your RBR directory under the folder "MyTimes". Once you have done all the stages, send all your html files to [email:om52exdc]rbrmfcup@gmail.com[/email:om52exdc] to be scored. Please note that more than 1 html file can be submitted so you don't have to do all the stages at one time.

Non-RSRBR users
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Record your time and split times and mail them to the above email address.

PAST WINNERS
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Season 2 - Francis44 - Citroen C4 WRC 09

Entries open immediately. Rally and entries close at midnight Tuesday 13th December 2010

[Bruce D]

My current entry list looks like this - please let me know if you want to change anything.

Portugese Rally
RBR MF Cup Series 3 Round 3
Entry List

Num Driver Car Group Team


1 Francis44 Citroen C4 WRC 2009 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
2 NeverKnow Subaru Impreza WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
3 Macd Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
4 LCD Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
5 BruceD Citroen C4 WRC 09 WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
6 Tannat Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
7 Paul Minnaar Subaru Impreza WRC WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
9 Raybak Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
11 52Paddy Skoda Fabia WRC 07 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
12 ps29 Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
14 Blazquez Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 WRC1 Ralliart

[lcd]

No changes here for me. ;)

[lcd]

A slight change, regarding car/class for me Bruce:

car: Citroen DS3 WRC1 class

[Bruce D]

The DS3 is a WRC2 car though, isn't it?

[lcd]

The DS3 is a WRC2 car though, isn't it?

Right. My mistake there. :p

[Macd]

Usuall car combo for this one for me. Nice to see the BTB stages of last year have gone, maybe I might finish this one :L

[Bruce D]

Yeah those BTB stages don't work in this sort of environment and I think the championship is running smoother without it. Haven't had to cancel a stage yet.

Here is the updated entry list:

Portugese Rally
RBR MF Cup Series 3 Round 3
Entry List

Num Driver Car Group Team


1 Francis44 Citroen C4 WRC 2009 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
2 NeverKnow Subaru Impreza WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
3 Macd Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
4 LCD Citroen DS3 WRC WRC2 GRACE Motorsport
5 BruceD Citroen C4 WRC 09 WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
6 Tannat Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
7 Paul Minnaar Subaru Impreza WRC WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
9 Raybak Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
11 52Paddy Skoda Fabia WRC 07 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
12 ps29 Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
14 Blazquez Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 WRC1 Ralliart

[tannat]

Day 3 looks fun-day 2 less so :p

I may strap on a scooby for this one. Will let you know

[pettersolberg29]

Is the deadline Tuesday 14th or Monday 13th? Because I have LOADS of coursework due for 13th, so would only be able to take part after that. If the deadline was 14th or 15th I would mightily appreciate it. Cheers.

[Macd]

Its always a Tuesday so I would assume the 14th.

[Bruce D]

It would be the 14th but on this occasion the 16th is a holiday here so I would probably only have the results on Friday the 17th so I'll let everyone have until then at the very latest.

Wonder how I got that date confused though, anyway...

[lcd]

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/5757/portugesecopy.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/i/portugesecopy.jpg/)

[MrMetro]

Nice work LCD ;)

[tannat]

Is 'Campos' Portugese, LCD?

[lcd]

Is 'Campos' Portugese, LCD?

True.

[Bruce D]

Once again a brilliant poster that will be implemented into the results. Thanks LCD!

[tannat]

Changing to the Scooby ;)





Here is the updated entry list:

Portugese Rally
RBR MF Cup Series 3 Round 3
Entry List

Num Driver Car Group Team


1 Francis44 Citroen C4 WRC 2009 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
2 NeverKnow Subaru Impreza WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
3 Macd Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
4 LCD Citroen DS3 WRC WRC2 GRACE Motorsport
5 BruceD Citroen C4 WRC 09 WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
6 Tannat Subaru Impreza WRC 2008 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
7 Paul Minnaar Subaru Impreza WRC WRC1 GRACE Motorsport
9 Raybak Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 Baker Motorsport
11 52Paddy Skoda Fabia WRC 07 WRC1 Equipe au Dublin
12 ps29 Ford Focus WRC 09 WRC1 OMV Red Bull Rally Team
14 Blazquez Mitsubishi Lancer WRC 05 WRC1 Ralliart

[pettersolberg29]

Does anyone know how to get gravel tyres in France when not using RSRBR. I've got the stages in perfect gravel, however i'm sliding all over the place as I'm using tarmac tyres.

