Rally de Portugal 2011

[rage82]

they are discussing now can Mads drive on 3 wheels on the public road and to risk been excluded or to continue with super rally system

[wwbroe]

Mikko in front now, let's see what is the time for Seb, seems he makes second time.

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen takes the superspecial....1.3 faster than Loeb.

[r199]

and on the twitter of FermWRT team thay are saying the wheel that broke off hit some spectators

[wwbroe]

Hopefully the wheel didn't hurt anybody too serious.

[Croattoan]

Yeah , the wheel jumped into the spectator area and i saw someone getting medical assistance didnt seem serious though.

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Good start Mikko - lets see you go flat out for the win !

Also good luck to Craig Breen in the WRC Academy... also started well !
1. Yeray Lemes Ford Fiesta R2 3mins 13.3secs A
2. Craig Breen Ford Fiesta R2 +00mins 00.7secs A

[Motorsportfun]

no stream outside portugal....

Icecube will have an epic fight with icecream team and slowson....cannot wait.

Yes, here's one: http://www.estadio.in/rtp2

[stepunk]

Can someone tell me, without any doubt, if Araujo's Mini has 33 or 30 mm restrictor?
There's a lot of confusion: asked to 10 person and got 10 different answers!!!
Thanks in advance!

[N.O.T]

Q. What's the difference in the engine between this [S2000] Mini and the car Kris Meeke will drive in Sardinia?

David Lapworth: Nothing. There's no difference in terms of horsepower. The flywheel is different on the World Rally Car, but that's the only difference.

[N.O.T]

so the restrictor is 33 same at WRC.

[Wasted Talent]

Can someone tell me, without any doubt, if Araujo's Mini has 33 or 30 mm restrictor?
There's a lot of confusion: asked to 10 person and got 10 different answers!!!
Thanks in advance!

As N.O.T says ------- 33mm

WT

[Fast Eddie WRC]

Pics from the Shakedown here:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/rally-portugal-2011-shakedown-photos-bb/

And Block crash vid:

http://www.rallybuzz.com/ken-block-crash-portugal-video-shakedown-2/

[tfp]

Nice to see Hirvonen taking a stage win:-)

[Aquagen]

It was a mistake in Saliuk SS1 online (wrc.com, ewrc-results etc) result. His time is 3:09.0

[Ondra WRC]

Video from Mads Ostberg crash on SS1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfipGZCCoI

[stepunk]

Q. What's the difference in the engine between this [S2000] Mini and the car Kris Meeke will drive in Sardinia?

David Lapworth: Nothing. There's no difference in terms of horsepower. The flywheel is different on the World Rally Car, but that's the only difference.

Thanks!!!

[Jafry]

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_4b9d226387.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_3c337af038.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_b493f79691.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/842/842_portugalska_rally_2011_3f5c365692.jpg

More photos from Lisabon SS HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=842&fseason=2011) ;)

[OldF]

Looking at the wheel of Ösberg’s car it seems that only the rim is broken so probably he can continue tomorrow.

[Barreis]

Nice photos..

[logic]

Pics of the car

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/188448_10150119168207532_720282531_6656200_5644531 _n.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199534_10150119168222532_720282531_6656201_1829728 _n.jpg
http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190583_10150119168247532_720282531_6656202_4897745 _n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198047_10150119168277532_720282531_6656203_1395505 _n.jpg
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/190326_10150119168387532_720282531_6656206_3084904 _n.jpg

[logic]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198567_10150119168412532_720282531_6656207_4213052 _n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/188841_10150119168487532_720282531_6656210_2602773 _n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190735_10150119168577532_720282531_6656213_4605595 _n.jpg

[urabus-denoS2000]

Fantastic how safe these cars are , really impressive :)

[tfp]

Where did they buy those axle stands? I want em...

[tfp]

Oh yeah, Blocks car:-) Will this start on superally? That will be two in a row for him!

[N.O.T]

he will not compete in portugal ....

and go watch F1 this weekend and from now on please.

[janvanvurpa]

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/198567_10150119168412532_720282531_6656207_4213052 _n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/188841_10150119168487532_720282531_6656210_2602773 _n.jpg
http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/190735_10150119168577532_720282531_6656213_4605595 _n.jpg


Quitter.

[TyPat107]

What happens when Ken writes off a car like that? Is that that factored into his contract before hand, or does he(I mean his sponsors) have to fork out money for a new car?

[6789]

Mods Ostberg incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nw_bjQtNFtk&feature=feedu

[wwbroe]

Pitty for Mads that he is loosing quite a lot of time due to this incident, but i guess that is all part of building up his career. Did he make it into the TC or will he restart under superrally?

