National Rally championships News

[AL14]

Hello everyone, does anybody know why the thread about italian rally is gone? Any admin around here?

[itix]

http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?15853-Italian-Rally-News

Here... You can't see it? I have no problems

[edgars944]

Some photos from F-CUP Tengtools-ralli – Kitee 22.8.2015
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.953190754739090.1073741917.531301770261326&type=3

[AL14]

http://www.motorsportforums.com/showthread.php?15853-Italian-Rally-News

Here... You can't see it? I have no problems

I swear it was disappeared! Thanks by the way. :)

[Estrally]

Heard that this young guy who has driven Estonian national champ. so far will start JERC next year.
https://www.facebook.com/RolandPoomrt
Also i saw that he is making cool promotion video, driving in the city. He told me that it will be available for fans this week!

[KKSF]

Rally Kurzeme 2015, Latvia.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjahLoAjHw

[dupanton]

Rally Kurzeme 2015, Latvia.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWjahLoAjHw

Saw pictures from a bad looking Lancer. Any news on the crew?

[eib1]

According to local site (go4speed.lv) they are both in coma

Google translation:
The portal has reported that on Saturday in the penultimate special stage of the rally Kurzeme very serious accident suffered a Ukrainian crew Yuri Kočmars / Sergijo Koval. As reported by eyewitnesses, the car with about 160 km / h high speed slid into a ditch. Although the pilot was trying to leave the ditch, that he failed and the car ran into a tree, where the car after the impact was partially torn and roof bows. Following the accident, both riders were trapped in the car, in order to liberate them, rescuers they cut out of the car. Later both drivers in a critical condition was taken to hospital, where at the moment they are in a coma.

http://www.go4speed.lv/data/images/CNlNSOsU8AE9LL1.jpg-large_1.jpg

[garais22]

According to local site (go4speed.lv) they are both in coma

Google translation:
The portal has reported that on Saturday in the penultimate special stage of the rally Kurzeme very serious accident suffered a Ukrainian crew Yuri Kočmars / Sergijo Koval. As reported by eyewitnesses, the car with about 160 km / h high speed slid into a ditch. Although the pilot was trying to leave the ditch, that he failed and the car ran into a tree, where the car after the impact was partially torn and roof bows. Following the accident, both riders were trapped in the car, in order to liberate them, rescuers they cut out of the car. Later both drivers in a critical condition was taken to hospital, where at the moment they are in a coma.

http://www.go4speed.lv/data/images/CNlNSOsU8AE9LL1.jpg-large_1.jpg

Hope that everything will be ok
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/4947-kurzemes-rallija-pirmspedeja-atrumposma-ukrainu-sportisti-piedzivo-arkartigi-smagu-avariju/

[faateris]

Rally KURZEME photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[CivEngine]

:(

What a dissapointing weekend that was. Crashes, huge accidents and lives in serious danger. I know accidents are part of the sport, it's an intrinsic hazard, but it's always highly breathtaking when a crew smashes their car heavily. I only hope that the ukranian duo get well soon. We've lost enough lives this weekend...

[martini2771]

Video from Rally Kurzeme 2015. Some rolls through the dust, 3 turns before the heavy crash of ukranians, some softer close calls and jump slow-mo...

http://motorsunsports.lv/video/rally-kurzeme-2015

[Rally Power]

Unfortunate news from Italy and Latvia...

[CivEngine]

The entry list for the Cervera Rally (Round 5 of the Gravel Spanish Champ.) is out and it has some great news. The most important one is that Xevi Pons is back after his looooong stop due to back injuries suffered while he was giving some driving lessons in Bolivia. He will run a Fiesta R5 from the Bernini Rally Team.

The list is quite strong for what is normal in Spain. Up to 6 Ford Fiesta R5 will be at the start line in Cervera. Other names as former champion Amador Vidal or dakarian 'Nani' Roma will complete the field.

[dj_masch_hr]

42. Croatia rally Supplementary regulations finally published. Althoug, the website is yet to be finnished. The itinerary is new, and it is belived it will be more attractive than at any other Croatia rally in the past.

https://www.facebook.com/42croatiarally

[MartijnS]

If I'm correct, a really serious accident at Rally de la Coruna in Spain? Two dead and tenths of people got hurt. http://www.laopinioncoruna.es/gran-coruna/2015/09/05/grave-accidente-rally-coruna/992228.html

Bad weekend..

[danon]

Sad weekend again.
R.I.P. to all.

Another bad accident happened today in Rally Sliven but fortunately with a happy end - the crew get away alive.

http://gong.bg/motorni/rali/snimki-bobi-grigorov-katastrofira-na-rali-sliven-343594

http://gong.bg/motorni/rali/multimedia/gallery/snimki-katastrofata-na-grigorov-predizvesti-shampionite-v-rali-sliven-343599

[AL14]

If I'm correct, a really serious accident at Rally de la Coruna in Spain? Two dead and tenths of people got hurt. http://www.laopinioncoruna.es/gran-coruna/2015/09/05/grave-accidente-rally-coruna/992228.html

Bad weekend..

Unfortunately it seems the dead are 6 up to now. :(

[Rallyper]

So what conclusions can one have after all these accidents. Common causes? Tarmac? Speed? Spectator errors? Organiser errors?

[nafpaktos]

Motorsport can be dangerous(fia logo),my logo is motorsport IS dangerous,this is the answer FOR ME.

[stefanvv]

I agree with nafpactos. Motorsport is dangerous and everyone must keep that in mind, especially public for which this is just a "nice picnic". I hope all other injured spectators in Spain are going to be well and speedy recovery!

[AndyRAC]

So what conclusions can one have after all these accidents. Common causes? Tarmac? Speed? Spectator errors? Organiser errors?

It's likely to be a combination of all of them. Any loss of life in Motorsport is tragic - but it's somehow even worse when spectators are killed. Is it possible for events to ban spectators? In the UK organisers are clamping down on the areas were spectators can go; events are setting up spectator areas; and that is the only place they are allowed. Not popular with fans.

[Luis Pacheco]

So what conclusions can one have after all these accidents. Common causes? Tarmac? Speed? Spectator errors? Organiser errors?

What about drivers errors?

[Rallyper]

Drivers must have space for errors. It´s up to organizer to make up enough spectatorfree zones!

[stefanvv]

You can't blame a driver for 20 injured spectators, something is just not right....

[Mirek]

Drivers must have space for errors. It´s up to organizer to make up enough spectatorfree zones!

And up to spectators to use their brain. Organizers can't be on every meter of the stage. We have more than enough experience here with it... :(

Anyway the last to blame is the driver. He has a right to make mistake.

It's also true that asphalt rallying is a lot more dangerous than gravel but since most of the European roads are made of asphalt the accidents will always happen. That of course doesn't mean that nothing can be done to make the risk smaller.

[Francis44]

My condolonces to all the family and friends of those involved. May the injured get well quick.

By the video it was quite an unusual place, very unfortunate :(.

https://youtu.be/S2IE9LuGdLU

[Rally Power]

R.I.P.

Condolences to the families and a healthy recovery for the injured and the unfortunate crew.

[Luis Pacheco]

You can't blame a driver for 20 injured spectators, something is just not right....

I did not say it was a pilot fault . Now driver´s errors are also part of the equation like technical failures.

[janvanvurpa]

So what conclusions can one have after all these accidents. Common causes? Tarmac? Speed? Spectator errors? Organiser errors?