[NeverKnow]

Does anyone know how to get gravel tyres in France when not using RSRBR. I've got the stages in perfect gravel, however i'm sliding all over the place as I'm using tarmac tyres.
There is a small mod that takes care of this. It's called "rbr wrong+tyre" but I'm unable to find a place where you can download it. I'll send it to you if you don't mind.

You start it before you start RBR. Then you choose what tires you want to have and leave it running in the background when playing RBR. It will then override default tire choices. The drawback of it is that you have to exit RBR to change the tires to a different type.

[pettersolberg29]

Cheers NK - would be a good help. Same email address as last time. If you lost it then let me know and I'll PM you.

[pettersolberg29]

Thanks NK - just got it and shall test away in a minute

[pettersolberg29]

Not sure if it works as I'm still sliding manically. What is the average gap between fastest time on Arbroz on tarmac and on gravel? My gap is over a minute which to me seems unlikely. And when I used tarmac tyres it was only 3.8s once which also seems unlikely.

[Bruce D]

The France stages are known to be very slippery in gravel mod, although I don't seem to find them like that.

[tannat]

Not sure if it works as I'm still sliding manically. What is the average gap between fastest time on Arbroz on tarmac and on gravel? My gap is over a minute which to me seems unlikely. And when I used tarmac tyres it was only 3.8s once which also seems unlikely.

Use the search function for the forums, advanced search, and arbroz gravel on the sims forum.


Surely we have ran these stages in gravel guise before.

You could also visit the RSRBR10 site. Ther is a fastest times links somewhere-even for modded stages

[lcd]

The France stages are known to be very slippery in gravel mod, although I don't seem to find them like that.

Exactly.That's how France gravel Mod Is, so there Is no tires Issue.

[tannat]

1:23.03
1:21.34
1:19.64

Scooby feels good :up:

[Macd]

Best time on shakedown so far is 1.17:31. I've got a good feeling about this rally :)

[tannat]

Best time on shakedown so far is 1.17:31. I've got a good feeling about this rally :)


How bumpy is your ride across the fjords, MacD? Are you taking them flat?

[pettersolberg29]

So are you guys saying that a time around 3:30-ish is right for Arbroz in gravel? I'd like to know before I submit the wrong times as I want to do the fair and exact route. If its 10-20 seconds either side then that suggests I've got it set up correct.

[NeverKnow]

I managed 2:53,30 on my recce with semi-tarmac setup. My guess is the mod you are using has different surface properties than in RSRBR.

[Bruce D]

Came across an issue last night, the 2nd stage on Day 2 (Sipirikan II) can only be done in the dry.

Anyway, finished my rally last night. Happy with some stages, not happy with the last rain stage, didn't have a good run at all and probably lost a minute in total.

PS29, that time you predict for Cote D'Arbroz is miles off my time last night. I'm more around NK's time, which suggests, like he says, that your mod is giving low grip. What mod are you using?

[NeverKnow]

My shakedown times are as followed:
1:25,99
1:21,97
1:20,44
1:19,63
1:19,11
1:20,76
Overall the car felt good but little bouncy over the river crossings, so I had to take them slower than I would have liked.

[pettersolberg29]

PS29, that time you predict for Cote D'Arbroz is miles off my time last night. I'm more around NK's time, which suggests, like he says, that your mod is giving low grip. What mod are you using?

I'm using this one - http://www.gamershell.com/news_19251.html
Not sure about it but the textures seem right, dust, sound etc. Just it is too slippery to drive!

[Macd]

RBRSR 2011 will be with us in a week or so. May I suggest trying to get that to work? since it may have fixed the bugs that you're having + would make these things non-issues

[pettersolberg29]

I will give it a go, but none of the RSRBR updates have worked so far...

[Francis44]

My shakedown times:

1:17:76
1:16:31

Looking foward to the stages.