[miksu]

Pitty for Mads that he is loosing quite a lot of time due to this incident, but i guess that is all part of building up his career. Did he make it into the TC or will he restart under superrally?

Looking at the damage, i think he was able to just put the spare wheel and drive normally.

[6789]

Looking at the damage, i think he was able to just put the spare wheel and drive normally.

Probs change brake lines as well ;)

Should be an interesting day today, must say I;m surprised Mikko won the SSS last night. Normally Ogier is very fast on them

[Hartusvuori]

Pitty for Mads that he is loosing quite a lot of time due to this incident, but i guess that is all part of building up his career.

Mads is still carrying his bad karma. How many times has he changed a wheel midstage, or had some other minor damage that has cause a timeloss of a 2-3 minutes. Okey, this was a driving mistake, but still - even mistakes are sometimes down to luck. In Sweden he had an exceptional and clean run, look at the result. I do very much hope better luck for the rest of the season so we could see the true potential of his speed with the Fiesta.

[miksu]

Probs change brake lines as well ;)



Yeah :P

[J.Lindstroem]

Mads is still carrying his bad karma. How many times has he changed a wheel midstage, or had some other minor damage that has cause a timeloss of a 2-3 minutes. Okey, this was a driving mistake, but still - even mistakes are sometimes down to luck. In Sweden he had an exceptional and clean run, look at the result. I do very much hope better luck for the rest of the season so we could see the true potential of his speed with the Fiesta.

Yeah but at the same time Mads is very experienced on snow, I think it will be hard for him to repeat the result on any other rally.

[N.O.T]

10 lousy minutes until the start...

[wwbroe]

Yeah, let's see who is taking the win on the first "real" stage of this rally. ;)

What is the weather like for the moment?

[darkstar]

5 minutes left, i´m exited :) i´m also looking forward to the academy, at last one germany with good talent.

[J.Lindstroem]

I think Ogier will be on fire this morning after the dissapointment in Mexico.

[J.Lindstroem]

5 minutes left, i´m exited :) i´m also looking forward to the academy, at last one germany with good talent.

It would be nice to see a fast german driver in the Wrc. =)

[Hartusvuori]

Yeah but at the same time Mads is very experienced on snow, I think it will be hard for him to repeat the result on any other rally.

True. That is why added word excecptional. He's podium in Sweden was down to preferable circumstances. But I still believe with a clean gravel run he can be right behind the top guns and much closer in terms of timegap.

Few minutes to go...

[N.O.T]

the stage... is "go"

[bluuford]

Yeah, let's see who is taking the win on the first "real" stage of this rally. ;)

What is the weather like for the moment?

temperature+12 degrees rises up to +19 during the day
wind 2-3m/s
no rain, very low possibility of rainshowers
sky is mostly cloudy

[wwbroe]

Loeb a little faster then Hirvonen on first split.

[N.O.T]

Loeb marginally faster than Hirvonen on split 1

[wwbroe]

temperature+12 degrees rises up to +19 during the day
wind 2-3m/s
no rain, very low possibility of rainshowers
sky is mostly cloudy

Thanks for that info Bluuford, keep us informed.

[darkstar]

It would be nice to see a fast german driver in the Wrc. =)

yes, that would be pretty cool, but at the moment there´s noone who would be able to fight for good places in wrc. german rallye fans hope that with vw there will be a chance to get some driver into a wrc, maybe if riedemann can show good speed at the academy is a good candidate for this. also maybe gassner jr. but atm there´s in my opinion no other driver from germany with good speed.

[wwbroe]

Loeb is not winning so much compared to Hirvonen, only 0,4 sec faster at second split

[dimviii]

goooood mooooorning mates!!
lets have a good rally without retirements and battle to last stage.

[6789]

Latvala 6 minutes up on split 3! lol

Is he ok?

[morganmilan]

It would be nice to see a fast german driver in the Wrc. =)
+1

[N.O.T]

splits gone mad.....

[wwbroe]

Latvalla fastest at split 2

[hari]

Ostberg stopped

[wwbroe]

Mads having problems again.....?

[Hartusvuori]

Mads stopped. *sigh*

[N.O.T]

Loeb slower than Hirvonen on split 4....hmmmm

[wwbroe]

Loeb now a fraction slower at split four, Latvalla stillm fastest.

[Krigen]

what is happening??

[wwbroe]

Mikko finished the stage, looking good for him.

[6789]

Col Clark said its damp around this morning

[N.O.T]

hmmm strange splits....Loeb losing 2.2 .....either we have rain or its tactics all the way today.

[Hartusvuori]

"Mikko, how is the surface?"
"It's gravel."

