Rally de Portugal 2011

[Krigen]

hey, stage on

[JAM]

you are right in everything you wrote.I just wrote all these cause some mates said that minis pace is ok.
If David came to portugal to see minis first rally and is ok to be even at first rally at s2000 car pace,i am really worrying about their targets

If i'm right, then i don't understand why Mini's pace is not ok.

But anyway is a lost of time being here discussing this forever. Let's follow the rally.

[Krigen]

Hirvonen looks to be a litlle bit faster than Loeb

[Krigen]

And Latvala even faster

[miksu]

Fords are fast on this stage!

[dimviii]

If i'm right, then i don't understand why Mini's pace is not ok.

But anyway is a lost of time being here discussing this forever. Let's follow the rally.

you are right about mini limited test time.That it is 2sec/km slower(as 2000car) is a fact that it doesn t need to discuss more.
if we see any improovement through Portugal we are here to discuss again.
lets see ss5 now

[Krigen]

Latvala even faster

[Krigen]

Loeb quickest

[jonkka]

Loeb quickest

Where?

[Krigen]

at the finish

[wwbroe]

Best time for JML

[Krigen]

But not anymore :)

[JAM]

Where?

0.2sec than Hirvonen.

Hirvonen was worried at the end of the stage looking under the car. We said that something happened at the front near the end, maybe a puncture.

[wwbroe]

Petter is loosing quite an amount of time on last split???

[wwbroe]

Another puncture for Solberg!

[Krigen]

Puncture again :/

[rage82]

another puncture for Solberg. Damn. Not a lucky guy definately

[miksu]

Another puncture for Petter??

[Brother John]

It most be Petter´s driving style what is wrong with him! :(

[wwbroe]

Joint fastest time with JML for Ogier, keeping the lead of the rally.

[Krigen]

Henning is slow again.. lost all hope for him now, he can retire hes career

[Krigen]

and what whit kimi?? puncture??

[MartijnS]

Yes, rear left.

[wwbroe]

Yes, puncture at rear left for ice-man

[J.Lindstroem]

Henning is slow again.. lost all hope for him now, he can retire hes career

+1

He can be really fast now and then. But these occations is to rare im afraid. Not consistent at all...

[Brother John]

Wilson will Be the top driver of the Stobart M-Sport Ford Rally Team! :dozey:

[Krigen]

Wilson beats Henning at this one

[J.Lindstroem]

Araujo to slow on the first stage. But i suppose thats the idea now to take it nice and steady, but he has to up the pace soon!

[N.O.T]

icecube puncture....

[JAM]

Araujo to slow on the first stage. But i suppose thats the idea now to take it nice and steady, but he has to up the pace soon!

Is almost mandatory to finish the rally. They need to get a lot of data, and Armindo need to think on the portuguese sponsors, because he is the best portuguese ate the moment.

[dimviii]

Araujo to slow on the first stage. But i suppose thats the idea now to take it nice and steady, but he has to up the pace soon!

ΝOT slower than previous stages,still 2sec/km

ARAÚJO A. / RAMALHO M. (st. č. 17) "I'm pushing little bit more. We are learning the car." / "Tlačím o trochu více. Poznáváme auto."

[wwbroe]

Stage 6 is live, Hirvonen at first split.

[N.O.T]

Crazy battle for the win....nice

[wwbroe]

Semerad is having problems with his DMack tyres, seems like they are wearing like hell.

[jonkka]

Crazy battle for the win....nice

Is it a genuine fight? Or just feint jousting?

[HaCo]

Yep, great!

[wwbroe]

Watch Ogier going, i think he is controlling the game right now.

[dimviii]

Crazy battle for the win....nice

i d like Fords to win this rally.Face of Quesnel under pressure worths million euros.
Seems that Fords are nearer to Citroens at Portugal,but i d like to make conclusions tomorrow cause of tactics maybe.

[Krigen]

Loeb is catching Hirvonen to the end of the stage again

[miksu]

Is it a genuine fight? Or just feint jousting?

I think it is.

[wwbroe]

Hirvonen is trough, about 8 sec faster as first run.

[wwbroe]

Loeb almost 3 sec faster, who is playing tactics here?

[Krigen]

Loeb is catching Hirvonen to the end of the stage again

He sure did

[wwbroe]

JML fastest man trough the stage. At least for the moment.

[Krigen]

Latvala fastest

[Krigen]

Henning looks to have picked up he`s pace little bit

[wwbroe]

Everything closing up between the four top runners, we will see definately some tactics at the last stage in my opinion. Normally Ogier is in control because he has all the splits.

[N.O.T]

hard to tell if this today was fighting or theatre play....hmmmmm

[OldF]

Longest day tomorrow.