[Macd]

Shakedown again :
1:17.08
1:16.54
1:15.46

[Bruce D]

RBRSR 2011 will be with us in a week or so.

Great, more millons of MB of downloading for hardly an update. Hopefully they'll just make a patch update from 2010 to 2011 like they did from 08 to 09.

[NeverKnow]

I finished the rally and it was quite bad for me. The car itself was good but I pushed too much and made many mistakes during the event. I'm not expecting much from it result wise.

On SS2 I made two halfspins and on the next stage I had a slight off.

SS4 I had a halfspin near the start of the stage and about halfway through the windshield cracked. I had poor visibility after that and had few scary moments. I then just tried to finish the stage.

On SS5 I lost focus near a hairpin and slid into the guardrailing. Took me some time to get going again.

[Macd]

First day done. Two off's on stage 2 i think have ruined my chances here :( I think I'll just keep it together for the next two days and aim for a podium at best.

[NeverKnow]

Some pictures (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RBR%20MF%20Cup%20Rally%20Portugal%202010/) from my rally and onboard from SS5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owftDbiY4l0).

[Francis44]

I have finished my rally and I must say it was really a mixed event for me.

Things started reasonably well on first day but it went downhill for the second day, pushed to hard in those twisty stages and spent most of the time correcting lines and gripping the car from small offs.
Last day was ok but I am not expecting great results, I will have to remember the limits because I was lucky not to crash seriously on some stages, I even got an huge warning on the 2 corner of the rally :D .

[tannat]

After reading all of these reports I am catching a strong whiff of opportunity :devil:

[pettersolberg29]

Same - but I haven't worked out how to get the France stages in gravel yet so I fear I may lose out there.

Also, in my extensive testing I'm finding Sipirkakim incredibly hard to finish. Started it about 50 times now, finished it once...the first quarter of the stage is flat out basically and I'm always going a touch wide once and smashing a tree. Grrr!

[Bruce D]

The notes on that stage aren't perfect either so there are one or two that catch you out. Also I found that you have to throw the car into the corners there to keep them in the groove otherwise you go offline and are into the bushes.

[lcd]

Rally finished here. And It wasn't a good one. In ss4 couldn't catch up with co driver's calls.
In ss5 nearly retired but thankfully, my DS3 made It to finish with 1st gear. Last stage of the rally was a disaster.
Many offroads and crashes-Barely finished with engine high temperature.
Apart the above Incidents had some good moments with a great car-The DS3 Is behaving brilliant over gravel/mud.
Waiting for some tarmac tests.

[pettersolberg29]

I've finished SD and Day 1. Just to let you know Bruce that I have suddenly changed to a Citroen C4 as it deals with the bumps in Japan much better. SD times mean little as the Rally School stage isnt representative really and I've done it so many times. Best time of 1:11.05
Day 1 went much better than expected. Harwood 2 was good, got a nice rhythm. Sipirkakim was OK in the end - managed to finish but took the first part of the stage far too cautiously. Regained some time in the twisty forest sections where I really pushed. Day 2 tonight.

[Francis44]

Are you sure you did Rally School 2 on the Shakedown, because if you did I think you might just have beaten the World Record. In Rally School I manage 1.08:00 but in Rally School 2 your time is really good.

[tannat]

Some pictures (http://s274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/t6nns/RBR%20MF%20Cup%20Rally%20Portugal%202010/) from my rally and onboard from SS5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owftDbiY4l0).

Do you prefer in car cam to hood and bumper cam, NeverKnow?

[pettersolberg29]

Are you sure you did Rally School 2 on the Shakedown, because if you did I think you might just have beaten the World Record. In Rally School I manage 1.08:00 but in Rally School 2 your time is really good.

Good point - got excited for a minute there. You're right, I did Rally School 1. D'oh...

[NeverKnow]

Do you prefer in car cam to hood and bumper cam, NeverKnow?
I used to drive using bumper cam but lately I've become accustomed to using the driver seat cam. Don't know why but it somehow feels more natural.

[Bruce D]

I've sent you all a early Christmas present in your mail. Hope you enjoy.