Tarmac and drivers trusting their tires. Has to be the main thing..
Grippy grippy tires and so any fool who can afford a car and piles of brand new soft compound tires can corner at very high speeds. The maybe somebody has flicked the ash from 1 cigarette in a braking zone or mid corner..and the next guy loses grip and crashes.. Once the tires SNAP loose, very little time/chance to catch the car....and if there's lots of people the chance for a horrible result is high..

On gravel we don't "count on" tons of grip....if you have it,. OK, cool but if we don't have lots of grip---that's normal..

Tarmac --all forms, bikes ovals, Eff Juan, whatever on tarmac, they "expect" grip...


Expect the unexpected..


Make the tires "gentler" when they let go--and let go at much lower levels of force on them..
Then the cars on tarmac would look like they're on gravel, and it might be worth watching--and probably safer in the long term.

[hari]

Skoda Rallye Liezen 2015 final results:
01. Raimund Baumschlager/Thomas Zeltner, ŠKODA Fabia R5, 1:23:01,3 Std.
02. Gerwald Grössing/Sigi Schwarz, Ford Fiesta R5, + 1:29,6 Min.
03. Norbert Herczig/Janek Czako, ŠKODA Fabia R5, + 1:53,9
04. Maximilian Koch/Lisa Brunthaler, ŠKODA Fabia S2000, + 4:42,7
05. Dominik Dinkel/Pirmin Winklhofer, Opel Adam R2, + 9:25,1
06. Günther Knobloch/Jürgen Rausch, Citroen DS3 R3 MAX, + 9:49,3
07. Willi Stengg/Jürgen Klinger, Opel Adam R2, + 10:26,2
08. Gernot Zeiringer/Martin Pucher, Peugeot 208 R2, + 11:09,2
09. Reini Sampl/Bernhard Ettel, Audi TTS quattro, + 11:21,2
10. Christoph Lieb/Catharina Schmid, Opel Corsa OPC, + 12:57,3

Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_skoda_rallye_liezen_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/li15.jpg

Video - 12 min: https://vimeo.com/138444165

[CivEngine]

It's difficult to give one single reason to the A Coruña rally, mainly because the accident can't be explained with one reason. It's a mix of many reasons, starting with the public location. So sad to comment that I have no words to describe the way I feel.



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There were other rallys in Spain this weekend. The most important was in Cervera, as it was the fifth round of the Gravel Champ. The finaly victory was for the former spanish champion, Amador Vidal, with his VW Proto. Second was Jorge del Cid (Evo X) and third was Alex Villanueva (Evo X) who has built up his speed last years in France Gravel Champ.

On the first stages Xevi Pons was leading the rally with his Ford Fiesta R5 from Bernini Rally. Pons was returning to the competition after a long period of resting due to back injuries. At we could see in Cervera he continues to have speed and gravel skills. A technical problem ruined his rally.

The next leader was Nani Roma who had to retire after engine problems in his Mini Cooper Proto. Then, Vidal took the lead and won the rally.


I'm open to any questions about the rally as I was there.

[janvanvurpa]

I'm open to any questions about the rally as I was there.

Any? OK a general question, maybe its cultural> I get a feeling most Spanish rally is asfalto and that gravel or tierra is maybe second place status so
is this true?
And if true, why?

I have the feeling also that maybe there simply isn't enough good gravel roads in Spain to cover all regions...but I haven't been to the inside of Spain...

[MartijnS]

Really too bad about the accident. Big news also here in the Netherlands, all over the news, this morning on the radio also about the 7th victim.
Anyway, when you watch the Bunnings videos of the rallies there, I have to admit it always looks like all the drivers have a big heart, but unfortunately the safety isn't great at all right?

[EightGear]

Nice surpise: Hans Weijs jr. will drive his own, recently bought Fiesta R5 at the Hellendoorn Rally in the Netherlands. :)

Good to see him competing again, after he quit his South African campaign.

[Ucci]

This weekend the 4.rally for Slovenian championship (and also valid for Mitropa), Rally Nova Gorica.
Special guest on the entry list, Umberto Scandola. I guess this is a ''penalty'' participation for Umberto, as he didn't succeed to drive more than three stages on previous two events in Italy. But for us is a great honour to have such exceptional driver with the best R5 car in the world.

http://www.rally-novagorica.si/Pravilnik%20prijave/Start%20list.pdf

Not worthy of mentioning, that he is favourite Nb.1 .......

[Mirek]

Rally Tríbeč, Slovakia, is canceled due to organization issues.

[danon]

Rally SLIVEN 2015 HOT moments & mistakes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2oRSghjr4

http://s5.postimg.org/h2wsk16iv/rsl.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sW2oRSghjr4)

[danon]

New link - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTU-S43bxH0

[Ucci]

Rally Nova Gorica, as expected an easy win for Italian rally star Umberto Scandola. I was surprised that Gassner senior was faster than his son. Fastest slovenian driver Rok Turk with P208R2 (this is reality in our championship), and one huge accident from driver of MG (fortunately no one was hurt) due to ''lost brakes'' (he tryed to save situation with hand brake):
Watch at 15:05 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuGJkaniyI

And a short clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAxvnAnBxcM

[rallysupportnl]

Hellendoorn Rally 2015 DAY 1 (With BIG moment Kobus, Skoda Fabia R5)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g87xSGqyj7c

[hari]

Gallery Austrian Rallye Legends 2015:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_austrian_rallye_legends_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/arl15.jpg

[rallysupportnl]

Hellendoorn Rally 2015 (NL)

Rally won by Dennis Kuipers (Ford Fiesta RS WRC)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZXDA7k4hr8

[rallysupportnl]

Photos Hellendoorn Rally 2015 ---> Click here for the photos (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=378)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2015/HELLENDOORN2015/Hellendoornrally2015Rallysupport0038.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2015/HELLENDOORN2015/Hellendoornrally2015Rallysupport0009.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2015/HELLENDOORN2015/Hellendoornrally2015Rallysupport0058.JPG

[MartijnS]

My photos of Hellendoorn Rally are online too. It was pretty boring the 2 days, hardly any serious battles and only a few guys were pushing unfortunately!

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/hellendoornrally/10027373.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/hellendoornrally/39515208.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/hellendoornrally/46961266.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/hellendoornrally/51161375.jpg

More at our Facebook Page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) or our Website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/hellendoornrally/hellendoornrally.html) !

[CWJ]

2015 German Championship Round 8/10

Results Rally Litermont

1 SUNINEN, T. / MARKKULA, M.
Skoda Fabia S2000
1:14:10.5

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/typo3temp/yag-galleries/41/65/Litermont_Rallye_2015_KH_067_416591_55fdc3beb.jpg


2 GAßNER, H. / THANNHÄUSER, K.
Mitsubishi Evo VIII
+01:44.0

3 ZELTNER, R.
ZELTNER, P.
Porsche 997 GT3
+01:55.2

4 KREIM, F. / CHRISTIAN, F.
Skoda Fabia R5
+04:49.5

5 RIEBENSAHM, D. / RATH, A.
Peugeot 208 T16 R5
+05:37.5

GRC standings:
1. Zeltner 171; 2. Wallenwein 129; 3. Kreim 123; 4. Corazza 80; 5. Mohe 75

[hari]

Video Austrian Rallye Legends 2015:
https://vimeo.com/139845394

http://www.ir7.at/arl15vid.jpg (https://vimeo.com/139845394)

[Mirek]

CWJ, can You give a short summary what happened during the rally? Especially what happened to Wallenwein and Kreim? I saw some video of many offs where it looked like Wallenwein's steering rod broke (at least there was very quick sudden strange move of left front wheel)...

[dimviii]

what about Weijs?