Great tribute to Juha Kankkunen's "black, round Pirelli". :-)

[darkstar]

maybe hirvonen has read this "please something different this time" thread here in the forum ;) defenetly a good time!

[6789]

"Mikko, how is the surface?"
"It's gravel."

Great tribute to Juha Kankkunen's "black, round Pirelli". :-)

yeah I want to see video of that lol

[N.O.T]

Loeb 4 seconds slower....lets hope conditions do not form the result once more after sweden.

[morganmilan]

hmmm strange splits....Loeb losing 2.2 .....either we have rain or its tactics all the way today.
No rain

[Hartusvuori]

Broken gearbox for Mads.

[wwbroe]

Broken gearbox for Mads Ostberg

[Micke_VOC]

Pity for Ostberg )=

[6789]

Petter still quicker on the splits!!

[miksu]

Wow, I didnt expect Loeb to be slower than mikko... well just the first real stage done.

[6789]

Petter 2.6 up at 19kms?

[wwbroe]

Great last split for Petter, he might take this stage

[bluuford]

There was no rain yesterday, or overnight or even today and some wind for the dust is there as well. So, nothing wrong with the conditions

[wwbroe]

Fastest time for Petter!!!

[6789]

Fastest time for Petter!!!
Yeah still talking about road position :)

[wwbroe]

Ogier is loosing quite a lot of time compared to front runners, that is a little surprise for me.

[Viking]

Petter fast :up: Henning slow :down:

Ogier on a leash this weekend??

[wwbroe]

Henning is loosing a lot of time, more then a sec/km

Edit: seems the car is misfiring

[uranium]

Probably Ogier just insure himself... We'll see...

[wwbroe]

Wilson seems to be the best of the rest, not a bad start for him but he is in fourth year of five year plan, isn't he?

[Micke_VOC]

haha," Wilson one of the promising young drivers " .. according to WRR

[J.Lindstroem]

Isn't it the sixth year of a five year plan?

Lets count. 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010.

Yes, it is the sixth year of a five year plan, does that make sense?

[miksu]

Wilson is too fast, soon he will go out with this speed.

[wwbroe]

Both Villagra and Al Quassimi had litlle off's on this stage, but both made it to the end of the stage. Let's see what Aurojo can do in his Mini.

[wwbroe]

Sousa went off also, he was not setting too fast times.

[N.O.T]

very nice start....Lets hope mikko keeps it like that the whole rally.

[N.O.T]

The icecube champ slower than wilson.

[6789]

very nice start....Lets hope mikko keeps it like that the whole rally.

Must have been the open letter :)

[Krigen]

The icecube champ slower than wilson.


Next stage he will be faster.

[N.O.T]

Probably all the others had a cold start ...we will see.

[mm1]

1st stage for mini not so bad...

[Hartusvuori]

David Lapworth looking worried? Araujo lost more than 1s/km in Mini. Though it's still really hard to compare the speed of the car to anything worthy.

[J.Lindstroem]

Van Merkstejin is really slow. Its embarrasing!

[6789]

1st stage for mini not so bad...
Yeah surprising. Good stage time

[wwbroe]

Oliveira, in the second Mini, also went off, but it seems he is still moving, so maybe he makes it till the end of the stage.

[Krigen]

ss 3 started

[J.Lindstroem]

David Lapworth looking worried? Araujo lost more than 1s/km in Mini. Though it's still really hard to compare the speed of the car to anything worthy.

I really don't think he should look worried. I don't know but it feels like 1s/km is good for the first stage! Im sure it will be better and better... And with Sordo on the wheel, this can be really good!

[Viking]

Araujo no splits, 2s/km slower so far.. how fast is Araujo as a driver compared to the top 5??

[6789]

^^ Two time PWRC champ if that counts for anything

[wwbroe]

Loeb half a second faster then Hirvonen on stage 3 first split.

[cali]

Araujo no splits, 2s/km slower so far.. how fast is Araujo as a driver compared to the top 5??

According to vysledky-rally.cz

ARAÚJO A. / RAMALHO M. (st. č. 17) "We are not pushing."

[JAM]

how fast is Araujo as a driver compared to the top 5??

I think that neither himself knows...

First rally of the car, first rally of Armindo with a WRC in 4 years (last and only one was 2007 with a Lancer WRC here) and very cautious.

We should remember that this rally to Mini is like a test session. The car is not finished, otherwise Prodrive would come to Porytugal with Meeke and Sordo.

[wwbroe]

Looks like Mikko is reacting to Loeb's splits, he is only 0.2 sec slower at split 2.

[Krigen]

Loeb half a second faster then Hirvonen on stage 3 first split.