Day 1: 129,14 km
Day 2: 148,10 km
Day 3: 104,86 km

[N.O.T]

theatre play then....

[Krigen]

tip Latvala in the lead for tomorrow

[GINE]

tip latvala in the lead for tomorrow

hirvonen can not choose his position, so ford should put latvala in front

[Viking]

So starting position tomorrow will be... Latvala-Hirvonen-Ogier-Loeb ??

[GINE]

So starting position tomorrow will be... Latvala-Hirvonen-Ogier-Loeb ??
latvala-hirvonen-loeb-ogier i think

[Bobcat]

Ogier set to use slowing tactics http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90203

[JAM]

A sad Patrick Flodin at the end of SS6: "Pfff.... man this is no funny at all..."

The Subaru is really damaged and at the service park was not possible to do much

[Krigen]

go

[Brother John]

Like always from Citroën, theatre play ......!!!!!

[wwbroe]

Like always from Citroën, theatre play ......!!!!!

If my memory is not leaving me i think it was especially a certain Mr Wilson that started years ago to play tactic game. But i expect them both to do it whenever it suits them, just part of the game.

[AndyRAC]

If my memory is not leaving me i think it was especially a certain Mr Wilson that started years ago to play tactic game. But i expect them both to do it whenever it suits them, just part of the game.

The sooner there is more competition, the better, and these childish games can lessen.

[wwbroe]

What happened with Breen, i don't see him in results after stage 5?

[dimviii]

If my memory is not leaving me i think it was especially a certain Mr Wilson that started years ago to play tactic game. But i expect them both to do it whenever it suits them, just part of the game.
+1

[Brother John]

If my memory is not leaving me i think it was especially a certain Mr Wilson that started years ago to play tactic game. But i expect them both to do it whenever it suits them, just part of the game.

We know also that Citroën has the best cars then it is easier for them.

[Salist]

Ogier not split time...

[Krigen]

Ogier not split time...

*******s

[wwbroe]

That happened before today, so don't worry about it.

[Salist]

Ogier +5.8s on 3rd split point

[wwbroe]

What happened with Petter, another puncture???

[jonkka]

Petter +2 min

[Krigen]

Loeb slowing down :(

[JAM]

Loeb almost stop before the last corner...

[Salist]

**** citroen!!!

[wwbroe]

Petter stopped on the stage? What the f...k is happening?

[Sulland]

This is not rally, this is more like snooker - trying to make sure you hide behind something to make life hard for the other guy !

FIA; please do something with this farce of a competition !!


__________________

Petter 3rd puncture of the day !!

[dimviii]

watch at 11,07 !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IrSYBeRflk

[Bobcat]

**** citroen!!!
+2

[OldF]

JML didn't slow down.

[wwbroe]

This is not rally, this is more like snooker - trying to make sure you hide behind something to make life hard for the other guy !

FIA; please do something with this farce of a competition !!

You are still not used to this farce, it is happening since many, many years in WRC. :D

[JAM]

JML didn't slow down.

JML told at the end that didn't want to play that game

[Salist]

F...cking cheat citroen team!!!

[Krigen]

Ogier slowing too :(

[Salist]

Congratutations for team citroen! IT'S NOT SPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bobcat]

16:41 Loeb - "Ford are very dangerous here..."
Sebastien Loeb shows the Citroen tactics by slowing right down before the finish of SS7, with a time of 13m39.2s he was intentionally 5.7s behind Mikko Hirvonen. When asked about the tactics he said "It's ok I was going very fast today but i couldn't make any gap on (Hirvonen) today so I thought i'd stay behind.... I think Ford are very dangerous here they are going very fast."

[Salist]

Its a big business nothing more!

[satnav]

latvala-hirvonen-loeb-ogier i think

Spot on there

[bennizw]

It´s getting too stupid this waiting game. The rally doesn´t really start before Sunday with the regulations. Bring back the rule where drivers could pick their starting position after the first and second day, as in 2001.

[JAM]

These guys should get a penalty of 1 minute. They almost stoped in front of everybody near the time taking control control.

And Ogier is liar, because said that didn't play the game of slowing....

[AndyRAC]

You are still not used to this farce, it is happening since many, many years in WRC. :D

Yeah, but it seems worse now because there's only 2 Manufacturers...and it's far easier to play 'tactics'.

[Sulland]

You are still not used to this farce, it is happening since many, many years in WRC. :D

:s mokin:
I have seen it as long as you, but this is not worthy of the best rally drivers in the world. They do not like it, we do not like it, the team bosses do not like to give the order, so why not change it ? :confused:

[I am evil Homer]

Really because on Autosport he said he'd slow down!