:D

[tannat]

I've sent you all a early Christmas present in your mail. Hope you enjoy.

:D

A voucher good for -1:00.00 off a rally of our choice? :laugh:

Or a coupon worth $500 toward the purchase of a VW?

[Bruce D]

You wish, mate, you wish... :p

[lcd]

Loved your calendar Bruce. :)
Thanks for taking the time to do that!

[Francis44]

Yeah I love it aswell, and one of the pics was taken be me :D .

Great gift Bruce ;) .

[steve_spackman]

Any chance i can view the calendar? Interested in competing.

[Bruce D]

Sure Steve, just PM me your email address and I'll email to you. It's just a small pdf file.

BTW the full combined calendar for both the RBR Cup and Mod Free Championship is here - http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140170

That should help you work out what you can do.

[Bruce D]

PLEASE NOTE

New Submission date

Due to the fact that Thursday is a holiday here and I already had one request for an extension and that I have now taken Friday off work, the new submission date will be Sunday 19th December at Midnight (your time). This is the final date, no entries will be accepted after that and the results will be posted on Monday.

I'm aware that this crosses over with the Mod Free event but it should still be ok.

[tannat]

Were you guys able to do Sipirkakin II with Bad conditions?

It will not let me select this option... :(

Halting my rally at SS4 until I hear from someone...

[Bruce D]

I think I posted earlier that you'll have to do that stage in good conditions. I remember this being an issue on a previous rally too.

[tannat]

I think I posted earlier that you'll have to do that stage in good conditions. I remember this being an issue on a previous rally too.

Must have overlooked it-thanks, Bruce D...

[tannat]

Rally finished
Had my scares on Joux Plane-must have been inches from a tree at one point, and nearly rolled it when I cut a bit too aggressively.

Subaru oversteered a bit more than I liked, but we got along nicely :D

[pettersolberg29]

I think I've finished my rally. I re-installed the France-gravel mod and the wrong-tyre mod and re-did the stages and got much more valid times I think. I will PM a random member to compare times if that's allowed to ensure that I have time to re-run the stages if my times look odd. As I said though, I am pretty confident that I have finished! Pirka Menoko was brilliant, every other stage was average.

[lcd]

Pirka Menoko was brilliant...

What a brilliant brain designed that fantastic stage?!?! :)

[pettersolberg29]

I don't know, but it is so much fun to drive. It is easy to get a fast time, but its almost impossible to get a great time. I did it about 10 times in testing and got a time within a total range of about 2s in every run. PM2 is almost as good but I was a little bit slower due to less knowledge and slightly worse pacenotes in my opinion.

[pettersolberg29]

After contacting another member I can confirm I have finished the rally! Think HF2 and PM1+2 were excellent, but struggled a bit on Sipirkakin 1+2 and the French gravel ones. Hopeful of a good result though.

[Bruce D]

Don't forget that today (Sunday) is the last day for submissions for this round.

[Bruce D]

FINAL RESULTS

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[Bruce D]

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[Bruce D]

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[pettersolberg29]

Cheers Bruce - glad for a 2nd win in a row on a difficult event. It seemed that I won it on Pirka Menoko as every other stage was even. If possible I'll get an onboard video of me doing this stage but its pretty difficult with Fraps I find.

[tannat]

Set some good times and not so good times-fairly typical rally :p

LCD-I think the 2011 Citroen is masking your tru ability!!!

PS29-your stage 3 and 5 times are inhuman..... :up:

[Macd]

You were Quick in the rain PS :O

[steve_spackman]

Any room for a new entry?

[Bruce D]

Can't be included now but post your times and lets see how you did Steve.

[pettersolberg29]

Here's my replay of Pirka Menoko 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6G2eDZwditQ
Note this isn't the actual stage - I just redid it to a similar time. Alos, the jerking every 30s is due to the recording limit of Fraps demo!

[NeverKnow]

Congrats to ps29 for winning the rally!
Result wise it was really good rally for the team with OMV taking two podium places.
I think a car change is in order for the next event and I'm considering switching to 2011 WR car if I can get RSRBR11 running.