National Rally championships News

[electroliquid]

K. Rovanpera win rally Tallinna in Estonia (Latvia championship event), Won last 11 of 13 stages and was 1st, 2nd J. Vorobjovs +1:18:05

[KKSF]

Estonian Tallinna Rally 2016 - 1st. place Kalle Rovanpera
A lot of mistakes, offs, roll, crash.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVdsk6D_48c

[Ucci]

If I'm not mistaken this weekend is going to be held Rallye Princesa de Asturias (CERA).
Can Garcia with a solid result become already a champion?

[dj_masch_hr]

Just 6 more day till closing entries for 43. Croatia rally. More info on crews enetered can be found on official website:

http://rally-croatia.com/

[Rally Power]

If I'm not mistaken this weekend is going to be held Rallye Princesa de Asturias (CERA).
Can Garcia with a solid result become already a champion?

He can, but after a touch in SS3 it won’t be easy. Garcia is now 7th and R5 guys are dominating. Ares (an ex 911 driver) in the Fabia is first, 25s ahead of Vallejo’s (another ex 911 ace) DS Evo and 36s ahead of Monzon’s Fiesta. http://www.fotomotor.es/competicion/1353/liii-rallye-princesa-de-asturias-2016/

[Ucci]

He can, but after a touch in SS3 it won’t be easy. Garcia is now 7th and R5 guys are dominating. Ares (an ex 911 driver) in the Fabia is first, 25s ahead of Vallejo’s (another ex 911 ace) DS Evo and 36s ahead of Monzon’s Fiesta. http://www.fotomotor.es/competicion/1353/liii-rallye-princesa-de-asturias-2016/

Well, this was a bad day for Cristian Garcia. He managed to set just three second best stage times, this is not like him.....
Was there any other reason?

[Mirek]

Pavel Valoušek has become a new Slovak champion after winning the first day classification of Rally Košice. His team decided not to start to the second day. Now it's between Melichárek, Tóth jun. and Kazár to fight for the rally victory. Grzyb lost his last chance for the title with a puncture on SS4.

[Ciko]

Grzyb huge accident on SS10:
https://www.facebook.com/laszlo.forgacs.12/videos/vb.100001799494766/1277710205632284/?type=2
https://www.facebook.com/laszlo.forgacs.12/posts/1277699905633314

[dimviii]

wow pretty hard one...

[garais22]

Russian racer died after frontal crash in rally tests :( http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/6085-testu-laika-saskrienoties-ar-pretim-braucosu-auto-boja-iet-krievu-autosportis/

[Mirek]

They started into the test track from the opposite ends against each other?

[garais22]

They started into the test track from the opposite ends against each other?
Don`t know how it happens - but it was in tests in Russia.. :( Info is that The accident occurred due to the one of the drivers who do something wrong

Google translate:
The tragedy occurred during the testing of Mitsubishi cars. At 15:10 Evgeniy Firsov when you turn on the road leading from the village to the village Vyazovnya Zamoshye collided with a foreign car, which also participated in the test. As explained Tverigrad.ru law enforcement sources, the accident occurred due to the lack of coordination Team Mitsubishi pilot.

[Mirek]

Thank You

[Mirek]

Final results of very well entered Rally Košice, in the end there are mostly Hungarian crews on top of the leaderboard.

1. Melichárek (Fiesta WRC) 1:20:45,6
2. Tóth (208 T16 R5) +39,0 (10 sec penalty)
3. Vincze (Evo IX R4) +41,9
4. Kazár (Fiesta R5) +53,3
5. Velenczei (Evo IX R4) +1:09,0
6. Majerčák (Fiesta R5) +1:32,1
7. Cvrček (Fabia R5) +2:01,6
8. Trencsényi (Fiesta R5) +2:03,1
9. Kukučka (Fabia R5) +2:05,1
10. Kiss (Fiesta R5) +3:10,2

Notable retirements: Valoušek (Fabia R5) - didn't start into second leg, Grzyb (Fiesta R5) - crash, Ondrej (Fabia WRC) - mechanical, Hádik (Fiesta R5) - don't know, Balogh (Evo IX gr.N) - mechanical, Spitzmüller (Evo X R4) - don't know, Ollé (Fiesta S2000) - didn't start...

[Rally Power]

Well, this was a bad day for Cristian Garcia. He managed to set just three second best stage times, this is not like him.....
Was there any other reason?

On first day Garcia made some early mistakes and was also undermined by his start position on the last stage. After losing so much time there was no real need to go flat out, still he made some nice times on last day, finishing 4th. As his main competitors didn’t get points at Asturias, he’ll probably be champion on the next event.

Overall, Aires got CERA’s first win for the Fabia R5. Vallejo was his main competitor but didn’t finish, after brake problems on the DS. Monarri, Garcia’s team mate, finished 2nd, ahead of Monzon (Fiesta). Best GT was Marban in a Lotus and Pernia was best 2wd, in a Clio R3T Cup car.

[garais22]

Unbelievable - Safety in this rally below criticism :(
VIDEO: http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1358-video-ukrainas-rallija-drosibas-limenis-ir-zem-katras-kritikas/

[nafpaktos]

The driver should have pulled over the car.If you are a driver and tolerate those conditions then you are pathetic more than the organizer of the event.

[rallysupportnl]

VIDEO - Hellendoorn Rally 2016!

http://i65.tinypic.com/2hq5wyf.jpg (https://youtu.be/stDDA8eumIc)

Click on the photo or here --> https://youtu.be/stDDA8eumIc

Results Hellendoorn Rally 2016:
1. Kuipers (Ford Fiesta RS WRC)
2. Wevers (Subaru Impreza S14 WRC)
3. van Hoof (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO IV)
4. van den Heuvel (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X)
5. Boon (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X R4)

[JoostSchouten]

It was a great Hellendoorn Rally, for sure the best stages of the Netherlands!
My video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZA9eUBfSvQ

[nafpaktos]

Today a spectator was killed in a greek rally.He has competed as a co-driver in the past and now was sitting in a prohibited area(what an irony!!!!!).The video is JUST before the exit.The co-driver of the crashed crashed car has been admitted to a hospital with broken ribs.

http://www.ewrc-results.com/startlist.php?e=31126&t=Rally-DETH-2016

http://www.zougla.gr/automoto/racing/eliniki-agones/article/skoto8ike-8eatis-sto-rali-de8

[tc10a]

Austrian Rallye Legends 2016 - Admont:

Unfortunately there was a fatal accident at the event. A german driver went off the road with his Audi Quattro and hit a tree. The driver died, the codriver was seriously injured. The rally was stopped after the accident.

Pictures: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_austrian_rallye_legends_2016.html

Some Videos:
https://vimeo.com/183195692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJ1kFTNkgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wli1jX8R97A

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/arboe/bestof2/1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/arboe/bestof/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/arboe/bestof/1.jpg

[Rally Power]

Nice videos of Hellendoorn Rally. Who’s the guy on the Adam?

[MartijnS]

Timo vd Marel.

[OldF]

Austrian Rallye Legends 2016 - Admont:

Unfortunately there was a fatal accident at the event. A german driver went off the road with his Audi Quattro and hit a tree. The driver died, the codriver was seriously injured. The rally was stopped after the accident.

Pictures: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_austrian_rallye_legends_2016.html

Some Videos:
https://vimeo.com/183195692
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJ1kFTNkgI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wli1jX8R97A


What a diversity of cars. Even a Wartburg.:)

[garais22]

Looks like last race for this ''Evo IX'' :(
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/erc/1363-foto-polu-sportists-iznicina-neiksans-rally-sport-komandas-masinu/

[pantealex]

Looks like last race for this ''Evo IX'' :(
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/erc/1363-foto-polu-sportists-iznicina-neiksans-rally-sport-komandas-masinu/

I´m always happy when old mitsu goes away ;)
ofcourse I don´t like drivers get injured.

[Rally Power]

Andreucci first at Roma Rally day one, 0.5s ahead of Scandola!

Garcia won Lanes Rally and become '16 spanish champ with the Evo N+.

[Toox]

Belgian Rally Championship
Round 8 - East Belgian Rally
https://youtu.be/Qx1MFQErPnk

[WUff1]

Rallye Liezen, penultimate run of Austrian championship:

01. Hermann Neubauer/Bernhard Ettel, Ford Fiesta WRC, 1:19:51,2 Std.
02. Gerwald Grössing/Sigi Schwarz, Ford Fiesta R5, + 23,2 Sek.
03. Raimund Baumschlager/Thomas Zeltner, Škoda Fabia R5, + 39,9
04. Simon Wagner/Ursula Mayrhofer, Citroen DS3 R3 Max, + 5:46,1
05. Martin Kalteis/Peter Berger, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII, + 7:17,8

Neubauer already is Austrian champion - congratulation!

Baumschlager with technical problems on last stage fell back from 2nd to 3rd position.

Andreas Aigner made a one-off comeback with a Fabia S2000 by BRR, won 2 stages, but hat to retire. Other retirements were Niki Mayr-Melnhof (Fiesta R5) and Christian Schubert-Mirlik (Fabia R5).

[KKSF]

Tartu rally 2016, Estonia with some crashes and action.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kl53w5iIlVc

[hari]

Video Skoda Rallye Liezen 2016: https://vimeo.com/184201656

Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_skoda_rallye_liezen_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/liezen16gal.jpg

[Rally Power]

Congrats to Garcia, his codriver and team.

You have to go flat out to take 1m on the R5’s!

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videos from https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/?ref=page_internal

[Ucci]

Congrats to Garcia, his codriver and team.

You have to go flat out to take 1m on the R5’s!

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videos from https://www.facebook.com/LaTulaSport.es/?ref=page_internal

Can you tell me more about this info? Was there an event? Results??

[Rally Power]

Yep, Rallye Villa de Lanes. Garcia won and become champ.
Classification link: http://www.masrallye.com/llanes/16/01ClasificacinFinalOficialCampeonatodeEspaa.pdf

The two clips showing Garcia’s amazing speed:
fb.me/14R2xfZFj
fb.me/1xEaEWq5v

[ik1911]

Majerčak - Vejačkova won Croatia Rally 2016 ( European Rally Trophy)






https://www.flickr.com/photos/cc_rc/albums/72157673409927880

[Mirek]

Nothing against Majerčák but it says something about the competitive level if he won.

[Ucci]

Nothing against Majerčák but it says something about the competitive level if he won.

Welcome in Croatian and Slovenian championship....this is our reality....your 2nd class driver is a master here.