0,2 now on the second

[N.O.T]

Araujo no splits, 2s/km slower so far.. how fast is Araujo as a driver compared to the top 5??

compared to top five he is a nobody....the minis times look promising...the speed to win is not there but i think it might not be as embarrassing as i thought....but we will see, real test is soon.

[Karukera]

Van Merkstejin is really slow. Its embarrasing!

Going faster with those mortuary colors would be shocking to the families.
Nice bottom of the list Dutch duel going on.

[Krigen]

lokks very good for Mikko. and first on the road :)

[N.O.T]

hmmmm times look a bit strange so far....maybe day 2 stages are hell as far as sweeping goes and everybody plays safe.

[wwbroe]

Both Dutch guys, Ten Brinke and Van Loon, in the Skoda S2000's are very slow trough first 'proper' stage. Especially if you know Magalhaes had brake problems but they are still loosing about a minute compared to Bruno.

[6789]

Loeb up 1.8 on split 3 for SS3

[Krigen]

lol pace

[wwbroe]

After these two stages we can probably say that we will have evry intense battle for victory over there. Not big time differences, so that looks very promising. ;)

[6789]

Petter looking on the pace

[GINE]

Paddon will be faster than some wrc cars, and a lot faster than MAGALHAES. Strange for MAGALHAES. Is there any problem with his car?

[N.O.T]

i think we go for a 2 day tactics run and 1 day rally....

[6789]

Paddon will be faster than some wrc cars, and a lot faster than MAGALHAES. Strange for MAGALHAES. Is there any problem with his car?
Brake pedal went to floor

[Viking]

2010 SS2 Santa Clara 1 (22.72km) Sordo C4 14:09.3

2011 SS2 Santa Clara 1 (22.99km) Solberg DS3 14:03.5

[GINE]

cars faster in both stages than last year's time

[Krigen]

Paddon will be faster than some wrc cars, and a lot faster than MAGALHAES. Strange for MAGALHAES. Is there any problem with his car?

No brakes

[N.O.T]

MAGALHAES B. / GRAVE P. "No brakes."

rally.cz

[GINE]

Brake pedal went to floor

thanks

[wwbroe]

Loeb 2.7 sec faster as Hirvonen on this one

[6789]

Ogier on the Citroen leash?

[6789]

Paddon.. very nice, all the best for the guy

[GINE]

we might see a great five car battle!!! Miko, Peter, Seb1, Latvala, Seb2!!!!!

Peter problem.....

[wwbroe]

Great time for Haydon Paddon on first stage, beating very clearly Flodin by almost 13 seconds.

[N.O.T]

cars faster in both stages than last year's time

judging from the times conditions must be different...last year the leader was penalised by a lot running first...also this year stages are longer so something is wrong or the new wrc found amazing speed in 2 weeks time.

[Viking]

Petter has a bad split...

[6789]

we might see a great five car battle!!! Miko, Peter, Seb1, Latvala, Seb2!!!!!

Peter problem.....
Problem??

[Sulland]

Spin or puncture for Petter ?

[wwbroe]

What happened with Petter????

[Krigen]

problems for Petter

[N.O.T]

these times are not normal...and even i cannot find out what is going on....

[GINE]

judging from the times conditions must be different...last year the leader was penalised by a lot running first...also this year stages are longer so something is wrong or the new wrc found amazing speed in 2 weeks time.

The biggest improvement is the tyres. Michelins are faster and temperatures are much lower than last year, so no problem with tyre wear yet

[wwbroe]

No splits for Ogier coming trough neither?

[wwbroe]

Petter is loosing about one complete minute!!!!

[6789]

Minute gone for Petter.. Must have been puncture?

[GINE]

4 way battle. Peter lost a minute. Probably pancture?

[rage82]

obviously wrong split for Petter.oops my mistake did',t saw that i s13 :)

[darkstar]

for sure a puncture...why is wrr playing music, i dont get it :mad: what is going on with ogier?

[6789]

4 way battle. Peter lost a minute. Probably pancture?
Yeah thats why the time got worse, thats my guess

[wwbroe]

Equal besttime for Ogier together with his teammate, both Seb's in front on this stage.

[N.O.T]

The biggest improvement is the tyres. Michelins are faster and temperatures are much lower than last year, so no problem with tyre wear yet

still.....times seem to be consistent throughout the field no matter the starting order....which was not the case last year.

[Micke_VOC]

Why dont WRR have any reporters in the end of stage 3 ?

[darkstar]

there´s ogiers time, same time as loeb.

[6789]

Petter out of the game? or possible to make the time up?

[wwbroe]

Front right puncture for Petter.

[Krigen]

front right puncture for Petter

[Krigen]

Coca cola hipp hurra

[JAM]

SS3:
Puncture for Petter Solberg
Hirvonen not happy at the end, no words for journalists "excuse guys i have to go..."
Not many words also to Henning...