[satnav]

solberg has 2 punctures aparently

[wwbroe]

As i predicted before, Ogier is in control of the game and will be controlli,ng tomorrow as he is the last one of the four top-runners. I am surprised that everybody is so exited about the tactics, it is happening since many years in WRC. If you don't like it you have to follow IRC, there is not tactics, only if Quesnel is there, like in Monte.

[dimviii]

faster first pass at Felizes was Ogier at 13,25
at Felizes2 faster was Latvala at 13,27.Seems that even Ford drivers waiting for Citroens tactics take this ss easy.All previous ss at second run were all faster from 8-13 sec.So Latvala and Mikko slow down too.

[Brother John]

*******s

+10

[Bobcat]

16:48 Clear tactic from the Citroen team
Sebastien Ogier also slowed drastically before the end of the SS7, ensuring that they don't have to start at the front in Day 2. Ogier finished in 13m45.6s a massive 18.5s behind Latvala, meaning that overall he has dropped from rally leader to fourth overall. When asked about the slowing tactics he said "You need a big gap if you want to stay in the lead and it wasn't going to happen today."

[Halvis]

Petter out? What happened?

[JAM]

Petter out? What happened?

3 punctures it seems...

[dimviii]

Petter stopped?

[Halvis]

Totally today, or on the last stage?

[wwbroe]

He stopped before the end of the stage, so he will restart under superrally and will be loosing 10 minutes. If he passes the finishline, he will get his time of the stage (loosing 9 mins) and another 10 mins for superrally, so smart move after all his problems.

[awake27]

Probably Petter stopped to use superally as he will lose only 5 minutes instead of 8:54.6 he was on the last split.

As for the tactics, it has been since 2008... and they only responsible for this is FIA and the persons who listen to. Not Loeb-Hirvonen-Ogier etc...

[OldF]

The organiser should pick a random stage where none of the top drivers didn’t have any trouble and that would be the start order for the next day.

[Salist]

Its a big circus, not sport!!!!

[JAM]

Bernardo Sousa had an off.

[wwbroe]

Craig Breen is there after all at stage 5, and he is still leading the academy with a rather big margin on Lemes

[wwbroe]

Probably Petter stopped to use superally as he will lose only 5 minutes instead of 8:54.6 he was on the last split.

As for the tactics, it has been since 2008... and they only responsible for this is FIA and the persons who listen to. Not Loeb-Hirvonen-Ogier etc...

Remember that he will take a 10 min penalty going into superrally, but that still is better than crossing the finishline. :D

[N.O.T]

lets see..the sad thing is tommorow if ogier or loeb do not get a safe lead they will be able to play tactics again for day 3.....

the whole day was a farce today none went flat out....fast yes but no risks or anything....

[Brother John]

:p :
Its a big circus, not sport!!!!


That´s the name wrc = WORLD RALLY CIRCUS. ;)

[Salist]

Its good!

[COD]

Holy s**t, I just saw new livery of Hennings car! Almost had my dinner come back up. That is ugly!
Well, can't understand why he is driving in the first place, no results and no speed...

[Salist]

I agree...

[Crocone]

The organiser should pick a random stage where none of the top drivers didn’t have any trouble and that would be the start order for the next day.

Yes you're right, this is a brilliant idea. At the end of the day, they should draw a stage and make the start order depending on results of that stage.

But I'm sure that Petter with his huge bad luck would still be the most disadvanced. :D

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Hunt at the end of SS7 ??? Lost too much time :confused:
He was in position to get 2nd of GR(after Llemes disappeared from classification) :(

[bluuford]

Well, When I was looking the splits this morning and saw that Petter had such a good splits then I was immediately worries that he is going to push too much, hits some rocks and get punctures. just approximately 10 minutes later it happened! and later he had to push even more to get the loosed time back and what happened? three more punctures. The fact is that the roads are a bit rough and you should drive very sensibly. So, what can we expect for tomorrow. I must say that it was very brave decision by Ogier. nearly 20 seconds behind the lead and there is Latvala in front of him who tends to crab a lot of rocks on the road due to his nice driving style :-) Brave, brave..I must mention! Looking the current weather data.. it looks that there is a small risk of rain overnight as well.

What happened to Y.Lemes on the penultimate stage?

[Xsara Fan]

'Kubica style' crash by Tagirov http://www.almrally.ru/novosti-wrc/info/5049/

[uranium]

Tagirov car after crash
http://dmitrytagirov.com/images/stories/2011/110325-01-crash/110325-d1-1-1-800v.jpg

[N.O.T]

Damn !!!

[darkstar]

has anything happened?