[Gams]

Video Rally Croatia including shakedown crash:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbXlJJgMgcw

[garais22]

Petter Solberg 15 year old son Oliver Solberg testing in Latvia
Here is small but fast video from tests:
P.S. People talking that he have small crash in tests (but continue later) and maybe he will start his rally career in Latvia next year like Kalle Rovanpera did it
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/6169-solberga-15-gadus-vecais-dels-latvija-aizvada-rallija-testus/

[hari]

Final results Herbstrallye Dobersberg 2016:
1. Gerald Rigler/Martin Rossgatterer (A/A, Ford Fiesta WRC) 57:12,4 Minuten
2. Maximilian Koch/Lisa Brunthaler (D/D, Skoda Fabia S2000) +40,6 Sekunden
3. Martin Fischerlehner/Tobias Unterweger (A/A, Mitsubishi Carisma GT) +42,9
4. Daniel Fischer/Zoltan Buna (H/H, Subaru Impreza GC8) +1:39,4 Minuten
5. Roman Mühlberger/Stefan Langthaler (A/A, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI) +2:18,7
6. Michael Kogler/Anja Feuchtner (A/D, Citroen DS3 R3) +2:31,0
7. Marvin Lamprecht/Emanuel Mattes (A/A, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III) +4:05,6
8. Gernot Zeiringer/Sabine Thaller (A/A, Opel Adam R2) +4:19,9
9. Steven Schierlinger/Peter Medinger (A/A, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III) +4:26,9
10. Gerald Bachler/Christoph Fischer (A/A, Subaru Impreza WRX STi) +4:36,5


Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_herbstrallye_dobersberg_2016.html


http://www.ir7.at/herbst16.jpg

Video: https://vimeo.com/186153653

[KKSF]

Saaremaa ralli 2016, Estonia - with some action and some guys with new cars (Koitla, Niinemae).
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Ua9T-1fEA

[TWRC]

50th Mecsek Rally (penultimate round of Hungarian Championship):
I was not there, I decided against going after seeing the not too strong entry list and the programme. Hadik won in front of Ranga, who won all the stages on saturday to climb up from 10th to 2nd, finishing on the podium 19 years after the last rally his famous, late father competed on. Crowd favourites were Herczig with Octavia WRC and Bútor with 306 Maxi.
Results:
1. Hadik-Kertész, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo 1:16:55.2
2. Ranga-Czakó, Skoda Fabia R5 +42.8
3. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +53.2
4. Velenczei-Farnadi, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +57.8
5. Matics-Zejda, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:38.1
6. Spitzmüller-Béres, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +1:49.0 (+10s pen.)
7. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:57.4
8. Herczig-Bacigál, Skoda Octavia WRC +2:07.7
9. Trencsényi-Verba, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +2:11.0
10. Rongits-Hannus, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +2:45.3

Notable retirements: ifj.Tóth - accident, Kazár - DNS, Ollé - engine.

[dimviii]

Andolfi 2,7 sec from leader Carron
http://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=27919&s=128693&t=Rallye-International-du-Valais-2016



edit Andolfi crashed according to French forum and blocking the road

http://forum-rallye.com/uploads/monthly_10_2016/post-412-1477130659,2876_thumb.jpg

[dimviii]

https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/14691257_1432974960064104_5414379492922578003_o.jp g

[Ucci]

Gassner sen. has a bit strange way of promoting his new "toy" i20 R5; namely after eight stage at 3- Städte Rally he is exactly 4min behind rally leader F.Kreim.....

[electroliquid]

Rally Latvia 2016, after 1st day, leader K.Rovanpera (Škoda Fabia R5), 2nd N.Gryazin (Škoda Fabia R5) +4,49, 3rd J.Vorobjovs (Mitsubishi Mirage RS Proto) +47,07
Results: http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4&ft=1

[electroliquid]

Rally Latvia 2016:
1. K.Rovanpera/R.Pietilainen - Škoda Fabia R5
2. N.Gryazin/Y.Fedorov - Škoda Fabia R5 +1,22,82
3. J.Vorobjovs/A.Žeibe - Mitsubishi Mirage RS Proto +1,27,73 (From Kalle)
4. M.Svilis/I.Pūkis - Mitsubishi Lancer EVOX (N4) +3,11,47 (From Kalle)
5. A.Ostanins/A.Arafev - Mitsubishi Lancer EVOX +3,47,13 (From Kalle)

A.Lukyanuk as codriver for S.Travnikov - they finished in 6th place o/a
Full results: http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4

[CWJ]

http://www.autorally.lv/files/r140/stewards-decision_No5.jpg

plus 4 Minutes penalty -

N.Gryazin
Y.Fedorov
Škoda Fabia R5

[KKSF]

Rally Latvija 2016 (including Historical Sport cars) was won by K.Rovanpera
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UDbW-B-oQg

[Rally Power]

Congrats to young Kalle, his family and team. There’s a bright future ahead of him!

[faateris]

Rally LATVIA photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[TWRC]

Final round of the Hungarian Championship ended today, amid big controversy as Kazár was excluded, because yesterday he didn't stop at Velenczei's crash (the crew was still in the car, as they were having trouble getting out), then he didn't stop at the next radio point, just at the stage finish. When he received the papers of the exclusion, he tore them up. It is possible he will get some sort of a suspension. Anyways, results:

1. Hadik-Kertész, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo 1:11:21.7
2. Spitzmüller-Béres, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X R4 +41.2
3. Vincze-Kuti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX R4 +1:07.8
4. Bodolai-Molnár, Ford Fiesta R5 +1:31.9
5. Balogh-Holczer, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +1:45.4
6. Kiss-Varga, Ford Fiesta R5 Evo +2:00.9
7. Matics-Zejda, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +3:17.0
8. Lovász-Kürti, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +3:20.5
9. Rongits-Hannus, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +4:04.3
10. Maricsek-Notheisz, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo IX +4:53.1

Notable retirements: ifj.Tóth - crashed radiator on chicane, Ollé - slid off into a valley, Kazár - excluded.

[Ucci]

With all victorious R5 cars around Europe, it is funny (and sad too..) that in Slovenia on the Rally Idrija (final round for the championship) won Rok Turk with P 208 R2!!!
Of course this does not reduce Rok's magnificient drive (I spectaced it), he was already on the first glance very fast, drove very clean lines, made no mistake.....defenitely one of the fastest FWD drivers in this region.

[CWJ]

Where in Europe it is still allowed to drive a 997 GT3 apart from R-GT? I know from CZ and Belgium but what about the rules f.i. in Spain, France, Italy, Hungary, Poland? PN welcome. Thx.

[Rally Power]

In Portugal unrestricted GT’s are allowed but very few drivers rally them, because the main championship is half gravel half tarmac. There’s also a separate GT series, with only 2 guys competing. Gt’s are more popular on the tarmac roads of the Portuguese Madeira islands, and some 911’s drivers are still winning local events.

The same happens at the Canarias islands and on others Spanish regional rally series, but in Spain’s main championship 911’s were forced to use a 40mm restrictor, becoming uncompetitive.

[hari]

Rallye Waldviertel 2016 - Entry list: Final round of the Austrian Rallye Championship 2016 and FIA European Rallye Trophy final event.
https://www.tw-sportsoft.de/Rallye_Waldviertel_2016/TW_ON_Teilnehmerliste.php?AUSWAHL_PRAEDIKAT_ID=30

88 Teams from 16 nations - 12 R5 cars in total.

Leading entries
Botka - Citroen DS3 R5
Gryazin - Skoda Fabia R5
Cerny - Skoda Fabia R5
Baumschlager - Skoda Fabia R5
Mrlik - Skoda Fabia R5
Mayr-Melnhof, Ford Fiesta R5
Trencseny, Ford Fiesta R5
Wagner, Ford Fiesta R5
Al Ketbi, Ford Fiesta R5
Fogasy, Peugeot 208 T16
Bodolai, Ford Fiesta R5
Mayer, Peugeot 208 T16

[Adler]

Where in Europe it is still allowed to drive a 997 GT3 apart from R-GT? I know from CZ and Belgium but what about the rules f.i. in Spain, France, Italy, Hungary, Poland? PN welcome. Thx.
you can add Austria for 2016, don´t know for sure for next year, but I don´t expect a change here, anyway we didn´t see a single GT3 on our stages this year.

[WUff1]

New head of staff for former Jänner Rallye organizers, Rallye Club Mühlviertel. Ferdinand Staber is gone, Robert Zitta (an active Austrian rally driver) took over. Zitta plans a return of Jänner Rallye in 2018, still not sure if as a run of Austrian championship or sprint championship:

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=340&tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=84080&tx_ttnews%5Byear%5D=2016&tx_ttnews%5Bmonth%5D=11&tx_ttnews%5Bday%5D=09

[dimviii]

BILLIOT Jérémie ‏@planetemarcus · 2h2 hours ago

#WRC #CDF Kevin Abbring is confirmed to drive Rallye du Var with i20R5 ➡ http://bit.ly/2fz0LNN

[Mirek]

Interesting battle ongoing on Waldviertel Rallye in Austria: https://rally-base.com/2016/rallye-waldviertel-2016/?ssId=3847

After first leg:

1. Černý (Fabia R5)
2. Schuberth (Fabia R5) +1,0 (who is it?)
3. Baumschlager (Fabia R5) +11,0
4. Mayr-Melnhoff (Fiesta R5) +11,3
5. Botka (DS3 R5) +19,3
6. Al Ketbi (Fiesta R5) +27,6

Gryazin crashed from 4th place in SS4. Sadly SS3 was canceled so they did only one proper stage and two SSS today.

[Adler]

2. Schuberth (Fabia R5) +1,0 (who is it?)

It is Christian Schuberth-Mrlik, (double name after marriage), former Mrlik, quite experienced rallye driver, and winner of rallye waldviertel 2014...
btw it is his home event.

[Mirek]

Waldviertel is finished. Great battle between Baumschlager, Schuberth-Mrlik and Černý till the end but the old fox Baumschlager won again. Černý went off in SS6 loosing half a minute but nevertheless nearly caught Mrlik in the last stage. Gryazin after his yesterday's accident in SSS restarted but except one stage win he was quite a lot off the pace.

1. Baumschlager (Fabia R5) 1:34:05,0
2. Schuberth-Mrlik (Fabia R5) +23,4
3. Černý (Fabia R5) +26,2
4. Botka (DS3 R5) +2:29,6
5. Rongits (Evo IX) +4:26,3
6. Wagner (Fiesta R5) +5:36,3
7. Al Ketbi (Fiesta R5) +5:47,8
8. Trencsenyi (Fiesta R5) +6:17,7
9. Hideg (Evo IX) +7:10,1
10. Stigler (Evo IX) +8:40,7

21. Gryazin (Fabia R5) - superally

Some retirements: Mayr-Melnhof (Fiesta R5, technical), Böhm (Evo IX, no reason), Mayer (208 T16, no reason)

[TWRC]

Waldviertel is finished. Great battle between Baumschlager, Schuberth-Mrlik and Černý till the end but the old fox Baumschlager won again. Černý went off in SS6 loosing half a minute but nevertheless nearly caught Mrlik in the last stage. Gryazin after his yesterday's accident in SSS restarted but except one stage win he was quite a lot off the pace.