[nr7wave]

these times are not normal...and even i cannot find out what is going on....

There was talk about that the conditions this year is different from last year. The rally is much earlyer this year and there has been an hard winter which have compressed the surface of the roads. There are almost no lose gravel and no huge cleaning effect. Conditions can't be comparred with last year, both surface wise and temprature wise.

[GINE]

still.....times seem to be consistent throughout the field no matter the starting order....which was not the case last year.

it is earlier in the year, March and should be more moisture in the gravel, therefore not a lot sweaping

[6789]

still.....times seem to be consistent throughout the field no matter the starting order....which was not the case last year.

Its more the performance of the tires but

[Brother John]

Bad tires or bad wheels this year in WRC? Or is it the driving style of the drivers?

[Micke_VOC]

How about WRC Academy, any thoughts about the pace of the drivers ?

I think : Breen, Reeves, Ward,Henriksson and Kaur gonna be in the top.

[miksu]

Im afraid this years WC will be decided by who has least amount of punctures. Sucks...

[6789]

How about WRC Academy, any thoughts about the pace of the drivers ?

I think : Breen, Reeves, Ward,Henriksson and Kaur gonna be in the top.

GO Reeves!!

[BVB Rallying]

GO Timo van der Marel ;)

[GINE]

araujo will be 7th fastest in this stage!!

[6789]

GO Timo van der Marel ;)
:)

[GINE]

As the event progresses we could see times at 1sec/km or less. Not bad at all!!!

[J.Lindstroem]

Go Henriksson!! ;)

[Krigen]

Top 4 really tight :)

[pino]

How about WRC Academy, any thoughts about the pace of the drivers ?

I think : Breen, Reeves, Ward,Henriksson and Kaur gonna be in the top.

Hopefully Crugnola will be among them :D

[6789]

STOP PRESS

Wilson 5th..

[N.O.T]

The icecube is slower than the mini....nice.

[N.O.T]

STOP PRESS

Wilson 5th..

not for long...1 stage maybe.

[Micke_VOC]

STOP PRESS

Wilson 5th..

Good stagetime for Wilson...

[J.Lindstroem]

I think that Araujo will get closer and closer to Solberg and Wilson during the day... Looks good so far!

[Hartusvuori]

Very nice time for Araujo. Hopefully it continues this way and long enough. Shame for Petter.

Btw - do you follow the livetext service introduced to wrc.com this year. Seems to be nice addition.

[Barreis]

Mini is doing good..

[6789]

Good stagetime for Wilson...
Yeah he's doing well actually, good to see

[Micke_VOC]

I think that Araujo will get closer and closer to Solberg and Wilson during the day... Looks good so far!

Good pace from the new Mini...

[GINE]

Good pace from the new Mini...

Sordo could have been very close with the WRC version of mini

[Micke_VOC]

Sordo could have been very close with the WRC version of mini

I think this its a good sign of the new mini, maybe they gonna be in the top and fight =)

[dimviii]

Mini is doing good..

Yes very good...0,45sec/km faster than Paddon in his first rally with n16...

[N.O.T]

no...

[Viking]

Yes very good...0,45sec/km faster than Paddon in his first rally with n16...

Hehe, wery good time from Paddon :) Araujo 1,3s/km slower than Loeb on this one.

[JAM]

Yes very good...0,45sec/km faster than Paddon in his first rally with n16...

Probably the exception is Paddon time's... 0.56s/km faster than the second Subaru

[Micke_VOC]

no...

ohh, old positive N.O.T is back =)

[darkstar]

defenetly not so bad for the mini, lets hope he´ll keep that speed.

[tolis]

What happened to Flodin???

[JAM]

Yes very good...0,45sec/km faster than Paddon in his first rally with n16...

SS3:

Armindo 1.27s/km slower than Loeb
Paddon 1.46s/km slower than Armindo

[Micke_VOC]

What happened to Flodin???

Maybe gone off ? Seem he pushing more now, if you look on the splits...

[JAM]

Kosciuszko is 2nd on PWRC but has gearbox problems

Flodin rolled but finished the SS3. Flodin didn't heard the pacenote correctly and boooommmmm!

[Krigen]

Stage is on...........................

[N.O.T]

next stage is on.

[Viking]

What happened to Flodin???

+8:02.1!

[Brother John]

no...

Yes ...
The new champion car in 2012. :p :

[darkstar]

on first stage of this morning finally the academy times are coming trough ;)

[dimviii]

SS3:

Armindo 1.27s/km slower than Loeb
Paddon 1.46s/km slower than Armindo

so is it fast for you? just think if we had a good driver with a s2000 car(ie Hanninen) in this rally.S2000 are more than 1sec/km faster than evo/sti.