[Fri]

my pics from friday: http://www.rallysport.hu/images/2011/photo/wrc/03_portugal/01_pentek_fri/index.htm

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_fcc9431ad6.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_1fd68e4a7c.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_0b0a153b44.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_1fc373f756.jpg


More photos from 1st leg HERE ;) (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=842&fseason=2011)

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Day 2 - a strange day ...

Were the Fords really on a par with the Citroens at last or holding back and waiting for Saturday ?

And tactics didnt seem needed when the Fords are winning stages even while road-sweeping... ??

I hope its all as it appears as such close stage times like today would be great for the WRC ...

We shall see ...

[tolis]

has anything happened?
Fortunately, no!
Highlights of Day 1, now on: http://www.everythingon.tv/channel/view/espn-9

[OldF]

Day 2 - a strange day ...

Were the Fords really on a par with the Citroens at last or holding back and waiting for Saturday ?

And tactics didnt seem needed when the Fords are winning stages even while road-sweeping... ??

I hope its all as it appears as such close stage times like today would be great for the WRC ...

We shall see ...

http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=52&filtr=

LOEB S. / ELENA D. (st. č. 1) "Mikko drove very fast today. But I want to be behind him tomorrow."

[rbatista82]

Photos from Rally de Portugal 2011
http://www.supermotores.net/sm/fotos.asp?id=222

http://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/IMG_1029.jpg

tp://www.supermotores.net/images/galeria/IMG_1275.jpg

[Juha_Koo]

I'm not 100% sure that Ford really didn't want to do tactics... Here's some transcript from Latvala's onboard at wrc.com

01:51->

Miikka: And after that we have still Left 7..
Miikka: 41 must be made..sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twentyone, twentytwo, twentythree, twentyfour, twentyf...
JM: Twentyfour, right?!
Miikka: Fourtyone has to be made!
JM: Nooo! Oh...
Miikka: That's gone.
JM: Oh... No, damn it!
Miikka: That failed.
JM: Okayh...

[dimviii]

I'm not 100% sure that Ford really didn't want to do tactics... Here's some transcript from Latvala's onboard at wrc.com

01:51->

Miikka: And after that we have still Left 7..
Miikka: 41 must be made..sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twentyone, twentytwo, twentythree, twentyfour, twentyf...
JM: Twentyfour, right?!
Miikka: Fourtyone has to be made!
JM: Nooo! Oh...
Miikka: That's gone.
JM: Oh... No, damn it!
Miikka: That failed.
JM: Okayh...

look at post #590 it was obvious from their time compairing to first pass from same ss.

[N.O.T]

there was absolutely no way for mikko or anyone to be that close on a gravel rally after day 1.....it was all tactics from start to finish.

[Barreis]

Nice photos all around..

[bluuford]

there was absolutely no way for mikko or anyone to be that close on a gravel rally after day 1.....it was all tactics from start to finish.

You have short memory my boy! Last year Ogier won and he was first on the road on day 2 and day 3. So, everything is possible in Portugal. One factor is that first cars have less rough roads than the cars that come behind. You can see how many punctures one Norwegian guy collected today while trying to push more..was it 4 punctures in 6 stages?

[Co-driven]

Earlier today I saw a post about Semerad using Dmack tires and about its wear.

I've seen this picture:

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/portugalsko/sem_pneu.JPG

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those tires are really wore out, right?

[dimviii]

totaly wore out.

[Motorsportfun]

Earlier today I saw a post about Semerad using Dmack tires and about its wear.

I've seen this picture:

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/portugalsko/sem_pneu.JPG

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those tires are really wore out, right?

Same problem at Michelin, too soft and not reliable.

[Bobcat]

there was absolutely no way for mikko or anyone to be that close on a gravel rally after day 1.....it was all tactics from start to finish.
http://www.wrc.com/news/quesnel-braced-for-thrilling-wrc-fight/?fid=14399

[OldF]

Citroen drivers didn’t get enough gap (as they’re used to) on the first day and that’s why they decided to use tactics. Lets hope the roads tomorrow don’t give any advantages of these tactics.

[N.O.T]

boss tactics are also part of the game...

[Barreis]

I saw worse conditions of tyres last year when pirelli was in..

[tfp]

Citroen drivers didn’t get enough gap (as they’re used to) on the first day and that’s why they decided to use tactics. Lets hope the roads tomorrow don’t give any advantages of these tactics.

:up:
Lets hope for a drop of rain overnight....

[Co-driven]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/portugalsko/sem_pneu.JPG

And what is the reason that the tires are worn on just half of it? The 4wd cars have different tires for each side, right?