[EightGear]

what about Weijs?
Quite impressive to stay in front of Van Loon's S14 WRC. He also schooled Kobus, I don't know if he had problems of some kind but he was quite far behind.

[CWJ]

CWJ, can You give a short summary what happened during the rally?

Real rally conditions with darkness, mud, gravel and a lot of sudden rain. Kreim went off in the lead after loosing the car on a fast crest in stage 4 where he lost 6 minutes. Apart from that he won 13/14 stages. Yes Wallenwein broke the steering rod and got no spare from BRR neither :( Ramonat broken gearbox. Riebensahm in a ROMO 208 T16 R5 stopped after last stage on the way back to service.

Full results http://znts.de/zeitnahme/lives/266/live_ergebnis_adac.html

Pictures http://www.rallye-magazin.de/index.php?id=2838

[Mirek]

Danke

[MartijnS]

Weijs looked really good indeed. Weak performance of Kobus, but I also heard something about him being ill.
Also a bad performance of Bob de Jong, can't see him pushing the DS3 to its limits soon, looks so slow.

[JoostSchouten]

Weijs looked really good indeed. Weak performance of Kobus, but I also heard something about him being ill.
Also a bad performance of Bob de Jong, can't see him pushing the DS3 to its limits soon, looks so slow.
Some more footage of this muddy rally: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McEkD3as67c

http://i59.tinypic.com/rcvkgg.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McEkD3as67c)

[Mirek]

Slovak ASN confirmed officially disqualification of Grzyb from Rally Košice. Melichárek is new Slovak champion.

[JoostSchouten]

Slovak ASN confirmed officially disqualification of Grzyb from Rally Košice. Melichárek is new Slovak champion.
Why he was disqualified?

[Mirek]

There was non-homologated ride-height-control device on the rear axle. The system looked similar to those of works M-Sport cars but wasn't completely same.

[WUff1]

In Austria all top drivers - even Baumschlager gave his OK - want actual WRC-cars to be allowed in Austrian championship.

[EstWRC]

Tänak will be competing at Saaremaa rally next month with a RWD Toyota Starlet. Will be interesting.

[KKSF]

Hard crashes included. Tartu ralli 2015, Estonia. KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2aNby9NKFU

[garais22]

VIDEO: Two big crashes in Tartu ralli 2015. One of involved car - truck Gaz 52
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1087-video-ford-focus-iespaidigais-lidojums-kokos-kuleno-ari-smagais-gaz-52-/

[tc10a]

In Austria all top drivers - even Baumschlager gave his OK - want actual WRC-cars to be allowed in Austrian championship.

So we can consider 1.6l WRC in 2016 in Austria on the stages? Would be incredible.
Eligible for Championship`points?

[tc10a]

First Event in Austrian Championship 2016 should be Rebenland Rallye on March 18th-19th 2016. Announced today.

[Rally Power]

Eight (in eight) 911 win in Spain. In Rallye Villa de Llanes it was Vallejo time, but only in last stage he was able to get in front of Perez (Fiesta R5). Fuster came 3rd with his 911 and has become spanish champion (for the 5th time).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhm2rlyadqk

[Mirek]

First Event in Austrian Championship 2016 should be Rebenland Rallye on March 18th-19th 2016. Announced today.

Who in Austria is able to find enough money for 1.6T WRC? Those are pretty expensive cars and as far as I recall nearly all Austrian drivers have been crying about their budgets.

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Who in Austria is able to find enough money for 1.6T WRC? Those are pretty expensive cars and as far as I recall nearly all Austrian drivers have been crying about their budgets.

That's true. But Mirek you forget the first Thinge austrian drivers are complaining about, the" dominance of Baumschlager." They think, that they can beat Baumschlager with a new WRC in an one off, but forget, that they won't be able to handle such a car if they aren't driving it regulary. So Mundl accepts it, because he knows he will Beat them also with aWRC.

[Mirek]

Let' see what comes out of that. The logic behind is strange.

[Ucci]

Eight (in eight) 911 win in Spain. In Rallye Villa de Llanes it was Vallejo time, but only in last stage he was able to get in front of Perez (Fiesta R5). Fuster came 3rd with his 911 and has become spanish champion (for the 5th time).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhm2rlyadqk

Congrats to both 911 drivers, Vallejo as a winner and of course, Fuster, who is a national champion. Porsche all the way......
So, R5 drivers still need some ''meat'' to eat.....

[tc10a]

Who in Austria is able to find enough money for 1.6T WRC? Those are pretty expensive cars and as far as I recall nearly all Austrian drivers have been crying about their budgets.

What i found is that Hermann Neubauer as well as Gerwald Groessing both already gave statements in Newspapers that they want to drive a 1.6 WRC if they are allowed. Maybe some "Gentleman Drivers" with big wallet also take the step to have some fun. Also it looks like 2.0l WRCs will be allowed as well as several other previously banned classes in future like GT Porsche. Generally open the Championship should be a good Thing.

[tc10a]

That's true. But Mirek you forget the first Thinge austrian drivers are complaining about, the" dominance of Baumschlager." They think, that they can beat Baumschlager with a new WRC in an one off, but forget, that they won't be able to handle such a car if they aren't driving it regulary. So Mundl accepts it, because he knows he will Beat them also with aWRC.

The funny side of the story for his opponents would be if Baumschlager himself then switches to WRC too :)

[Mirek]

What i found is that Hermann Neubauer as well as Gerwald Groessing both already gave statements in Newspapers that they want to drive a 1.6 WRC if they are allowed. Maybe some "Gentleman Drivers" with big wallet also take the step to have some fun. Also it looks like 2.0l WRCs will be allowed as well as several other previously banned classes in future like GT Porsche. Generally open the Championship should be a good Thing.

It's good thing for spectators but it's definitely wrong thing from sporting point of view. You can never make competition better by abandoning equal rules for everybody and go for a set of rules where each driver on top of the leaderboad may use car built and run according to different regulations. Baumschlager is an old man and if younger guys are not able to defeat him in a straight fight using cars under same regulations than it says quite a lot about them and their skills.

[tc10a]

It's good thing for spectators but it's definitely wrong thing from sporting point of view. You can never make competition better by abandoning equal rules for everybody and go for a set of rules where each driver on top of the leaderboad may use car built and run according to different regulations. Baumschlager is an old man and if younger guys are not able to defeat him in a straight fight using cars under same regulations than it says quite a lot about them and their skills.

Until now there is no final announcement of the regulations 2016. Best is to wait and see what is officially announced at the end of october / beginning of november. With no Jänner Rallye in 2016, the winter break is 2.5 months longer until first round at Rebenland Rallye (March 18th - 19th).

[Mirek]

You will see what it brings. As You may know we have here in CZ old WRC cars allowed. It definitely made the events nicer for spectators but on the other hand I think that it brought on top a lot of rich gentleman drivers while there is nobody young and promising using WRC car.

[WUff1]

It's good thing for spectators but it's definitely wrong thing from sporting point of view. You can never make competition better by abandoning equal rules for everybody and go for a set of rules where each driver on top of the leaderboad may use car built and run according to different regulations. Baumschlager is an old man and if younger guys are not able to defeat him in a straight fight using cars under same regulations than it says quite a lot about them and their skills.

It´s not (only) about skills, it´s more about economy and budget in my opinion. Baumschlager was the only driver, who has been able to build a business around rallying, and even this was a work of years. So now he´s the only one who can afford a structure similar to a works team, with big potent sponsors like Skoda Austria, Red Bull and Remus behind him.