[wwbroe]

Mikko faster then Seb at second split on stage 4.

[N.O.T]

Yes ...
The new champion car in 2012. :p :

sorry the 2012 championship is going to icecube...maybe 2013....maybe

[N.O.T]

times are weird this year.... but i like them a lot more......

[Krigen]

Who will lead after this stage?? Latvala??

[dimviii]

times are weird this year.... but i like them a lot more......
on Saturday we will see if todays times are weird.

[snellman]

latvala taking this one ;)

[tolis]

latvala taking this one ;)
Maybe Ogier!!!

[Viking]

Kosciuszko is 2nd on PWRC but has gearbox problems

Flodin rolled but finished the SS3. Flodin didn't heard the pacenote correctly and boooommmmm!

Grøndal is 2nd..

[N.O.T]

this years roads are a lot faster....maybe we had too much rain and the roads are swept... hmmmm times are crazy and definately not normal.

[N.O.T]

latvalas pace indicates tactics though.....so this might be it.

[wwbroe]

Loeb fastest trough, JML saying he did it easy on the part he went off two years ago. :D

[jonkka]

final times are missing...

[Krigen]

So Loeb leads the rally now.

[N.O.T]

only on splits....they work fine on rally.cz

use the setup i am using and you will be fine... 1st tab the forum....2nd the splits and 3rd the rally.cz results site....so you don't lose any of the action.

[wwbroe]

Ogier is flying now!!!

[N.O.T]

latvala taking this one ;)

you fail at predictions....

[jonkka]

use the setup i am using and you will be fine... 1st tab the forum....2nd the splits and 3rd the rally.cz results site....so you don't lose any of the action.

Using only keyboard, it's more difficult to switch between tabs than between windows.

[wwbroe]

Ogier is in the lead of the rally

[Hartusvuori]

Loeb fastest trough, JML saying he did it easy on the part he went off two years ago. :D

On NORF's newsletter Miikka Anttila wrote how their Portugal 2010 crash was actually worse compared to the attention it (didn't) get. Anttila wrote that hadn't it been for FIA's demand to make stronger seats after Duval's Japan 2009 shunt, it could've been much worse. Impact with the trees was hard enough to break the steering wheel Latvala was holding while crashing.

[N.O.T]

Using only keyboard, it's more difficult to switch between tabs than between windows.

mice are illegal in finland ??

[Viking]

Petter may benefit from some tactics this afternoon, maybe still podium in sight.

[snellman]

you fail at predictions.... i sure do :D

[Hartusvuori]

Using only keyboard, it's more difficult to switch between tabs than between windows.

Ctrl+tab for switching between tabs. Helppoo.

[jonkka]

mice are illegal in finland ??

Only in plurals... ;) Mouse is casual user's device.

[N.O.T]

Only in plurals... ;) Mouse is casual user's device.

very nice reply...you learn fast.

[jonkka]

Ctrl+tab for switching between tabs. Helppoo.

Yeah but CTRL is in more difficult position compared to ALT (used in combo to switch between windows).
Also, switching between tabs forces you to cycle from one tab to next, you can't preview & choose tab you land into like with switching between windows.

[JAM]

so is it fast for you? just think if we had a good driver with a s2000 car(ie Hanninen) in this rally.S2000 are more than 1sec/km faster than evo/sti.

I don0t know were do you get that ideia...

Portugal 2010:
SS 2 - Hanninen 2,4s/km slower than Sordo
SS 3 - Hanninen 2,0s/km slower than Ogier
SS 4 - Hanninen 1,7s/km slower than Ogier

Portugal 2011:
SS 2 - Armindo 2,11s/km slower than Hirvonen
SS 3 - Armindo 1,27s/km slower than Loeb
SS 4 - Let's wait

[N.O.T]

the billion dollar forbes zurich magazine icecube is slow....why ?

[N.O.T]

RÄIKKÖNEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K. "We are to slow, but we try to improve it." from rally.cz

Icecube speaks words of wisdom...we must listen...and repend...maybe.

[Krigen]

Kimi will hit back in the second loop

[MartijnS]

Breen really fast at the WRC Academy so far.

[N.O.T]

Slowson loses 5th.....awwwwwww.....


fish time now.... see you in the afternoon.