1. Baumschlager (Fabia R5) 1:34:05,0
2. Schuberth-Mrlik (Fabia R5) +23,4
3. Černý (Fabia R5) +26,2
4. Botka (DS3 R5) +2:29,6
5. Rongits (Evo IX) +4:26,3
6. Wagner (Fiesta R5) +5:36,3
7. Al Ketbi (Fiesta R5) +5:47,8
8. Trencsenyi (Fiesta R5) +6:17,7
9. Hideg (Evo IX) +7:10,1
10. Stigler (Evo IX) +8:40,7

21. Gryazin (Fabia R5) - superally

Some retirements: Mayr-Melnhof (Fiesta R5, technical), Böhm (Evo IX, no reason), Mayer (208 T16, no reason)
Mayer retired with fuel pump problems.

[hari]

Gallery Rallye Waldviertel 2016:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rallye_waldviertel_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/15.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/3.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/4.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/7.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2016/w4/bestof/20.jpg

[CivEngine]

In Spain took place 'Rally Comunidad de Madrid', the last one of this year national competition. The victory came to Cristian García (national champion) after close battle with Sergio Vallejo (Citroën DS3 R5) and Nil Solans (Peugeot 208 R5). It has to be taken into account that the roads were extremely fast, with an average speed of 115/120km/h, so that fits pretty good with the García's Evo X.

[WUff1]

Mayer retired with fuel pump problems.

Another driver, who has no luck with Peugeot 208 T16. He did 10 rallyes in 2016 and finished only 2 (Arctic Lappland and Sweden), none of the 8 rallyes after Sweden:

http://ewrc-results.com/profile.php?p=10994&t=Walter-Mayer

[dupanton]

Is there a reason there were so many foreign drivers in Waldviertel Rallye?

[Mirek]

There has always been many foreign drivers there mainly from Hungary and Czech republic ;)

I think it's because it's a great gravel event very close from everywhere around the Austrian/Hungarian/Czech/Slovak corner.

[PLuto]

There has always been many foreign drivers there mainly from Hungary and Czech republic ;)

I think it's because it's a great gravel event very close from everywhere around the Austrian/Hungarian/Czech/Slovak corner.

I think it is because great event, very close to the border and also good date as there is not so many rallies in November. So lot of crews is going there to make it as a last "normal" rally of the season before shows.

[Adler]

Rallye waldiertel was the final of the european rallye trophy this year, i think that was the main reason, the stages are very challenging, specially because of the traditional slippery, muddy, mixed tarmac and gravel roads in late fall.

I was competing there twice as codriver and i will keep it forever in my mind as extraordinary experience.

[Mirek]

I think that most of the foreign crews don't care about ERT.

[Adler]

I think that most of the foreign crews don't care about ERT.

Some teams in leading positions in the different FIA zones took part, so I think it did matter for them.

[hari]

Video Rallye Waldviertel 2016 - 11 Min:
https://vimeo.com/192346160

http://www.ir7.at/w4vid16.jpg (https://vimeo.com/192346160)

[Mirek]

Another nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFJMlo2Y488

[dupanton]

I think that most of the foreign crews don't care about ERT.

What is ERT?? ERT, TER, ERC, very confusing...

[Mirek]

European Rally Trophy. Those zones about which nearly nobody cares, You know what I mean? We've had loads of zone champions in CZ simply because large part of central European zone events are part of MČR. Normally they did one or two extra events abroad and took some money for representation from ASN...

[dupanton]

European Rally Trophy. Those zones about which nearly nobody cares, You know what I mean? We've had loads of zone champions in CZ simply because large part of central European zone events are part of MČR. Normally they did one or two extra events abroad and took some money for representation from ASN...

No, actually I never heard about it :o

[Mirek]

Aha :) It's been existing since medieval age I guess :)

[dupanton]

Aha :) It's been existing since medieval age I guess :)

Just searched it on the internet, and yes, it exist since 2012 (almost medieval age) ;)

[PLuto]

Just searched it on the internet, and yes, it exist since 2012 (almost medieval age) ;)

Before it was called European Rally Cup and before European Rally Championship :)

[Mirek]

Yes, it's been around under various names for decades.

[dimviii]

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

21 year old Chris Brugger will drive German championship in Fiesta R5 under the wings of Armin Schwarz. Brugger will also start #ArcticRally

Teemu / Rallirinki ‏@HartusvuoriWRC ·

"I was driving harvester on field when Bosse called asking do I have time. I parked right there." @HuttunenRacing
http://www.rallism.fi/content/fi/1/264308/20068/Jari%20Huttunen%20valittiin%20Marcus%20Gr%F6nholmi n%20GRX%20Managementin%20kuljettajaksi.html …

[dimviii]

Karlip ‏@Karlip1 15h
15 hours ago

Full article tomorrow: Georg Gross returns to rallying in a #WRC car, doing the Estonian Rally Champs. Raigo Mõlder to co-drive.

[KKSF]

Rally season 2016 action review from KKSF HD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Vi3Z_8d0D4

[dimviii]

Karlip ‏@Karlip1 15h
15 hours ago

Full article tomorrow: Georg Gross returns to rallying in a #WRC car, doing the Estonian Rally Champs. Raigo Mõlder to co-drive.

Karlip ‏@Karlip1 3h
3 hours ago

"I'm glad to say that the car, which I drove in the 2016 #WRC, is now on it's way to Estonia." @OttTanak on Georg Gross's new car.

[garais22]

Petter Solber son Oliver Solberg (15) next year will start his rally career in Latvia, like Kalle Rovanpera 4 years ago when he was 12 years old

http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijsprints/6424-petera-solberga-15-gadus-vecais-dels-nakamgad-startes-latvijas-rallija-cempionata/

[JUF]

Does anybody know how Zoltán Bessenyey feels after his heavy crash? I haven´t heard anything of him for a long time... I hope he´s fine!?

[PLuto]

Does anybody know how Zoltán Bessenyey feels after his heavy crash? I haven´t heard anything of him for a long time... I hope he´s fine!?

He was celebrating birthday few days ago.

https://scontent.fmad3-4.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15894982_10154627505731917_8087792488183841059_n.j pg?oh=6da54c397148f480a0c3cfbcd6ea3cd2&oe=5913ED43

[electroliquid]

Young Kalle Rovanpera wins all 3 today stages in rally Alūksne and he is ahead of N.Gryazin http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4

Sirmacis in 5th with new codriver.

Question to our members from Estonia - Alūksne also part of Estonian rally championship, and why there are missing fast Estonians? Where Korge, Aus, Niinemae, Plangi, Koitla, Kaur?

[EstWRC]

Kaur wants to move on and his plan is to compete in WRC2 at five rallies, depending on budget. Plangi has same kind of plan. Niinemäe maybe in wrc in junior class or dmack trophy.

Budget, budget and budget is the main reason and even we dont know what plans these other drivers have.

[KKS]

Stage3 is stopped, any reasons why?
And maybe it some local rally radio or so? Where you get news about this rally?

[KKS]

Young Kalle Rovanpera wins all 3 today stages in rally Alūksne and he is ahead of N.Gryazin http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4

And even younger Oliver will start tomorrow at rallysprint.
Oliver's dad are called - Solberg :)

[electroliquid]

Oliver's dad are called - Solberg :)

Solberg. Petter Solberg.

[dimviii]

Petter Solberg RX ‏@Petter_Solberg 37m
37 minutes ago

First rally stage win for my son @OliverSolberg01 in @RallyAluksne
Follow results on Autorally.lv
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2IIlL8XgAQXa7w.jpg

[electroliquid]

Rovanpera win all stages and takes victroy O/A
Solberg is 8th in rallysprint (2nd 2WD rallysprint)

http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4

[dimviii]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2JmgPrXgAEoZFi.jpg

[nafpaktos]

https://www.facebook.com/eyvind.brynildsen.3/videos/1077935985667614/?pnref=story

[KKS]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07NqW_egJHo - this is 6th video magazine. Search 1-5 at same youtube channel

And I impressed how this guys are working! Stage finished and after 2-3h we have all summary video on youtube! Amazing!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vZA_e2ykpw - Oliver Solberg

[dimviii]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vZA_e2ykpw - Oliver Solberg
impressive talking from young Oliver.

[KKSF]

Rally Alūksne 2017 in Latvia was first rally competition for P.Solbergs son Oliver (Nr.73). He finished and with respectable result - lost only about 2-3 sec. on km to best 2WD driver in this competition M.Sesks.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hxQQaVPVcc

[garais22]

Some big crashes in rally Alūksne
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1443-foto-rally-aluksne-pirmaja-diena-vairakas-smagas-avarijas/
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1444-foto-subaru-impreza-automasinas-iespaidiga-avarija-aluksnes-rallija/

[evoIX]

Grossing and Neubauer this year again with wrc cars in ORM?

[Essaj]

Georg Gross will start Rally Sarma with his new Fiesta WRC.

[WUff1]

Grossing and Neubauer this year again with wrc cars in ORM?

Maybe others can tell, but no official news about them so far.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Grossing and Neubauer this year again with wrc cars in ORM?
Neubauer tries or at least tried to sell his Fiesta on rallycarsforsale.

[WUff1]

Grossing and Neubauer this year again with wrc cars in ORM?

http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/news/2017/Rallye-%25C3%2596M/Rallye-EXKLUSIV-Jngste-Gerichte-aus-der-Gerchtekche-208913.html

Grössing for sure, Neubauer´s team also bought a R5 car, which one is unknown.

[electroliquid]

D.Butvilas/R.Vaitkevičius Škoda Fabia R5 wins 1st Lithuania rally championship event "Halls Winter rally 2017"
J. Orsak 6th, A.Tlustak 9th.
Full results: http://www.autorally.lt/?m=4&ft=1
Some photos http://www.facebook.com/pg/sgrallyphotography/photos/?tab=album&album_id=1045335645566609

[KKSF]

Halls Winter Rally 2017, Lithuania
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaM_YOVc7P0

[dimviii]

Loeb at rally Chablais at 1-3 June with 208 r5 from Loeb racing

http://planetemarcus.com/sebastien-loeb-au-rallye-du-chablais-2017/

[sindroms]

These guys are good at finding spots like this. Footage from 2016 - Latvian rally & rallysprint, Lithuanian rally championship, ERC Liepaja.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq7P_rndoaM

[garais22]

Rally Sarma will be fun :))
https://www.facebook.com/Go4speed.lv/posts/1504223216277460

[electroliquid]

K.Rovanpera won all stages of rally Sarma 2017 38.35 sec ahead of N.Gryazin, G.Gross 3rd.
http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4&ft=1

[KKSF]

Rally Sarma 2017, Latvia
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKF56UHNHik

[sindroms]

Strange accident for Pieniazek/Mazur in Rally "Sarma" - http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1476-video-foto-polu-sportists-liela-atruma-ielido-kokos/
Talked to co-driver on crash site, first impression was that something went wrong with engine. Then appeared version that wheel broked off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoh6ihPDo0

[dbrito26]

Strange accident for Pieniazek/Mazur in Rally "Sarma" - http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1476-video-foto-polu-sportists-liela-atruma-ielido-kokos/
Talked to co-driver on crash site, first impression was that something went wrong with engine. Then appeared version that wheel broked off.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoh6ihPDo0
God, that tree hit scary me out.