[cosmicpanda]

The organiser should pick a random stage where none of the top drivers didn’t have any trouble and that would be the start order for the next day.

Brilliant idea - or, perhaps the first stage of each day. No telling how things will play out so impossible to drop time strategically.

[Hartusvuori]

What happened to Hunt at the end of SS7 ??? Lost too much time :confused:


I was wondering about that as well. At teams FB post they say no real probems though:


Harry Hunt motorsport (http://www.facebook.com/harryhuntmotorsport)


Got to end of day one without any real problems; a few pace note issues in the morning and then we just spent the afternoon learning the car and tyres on gravel. We tested on Pirellis and are driving the Rally on BFGoodrichs, so it's really not easy...still, tomorrow's another day!

[dimviii]

http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2011/portugalsko/sem_pneu.JPG

And what is the reason that the tires are worn on just half of it? The 4wd cars have different tires for each side, right?

camber angles at wheels.
No they don t have different tires at each side.Sometimes different at front/rear.Depents on surface/ambient-surface temp/ss total km etc.

[dimviii]

Sousas off!
http://www.rallybuzz.com/wrc-bernardo-sousa-crash-portugal-rally-video/

[Salist]

WRC Portugal 2011 crash bernardo sousa SS7 felizes2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs6xZ7ZQh28&feature=player_embedded

[alleskids]

Why can't the 0-car sweep enough off the road? Let them drive at more speed and drive more the lines that the competiters will drive.

[Wim_Impreza]

Sousa received a 10' SupeRally penalty in the last SS yesterday, while Petter Solberg only received 5' in the same SS. Another farce in the WRC!

[OldF]

:up:
Lets hope for a drop of rain overnight....

Gerard Quinn on Twitter:

“Rain overnight here in Portugal. SS8 Almodovar 1 at 1017hr local”

More info about the weather please.

[Miika]

Hahaa, lucky dogs if it has indeed rained and if even more rain will follow.

[OldF]

Sousa received a 10' SupeRally penalty in the last SS yesterday, while Petter Solberg only received 5' in the same SS. Another farce in the WRC!

Sousa doesn’t drive Citroen. :o

[Comal]

Sousa received a 10' SupeRally penalty in the last SS yesterday, while Petter Solberg only received 5' in the same SS. Another farce in the WRC!

Where do you get this information from?? Results on WRC show Solberg posted a 23:27 and Sousa 24:10 - both 10min on fastest in their class.
Wish you guys would build a bridge and get over your conspiracy theories.

[Wim_Impreza]

Where do you get this information from?? Results on WRC show Solberg posted a 23:27 and Sousa 24:10 - both 10min on fastest in their class.
Wish you guys would build a bridge and get over your conspiracy theories.

Here: http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=2326

[Salist]

WRC Rally Mexico 2011 Day 1 review and highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Kxfiovjx4&feature=player_embedded

[rage82]

WRC Rally Mexico 2011 Day 1 review and highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-Kxfiovjx4&feature=player_embedded

Rally Portugal i think ;)

[tolis]

live: http://www.estadio.in/rtp

[Krigen]

Stage on

[rage82]

Uf i almost forget that this stage will be live on TV. Thansk for the link

[jonkka]

Thanks Tolis!

[bluuford]

Hahaa, lucky dogs if it has indeed rained and if even more rain will follow.

It rained a little in the morning at 7 (three hours ago) but it is windy and temperature right now is +13 degrees. Will be nearly +20 in midday.But today it should be more cloudy. But no more rain is visible right now.
However, the amount of rain was less than 0.5mm, so it does not help even with the dust. Might make the conditions harder for the first drivers instead.

[Mauri A]

Might make the conditions harder for the first drivers instead.
Looks like it!

[Krigen]

Loeb and Ogier gaining alot of time

[N.O.T]

the lead of latvala is history....

[Psycho!]

And Mikko was happy without a reason.... :confused:

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "More cleaning today. But we will see on next two stages, because it was little bit raining."

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "We made a small mistake. I'm lucky, that we are here."

rally.cz

[Mauri A]

What a great tactician is Mr Wilson!

[jonkka]

Magician, you say?

[Mauri A]

He wasn´t a first class driver in his days, he isn´t a first class team manager but he may be first class money maker in rallying!

[JAM]

Armindo has engine problems and they reduced the power today. Also throtle problems since yesterday afternoon, when he leaves the throtle it stays on...

Are the Ford cleaning the road or are the Citroen showing his real value?

[kubiczech]

Great coverage on portugal TV. Dont understand why WRC isnt spreading this worldwide and we have to sneak through some "pirate TV" engine.
Its exactly what it needs, at least one live TV stage a day.