[Micke_VOC]

Top ten WRC Academy SS2:

1. 109 C. BREEN 16:01.7 0.0 0.0
2. 110 Y. LEMES 16:12.1 +10.4 +10.4
3. 101 A. FISHER 16:14.1 +2.0 +12.4
4. 102 J. SUAREZ 16:18.4 +4.3 +16.7
5. 106 B. REEVES 16:25.2 +6.8 +23.5
6. 108 E. KAUR 16:29.4 +4.2 +27.7
7. 100 C. WARD 16:31.6 +2.2 +29.9
8. 111 V. HENRIKSSON 16:36.4 +4.8 +34.7
9. 115 M. TAYLOR 16:37.5 +1.1 +35.8
10. 116 C. RIEDEMANN 16:40.4 +2.9 +38.7

[Englandsfahrer]

icecube is slow....why ?
I guess he can't take the heat?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_LAT11B4ngmQ/TT91fFA5JcI/AAAAAAAAAB0/LR0RoWYQFYQ/s1600/melting-snowman.jpg

[wwbroe]

Van Loon stopped with his Fabia in the stage.

[wwbroe]

Martin Sémerad also stopped in stage, but it looks like he is moving again.

[Brother John]

Nice times for the future championcars MINI John Cooper. :p :

[darkstar]

i had hoped for more from riedemann :( let´s see what stage 3 brings...but breen is amazingly fast, wow!

[dimviii]

I don0t know were do you get that ideia...

Portugal 2010:
SS 2 - Hanninen 2,4s/km slower than Sordo
SS 3 - Hanninen 2,0s/km slower than Ogier
SS 4 - Hanninen 1,7s/km slower than Ogier

Portugal 2011:
SS 2 - Armindo 2,11s/km slower than Hirvonen
SS 3 - Armindo 1,27s/km slower than Loeb
SS 4 - Let's wait

the idea is as you wrote above...
s2000 car about 2 sec/km slower than top wrc
and mini about 2 sec slower from top wrc crew.

edit ss4 more than 2sec/km

[Sulland]

Semerad, is he on DMack ? His tires was very worn, but said he had chosen slicks. Not sure if he was serious, or if the tires was so worn from ss3 that he started 4 on "slicks" ??

[Mintexmemory]

i had hoped for more from riedemann :( let´s see what stage 3 brings...but breen is amazingly fast, wow!
Which is not a surprise to anyone who has actually seen him, he has a great deal of R2 experience and is very quick in S2000 as well (which is what I told this forum when I predicted his excellent performance at Wales Rally GB.) This is definitely one for the future, but keep watching Alistair Fisher :s mokin:
Also Paddon is now nearly 3 mins ahead of Protasov if he does nothing silly this one would appear to be in the bag. Even if Flodin and Grondal hadn't hit trouble they'd have had difficulty staying with him!

[cali]

Yeah but CTRL is in more difficult position compared to ALT (used in combo to switch between windows).
Also, switching between tabs forces you to cycle from one tab to next, you can't preview & choose tab you land into like with switching between windows.

In Firefox you have addon called FoxTabs, it enables you to preview tabs as well.

[darkstar]

Which is not a surprise to anyone who has actually seen him...

yes that´s true, seen some onboards from him, very fast with the s2000. also his first(as far as i know) snow outing in sweden was very impressive.

[HarriK]

:(
Ketomäki has broken rear differential ...

[Hartusvuori]

:(
Ketomäki has broken rear differential ...

Thanks for the info. He seem to have lost a lot of time on each of the morning stage. He's one of the bad luck drivers as well.

[Viking]

Kosciuszko stopped in stage?, PWRC is now a two way battle between Paddon and Grøndal.

[JAM]

the idea is as you wrote above...
s2000 car about 2 sec/km slower than top wrc
and mini about 2 sec slower from top wrc crew.

edit ss4 more than 2sec/km

If you think that ON THESE CONDITIONS this is not fast, than is your opinion that i must respect.

But don't expect that i share your point of view.

These are fast times to a new car very precautious drived. This car is fighting by the second WRC group, and is in front of the third WRC group. David Lapworth told yesterday that Armindo's has 90% of the value of the final WRC car.

If a new car on these conditions would be almost as fast as the top WRC cars on his first rally, then after some rallyes this car should win over everybody. Absolutely non-sense, but ok.

"I'm driving very cautiously as a Group N. On the fast zones i don't have down-force that the WRC cars have" - Armindo before the service park some seconds ago

[Micke_VOC]

What happened with reeves on stage 3 in academy ? Puncture ? He lost 4 minutes..

[Mintexmemory]

Kosciuszko stopped in stage?, PWRC is now a two way battle between Paddon and Grøndal.

WRC site all over the place (SNAFU). Grondalwill have to try very hard to stay with Paddon who has the sort of stages he particularly enjoys.

[BVB Rallying]

http://www.ewrc.cz is down? :(

[dimviii]

If you think that ON THESE CONDITIONS this is not fast, than is your opinion that i must respect.

But don't expect that i share your point of view.