Except for Grössing, I don´t think anyone could afford a WRC-car in Austria. Even Neubauer has to deal with an old Fiesta S2000, who is already rather prone to technical failures.

[Mirek]

It´s not (only) about skills, it´s more about economy and budget in my opinion. Baumschlager was the only driver, who has been able to build a business around rallying, and even this was a work of years. So now he´s the only one who can afford a structure similar to a works team, with big potent sponsors like Skoda Austria, Red Bull and Remus behind him.

Can't see how admitting cars twice more expensive than R5 can solve that.


Except for Grössing, I don´t think anyone could afford a WRC-car in Austria. Even Neubauer has to deal with an old Fiesta S2000, who is already rather prone to technical failures.

When I saw Neubauer's car during Barum I was thinking that it really didn't look well. It looked worn and used a lot. You could see they had lack of money on other things too. For example the box for spare parts was all rusty.

[dimviii]

Congrats to both 911 drivers, Vallejo as a winner and of course, Fuster, who is a national champion. Porsche all the way......
So, R5 drivers still need some ''meat'' to eat.....

pitty that you cant understant the obvious.

[WUff1]

After Jänner Rallye also Waldviertel Rallye, Austria´s other big rally, part of ERT, seems in jeopardy. Organizer Helmut Schöpf wrote in an Austrian rally forum, that he didn´t register Waldviertel Rallye 2016 neither at FIA nor at Austrian motorsport organization OSK.

[Mirek]

Shit... :(

[hari]

Gallery Herbst Rallye Dobersberg 2015:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_herbstrallye_dobersberg_2015.html
http://www.ir7.at/he15.jpg

Final results:
01. Sonnleitner / Foissner, Mitsubishi Evo IX 29:53:5
02. Schuberth-Mrlik / Welsersheimb, Subaru Impreza +2.6
03. Koch / Brunthaler, Skoda Fabia S2000 +10.3
04. Rigler / Rossgatterer, Peugeot 207 S2000 +16.6
05. Wagner / Aigner, Mitsubishi Evo VII +20.2
06. Zellhofer / Heigl, Ford Fiesta S2000 +32.4
07. Mühlberger / Thaller, Mitsubishi Evo VI +1:22.6
08. Feuchtner / Hechinger, Mitsubishi Evo VI +2:00.5
09. Kogler / Winter, Citroen DS3 R3T +2:13.3
10. Wagner / Wögerer, Mitsubishi Evo III +2:14.8

[WUff1]

Austrian rally calendar 2016, definitely without Waldviertel Rallye. So both international Austrian rallies are gone:

https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://www.rallyechallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kalender-2016-Rallye.pdf&hl=en

[tc10a]

Austrian rally calendar 2016, definitely without Waldviertel Rallye. So both international Austrian rallies are gone:
https://docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=http://www.rallyechallenge.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Kalender-2016-Rallye.pdf&hl=en

These are no final calenders. Just registrations at ASN for the Moment. There is still plenty of time to Register Waldviertel Rallye for 2016 even after this years Event. Don't judge too early...

[WUff1]

These are no final calenders. Just registrations at ASN for the Moment. There is still plenty of time to Register Waldviertel Rallye for 2016 even after this years Event. Don't judge too early...

So there´s still some hope, we´ll see.

[hari]

Video Herbst Rallye Dobersberg 2015 (A):
https://vimeo.com/141324345

http://www.ir7.at/he15vid.jpg (https://vimeo.com/141324345)

[tc10a]

Now its official, the regulations for 2016 Austrian Championship have been released: World Rallye Cars are back in austrian Championship for 2016. 1.6l cars as well as old 2.0l WRCs

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/06/oesterreicher-erlauben-wieder-wrc/

[garais22]

VIDEO: Nice fire show in ''Rally Classic'' by Lithuanian crew :)
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1095-video-lietuvas-rallija-ekipaza-nakts-atrumposma-parupejas-par-iespaidigu-uguns-sovu/

[danon]

http://s5.postimg.org/w4hyx4o93/rshu.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejhsdu-C23I)

[Rally Power]

Max speed Spain GT (no restrictor) Spain R4 (36mm) and Spain R5 (no pop-off) at Rallye de Llanes (videos by La Tula Sport)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MQrbFgrd70
Same for R2 cars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwIUFA25w6A

[MartijnS]

GTC Rally in the Netherlands is on his way. 6 stages done. Jasper vd Heuvel leads with the Evo X R4, second Hans Weijs jr with Fiesta R5 on 1 second :)
Tomorrow 10 stages to go.

[WUff1]

Next year WRC cars 2.0 l and 1.6 l are allowed in Austrian championship able to score full points.

Unfortunately Waldviertel Rallye really is in jeopardy says his organizer in an Austrian rally forum. He seems tired, let´s see.

[EightGear]

Still a nice fight between Weijs and Van den Heuvel.

Onboard of Weijs on stage 1 yesterday:

https://youtu.be/dfPWwIPtFIA

[Fly]

GTC Rally in the Netherlands is on his way. 6 stages done. Jasper vd Heuvel leads with the Evo X R4, second Hans Weijs jr with Fiesta R5 on 1 second :)
Tomorrow 10 stages to go.

Is Vd Heuvel's Evo R4 or N4? Written N4 on rallytiming.
Thanks for your answer.

[MartijnS]

Weijs wins in the end. Nice fight, but won with about 18 seconds advantage!
Probably a N4 than Fly, sorry just thought he was driving an R4 ;)

[KKSF]

Saaremaa rally 2015, Estonia
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sppBQeEo-ig

[MartijnS]

Some photos of the GTC Rally :)

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/gtcrally/68459996.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/gtcrally/50541446.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/gtcrally/66206000.jpg

More at our Facebook Page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) or our Website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/gtcrally/gtcrally.html) !

[garais22]

VIDEO: Tricky corner with many mistakes and some crashes
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1099-video-likums-kas-daudziem-sportistiem-sagadaja-lielas-galvassapes/

[JoostSchouten]

My video of the GTC Rally 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xIaQRE7OQ8

http://i57.tinypic.com/2z3tmw9.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xIaQRE7OQ8)

[faateris]

Saaremaa Rally / Estonia - photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[edgars944]

Some photos from Rally Saaremaa 2015:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.977675042290661.1073741925.531301770261326&type=3

[Tom206wrc]

The penultimate round of the danish championship is currently running ;)
http://www.rallyresult.dk/

[garais22]

Unfortunately Tommi Mäkinen Racing japanese crew Takamoto Katsuta / Sayaka Adachi has serious accident in rally Latvia and was taken to hospital. Get well soon!
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5119-rallija-latvija-uzvar-vorobjovs-japanu-ekipazai-smaga-avarija/

[garais22]

Here is the video from this horrifying crash for japanese crew Takamoto Katsuta / Sayaka Adachi in Rallijs Latvija :(
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/mustsee/rallijs/1104-video-japanu-ekipaza-rallija-latvija-piedzivo-smagu-avariju/

[dimviii]

Unfortunately Tommi Mäkinen Racing japanese crew Takamoto Katsuta / Sayaka Adachi has serious accident in rally Latvia and was taken to hospital. Get well soon!
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5119-rallija-latvija-uzvar-vorobjovs-japanu-ekipazai-smaga-avarija/

Lukyanuk as a co driver?
Son of Rovanpera faster from Sirmacis?

[garais22]

Lukyanuk as a co driver?
Son of Rovanpera faster from Sirmacis?