Sent from my VFD 600 using Tapatalk

[faateris]

Photos from previous round of Latvian chp. - Rally Aluksne - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[KKSF]

Rally Sarma 2017 Special - Audi Quattro A2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZzSttOMrXw (sound - 00:43, driving 00:50)

[faateris]

Rally SARMA photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[WUff1]

Austria: No full championship 2017 for Raimund Baumschlager, maybe even no start at all. He says too many commitments of BRR (Griebel in ERC, Kreim and Dinkel in Germany, Herczig in Hungary, some starts of Tamara Molinaro):

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/artikel/d/2017/02/16/oerm-ohne-raimund-baumschlager/

[WUff1]

3 times Austrian 2wd champion (2013, 2014, 2015) Michael Böhm stops rallying. Reasons maybe a bit similar to Baumschlager, he drove a weaker car than his rivals last year (Adam R2 against R3 cars). Money seems to play a role, too.

[evoIX]

3 times Austrian 2wd champion (2013, 2014, 2015) Michael Böhm stops rallying. Reasons maybe a bit similar to Baumschlager, he drove a weaker car than his rivals last year (Adam R2 against R3 cars). Money seems to play a role, too.
Without two great rally drivers in the Austrian championship this year....damage

[Adler]

Austrian news: ÖRM in Fiesta WRC confirmed for Neubauer and Grössing, Neubauer additional plans 1 WRC Rallye. Gerald Rigler in brand new Fiesta R5 (also Zellhofer racing like Neubauer) in ARC (Rallye challenge) and some ÖRM Rallyes...

Still waiting for Baumschlagers decision and car for Mayr Melnhof (rumours say possibly WRC)

[evoIX]

The entries for Rallye Rebenland are closed, any info about Baumschlager?

[dimviii]

I dreamed of it, I did it! I took the wheel of the Peugeot 306 MAXI in order to participate in the 29th Rally of Haute Provence with Sébastien Loeb Racing Team. In today's test, I took a lot of fun at the wheel of this mythical car! Enjoy this video

https://www.facebook.com/rallyparadise/posts/1271365706288190

[hari]

ARC Schneerosen Rallye 2017 final results:
01. Roman Odlozilik/Martin Turecek (CZ/CZ) Ford Fiesta R5 57:31,0 Minuten
02. Gerald Rigler/Martin Rossgatterer (A/A) Ford Fiesta R5 Evo + 59,8 Sek
03. Roman Mühlberger/Katja Totschnig (A/Che) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI +1:22,2 Min
04. Daniel Fischer/Zoltan Buna (H/H) Subaru Impreza GC8 +3:47,1
05. Karoly Kocsomba/Peter Bardos (H/H) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III +3:52,7
06. Michael Kogler/Jennifer Hofstädter (A/A) Citroen DS3 R3max +4:01,6
07. Marvin Lamprecht/Eva Kollmann (A/A) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII +4:37,3
08. Simon Wagner/Gerald Winter (A/Zyp) Peugeot 208 R2 +4:41,7
09. Gerald Bachler/Christoph Wögerer (A/A) Subaru Impreza WRX STi +5:03,7
10. Markus Stockinger/Johann Rainer Moser (A/A) Mazda 323 GT-R +5:18,9


Some images:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_schneerosen_rallye_2017.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/22.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/9.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/5.jpg

[Mirek]

Results of first event of German championship, the Saarland Pfalz Rallye. Very good compeititon compared to last German seasons!

1. Kreim (Fabia R5) 1:17:35,9
2. Riedemann (208 T16 R5) +15,7
3. Mandel (Fiesta R5) +44,2 (autocross guy, is he doing more in DRM?)
4. S. Wallenwein (Fabia R5) +45,3
5. Dinkel (Fabia R5) +46,9
6. von Thurn und Taxis (Fabia R5) +2:49,0 (going to drive ERC)
7. Brugger (Fiesta R5) +2:49,5
8. Lim (I20 R5) +4:50,8 (the new Hyundai works guy from Korea)
9. Knof (207 S2000) +4:51,3
10. Huttunen (Adam R2) +5:16,6

[Mirek]

Hari, interesting tyres on the car of Odložilík... it's snow tyres normally used on Monte Carlo I think.

[hari]

Hari, interesting tyres on the car of Odložilík... it's snow tyres normally used on Monte Carlo I think.

Yes this was a 2.3km gravel superspecial where he used this tyres.

[janvanvurpa]

ARC Schneerosen Rallye 2017 final results:
01. Roman Odlozilik/Martin Turecek (CZ/CZ) Ford Fiesta R5 57:31,0 Minuten
02. Gerald Rigler/Martin Rossgatterer (A/A) Ford Fiesta R5 Evo + 59,8 Sek
03. Roman Mühlberger/Katja Totschnig (A/Che) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI +1:22,2 Min
04. Daniel Fischer/Zoltan Buna (H/H) Subaru Impreza GC8 +3:47,1
05. Karoly Kocsomba/Peter Bardos (H/H) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo III +3:52,7
06. Michael Kogler/Jennifer Hofstädter (A/A) Citroen DS3 R3max +4:01,6
07. Marvin Lamprecht/Eva Kollmann (A/A) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII +4:37,3
08. Simon Wagner/Gerald Winter (A/Zyp) Peugeot 208 R2 +4:41,7
09. Gerald Bachler/Christoph Wögerer (A/A) Subaru Impreza WRX STi +5:03,7
10. Markus Stockinger/Johann Rainer Moser (A/A) Mazda 323 GT-R +5:18,9


Some images:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_schneerosen_rallye_2017.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/22.jpghttp://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/9.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/schneerosen/5.jpg

Du Hari, what's going on there in those photos? I saw 4-5 really nice cars: Volvo 240s

Do you have link to results for the class that they are in? Do you know what class? So encouraging to see the lessons proven in Sweden and Finland begin to spread...

[Mirek]

Jan, that's Austrian Rally Challenge event (second league in Austria). There are plenty of old Volvos, BMWs etc. in Austria, mostly being used on gravel events I think.

[hari]

Du Hari, what's going on there in those photos? I saw 4-5 really nice cars: Volvo 240s
Do you have link to results for the class that they are in? Do you know what class? So encouraging to see the lessons proven in Sweden and Finland begin to spread...

There was some Volvo Cup for many years in Austria, but in the last few years it wasnt continued.
This year it looks like it could be reactivated - It was six cars at this event.

Results can be found here: http://rallye-daten.de/
Classes 6.5, 6.6, 6.3

[janvanvurpa]

There was some Volvo Cup for many years in Austria, but in the last few years it wasnt continued.
This year it looks like it could be reactivated - It was six cars at this event.

Results can be found here: http://rallye-daten.de/
Classes 6.5, 6.6, 6.3


Oh historic class..Seems they do pretty good.

I wonder if any of those guys dream about the Swedish Grupp H or Finnish F-cup with the best Volvos in the world and such freedom.. I am North America's biggest promoter of 240 Volvo as "the Ford Escort for North America"...bigger but that works better with our bigger trees, and hence bigger trucks which need bigger roads to get the trees out..

Cool photos.

[RS]

Quentin Giordano with a Sebastian Loeb Racing Fabia R5 in the French Championship this year. Funny to see Loeb running a Skoda after his career long association with PSA.

[Mirek]

Video from Giordano's test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8rHuMXa4_Q

[dodge33cymru]

Quentin Giordano with a Sebastian Loeb Racing Fabia R5 in the French Championship this year. Funny to see Loeb running a Skoda after his career long association with PSA.
His own team have run Audis and McLarens in sportscar racing, but agree that does seem strange. Especially when his team definitely have access to a T16.

[mousti]

His own team have run Audis and McLarens in sportscar racing, but agree that does seem strange. Especially when his team definitely have access to a T16.

Those T16's are probably owned by SLR itself, that Fabia R5 is I think one that Giordano bought for himself but decided to let it run by SLR because he used to have the service from them. He was probably sick of it with all the problems on it allthough he crashed it sometimes too :p

[TWRC]

Sándor Ollé has received his Fabia R5, and he will do the entire Hungarian Championship with it. Balogh is also swithing from his Evo IX to a Fabia R5 (chassis 133 if my infos are correct). If everybody pulls it off, there will be between 15-20 R5s at most rounds this year. Also, there will be a 208 R2 Cup, the first one make cup here in almost a decade! So at the moment most things are looking good, let's hope it stays this way for the remainder of the saison.

[WUff1]

Sándor Ollé has received his Fabia R5, and he will do the entire Hungarian Championship with it. Balogh is also swithing from his Evo IX to a Fabia R5 (chassis 133 if my infos are correct). If everybody pulls it off, there will be between 15-20 R5s at most rounds this year. Also, there will be a 208 R2 Cup, the first one make cup here in almost a decade! So at the moment most things are looking good, let's hope it stays this way for the remainder of the saison.

Herczig is back with BRR I read?

[TWRC]

Herczig is back with BRR I read?
Yes, and with strong financial background still. They started preparing for the new season way earlier than the others could, so I expect them to be still the team to beat.

[hari]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye 2017 (Austria):
89 Teams total - 11 R5, 3 WRC
http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Hermann Neubauer Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerhard Aigner Ford Fiesta WRC
Raimund Baumschlager Skoda Fabia R5
Andreas Aigner Skoda Fabia R5
Marijan Griebel Skoda Fabia R5
Christian Schuberth-Mrlik Skoda Fabia R5
Thomas Wallenwein Skoda Fabia R5
Niki Mayr-Melnhof Ford Fiesta R5
Gerald Rigler Ford Fiesta R5
Vlastimil Majercak Ford Fiesta R5
Andras Hadik Ford Fiesta R5
Laszlo Bodolai Ford Fiesta R5
Walter Mayer Peugeot 208 T16 R5

[dimviii]

Aigner Andreas with r5,nice.

[Mirek]

Very nice list!