These are fast times to a new car very precautious drived. This car is fighting by the second WRC group, and is in front of the third WRC group. David Lapworth told yesterday that Armindo's has 90% of the value of the final WRC car.

If a new car on these conditions would be almost as fast as the top WRC cars on his first rally, then after some rallyes this car should win over everybody. Absolutely non-sense, but ok.

"I'm driving very cautiously as a Group N. On the fast zones i don't have down-force that the WRC cars have" - Armindo before the service park some seconds ago

till now 2sec/km slower,is at s2000 cars pace period.
i didn t expect something different,but we can t say that mini is already even ok in terms of speed.
Also ds3 and fiesta are new cars,so no excuses about new car for Mini.
Be sure that if Armindo could push more,he would push.For me he is already at his natural place among the others wrc boys.
Wait to see that tomorow or next rallies.

[Viking]

Petter is honoring his many disaster-stricken fans and friends in Japan from the Subaru time.


http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.aftenposten.no%2Fnyheter%2Fspor t%2Fmotorsport%2Farticle4072715.ece%23xtor%3DRSS-3

[JAM]

till now 2sec/km slower,is at s2000 cars pace period.
i didn t expect something different,but we can t say that mini is already even ok in terms of speed.
Also ds3 and fiesta are new cars,so no excuses about new car for Mini.
Be sure that if Armindo could push more,he would push.For me he is already at his natural place among the others wrc boys.
Wait to see that tomorow or next rallies.

I'm not questioning the Armindo's pace, that's not the point.

The point is that a new car, not even finished, with no aerodinamic wing (important on stages with fast zones like these ones) being in the midle of the second WRC group on his first event, is not bad. Is good. You are pointing things as if Mini will be on top on his first rallyes with Meeke and Sordo. It won't be at that place on first rallyes. Don't dream with that.

Ford and Citroen have new cars, is true. But when Prodrive had first test, DS3 already had thousands of km of tests. Ford started later from a base called Fiesta S2000. Mini Started testing in mid September from a complete blank sheet. The test program on the last 2010 months from Ford and Citroen is not even compared to the test program from Prodrive. The tests of Ford and Citroen on to Portugal had days of work. Ford tested, at least, 8 days in Portugal on the last 45 days. And Mini, how many tests had in Portugal since February? The answer is one afternoom at Monday test this week.

Armindo is not a top WRC driver like Hirvonen or Loeb, don't have more than 200km on WRC Mini (started the rali with 50km on this car)

Everyting count.

[kubiczech]

Flodins car after roll:
http://patrikflodinsblogg.blogspot.com/

[dimviii]

I'm not questioning the Armindo's pace, that's not the point.

The point is that a new car, not even finished, with no aerodinamic wing (important on stages with fast zones like these ones) being in the midle of the second WRC group on his first event, is not bad. Is good. You are pointing things as if Mini will be on top on his first rallyes with Meeke and Sordo. It won't be at that place on first rallyes. Don't dream with that.

Ford and Citroen have new cars, is true. But when Prodrive had first test, DS3 already had thousands of km of tests. Ford started later from a base called Fiesta S2000. Mini Started testing in mid September from a complete blank sheet. The test program on the last 2010 months from Ford and Citroen is not even compared to the test program from Prodrive. The tests of Ford and Citroen on to Portugal had days of work. Ford tested, at least, 8 days in Portugal on the last 45 days. And Mini, how many tests had in Portugal since February? The answer is one afternoom at Monday test this week.

Armindo is not a top WRC driver like Hirvonen or Loeb, don't have more than 200km on WRC Mini (started the rali with 50km on this car)

Everyting count.
you are right in everything you wrote.I just wrote all these cause some mates said that minis pace is ok.
If David came to portugal to see minis first rally and is ok to be even at first rally at s2000 car pace,i am really worrying about their targets

[Wasted Talent]

Flodins car after roll:
http://patrikflodinsblogg.blogspot.com/

Looks mainly glass lost - and the time of course. Should be like new later today

WT

[Wasted Talent]

Which is not a surprise to anyone who has actually seen him, he has a great deal of R2 experience and is very quick in S2000 as well (which is what I told this forum when I predicted his excellent performance at Wales Rally GB.) This is definitely one for the future, but keep watching Alistair Fisher :s mokin:
Also Paddon is now nearly 3 mins ahead of Protasov if he does nothing silly this one would appear to be in the bag. Even if Flodin and Grondal hadn't hit trouble they'd have had difficulty staying with him!

Grondal trouble? He's only a handful of seconds behind Paddon

Agree that Craig Breen is impressive, didn't expect him (or any of the other WRC Academy drivers to be so much quicker than the others). is he taking a lot more risks than the others?

WT