[tolis]

There will be also live coverage of Almodovar 2 in about 4 hours!!!

[OldF]

Doesn’t work for me. “Stream not found”. :confused:

[Brother John]

Doesn’t work for me. “Stream not found”. :confused:

It works only in Portugal!!!

[dimviii]

in Greece worked

[tolis]

Doesn’t work for me. “Stream not found”. :confused:
It works fine for me... http://www.estadio.in/rtp

[Viking]

Paddon is really gunning for the pwrc win, 21sec faster than Grøndal on ss8...

[jonkka]

Mikko in problems

[Brother John]

It works fine for me... http://www.estadio.in/rtp

It works not for me here in Sweden.
Splittimes on SS9 Vascao change so much to see at the moment!

[dimviii]

Also Loeb on problems!!!!

[Brother John]

F * cking tyres.

[N.O.T]

rain ?

[jonkka]

Also Loeb on problems!!!!

Perhaps Mikko had a puncture, changed it real quick and re-started just in front of Loeb who's suffering from Mikko's dust.

[jonkka]

Yeah, that's what WRC texts say:

11:17 Mikko suffers puncture and changes whell on the stage

[dimviii]

Perhaps Mikko had a puncture, changed it real quick and re-started just in front of Loeb who's suffering from Mikko's dust.
tyre change in 1 min 50 sec? way to fast!

edit.jonkka is right! extreme fast tyre change!

[OldF]

Wrc.com live text:

11:23 Loeb's splits show signs for concern

As well as Mikko Hirvonen's puncutre, Sebastien Loeb is also struggling on Vascao and as the time comes in for the fourth split he is 24.5s behind Jari-Matti Latvala.

11:17 Mikko suffers puncture and changes whell on the stage

Mikko Hirvonen has suffered a puncture but instead of carrying on he changed the tire on the stage is currently back on the stage, as a result he was 1m49.8s behind Latvala on the third split. As well as this Sebastien Loeb has lost 15.7s on the same split.

11:03 On Twitter - @Hopewellcj

"Safety car crashed here on the corner just before the hairpin. Milko also VERY close to doing the same! WRC Rally Portugal."

[Viking]

that must be one of the fastest wheel changes ever, guess we have to check the inboard cam for seatbelts and so on..

[dimviii]

Ogier on advantage right now,and with Loeb with safety? difference.

[N.O.T]

mikko no chance to win now...Loeb controls the action and the tactics for day 3

[N.O.T]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....

[OldF]

Now Ogier was “only” 2 seconds faster than JML. Maybe the previous stage was slippery for first cars.

[Brother John]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....

Bulsh!T, Citroën had decided yesterday that Ford would clean the roads.

[A.F.F.]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....

You don't think Loeb would have done the exact same thing?

[Bobcat]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....
Hirvonen said "We changed the tire and then we go, I wasn't going to wait."

[iJones]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....
No. That's rallying.

[Wim_Impreza]

Matthew Wilson on a 5th place shows again how poor the level is in WRC the last years.

[N.O.T]

You don't think Loeb would have done the exact same thing?

no he wouldn't...when you stop to change the tyre you wait for the coming car to pass...for safety and sporting spirit...but as i said a beaten sick dog who never won anything cannot have such a mentality.

[6789]

Unfair imo

[A.F.F.]

no he wouldn't...when you stop to change the tyre you wait for the coming car to pass...for safety and sporting spirit...but as i said a beaten sick dog who never won anything cannot have such a mentality.

Ah, I wait for the day we meet!

[Viking]

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "Mikko drove into the stage 8 sec. before us. We had to wait then, because the dust."

unsporting behaviour by mikko, but its ok normal sick dog antics....

We have to wait and see the videos, if they were all buckeld up and ready to go i have no problem with it.

If not i guess we will see a penalty..

[N.O.T]

penalty for what ?

[dimviii]

Ah, I wait for the day we meet!

You can ask him kindly to borrow his house at Acropolis. :love:

[jonkka]

Ah, I wait for the day we meet!

You're going to collect the debt with extra interest? :D

[Viking]

penalty for what ?

seatbelts, it has been given before.

[dimviii]

petter faster

[N.O.T]

You can ask him kindly to borrow his house at Acropolis. :love:

i am too far away from the dog city where acropolis is held....so no use.

[N.O.T]

seatbelts, it has been given before.

has he driven the stage without seatbels ??? i doubt it....

[N.O.T]

another question....

why icecube even bothers ??

[dimviii]

i am too far away from the dog city where acropolis is held....so no use.

ok i ll invite both of you in my house,but separate rooms for peace mind.