[Jarek Z]

Great to see Andreas Aigner back in action! Good luck to him! :)

[Tom206wrc]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye 2017 (Austria):
89 Teams total - 11 R5, 3 WRC
http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Hermann Neubauer Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerhard Aigner Ford Fiesta WRC
Raimund Baumschlager Skoda Fabia R5
Andreas Aigner Skoda Fabia R5
Marijan Griebel Skoda Fabia R5
Christian Schuberth-Mrlik Skoda Fabia R5
Thomas Wallenwein Skoda Fabia R5
Niki Mayr-Melnhof Ford Fiesta R5
Gerald Rigler Ford Fiesta R5
Vlastimil Majercak Ford Fiesta R5
Andras Hadik Ford Fiesta R5
Laszlo Bodolai Ford Fiesta R5
Walter Mayer Peugeot 208 T16 R5



I also discovered Mark Wallenwein will drive a 208 R2 this week-end in Tahko Ralli(Finland) :confused:

[Mirek]

Slovak gentleman driver Igor Drotár switched from Fabia WRC to newly built Fabia R5. According to his words it's for the first time in his looooong career that he drives a car built in the same year :)

[JUF]

I also discovered Mark Wallenwein will drive a 208 R2 this week-end in Tahko Ralli(Finland) :confused:
No problem about that. racepro is a big team and they can easily manage two rallies at the same weekend. So Thomas drives in Austria and his son in Finland...

[PLuto]

No problem about that. racepro is a big team and they can easily manage two rallies at the same weekend. So Thomas drives in Austria and his son in Finland...

But his son is starting in Austria too. With DS3 R3T ;)

[JUF]

But his son is starting in Austria too. With DS3 R3T ;)
Oh, thanks. I didn´t notice that. But I noticed now that Rebenland is one week later than Tahko ;).

[PLuto]

Oh, thanks. I didn´t notice that. But I noticed now that Rebenland is one week later than Tahko ;).

I was talking to Mark today. Asking if he will continue in his progress from R2 through R3 ;)

[hari]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye 2017 (Austria):
89 Teams total - 11 R5, 3 WRC
http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Hermann Neubauer Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerhard Aigner Ford Fiesta WRC
Raimund Baumschlager Skoda Fabia R5
Andreas Aigner Skoda Fabia R5
Marijan Griebel Skoda Fabia R5
Christian Schuberth-Mrlik Skoda Fabia R5
Thomas Wallenwein Skoda Fabia R5
Niki Mayr-Melnhof Ford Fiesta R5
Gerald Rigler Ford Fiesta R5
Vlastimil Majercak Ford Fiesta R5
Andras Hadik Ford Fiesta R5
Laszlo Bodolai Ford Fiesta R5
Walter Mayer Peugeot 208 T16 R5

One more R5 at Rebenland Rallye - late entry Pal Lovasz - Hyundai i20 R5

[eddy707]

Sad News according to http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/6659-miris-kurzemes-rallija-avariju-piedzivojusais-ukrainu-sportists-kocmars/
Ukrainian driver Yuriy Kochmar has passed away in hospital after his very heavy crash in Latvian rally Kurzeme 2015 from which he never recovered.

[Ucci]

Have we mentioned here:Garcia changed from evoX N+ to Fiesta R5.

[Rally Power]

Have we mentioned here:Garcia changed from evoX N+ to Fiesta R5.

Mitsubishi importer leaved the series and a last minute deal was made to get Garcia on a Fiesta. Like the Evo, it’ll also be run by RMC (that was already developing a Mirage N+, based on a Dytko proto). Top contenders are Hyundai guys, Aries and Pernia, Burgo in a Skoda and Vallejo using a new DS3 unit.

[Ucci]

Mitsubishi importer leaved the series and a last minute deal was made to get Garcia on a Fiesta. Like the Evo, it’ll also be run by RMC (that was already developing a Mirage N+, based on a Dytko proto). Top contenders are Hyundai guys, Aries and Pernia, Burgo in a Skoda and Vallejo using a new DS3 unit.

You don't count Garcia between top contenders??

[Rally Power]

You don't count Garcia between top contenders??

You got it wrong mate. I’ve mentioned those names as top contenders alongside Garcia.

[Jarek Z]

Baumschlager enters Austrian championship with Volkswagen Polo WRC. What will Neubauer do now? ;)
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/artikel/d/2017/03/17/baumschlager-jubilaeumssaison-auch-im-polo-wrc/

[CWJ]

The meaning is he starts with R5 Fabia and wants to use a Polo WRC in selected rounds. I see no changes for Neubauer, he just keeps going.

[WUff1]

The meaning is he starts with R5 Fabia and wants to use a Polo WRC in selected rounds. I see no changes for Neubauer, he just keeps going.

That´s just talk in my opinion. When Polo WRC is available, he´ll do all rounds with it. Baumschlager always hides his plans and tells some fairy tales in interviews, two weeks ago he told about no or just a few starts in Austrian championship because of a tight schedule of BRR.

Neubauer will have no chance against him - an old Fiesta WRC with 2014 or 2013 spec (?) against a Polo WRC. Of course Neubauer keeps going, what else shoud he do.

Meanwhile, live results of Rebenland Rallye, first run of Austrian championship:

http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/index.htm

[Mirek]

So far Aigner going very fast!

[Jarek Z]

So far Aigner going very fast!

Was Aigner really so fast? He couldn't even keep the pace of the 60-year old Baumschlager. Anyway Aigner went off the road on SS7 while being fourth overall. Neubauer and his Fiesta WRC lead the rally after 7 stages:
http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/ss7.htm

[dimviii]

Aigner was fast but unstable.Looking at his times he must had some kind of problem at ss5-6

[Jarek Z]

Good video from day one, courtesy of Harald Illmer:
https://vimeo.com/208880394

[Mirek]

Was Aigner really so fast? He couldn't even keep the pace of the 60-year old Baumschlager. Anyway Aigner went off the road on SS7 while being fourth overall. Neubauer and his Fiesta WRC lead the rally after 7 stages:
http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/ss7.htm

When I wrote that he was on the same pace as Grössing and faster than Baumschlager.

[Adler]

Judging from yesterday stages I can say it was just a matter of time till Aigner will go off road, imo he was clearly overdriving the car, on stage 4 he had a spin...
Neubauer very clean, he clearly controls the field, there are reserves obviosly. He said in case his opponents will upgrade (obviosly talking about Baumschlager) he has 2 upgrade stages for his Fiesta in spare.

Nice surprise for me is Griebel, he adopt quickly to the very technical stages in Rebenland and was faster in the night stages than old Fox Baumschlager.
Mayr-Melnhof seems to try a cleaner style this year, but not so fast yet, no mistakes so far though...

[Mirek]

Was SS12 canceled?

Anyway Neubauer out with technical problems. Now a tight battle between Grössing and Baumschlager but Griebel set a stuning time on SS13 and who knows, maybe he can get close as well.

[dimviii]

Sierra Morena till ss8

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7NWfCCX0AAenBK.jpg

[Mirek]

Griebel out with technical problems, 1,5 seconds between Grössing and Baumschlager before the last stage.

[Mirek]

Sierra Morena in finish:

1. García Christian (Fiesta R5) 2:00:36,1
2. Pernía (i20 R5) +8,7
3. Áres (i20 R5) +29,0
4. Burgo (Fabia R5) +1:41,6
5. Vallejo (DS3 R5) +2:09,3
6. Vinyes (Swift N5) +3:38,3
7. Aznar (997 GT3) +6:20,9
8. García Cristobal (Fiesta R5) +6:42,9
9. Díaz (Swift S1600) +7:20,7
10. Léal (Fiesta R2) +9:17,9

[Jarek Z]

1,5 seconds between Grössing and Baumschlager before the last stage.

And Baumschlager wins it once again! He is 14 seconds faster than Grossing after the last stage. Now he can only laugh at the untalented drivers of the WRC cars. Congratulations!

http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/ss16.htm

[Adler]

Baumschlager won powerstage and rebenland rallye....grössing false start and 10sec penalty...neubauer ripped a wheel off...

[dimviii]

Sierra Morena in finish:

1. García Christian (Fiesta R5) 2:00:36,1
2. Pernía (i20 R5) +8,7
3. Áres (i20 R5) +29,0
4. Burgo (Fabia R5) +1:41,6
5. Vallejo (DS3 R5) +2:09,3
6. Vinyes (Swift N5) +3:38,3
7. Aznar (997 GT3) +6:20,9
8. García Cristobal (Fiesta R5) +6:42,9
9. Díaz (Swift S1600) +7:20,7
10. Léal (Fiesta R2) +9:17,9

so Burgo and Vallejo no more wins with equal machinery.
Hope some fellows understand that rallies are for those they drive fast,and not for those who choose more powerfull cars.

[WUff1]

And Baumschlager wins it once again! He is 14 seconds faster than Grossing after the last stage. Now he can only laugh at the untalented drivers of the WRC cars. Congratulations!

http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/ss16.htm

Congrats to Baumschlager for winning Austrian championship 2017 - with Polo WRC serviced by VW Motorsport no one has a chance against him.

[Jarek Z]

Congrats to Baumschlager for winning Austrian championship 2017 - with Polo WRC serviced by VW Motorsport no one has a chance against him.

Yes, congratulations! He won Austrian championship with so many various cars - I remember Ford Escort, Mitsubishi Lancer, Skoda Fabia, so why not VW Polo?

[Mirek]

Congrats to Baumschlager for winning Austrian championship 2017 - with Polo WRC serviced by VW Motorsport no one has a chance against him.

Not feeling sorry for Neubauer at all. It was him who pushed for the WRC cars to be allowed. Now it backfired, at least he could enjoy one title in 2016.

[Jarek Z]

Not feeling sorry for Neubauer at all. It was him who pushed for the WRC cars to be allowed. Now it backfired, at least he could enjoy one title in 2016.

Exactly. He is going to die from his own sword.

[Ucci]

Congrats to Garcia. New car and a victory already in the first rally.

[Ucci]

so Burgo and Vallejo no more wins with equal machinery.
Hope some fellows understand that rallies are for those they drive fast,and not for those who choose more powerfull cars.
Yes, and they just sat in the 911, smoke a cigar, car did everything alone, lol....

[dimviii]

https://mamantoussatoussa.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/eddy.gif?w=620.gif

[rallysupportnl]

Zuiderzee Rally 2017, 1st round Dutch Championship.

Final results:
1. Jasper van den Heuvel (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X R4)
2. Hermen Kobus (Skoda Fabia R5) +25.2
3. Christian Riedemann (Peugeot 208 T16) +38.3
4. Jim van den Heuvel (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X) +1:32.3
5. Steen Andersen (Mitsubishi Lancer EVO X R4) +3:46.0

VIDEO highlights:
http://i68.tinypic.com/23h7nzs.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMhbpun7AoU)

Click on the photo or here --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMhbpun7AoU

[Mirek]

I can see different results on rallytiming.nl. What is right? There Kobus won ahead of Riedemann and Van den Heuvels.

http://rallytiming.nl/index.php?p=421&r=1701&w=13

[MartijnS]

1 min penalty for vd Heuvel. Checked in too early at some time control.

[hari]

Gallery Rebenland Rallye 2017:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rebenland_rallye_2017.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/4.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/5.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/6.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/rebenland/7.jpg

[Rally Power]

Nice weekend for the sport. Just like WRC and ERC, rally series around Europe are really worthy to follow this year!

[Jarek Z]

Nice weekend for the sport. Just like WRC and ERC, rally series around Europe are really worthy to follow this year!