Yes, Lukyanuk in this rally was co-driver. He quite often teech Stas Travnikov and sometimes Lucas is co-driver.
Yes, Rovanpera in this rally was faster. After 1st day (32 km on tarmac), Rovanpera was 3rd overall!!! His father told me that Kalle never before test this car on tarmac :) http://www.autorally.lv/?m=4
And in 2nd day Sirmacis was faster then Rovanpera in all stages but 11 stage (longest of the rally) was cancelled. I think that if this stage not canceled, Sirmacis overtake Rovanpera.

[dimviii]

thanks garais22,nice info.

[KKSF]

Rally Latvia 2015.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ys8M61CZwOM
(Takamoto Katsuta - Sayaka Adachi (Tommi Makinen Racing OY) hard crash included)

[br21]

Japanese crew crashed really hard, driver was cut out from the car, but luckily they are already released from hospital. Both those TMR/GR crews were driving quite OK. Young Kalle is really impressive, he drives a lot, in different conditions and with different cars, has great teachers, etc. And for sure has huge talent!! We will see what future will bring for him, rumors say he will drive S2000 next year in Latvia if federation will allow.

[faateris]

Rally Latvia photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[Mirek]

An interview with Baumschlager about the new rules in ÖRM. My German is not very good but I can see a lot of bitterness in his words and it feels like a kind of resignation.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/27/baumschlager-irgendwie-einen-geldhahn-gefunden/

[WUff1]

An interview with Baumschlager about the new rules in ÖRM. My German is not very good but I can see a lot of bitterness in his words and it feels like a kind of resignation.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/27/baumschlager-irgendwie-einen-geldhahn-gefunden/

Yes, something like this - and a bit of propaganda against his only rivals Grössing and Neubauer, especially against the latter one.

[WUff1]

Entry list of Waldviertel Rallye, last run of Austrian championship:

http://www.waldviertel-rallye.at/cms/?p=6265

[tc10a]

An interview with Baumschlager about the new rules in ÖRM. My German is not very good but I can see a lot of bitterness in his words and it feels like a kind of resignation.
http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/27/baumschlager-irgendwie-einen-geldhahn-gefunden/

I won't call it resignation at all. For sure it is very interesting that those guys who wanted to save money on a lot of details in 2015 Championship now have the money for wrcs. But ok, it is good for the show and Baumschlager is very motivated as he can only be the winner of this new regulations. I'm convinced that he will still be on top in 2016, despite of his rivals in WRCs. I doubt that he was ever on the real limit in the last years in Austrian champ. As he said in the interview: maybe its time to get for the first time an insurance for his car and tighten the seatbelts :)

[WUff1]

Of course he will be on Top. Don´t forget at Jänner he regularly drove on the Podium against European rivals, except in 2012 or 2013, where he was beaten by Harrach in fight for 3rd place.

Neubauer and Grössing are not on Baumschlagers level. Harrach was, but he had to stop active rallying because of budget issues. Some other younger drivers could have been, but most of them dissapeared because of financial issues.

[dimviii]

An interview with Baumschlager about the new rules in ÖRM. My German is not very good but I can see a lot of bitterness in his words and it feels like a kind of resignation.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/27/baumschlager-irgendwie-einen-geldhahn-gefunden/

any summary from German speaking mates? Tried to translate via google but not so good translate.

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/oem/nachrichten/artikel/d/2015/10/28/groessing-mundl-im-wunderland/

[tolis]

I have heard that all the rules in ORM are made for Baumschlanger. I don't know if it's true or not. Is it? That's why Neubauer stopped driving in ORM.

[Mirek]

That's of course nonsense :)

Dimviii: He says something along this (if I remember it, no time to read it again now): Everybody was crying that it's too expensive so we cut stage distance, limit tyres etc. and now they come with a request for WRC. Maybe they found a treasure... I can not afford and I don't want a WRC car... Normally it's impossible to compete with WRC cars. I was able to be 0,5 sec/km faster than them but as WRC events show the WRC car itself is around 2 sec/km faster than R5... I'm about to speak with Škoda Austria about the future but if they support me it must be clearly stated that the title may be an impossible target...

[TWRC]

Also, when they (Neubauer & Grössing) were in front of Mundl (didn't occur on many occasions, but sometimes did), they either crashed out or made a mistake that dropped them behind him. What ÖRM desperately needs is a driver capable of beating Baumschlager regularly, without that, he's just clearly cruising. It was great when he had his battles against Harrach, both were pushing hard and driving spectaculary. Even back then Grössing in Beppo's sister car was miles away from them... But OK, let's see if this new rules package brings anything to the table. But one swallow doesn't make a summer.

[Tom206wrc]

Last round of the danish rallies championship this week-end ;)

[Jeppe]

And here will be results of Rally Denmark:

http://rallyresult.dk/results.aspx?eventid=415

[tc10a]

I have heard that all the rules in ORM are made for Baumschlanger. I don't know if it's true or not. Is it? That's why Neubauer stopped driving in ORM.

Completely bullsh...

[tc10a]

That's of course nonsense :)

Dimviii: He says something along this (if I remember it, no time to read it again now): Everybody was crying that it's too expensive so we cut stage distance, limit tyres etc. and now they come with a request for WRC. Maybe they found a treasure... I can not afford and I don't want a WRC car... Normally it's impossible to compete with WRC cars. I was able to be 0,5 sec/km faster than them but as WRC events show the WRC car itself is around 2 sec/km faster than R5... I'm about to speak with Škoda Austria about the future but if they support me it must be clearly stated that the title may be an impossible target...

Not fully correct in all points, short summary:

He said that normally with a top guy in each car the difference can be up to 2s / km between R5 and WRC. As he was about 0.5-06s/km in front of his opponents, they should have about 1.5s/km spare to loose in the Corners ;)

He still has to negotiate his 2016 Programme with Skoda and his sponsors on November 9th. But if they want to continue (what i think is certain) than he will take the fight. He has the advantage that he has nothing to loose. He has nothing to prove anymore. On the other side he knows that he is ambitious and it may happen that he will use an insurance the first time for his car and tightens the seat belts even closer.

At the end he made some funny quote: Being asked what will happen if he gains another title in Austria, he stated maybe his rivals wants him to cut off a Hand :)

[WUff1]

Of course rules in Austria wouldn´t have been changed without Baumschlager´s OK, but I think it would have been the same for instance in Belgium with Loix or other countries.

Problem in Austria is mainly about money. Stohl Racing completely retired from rallying (except for China), Harrach´s Fiesta R5 and Stohl´s DS3 R5 stand in their garages all year long, potential rivals don´t manage to get a budget or fail after some time (Harrach, Andreas Aigner, Chris Brugger, Franz Wittmann jun. etc.) , the two biggest rallies are either gone (Jänner Rallye) or in jeopardy for 2016 (Waldviertel Rallye) and so on.

[MartijnS]

Some photos of yesterdays Twente Rally in the Netherlands.
Win for Erik van Loon in front of Jasper vd Heuvel who became Dutch champion.

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/twenterally/99231676.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/twenterally/16278786.jpg

http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/twenterally/25044432.jpg

Some more at our Facebook Page (http://facebook.com/rallymedia) or our Website (http://www.rallymedia.nl/images/2015/twenterally/twenterally.html) !

[JoostSchouten]

And the Rallymedia video department is here too! ;)

Click here for the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7HKTA0I3k
http://i66.tinypic.com/e0shn8.jpg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em7HKTA0I3k)

[focus206]

Also, when they (Neubauer & Grössing) were in front of Mundl (didn't occur on many occasions, but sometimes did), they either crashed out or made a mistake that dropped them behind him. What ÖRM desperately needs is a driver capable of beating Baumschlager regularly, without that, he's just clearly cruising. It was great when he had his battles against Harrach, both were pushing hard and driving spectaculary. Even back then Grössing in Beppo's sister car was miles away from them... But OK, let's see if this new rules package brings anything to the table. But one swallow doesn't make a summer.