[Bobcat]

no he wouldn't...when you stop to change the tyre you wait for the coming car to pass...for safety and sporting spirit...but as i said a beaten sick dog who never won anything cannot have such a mentality.
"sporting spirit about Citroen" ...such a bad joke.

[snellman]

has he driven the stage without seatbels ??? i doubt it....

the car must not move before the seatbelts are allowed to be taken off

[N.O.T]

"sporting spirit about Citroen" ...such a bad joke.

its no different from ford...when it comes to team management

when it comes to persons what mikko did was not in temrs with the sporting spirit...his rally was destroyed anyway so he had to be a gentleman and allow Loeb to pass then go....he probably did not do it on purpose but this may also backfires and Loeb wins the rally we will see...

[Viking]

has he driven the stage without seatbels ??? i doubt it....

No, but if they buckle up when the car is in speed, it can be penelized

[N.O.T]

the car must not move before the seatbelts are allowed to be taken off

i remember Gardemeister in NZ driving almost 500meters without his codriver being buckled and nothing happened....

[snellman]

i remember Gardemeister in NZ driving almost 500meters without his codriver being buckled and nothing happened....

it should be penelized

[N.O.T]

nice to see the unemployed icecube getting slower and slower after each rally... it is called the reverse development tactic...

[jonkka]

it is called the reverse development tactic...

I wonder how you seem know that theory so well? :eek:

[N.O.T]

by studying finnish rally wannabe media champions for the last 8 years.....

[N.O.T]

next stage is on...Hirvonen on cruising mode...the citroens push latvala...

[Mauri A]

Did you once promise that you finish on this forum? Why are you still here with your sick dogs?

[OldF]

Talking about ice cubs and who would need some. :D

[wwbroe]

Loeb on a charge, maybe they got him angry? ;)

[jonkka]

by studying finnish rally wannabe media champions for the last 8 years.....

Ah, I see. So it was my folly to think that your reflection in the mirror could have given you such insight. Silly of me.

[N.O.T]

Ah, I see. So it was my folly to think that your reflection in the mirror could have given you such insight. Silly of me.

yes it was, but its ok, misconceptions are usual.

[N.O.T]

Ogier will be leader after this....but does he want that for tommorow ?

[wwbroe]

I guess it depends onafternoon stages and how much time he can take from JML.

[N.O.T]

on this stage the wrc of '11 were 20 seconds slower than the wrcs of '10....crazy......almost 1 sec/km

i think gravel rallies are bad for comparison...very inconsistent results...

[wwbroe]

Great time for Loeb, but Ogier is coming trough even faster, Citroen is playing big hand now.

[Crocone]

This is not rallying. This is a circus. And I'm talking about both sides - Citroen and Ford.

[N.O.T]

Loeb is on a perfect position for the win now....

[wwbroe]

Wilson is still the best of the rest, if two top teams weren't around he could actually take a rally-win in the WRC, who would have tought that? :D

[Bobcat]

This is not rallying. This is a circus. And I'm talking about both sides - Citroen and Ford.
Sorry, only Citroen!

[Sulland]

MadMads is on a charge !!

[N.O.T]

Sorry, only Citroen!

nice goldfish memory....remember when Wilson forced the private team to run ahead of the official ones to clear the road ???

[serial jeff]

Being a Petter fan usually seems to result in disappointment :( . Seriously, how does someone get four punctures in one day??

[Brother John]

Being a Petter fan usually seems to result in disappointment :( . Seriously, how does someone get four punctures in one day??

His driving style with the modern rally cars. We saw that also with the S2000 in Monte Carlo.

[dimviii]

from wrc.com
At the end of stage stop control Loeb nudged the bumper of Hirvonen’s car with his before telling WRC TV that Hirvonen had “destroyed” his race. lol

[Woodeye]

This forum is getting sadder and sadder. One village idiot shouting here idiotisms about sick dogs etc.. Don't bother to come here anymore to follow the rallies because I just get a headache. This was not the case when I joined the forum ages ago.

[Barreis]

Don't like Hirvonen..

[serial jeff]

from wrc.com
At the end of stage stop control Loeb nudged the bumper of Hirvonen’s car with his before telling WRC TV that Hirvonen had “destroyed” his race.

wow I'm surprised, that's really unsportsmanlike behaviour. Mikko's intentions seemed innocent enough. This is rally, sometimes conditions aren't perfect. I wouldn't expect him to sit around waiting for Loeb to pass.
And it's worth pointing out that Loeb wouldn't have been behind Mikko if he hadn't intentionally played tactics yesterday to arrange that :rolleyes:

[miksu]

This forum is getting sadder and sadder. One village idiot shouting here idiotisms about sick dogs etc.. Don't bother to come here anymore to follow the rallies because I just get a headache. This was not the case when I joined the forum ages ago.