Yes, indeed. I have the impression that something has improved in the rally world this year. The beginning of the year seems promising.

[Rally Power]

so Burgo and Vallejo no more wins with equal machinery.
Hope some fellows understand that rallies are for those they drive fast,and not for those who choose more powerfull cars.

I enjoy most of your posts and respect your views dimviii, but there’s a thin line between being stubborn and being stupid: I regret to say that on this Porsche driver’s subject you are clearly crossing that line.

Facts:
1. Despite being used by more than a dozen different drivers since 2008, only 3 drivers were able to win Spanish championship (CERA) events on a 911: Vallejo (20), Fuster (13) and Ares (3).
2. Fuster was 3 times CERA champion on a 911 (’11, ’12 and ’15), Vallejo twice (’09 and ’14).
3. Prior to his titles on a 911, Fuster was champion on a FWD car (Saxo KC in ’03) and on a 4WD car (Punto S2000 in ’07). His CERA’s rally winning score is one of the best in the series history.
4. In 2014 Fuster entered the CERA on a Fiesta R5. He managed to win 4 rallies, the same number Vallejo won on his 911, and fight for the title till the last rally.
5. He returned to a 911 in 2015 because he wasn’t able to get a full budget to run a R5 car (R5’s were 25% to 40% more expensive to run than a 911 on a CERA season).
6. All Vallejo CERA’s wins were in 911’s, the car he drove from 2008 to 2014. Still, a few years back he was also a top contender on FWD KC1600/S1600 cars, managing to become an official driver for FIAT and Renault importers teams.
7. Despite some events on S2000 cars and last season on a DS3 R5, Vallejo was never able to fight for a win on a CERA rally with a 4WD car.
8. Ares was the CERA revelation in 2015. He managed to win 3 events on a 911 against Fuster, Vallejo and all the other 911 drivers.
9. Last year, on his 3dr outing in a R5 car, he won CERA’s Rally Princesa de Asturias using a Fabia.
10. On this weekend Rallye Sierra Morena he used a i20 R5 and was, alongside Garcia and Pernia, one of the drivers fighting for the win.
11. Burgo never won any CERA rally on a 911. He was slower than top 911 drivers during past seasons and he managed to become vice champion last year, one of the most atypical CERA’s rally seasons ever, using also other cars (208T16 and Lancer N+). His best CERA results were in on his Lancer Gr.N or N+ days (several time Gr. N champion and 2 overall rally wins).

I hope the data (easily checked on eWRC fantastic site) will make you realize that top 911 drivers results on spanish championship (like also in other countries) shouldn’t be judged lightly. Besides not being easy to win in a 911 (remember, in 9 years only 3 guys did it), Fuster and Ares examples clearly show that 911’s top drivers can also win on other cars and even Vallejo unexplained lack of speed on 4wd cars doesn’t hurt his amazing achievements during 911’s CERA era.

[hari]

Video 'Best of' - ORM Rebenland Rallye 2017:
https://vimeo.com/209082582

http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2017/vr.jpg (https://vimeo.com/209082582)

[dimviii]

I enjoy most of your posts and respect your views dimviii, but there’s a thin line between being stubborn and being stupid: I regret to say that on this Porsche driver’s subject you are clearly crossing that line.

Facts:
1. Despite being used by more than a dozen different drivers since 2008, only 3 drivers were able to win Spanish championship (CERA) events on a 911: Vallejo (20), Fuster (13) and Ares (3).
2. Fuster was 3 times CERA champion on a 911 (’11, ’12 and ’15), Vallejo twice (’09 and ’14).
3. Prior to his titles on a 911, Fuster was champion on a FWD car (Saxo KC in ’03) and on a 4WD car (Punto S2000 in ’07). His CERA’s rally winning score is one of the best in the series history.
4. In 2014 Fuster entered the CERA on a Fiesta R5. He managed to win 4 rallies, the same number Vallejo won on his 911, and fight for the title till the last rally.
5. He returned to a 911 in 2015 because he wasn’t able to get a full budget to run a R5 car (R5’s were 25% to 40% more expensive to run than a 911 on a CERA season).
6. All Vallejo CERA’s wins were in 911’s, the car he drove from 2008 to 2014. Still, a few years back he was also a top contender on FWD KC1600/S1600 cars, managing to become an official driver for FIAT and Renault importers teams.
7. Despite some events on S2000 cars and last season on a DS3 R5, Vallejo was never able to fight for a win on a CERA rally with a 4WD car.
8. Ares was the CERA revelation in 2015. He managed to win 3 events on a 911 against Fuster, Vallejo and all the other 911 drivers.
9. Last year, on his 3dr outing in a R5 car, he won CERA’s Rally Princesa de Asturias using a Fabia.
10. On this weekend Rallye Sierra Morena he used a i20 R5 and was, alongside Garcia and Pernia, one of the drivers fighting for the win.
11. Burgo never won any CERA rally on a 911. He was slower than top 911 drivers during past seasons and he managed to become vice champion last year, one of the most atypical CERA’s rally seasons ever, using also other cars (208T16 and Lancer N+). His best CERA results were in on his Lancer Gr.N or N+ days (several time Gr. N champion and 2 overall rally wins).

I hope the data (easily checked on eWRC fantastic site) will make you realize that top 911 drivers results on spanish championship (like also in other countries) shouldn’t be judged lightly. Besides not being easy to win in a 911 (remember, in 9 years only 3 guys did it), Fuster and Ares examples clearly show that 911’s top drivers can also win on other cars and even Vallejo unexplained lack of speed on 4wd cars doesn’t hurt his amazing achievements during 911’s CERA era.

nice post but,you didn't explain why Vallejo cant win with r5 car.As you said is several years champion.
Burgo while he could win stages and finish as vice champion with 911,now is minutes behind.
Why?
when you will answer this question,you will see who is the stubborn and stupid.

[samzon100]

Some photos from ARCTIC LAPLAND RALLY ROVANIEMI FINLAND 01.2017

Click ---> https://samzon.kuvat.fi/kuvat/Arctic+Lapland+Rally+Rovaniemi+01,17/

[stefanvv]

nice post but,you didn't explain why Vallejo cant win with r5 car.

You might find the answer when answering what car is he driving, I guess.

[dimviii]

You might find the answer when answering what car is he driving, I guess.

really? ds3 r5 is minutes slower from i20 r5 and fiesta r5 at tarmac?

[stefanvv]

really? ds3 r5 is minutes slower from i20 r5 and fiesta r5 at tarmac?

Let me say it this way - probably this is not the right R5 car for him.

[dimviii]

Let me say it this way - probably this is not the right R5 car for him.

not a good excuse.

[stefanvv]

not a good excuse.

Why do You believe all drivers are making excuses?

[TheFlyingTuga]

not a good excuse.

Vallejo it's getting old. He's been around for quite some time and some of the "older" drivers cannot adapt so good to this type of machinery. And let me say that when he won with the Porsche he was not given much of an oposition from faster guys... and the freaking thing was unrestricted.

Kudos to Garcia, proving that he is in fact a great driver, and the championship last year was not just do to the car. For me the bigest disappointement of the rally was the Suzuki N5 machine. Slower than any of the R5 cars with a great driver. Doesn't look to good for the N5 cars by now

[dimviii]

Why do You believe all drivers are making excuses?

where did I said it?

[dimviii]

Vallejo it's getting old. He's been around for quite some time and some of the "older" drivers cannot adapt so good to this type of machinery. And let me say that when he won with the Porsche he was not given much of an oposition from faster guys... and the freaking thing was unrestricted.


but while getting old that wasn't problem to won championships with a more powerfull car.
This driver with equal machinery is minutes from leader.
That's why I didn't like this situation last year,a situation that some guys here cant understand,or they pretend that they haven't understand.

[stefanvv]

where did I said it?

You just did it. I was just making assumption he is not comfortable with DS3 R5, (in fact who was?), and it is perceived as an excuse? Excuse for what? What is his ambition? What is his budget? What he wants to do on international level? Excuse for what exactly?

[dimviii]

You just did it. I was just making assumption he is not comfortable with DS3 R5, (in fact who was?), and it is perceived as an excuse? Excuse for what? What is his ambition? What is his budget? What he wants to do on international level? Excuse for what exactly?

you make an excuse,not the driver,with you I am talking not with the driver.
telling that ds3 r5 is not comfortable for him,while a 400 bhp rear wheel drive is more comfortable is ridiculous
The truth is that now he hasn't got the power advantage,and best drivers win or are close for a win.

[stefanvv]

you make an excuse,not the driver.

:D

EDIT/PS: I don't need to excuse for anything, I like the Porsches, and that's how it is.

[dimviii]

:D

EDIT/PS: I don't need to excuse for anything, I like the Porsches, and that's how it is.

me to like porsches.

[Rally Power]

nice post but,you didn't explain why Vallejo cant win with r5 car.As you said is several years champion. (...) when you will answer this question,you will see who is the stubborn and stupid.

I’ve already admitted it: it’s a mystery why Vallejo can’t be fast on a 4wd machine as he was on the 911’s or in the FWD cars he drove before. But that doesn’t make you less stubborn/stupid on this issue, because you’re forgetting a crucial aspect: he won all those rallies mostly against equal machines, as his main competitors were also driving 911’s!

You may ask why the 911 become so popular on spanish rally scene and the answer is somehow obvious: S2000 and R5 cars were considered too expensive (we tend to forget but they actually were/are!) and the liberal spanish ASN is always looking for cheaper ways to get more drivers involved on their rally series. GT’s, notably the 911, were the perfect solution as their wow factor also worked as a magnet on sponsors and fans.

I remember the first time I saw them on one of the Galician CERA’s rounds: I was shocked! Besides the 911’s there was also a 360GT and all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me! In due time, some become proper rally machines, while others (like the Ferrari) were discarded. But all the drivers that managed to get total control of those close to 400hp fully delivered to the rear axle on tiny, slippery and hazard roads deserved my deep respect.

That’s why I honestly think it’s so hard for you to understand: you probably never saw one of those beasts properly driven on a rally stage. Otherwise you’d agree their drivers are rally heroes!

[stefanvv]

all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me!

Why not? Do You believe there was 4wd in 1911? turbo? I think not. Of course the technology evolves, but there is a simple thing I don't understand - if all rally cars have to be 4wd (I don't min that) and restricted in same way, why they aren't? We have R1 - R5 up to space ships WRCs as they are now, why can't we have R-GT with the deserved technology aspect? What You understand rally is, and I don't?

[Mirek]

It was said thousand times. R-GT are usually built from exclusive sportscars. Their market competitors are not Peugeot, Ford or Škoda but brands like Lamborghini or Ferrari. Unless they could create a new top class there is no reason for any GT manufacturer to even think about supporting GTs in rallying. Without manufacturer support the class as a whole is dead just like it was proven already. One or two countries which create specific rules to push them as a top class don't change the whole picture.