I still wouldn't be surprised if Baumschlager wins the 2016 championship even with other Austrian drivers in WRCs. Any news on Andreas Aigner?

[WUff1]

No News - his WRC funding campaign didn´t work, but he obviously doesn´t even find the budget for an ERC or on a lesser level an Austrian national program. A bit similar to Harrach.

[Andre Oliveira]

If exists a guy that can buy a VW Polo WRC privateer, it is Baumschlager.

[Mirek]

That's a bit funny statement when we have in the sport some guys who can buy the whole VW Motorsport...

[vino_93]

About private VW, I read a rumor that kenyan Manvir Singh Baryan could buy one (and Laukkanen would drive his Fiesta R5).

[WUff1]

Simon Wagner is showing his great talent at Rally Waldviertel, last run of Austrian championship:

http://www.waldviertel-rallye.at/2015/results/ss3.htm

After day 1 (3 stages) with his old Mitsu Evo VII on 6th position, leaving 3 R5/S2000 cars behind him. OK it´s gravel, but it´s still a great show by him.

[hari]

Gallery: Rallye Waldviertel 2015:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rallye_waldviertel_2015.html
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_orm_rallye_waldviertel_2015.html

http://www.ir7.at/w415.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rallye_waldviertel_2015.html)

Final results:
01. Raimund Baumschlager/Thomas Zeltner AUT/AUT Skoda Fabia R5 1:33:13,3 Std
02. Attila Rongits/Hannus László UNG/UNG Mitsubishi Evo IX +1:43,7 Min
03. Chr. Schuberth-Mrlik/Tobias Unterweger AUT/AUT Subaru Impreza WRX +1:47,8 Min
04. Michael Böhm/Katrin Becker AUT/DEU Ford Fiesta S2000 +2:00,6 Min
05. Niki Mayr-Melnhof/Leopold Welsersheimb AUT/AUT Ford Fiesta R5 +2:42,6 Min
06. Julian Wagner/Jürgen Heigl AUT/AUT Mitsubishi Evo V +5:00,9 Min
07. Karl Wagner/Gerda Zauner AUT/AUT Ford Fiesta R5 +6:56,0 Min
08. Julius Tannert/Jennifer Thielen DEU/DEU Opel Adam R2 +7:09,5 Min
09. Marijan Griebel/Stefan Clemens DEU/DEU Opel Adam R2 +8:29,4 Min
10. Walter Mayer/Bernhard Ettel AUT/AUT Peugeot 208 T16 R5 +9:28,6 Min

[WUff1]

Simon Wagner had to retire, but his younger brother Julian Wagner showed his talent, too, with finishing 6th.

Walter Mayer drove a 208 T16, not an Evo VII, by the way.

[hari]

Video Rallye Waldviertel 2015:
https://vimeo.com/145045555

http://www.ir7.at/w415v.jpg (https://vimeo.com/145045555)

[Rally Power]

On the last spanish rally (Rallye Comunidade de Madrid) another win by a 911 (9 wins in 9 rallys)! Ares, former Galiza champ, win it and got 2nd place in spain rally championship (already win by Fuster's 911).
2wd title for the Suzuki guy, Antuxtegi (Swift S1600) and the Junior crown to Paniceres (Adam R2).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTyaoEUWEAA7fzs.jpg

Next year probable changes at regs. 911's closer to FIA regs. R5 cars should be the faster ones.

[garais22]

Young and talented Kalle Rovanpera (15) winter season in Latvia will start with S2000 car. If results will be ok, then maybe he will do all rounds with S2000
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5237-rovanpera-ziemas-rallija-sezonu-latvija-saks-ar-s2000-klases-automasinu/

[mousti]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVzaj2fUAAAd2Ol.png

[KKSF]

KKSF HD rally season 2015 review with some action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqBtZyvJ35o

[martini2771]

Motors&Sports season review: 4 countries, lots of action:
http://motorsunsports.lv/video/season-review-2015

[Mirek]

Finally Czech ANS released calendars: http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=17823

Czech championship:
29.-30.04. Rallye Šumava Klatovy
28.-29.05. 44. Rallye Český Krumlov
17.-19.06. Agrotec Petronas Rally Hustopeče
01.-03.07. Rally Bohemia Mladá Boleslav
26.-28.08. Barum Czech Rally Zlín
30.9-1.10. Rally Příbram

Rallysprints
15.-16.04. Valašská Rallye
13.-14.05. XXIV. Rally Vyškov
29.-30.07. XXXVII. EPLcond Rally Agropa
16.-17.09. X. Rally Jeseníky
14.-15.10. XIII. Partr Rally Vsetín
28.-29.10. Rallysprint Most (new event, not yet confirmed)

Historics
29.-30.04. Historic Vltava Rallye Klatovy
28.-29.05. 44. Rallye Český Krumlov
01.-02.07. Rally Bohemia Mladá Boleslav
29.-30.07. XXXVI. EPLcond Rally Agropa
26.-27.08. Star Rally Historic
30.9-1.10. Rally Příbram
14.-15.10. XIII. Partr Rally Vsetín

Free events
26.03. VII. Testovací RZ Žiželice
July Rally Krušné Hory
19.-20.11. Global Assistance Setkání mistrů
02.-03.12. XXII. TipCars Pražský Rallysprint
10.12. Mikuláš Rally Slušovice

[dimviii]

Tzambazis bought a brand new skoda fabia r5 for selected rounds at Greece and Italy.

http://www.4troxoi.gr/sites/default/files/images/articles/images/2015/12/tzampazis_preview_2.jpg

[rallysupportnl]

Best of Rally 2015

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwxAR6Uvmto

[Mirek]

Some Hungarian craziness from Szilveszter rally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQDOI7LbuO0

[MartijnS]

That's what makes rallying so much fun, corner where you can easily stay for every car. We miss that in the Netherlands haha..

[rallysupportnl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbtsxBZXiIU

[WUff1]

With return of Mühlviertel Sprintrallye 100, 29.-30.07.2016, part of Austrian sprint championship, there´s some kind of succesor to Jänner Rallye, nearly in the same area (a bit more south, but former southern stages of Jänner Rallye are just some 15-20 km away from rally HQ Perg).

[AL14]

Italian Rally thread is lost again?
It would not be too much a bug actually. If the new rules will be official (I fear they already are) it should not be called a rally champioship.

[Ucci]

Italian Rally thread is lost again?
It would not be too much a bug actually. If the new rules will be official (I fear they already are) it should not be called a rally champioship.
Italian thread is very alive, expect this season great fights between Scandola and Andreucci. Plus Rossetti, there are some rumors that he will be driving ex-Basso Fiesta....

[RS]

What is Basso doing?

[AL14]

What is Basso doing?

No one knows. Rossetti's rumors are just rumors at the moment although it seems it's not just speculation. No official release yet from both Basso or BRC by the way.

[Rally Power]

Rossetti entering MC in Clio Cup final. Interesting to watch!

[Zigz]

Kalle Rovanperä won rallysprint Aluksne in Latvia today. He won all 8 stages. Very impressive :)

1.Rovanperä Skoda fabia s2000 35.35.25
2.Sirmacis Mitsu evo 9 + 1.10,19
3.Berkis Mitsu evo 9 + 1,41,96
4.Neiksans Mitsu evo 9 + 2,20,57
5.Gryazin Peugeot 208 r2 + 2,47,68
6.Kisiels Skoda fabia r5 + 2,48,54

[dimviii]

no problems for Sirmacis and Neiksans? impressive pace for his age!