Yeah, he kinda makes this crappier. But it's still the best forum i think. I recommend ignoring his posts, i think there is that kinda option.

[wwbroe]

This forum is getting sadder and sadder. One village idiot shouting here idiotisms about sick dogs etc.. Don't bother to come here anymore to follow the rallies because I just get a headache. This was not the case when I joined the forum ages ago.

You should have stopped this forum some years ago allready then, tactics is something we see for many years now, and after all it was Ford who made it enter in the championship after all. And concerning NOT, i don't think that is influencing in any matter the sport as it is, just funny and some other kind of vieuw on situation. :D

[awake27]

Seems the win is between Ogier and Latvala with Loeb outsider. A lot will depend on the 2nd pass, if Ogier will pull a gap or Latvala will stay close thus provoking another dilemma for tactics. Loeb will have to close the gap to have a chance though most probably will be as fast as Ogier so only 2nd place. Tomorrow just 104km in compare to the first 2 days and the last 31km is the power stage in reverse order so is the best day to protect your lead if you are first.


As for the part Mikko played, unfortunately is a grey hole and depends on sportmanship between the drivers and teams(and the majority in the past did the fair play). If it was only the last 2-3 km I will excuse him but he impeded the race of a fellow competitor for almost 2/3 of 25km-stage rejoining just 8 secs ahead. Very bad.

[ZequeArgentina]

This forum is getting sadder and sadder. One village idiot shouting here idiotisms about sick dogs etc.. Don't bother to come here anymore to follow the rallies because I just get a headache. This was not the case when I joined the forum ages ago.

I have same feeling about the forum loosing its placeas THE PLACE to share intelligen and learning views from real rally experts, and neweis to rallybut respectful fans.
OK, that is the way it is, but have not found a better place for the time being

[serial jeff]

wow I'm surprised, that's really unsportsmanlike behaviour. Mikko's intentions seemed innocent enough. This is rally, sometimes conditions aren't perfect. I wouldn't expect him to sit around waiting for Loeb to pass.
And it's worth pointing out that Loeb wouldn't have been behind Mikko if he hadn't intentionally played tactics yesterday to arrange that :rolleyes:

nevermind, I'm hearing their new interview on WRR and it seems like Loeb isn't actually angry at Mikko's actions

[tolis]

Day 1 Highlights: http://www.woop.gr/content/21938/wrc-2011-rally-portogalias-day-1-video

[dimviii]

Day 1 Highlights: http://www.woop.gr/content/21938/wrc-2011-rally-portogalias-day-1-video

Tolis when is going to be live the ss?

[N.O.T]

This forum is getting sadder and sadder. One village idiot shouting here idiotisms about sick dogs etc.. Don't bother to come here anymore to follow the rallies because I just get a headache. This was not the case when I joined the forum ages ago.

you joined 2005 i joined 2001....so i was here ages ago as well shouting the same idiotisms....you know what was the major change that annoys you ?? the fact that the drivers your country produces the last few years are media champions and not real champions....thats why you find me annoying....because what i say its actually true. Its hurtful i know and at the end of the day if you an adult you can ignore me and follow your media champions without any nuisance from myself....but guess what the ridicule your champions will get from Loeb,Ogier,Solberg ects will remain and that is the thing you cannot stand.

for anyone that wants to ignore me is easy..

click on my name..... go to view profile.... on the left there is an option.add to gnore list....its easy and there is a purpose that is there...

problem solved...

[tolis]

Tolis when is going to be live the ss?
In about 1 and a half hour. 17:10 greek time.
This is the link: http://www.estadio.in/rtp2 (This stage will be shown by RTP2)

[Barreis]

Day 1 Highlights: http://www.woop.gr/content/21938/wrc-2011-rally-portogalias-day-1-video

Thanks friend! :)

[tolis]

You are welcome Barreis!!! Pozdravi!!! :D
Where is Breen???

[Barreis]

Pozdrav i tebi! :D

[bluuford]

You are welcome Barreis!!! Pozdravi!!! :D
Where is Breen???

Well, yesterday Egon Kaur commented that he cannot imagine how it was possible that Breen´s car is still in one piece. Conditions were rough and he said that going faster with such a car is not the way to reach till the end. And in the evening they said that Breens car needed to change a lot of parts starting from engine mounting, gearbox mounting and ending with rear axle. So, I guess that the car just gave up.

[dimviii]

In about 1 and a half hour. 17:10 greek time.
This is the link: http://www.estadio.in/rtp2 (This stage will be shown by RTP2)

Thanks Tolis!