Just reconcile to that. GT brands compete with other GT brands in circuit series while rallying has been a sport for masses.

[dimviii]

I’ve already admitted it: it’s a mystery why Vallejo can’t be fast on a 4wd machine as he was on the 911’s or in the FWD cars he drove before. But that doesn’t make you less stubborn/stupid on this issue, !

Ok for Vallejo its a ''mistery'' (lolol) for you why he is minutes behind with same machinery as Ares, Garcia etc
Burgo the vice champion with the unrestricted 911 do you know why he is also minutes from top r5 crews?
Is it a mystery too?
So you haven't got problem that Vallejo has been 3 times champion with the unrestricted 911,a driver that with same machinery is 2 minutes behind Garcia Ares etc as we see at last rallies.
Not only you haven't got any problem,but you applaused him.
Is it clear now who is the stubborn and stupid?



You may ask why the 911 become so popular on spanish rally scene and the answer is somehow obvious: S2000 and R5 cars were considered too expensive (we tend to forget but they actually were/are!) and the liberal spanish ASN is always looking for cheaper ways to get more drivers involved on their rally series. GT’s, notably the 911, were the perfect solution as their wow factor also worked as a magnet on sponsors and fans.

I remember the first time I saw them on one of the Galician CERA’s rounds: I was shocked! Besides the 911’s there was also a 360GT and all those beasts simply looked unfit for rally to me! In due time, some become proper rally machines, while others (like the Ferrari) were discarded. But all the drivers that managed to get total control of those close to 400hp fully delivered to the rear axle on tiny, slippery and hazard roads deserved my deep respect.

That’s why I honestly think it’s so hard for you to understand: you probably never saw one of those beasts properly driven on a rally stage. Otherwise you’d agree their drivers are rally heroes!

I don't care if they run porsches/Ferraris/whatever,they can run whatever they want,but these cars cant be champions against r5 cars.
It is not fair to be slower as a driver and become champion,because you have 100+ bhp fater tyres etc.
Hope I don't have to come back to explain basic things about rallying.

[dodge33cymru]

Guys, debate all you like but please don't insult each other; no need for it on here.

I enjoy reading the debate (personally, i can understand someone being unable to adapt to 4WD as well as 2WD, but maybe it would just be a personal issue with the DS3; sometimes people just aren't well suited to a particular car) but remember that it's subjective and not based on fact, so it's OK to have different opinions.

If rallying was purely factual, none of us would enjoy it as much!

[Ucci]

Mirek has right-exclusive manufacturer like Porsche has not interest whatsoever to compete with Peugeot&Ford&Škoda.....so they will never ''give a cent'' for rallying. It is fine for me.....
What I'm referring to: @dodge33cymru wrote, that somebody can not adapt to different drive. I agree, because I was lucky last year to be a codriver in an old BMW E36 M3, in wet!! After beeing a copilot for almost 20 years in front drive cars, this is something TOTAL different. No way for some amateur rally driver to step from FWD to RWD. It is a retirement after first few bends (retirement due to ''off the road'').
So, even Vallejo is not an ordinary amateur driver, he might have some problems with 4WD car. Why not??
And beside that, DS3 R5 is far away from Fiesta or Fabia. I hope dimvii you agree with this....

[dimviii]

So, even Vallejo is not an ordinary amateur driver, he might have some problems with 4WD car. Why not??
4wd is easier than a rwd rear engine car.Except that we are talking about multiple champion,not an amateur.

And beside that, DS3 R5 is far away from Fiesta or Fabia. I hope dimvii you agree with this....
I am not so sure at asphalt if its slower.At Portugal ds3 r5 done 1-2 at last rally,Abbring was leading,Ucci was leading too at last weekend.
We cant say that they are slower at tarmac.Unreliable yes.
Burgo was with fabia r5 btw and he was slow too.

[TheFlyingTuga]

4wd is easier than a rwd rear engine car.Except that we are talking about multiple champion,not an amateur.

I am not so sure at asphalt if its slower.At Portugal ds3 r5 done 1-2 at last rally,Abbring was leading,Ucci was leading too at last weekend.
We cant say that they are slower at tarmac.Unreliable yes.
Burgo was with fabia r5 btw and he was slow too.

And Vallejo car comes from the same Portuguese Shop as the Portuguese DS3 R5 bi-champion winning car. And, it's a totally new car. Burgo was slower but he had food poison through the weekend. The participation in the rally was even in jeopardy because of that.

And yes dimvii, I do understand your point regarding the unrestricted Porsches. And like to see them in rally, but when unrestricted they are the most boring thing I ever saw. Drivers just relly on power on the straights.

[dimviii]

btw Vallejo delivered fiesta evo2

A Ford Fiesta R5 EVO2 in Vallejo Racing facilities. That It is Iago Caamaño said... #cgr @PeAChapaRacing @RevistaScratch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7YO7oxXUAEb9YN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7YO8SAWkAAZ5QT.jpg

[Rally Power]

Ok for Vallejo its a ''mistery'' (lolol) for you why he is minutes behind with same machinery as Ares, Garcia etc
Burgo the vice champion with the unrestricted 911 do you know why he is also minutes from top r5 crews?
Is it a mystery too?
So you haven't got problem that Vallejo has been 3 times champion with the unrestricted 911,a driver that with same machinery is 2 minutes behind Garcia Ares etc as we see at last rallies.
Not only you haven't got any problem,but you applaused him.
Is it clear now who is the stubborn and stupid?
I don't care if they run porsches/Ferraris/whatever,they can run whatever they want,but these cars cant be champions against r5 cars.
It is not fair to be slower as a driver and become champion,because you have 100+ bhp fater tyres etc.
Hope I don't have to come back to explain basic things about rallying.

On those basic things you forgot to mention that 911’s are 150kg heavier than R5’s…

Honestly I quit trying to make you understand the obvious: there was an overall balance between the 911 and the S2000/R5 on the spanish rally series; in faster or smooth stages the Porsche was ahead while on the sinuous or irregular roads the S2000/R5 were in front. That balance was ruined by 2015 rules (38mm restrictor on 911’s).

Taking Vallejo or Burgo less convincing exhibitions on current R5’s and intentionally forgetting former Porsche drivers that have already proved can be fast in any type of car, like Ares, Fuster, Pons or even our Portuguese champ JP Fontes and his team mate Carlos Vieira, in order to argue that 911 drivers were slower drivers that could only win due to an alleged technical superiority, reveals on what side of this debate is the stubbornness and/or stupidity.

Btw, about that alleged superiority here’s the link to 2010 CERA results http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2010&nat=8 , the year Hevia in a Fabia S2000 defeated Fuster on his 911 3.6 and another to 2014 CERA results http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2014&nat=8 , the only year there was a proper competition between a 911 and a R5. Any impartial viewer can easily conclude that Vallejo's 911 3.8L and Fuster's (yep, the same one) Fiesta R5 were on a close fight all over the year and Fuster’s retirements were the main key for Vallejo winning the series.

As a rally fan I’ll miss 911’s on my visits to spanish rally’s, but I’ll keep enjoying those and applauding the best drivers no matter what kind of car they’re using, as long they use them on max attack mode!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u60qSLoF8vk
video: Best of Porsches by D10M

[dimviii]

On those basic things you forgot to mention that 911’s are 150kg heavier than R5’s…
you don't have to mention me the 150kg,with these 150kg they were faster at straights.


Honestly I quit trying to make you understand the obvious: there was an overall balance between the 911 and the S2000/R5 on the spanish rally series; in faster or smooth stages the Porsche was ahead while on the sinuous or irregular roads the S2000/R5 were in front. That balance was ruined by 2015 rules (38mm restrictor on 911’s).…
balance was on your mind only. That's why Vallejo was multiple champion,while now with equal machinery is minutes behind.


, in order to argue that 911 drivers were slower drivers that could only win due to an alleged technical superiority, reveals on what side of this debate is the stubbornness and/or stupidity.).…
I haven't said that EVERYBODY who drove a 911 was slow driver.I was talking from previous year about Vallejo and Burgo,and you said that they didn t have advantage.
of course now who are minutes behind with equal machinery,you remembered that they were also ''other drivers''


, Btw, about that alleged superiority here’s the link to 2010 CERA results http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2010&nat=8 , the year Hevia in a Fabia S2000 defeated Fuster on his 911 3.6 and another to 2014 CERA results http://www.ewrc-results.com/season.php?s=2014&nat=8 , the only year there was a proper competition between a 911 and a R5. Any impartial viewer can easily conclude that Vallejo's 911 3.8L and Fuster's (yep, the same one) Fiesta R5 were on a close fight all over the year and Fuster’s retirements were the main key for Vallejo winning the series.

yes Vallejo was close fight with fiesta r5,but now with r5 ds3 cant fight.
Nice story,the dragon when comes?


but I’ll keep enjoying those and applauding the best drivers no matter what kind of car they’re using, as long they use them on max attack mode!

me too I applause these who attack no matter car they driving,but I will not applause a champion with power advantage vs better drivers with slower cars.

[aykutbilir]

btw Vallejo delivered fiesta evo2

A Ford Fiesta R5 EVO2 in Vallejo Racing facilities. That It is Iago Caamaño said... #cgr @PeAChapaRacing @RevistaScratch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7YO7oxXUAEb9YN.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7YO8SAWkAAZ5QT.jpg

Fiesta Evo2 is not homologated yet..
Am i right..


Tapatalk kullanarak iPhone araclyla gönderildi

[Rally Power]

Fiesta Evo2 is not homologated yet..
Am i right..


Tapatalk kullanarak iPhone araclyla gönderildi

...yep! http://www.revistascratch.com/regional-galicia/noticia/nuevo-ford-fiesta-r5-para-iago-caamano-37113 So, it's still a Evo 1 (chassis 207) and it'll be used by Iago on Galician Rally championship.

Btw, the same site is also saying that Garcia will run spanish gravel rally series (CERT) on a R5 Fiesta, alongside the tarmac series (CERA) he's already competing.

[Mirek]

Matthias Adielsson entered Rally Rožňava, Slovakia, with Fiesta R5.

[Adler]

maybe an interesting clip from rallye-Magazin.de for those who don´t understand where the advantage of unresticted Porsche is.

https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2015/special/max-speed-comparision/

[Rally Power]

We forgot the Swiss! Pays du Gier Rally (F) was their season debut and Carron managed to impose his Fiesta R5, 23.5s ahead Ballinari, on equal car. Third Swiss was 911 driver Valiccionni, 4th overall: http://www.asadelaloire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/2017-Classement-G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral-Moderne.pdf
Video by Ohalalui https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7n2kZp4VxE

[Rally Power]

Dear Christ, I thought we were done with the 911 talk...


maybe an interesting clip from rallye-Magazin.de for those who don´t understand where the advantage of unresticted Porsche is.
https://www.rallye-magazin.de/int/videos/2015/special/max-speed-comparision/

Actually, that video (another La Tula Sport nice work) is from a classic Asturias SS, the well known Nueva-Labra ( http://www.rallyellanes.com/2016/nueva-labra.asp ). The footage was taken on Llamigo straight, after 800m on full throttle, but if anyone remembered to make a similar video on the more sinuous section, close to Labra, the result would be quite different: probably with the 911 behind the R5 and even the N+. The whole 19.9 stage kms can be seen through this amazing onboard: https://youtu.be/1Za0gkw3tSI?t=82

Yep, what a coincidence! From that precise SS of the 2015 Rallye Villa de Llanes there’s an on-board of Vallejo’s 911. Now, unless anyone is blind, everybody must recognize that these 15m09s (large screen recommended) are a fantastic driving show and a material proof that top 911 drivers weren’t only fast on straights!