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Is Kalle allowed to drive rally Liepaja or is he too young for that?

[garais22]

no problems for Sirmacis and Neiksans? impressive pace for his age!

No big problems, maybe small things...
But this was 1st rally for Māris Neikšāns after 4 years...

Here some photos http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/photo/rallijs/1087-rally-aluksne-2016/

[Mirek]

Still crazy to see the pace of Kalle. Some big things are about to come from him as it seems!

[OldF]

Kalle Rovanperä - Skoda S2000 Test | Kuusamo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwbSDi80c44

[KKSF]

Kalle Rovanpera won Rally Aluksne 2016 driving Skoda S2000.
Rally Aluksne 2016 with mistakes, close calls, action, max attack.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQXiZV0TPvg

[dimviii]

some subarus at this video are converted with another N/A engine?

[DonJippo]

Still crazy to see the pace of Kalle. Some big things are about to come from him as it seems!

Incar from SS8 very clean run https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Qi-zXmE3M , maybe next Skoda works driver from Finland?

[evoIX]

With return of Mühlviertel Sprintrallye 100, 29.-30.07.2016, part of Austrian sprint championship, there´s some kind of succesor to Jänner Rallye, nearly in the same area (a bit more south, but former southern stages of Jänner Rallye are just some 15-20 km away from rally HQ Perg).
Will be something new in Austrian Rally Championship this year,or Baumschlager again without any real competition

[PLuto]

Will be something new in Austrian Rally Championship this year,or Baumschlager again without any real competition

There are WRC cars allowed. But I think that Mundl will win again...

[garais22]

First Mitsubishi Mirage in Baltic States!
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5377-vorobjovs-jaunajai-sezonai-uzbuvejis-baltija-vel-neredzetu-rallija-automasinu/

[Rally Power]

First Mitsubishi Mirage in Baltic States!
http://www.go4speed.lv/lv/news/rallijs/5377-vorobjovs-jaunajai-sezonai-uzbuvejis-baltija-vel-neredzetu-rallija-automasinu/

http://www.go4speed.lv/data/news/mirage-tests-0350_2.jpg
Nice! Is it a home made project with Evo mechanics?

This one looks even better! A Samsonas built 4wd Bimmer?
http://www.go4speed.lv/data/news/1914338-1795974417296555-8782879042375265361-n-1729_2.jpg

[JUF]

The incredible Kalle Rovanperä has won Rally Sarma: http://autorally.lv/?m=4

[KKSF]

Rally Sarma-2016, Latvia was won by K.Rovanpera.
KKSF HD video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7q0n0sY6U4

[br21]

Our BMW is not only looking nice, but it's already pretty fast car. And it still has big reserves!
Mirage is also nice project, evoX mechanical parts and Mirage body prepared by Dytko Sport.
And about Rovanpera... I told it already few times here... huge talent, really hard to imagine where are his limits.

[mousti]

Our BMW is not only looking nice, but it's already pretty fast car. And it still has big reserves!
Mirage is also nice project, evoX mechanical parts and Mirage body prepared by Dytko Sport.
And about Rovanpera... I told it already few times here... huge talent, really hard to imagine where are his limits.
Is it right that the older Impreza's two of them for sure, has a BMW engine in it?

[Rally Power]

Our BMW is not only looking nice, but it's already pretty fast car. And it still has big reserves!


Congrats mate! For the Bimmer and for that hugely impressive driving!

https://youtu.be/FL6HnngNXvs

https://scontent-mad1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/12507658_1039198019435613_9170424365798314557_n.jp g?oh=674f08d9976b02f7dfd0ccb7218a57a3&oe=5749DBB1

[br21]

Is it right that the older Impreza's two of them for sure, has a BMW engine in it?

You mean GC8 imprezas? In Latvia I think there is cup/class for those cars with non turbo engines, but they are original Subaru ones.

[mousti]

You mean GC8 imprezas? In Latvia I think there is cup/class for those cars with non turbo engines, but they are original Subaru ones.

Hmm could be, it sounds like there are BMW engines in it :p

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[faateris]

Rally SARMA photos - http://janisasaris.com/jaunumi

JA

[JUF]

Hermann Neubauer will take part in six rounds of Austrian Rally Championship with a Ford Fiesta RS WRC owned by Zellhofer Racing.

[dimviii]

Hermann Neubauer will take part in six rounds of Austrian Rally Championship with a Ford Fiesta RS WRC owned by Zellhofer Racing.

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/t31.0-8/12496193_10153895243169666_7149001452277582308_o.j pg

[Ucci]

Ops, that might be some serious competition for Mr.Baumschlager.

[Mirek]

Let's see if in the end he isn't the only one for whom the rules were changed...

[tc10a]

And now a Polo WRC to Mr. Baumschlager, please :)

[stefanvv]

And now a Polo WRC to Mr. Baumschlager, please :)

I'm afraid we won't see any Alps scenery from the onboards then.

[Jarek Z]

Hermann Neubauer will take part in six rounds of Austrian Rally Championship with a Ford Fiesta RS WRC owned by Zellhofer Racing.

It seems the only chance for Neubauer to be faster than 56-year-old Baumschlager was to get a faster car.

[WUff1]

http://salzburg.orf.at/news/stories/2755678/

Maybe he´ll win some rallies, but I´d bet that Baumschlager wins the championship nonetheless.

[WUff1]

So Neubauer was the driver who was thinking of buying Vaclav Pech´s Mini before:

http://www.motorline.cc/rallye/news/2016/Rallye-%25C3%2596M/Rallye-M-News-Hermann-Neubauer-startet-2016-im-WRC-202090.html

[liposh]

The situation itself is very interesting. Is the Austrian title worth it? Worth all these money? Can You be satisfied when beating old guy with less powerful car?

BTW off topic : I know one guy who can do it opposite way :D Martin Koci from Slovakia. I know I am talking about him quite often but the way he humiliated everybody in Valasska rally and nearly repeted it in Rally Vsetin (where he lost only with Tomastik with Subaru Impreza 06 WRC who lives exactly there) really impressed me. ...TOPIC ON

[PLuto]

The situation itself is very interesting. Is the Austrian title worth it? Worth all these money? Can You be satisfied when beating old guy with less powerful car?

BTW off topic : I know one guy who can do it opposite way :D Martin Koci from Slovakia. I know I am talking about him quite often but the way he humiliated everybody in Valasska rally and nearly repeted it in Rally Vsetin (where he lost only with Tomastik with Subaru Impreza 06 WRC who lives exactly there) really impressed me. ...TOPIC ON

Kopecky is beating all czech "old" WRC machinery on every event where he starts. Also Pech was doing the same with Mini...

[liposh]

You are right Pluto but it is much more complicated case (You know what I mean, Kopecky in factory Skoda and Pech for around 20 years in Czech championship and all WRC in CZ being half-dead) Ask yourself, would Kopecky in R5 or Pech in his Mini RRC beat Kostka in C4 WRC? That is the real question. And honestly, I don´t know the answer. Anyway no need to argue. We both understand each other. You are definitely right.

[evoIX]

And then,who bought Vaclav Pech´s Mini ?

[dj_masch_hr]

Season in Croatia is due to start in 3 weeks (4. & 5. of March). More than 60 crews at this time, the entries will close in 26. of February. It is a sprint rally, but very spectator friendly with SS's on walking distance from service park and start/finish ramp.