Btw, all rally long Vallejo and Yonatan Perez (Fiesta R5) we’re in a close fight for the first place. Vallejo win was only decided on last SS, with a final 8.1s difference, after 160 stage kms ( https://www.ewrc-results.com/results.php?e=21327&s=97017 ). The previous year Fuster easily won the rally in a Fiesta R5, as Vallejo lost big time in one off. But on Nueva-Labra SS Fuster was 7.9s faster than Vallejo on the first pass and 11.2 slower at the second. Numbers that help to realize how balanced the spanish 911 vs S2000/R5 overall match was.

[Mirek]

16 R5 cars entered to the Hungarian season opener in Miskolc: http://www.duen.hu/info/170327_HELL23MiskolcRallye_nevezesilista.pdf

[Mirek]

Pavel Valoušek to replace Ondřej Bisaha in first round of Slovak championship Rally Rožňava in Bisaha's Fiesta R5.

[Mirek]

Results of Rally Rožňava, opening round of Slovak championship:

1. Koči (Fabia R5) 52:21,7
2. Valoušek (Fiesta R5) +7,4 (10 sec penalty for hitting a chicane)
3. Grzyb (Fabia R5) +9,7
4. Ondrej (Fabia WRC) +18,0 (20 sec penalty for hitting chicanes)
5. Majerčák (Fiesta R5) +1:33,0
6. Trněný (Fabia WRC) +1:55,2
7. Melichárek (Fabia R5) +2:07,5
8. Kukučka (Fiesta R5) +2:27,4
9. Gavlák (Evo IX) +3:20,8
10. Drotár (Fabia R5) +3:40,5

Addielson (Fiesta R5) crashed, Semerád sen. had technical issues and retired. Not very often similar situation like here happens where there are two drivers who would win without having any penalty but that's how it is.

[Mirek]

After leg 1 in Hungarian Miskolc Rally Herzig is leading ahead of Vincze and Turán.

Massive crash of Fogasy from Miskolc Rally: https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p480x480/539893_1394106380647794_9002356041901207370_n.jpg? oh=bde91594b6a40328652056006f068972&oe=594D4A76

[Mirek]

Final results from Miskolc, Hungary

1. Herzig (Fabia R5) 1:26:50,9
2. Turán (Fiesta R5) +20,6
3. Vincze (Fabia R5) +22,9
4. Ranga (Fabia R5) +1:43,7
5. Kazár (Fiesta R5) +1:44,9
6. Hádik (Fiesta R5) +2:44,9
7. Kiss jun. (Fiesta R5) +3:42,4
8. Bodolai (Fiesta R5) +3:56,2
9. Ranga jun. (Fabia R5) +4:29,8
10. Trencsényi (Fabia R5) +4:32,0

[WUff1]

Baumschlager said in a video interview, that Skoda will stop to finance rallying in Austria if WRC´s will be still allowed then. He especially mentioned Skoda Rallye Liezen, this year part oft T.E.R.

[Adler]

2nd round of ÖRM will be this weekend on the lovely stages of Lavanttal rallye, no big surprises on the entry list http://www.lavanttal-rallye.at/2017/nennliste.html

live timing http://www.delta-timing.hr/results/lavanttal17/

SS1 starts on Friday 15:23

[Jarek Z]

Baumschlager said in a video interview, that Skoda will stop to finance rallying in Austria if WRC´s will be still allowed then.

Good move, istn't it?

[WUff1]

Lavanttal Rallye, 2nd run in Austria, after day one (4 of 12 stages):

1. Hermann Neubauer/Bernhard Ettel A/A Ford Fiesta WRC 37:48,3 Min
2. Gerwald Grössing/Elke Aigner A/A Ford Fiesta WRC +13,3 Sek
3. Andreas Aigner/Ilka Minor A/A Skoda Fabia R5 +14,1 Sek
4. Raimund Baumschlager/P. Winklhofer A/A Skoda Fabia R5 +26,5 Sek
5. Niki Mayr-Melnhof/Leop. Welsersheimb A/A Ford Fiesta R5 +1:07,0 Min

[Ucci]

Baumschlager said in a video interview, that Skoda will stop to finance rallying in Austria if WRC´s will be still allowed then. He especially mentioned Skoda Rallye Liezen, this year part oft T.E.R.
At the moment Baumschlager has also problem with Aigner in R5....

[WUff1]

At the moment Baumschlager has also problem with Aigner in R5....

It´s unsure if Aigner has enough budget to drive a whole season, unfortunately.

[Mirek]

At the moment Baumschlager has also problem with Aigner in R5....

How is that relevant to the information about possible end of Škoda sponsorship in ORM?

[Mirek]

Very strange thing on SS9... Baumschlager crashed. But Neubauer also lost nearly 3 minutes.

[WUff1]

Very strange thing on SS9... Baumschlager crashed. But Neubauer also lost nearly 3 minutes.

Also Grössing out after SS9.

[WUff1]

Neubauer lost time when helping Baumschlager after his accident - no news about Baumschlager for now.

[Mirek]

I can see that Neubauer's time was changed now.

[Ucci]

How is that relevant to the information about possible end of Škoda sponsorship in ORM?
In your dreams maybe....I just wrote the pure fact that Mundl was behind Aigner....nothing to do with WRC or Skoda...

[Mirek]

Why have You quoted this then? Sorry but when somebody quotes something I take it as an answer to the topic.


Baumschlager said in a video interview, that Skoda will stop to finance rallying in Austria if WRC´s will be still allowed then. He especially mentioned Skoda Rallye Liezen, this year part oft T.E.R.

[WUff1]

Baumschlager and his co-driver are OK.

[Mirek]

Final results of Lavanttal

1. Neubauer (Fiesta WRC) 1:55:47,8
2. Aigner A. (Fabia R5) +1:37,3
3. Aigner G. (Fiesta WRC) +4:59,9
4. Gassner sen. (Evo X R4) +6:17,7
5. Hideg (Evo IX R4) +6:19,1
6. Wollinger (Clio R3) +9:09,0
7. Kogler (DS3 R3) +9:53,2
8. Lichtenegger (i20 R5) +10:13,3
9. Wagner J. (Adam R2) +10:34,2
10. Knobloch (Impreza STi) +11:45,0

Baumschlager crashed, Grössing engine, Mayr-Melnhof I think also technical problem.

[hari]

Gallery Lavanttal Rallye 2017: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_lavanttal_rallye_2017.html

http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/1.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/2.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/3.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/4.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/5.jpg
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos/2017/lavanttal/6.jpg

[hari]

Final results of Lavanttal

1. Neubauer (Fiesta WRC) 1:55:47,8
2. Aigner A. (Fabia R5) +1:37,3
3. Aigner G. (Fiesta WRC) +4:59,9
4. Gassner sen. (Evo X R4) +6:17,7
5. Hideg (Evo IX R4) +6:19,1
6. Wollinger (Clio R3) +9:09,0
7. Kogler (DS3 R3) +9:53,2
8. Lichtenegger (i20 R5) +10:13,3
9. Wagner J. (Adam R2) +10:34,2
10. Knobloch (Impreza STi) +11:45,0

Baumschlager crashed, Grössing engine, Mayr-Melnhof I think also technical problem.

Mayr Melnhof lost a wheel after an off in SS5

[hari]

Baumschlagers crash onboard:
https://vimeo.com/212459556

[Rally Power]

Another win for Carron on Swiss Criterium Jurrasien:
Top10
1. Sébastien Carron/Jérôme Dégout - Ford Fiesta R5 1:40:58.3
2. Ivan Ballinari/Paolo Pinaca - Ford Fiesta R5 +35.9
3. Nicolas Althaus/Alain Ioset - Skoda Fabia R5 +55.0
4. Michael Burri/Anderson Levratti - Citroën DS3 R5 +1:36.9
5. Pascal Perroud/Romain Blondeau - Ford Fiesta R5 +1:43.9
6. Marc Valliccioni/Sandra Arlattaz - Porsche 997 GT3 +3:02.2
7. Mike Coppens/Christophe Roux - Citroën DS3 R5 +3:34.8
8. Jean-Marc Salomon/David Comment - Ford Fiesta R5 +3:49.7
9. Florian Gonon/Sarah Tharin - Renault Clio R3T +6:54.8
10. Olivier Courtois/Hubert Risser - Renault Clio R3T +8:43.7
video by Maxicorde https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6v4907CT6I

[Ucci]

Baumschlagers crash onboard:
https://vimeo.com/212459556

Quite heavy impact......not a total surprise if you are trying to catch WRC driver(s)....

[WUff1]

Quite heavy impact......not a total surprise if you are trying to catch WRC driver(s)....

Baumschlager said last year, that with WRC-drivers in championship he has to drive on his limits - that´s is the result of this.

[Adler]

Quite heavy impact......not a total surprise if you are trying to catch WRC driver(s)....
one point of view...
there´s an other one: he was under pressure from a guy in same car (except extra Ethanol power), who had very little experience with this car, very limited stage knowledge (last and only start 2010), and who quit serious rallying 4 years ago...

who knows...anyway, Andi Aigner won´t find Budget for whole season, and Raimund Baumschlager will again have the best car from next Rallye on...

[Mirek]

Aigner uses ethanol in the Fabia R5?

[Adler]

Aigner uses ethanol in the Fabia R5?
no, but Baumschlager, Aigner claimed that he didn´t get the Software from Skoda.

[Ucci]

First rally for Slovenian championship. For our circumstances more than solid entry list. Favorite, ofcourse Andreas Aigner.

http://rallyvipavskadolina.com/tekmovalci/

BTW-this year is 20 years since I was first time as a codriver. The whole time I was sitting in FWD cars (one exception-Escort Cosworth), but this time it is going to be a new experience: M3. I'm excited as a small kid going for the first time in a candy store....

[Mirek]

Good luck!

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Entry list of the Wechselland Rallye, third round of the Austrian championship:

http://www.wechsellandrallye.at/2017/DOK/nennliste.pdf

Andreas Aigner will use a Fiesta WRC instead of the Fabia R5!!!!

[PLuto]

It is Gerhard Aigner with Fiesta WRC...