Provisional entry list:

http://www.rally-kumrovec.com/2016/index.php/en/competitors/entry-list

Video teaser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8U9Mv5kzvQ

Official web site:

http://www.rally-kumrovec.com/2016/index.php/en/competitors/entry-list

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/rally.kumrovec/

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Grössing will be the second driver in the austrian championship, who will drive a Fiesta WRC this year.

[Rally Power]

Spanish ASN outlawed 911’s in tarmac championship but (fortunately) still allows N+ Evo’s and Impreza’s at gravel series. 2 Evo’s in front of 3 R5’s on this year CERT opening event Rallye Tierras Altas de Lorca. http://www.atodomotor.com/contenidos/noticias/2790/FinalLorca.pdf

[hari]

Schneerosen Rallye 2016 - first round of Austrian Rallye Challenge:

Final results:
01. Roman Odlozilik/Martin Turecek (CZE/CZE, Ford Fiesta R5) 58,15,6 Minuten
02. Martin Fischerlehner/Tobias Unterweger (A/A, Mitsubishi Carisma GT) +9,6 Sekunden
03. Gerald Rigler/Martin Rossgatterer (A/A, Ford Fiesta S2000) +12,5
04. Roman Mühlberger/Natalie Mayrhofer (A/A, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VI) +29,7
05. Daniel Fischer/Zoltan Buna (HUN/HUN, Subaru Impreza GC8) +1:08,0 Minuten
06. Ondrej Bisaha/Lukas Sintal (CZE/SVK, Skoda Fabia S2000) +2:07,7
07. Michael Kogler/Anja Hechinger (A/D, Citroen DS3 R3T) +3:21,9
08. Karoly Kocsomba/Peter Bardos (HUN/HUN, Mitsubishi Lancer Evo VII) +4:12,5
09. Patrik Rujbr/Veronika Rimalova (CZE/CZE, Renault Clio R3T) +4:24,0
10. Karel Kupec/Karolina Jugasova (CZE/CZE, Peugeot 208 R2) +5:21,8

Gallery: http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_schneerosen_rallye_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/sr16.jpg (http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_arc_schneerosen_rallye_2016.html)

[hari]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye, 18./19.03.2016 - Opening round of the Austrian Rally Championship 2016:

http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2016/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Raimund Baumschlager, Skoda Fabia R5
Hermann Neubauer, Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing, Ford Fiesta WRC
Niki Mayr-Melnhof, Ford Fiesta R5
Miroslav Jakes, Citroen DS3 R5
Maximilian Koch, Skoda Fabia S2000
Gerald Rigler, Peugeot 207 S2000
Hermann Gassner, Mitsubishi Evo X
Manuel Kössler, Subaru Impreza R4
Krisztian Hideg, Mitsubishi Evo IX

76 entries in total

[dimviii]

https://scontent-cdg2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/12804722_10153957573769666_7920172170238045027_n.j pg?oh=bcc267ef223c35eff0d258a61df219a1&oe=57581195

[Fiat-131-Abarth]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye, 18./19.03.2016 - Opening round of the Austrian Rally Championship 2016:

http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2016/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Raimund Baumschlager, Skoda Fabia R5
Hermann Neubauer, Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing, Ford Fiesta WRC
Niki Mayr-Melnhof, Ford Fiesta R5
Miroslav Jakes, Citroen DS3 R5
Maximilian Koch, Skoda Fabia S2000
Gerald Rigler, Peugeot 207 S2000
Hermann Gassner, Mitsubishi Evo X
Manuel Kössler, Subaru Impreza R4
Krisztian Hideg, Mitsubishi Evo IX

76 entries in total

I'm really curious what Jakes can reach at the Rebenland Rallye. I think the roads there should fit the DS 3 much better than the roads in the Czech Republic.

[EightGear]

Christian Riedemann will use the first round of the Dutch championship to get to know his 208 R5 better.

Also Dennis Kuipers is on the list of the Zuiderzee Rally (former Tank S Rally).

[Mirek]

Spectacular video of first Valoušek's test with Fabia R5: https://www.facebook.com/MMRallyTeam/videos/998271786930557/

He says in the video that this isn't test for Eger but to learn the car as Eger is different than this road (quite obviously). Eger will be the first rally for him. As a bonus watch the smile of the co-driver on onboards :p

[Rally Power]

With 911's being severely restricted (the only remaining Porsche driver is Burgo), the R5 fever is now starting on Spain tarmac championship (CERA). Besides RMC Fiesta's (Ares, Aguado and Perez), former Porsche champion Sergio Vallejo announced his comeback to the series on a DS3 (from portuguese Sports&You team). ARVidal has one Fabia available to rent.

Mitsubishi (throught RMC) is backing GrN+ (36mm R4 with seq gearbox) drivers Garcia (Canarias winner) and Monarri. ARVidal is running 2 Swift S1600 for Suzuki. The 2 top spanish tuners are also developing N5 (MR) cars, but regs were'nt still closed by RFEA.

[dimviii]

former Porsche champion Sergio Vallejo announced his comeback to the series on a DS3 (from portuguese Sports&You team). ARVidal has one Fabia available to rent.
.

nice move.Hopefully they follow this move more drivers from gt cars,to strength the championship.
Thats why they have to be restricted.

[Rally Power]

nice move.Hopefully they follow this move more drivers from gt cars,to strength the championship.
Thats why they have to be restricted.

Like I’ve said in another topic, Gt’s should be restricted but there was no need to undermine them this way.

CERA it’s a long and expensive series and R5’s running costs almost double 911’s. It won’t be easy to get the same number of regular title contenders as past years. Let’s wait and hope for the best.

[hari]

Gallery: Raimund Baumschlager testing for Rebenland Rallye
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_brr_test_vor_rebenland_rallye_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/reb16pet.jpg

[dj_masch_hr]

Entry List Rebenland Rallye, 18./19.03.2016 - Opening round of the Austrian Rally Championship 2016:

http://www.rebenland-rallye.at/2016/nennliste.html

Leading entries:
Raimund Baumschlager, Skoda Fabia R5
Hermann Neubauer, Ford Fiesta WRC
Gerwald Grössing, Ford Fiesta WRC
Niki Mayr-Melnhof, Ford Fiesta R5
Miroslav Jakes, Citroen DS3 R5
Maximilian Koch, Skoda Fabia S2000
Gerald Rigler, Peugeot 207 S2000
Hermann Gassner, Mitsubishi Evo X
Manuel Kössler, Subaru Impreza R4
Krisztian Hideg, Mitsubishi Evo IX

76 entries in total

Hideg has won round 1 of Croatian champioship 10 days ago in Kumrovec. Here is 50 min footage in Croatian, but foreign drivers speak English, so you'll be able to understand them :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc9cESxvXQ0&feature=youtu.be

[fansosek]

Video of Schneerosen Rally 2016
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n14VNduUC4U

[WUff1]

Results Rebenland Rallye, starting today in the early afternoon: http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2016/index.htm

[dimviii]

With 911's being severely restricted (the only remaining Porsche driver is Burgo), the R5 fever is now starting on Spain tarmac championship (CERA). Besides RMC Fiesta's (Ares, Aguado and Perez), former Porsche champion Sergio Vallejo announced his comeback to the series on a DS3 (from portuguese Sports&You team). ARVidal has one Fabia available to rent.

Mitsubishi (throught RMC) is backing GrN+ (36mm R4 with seq gearbox) drivers Garcia (Canarias winner) and Monarri. ARVidal is running 2 Swift S1600 for Suzuki. The 2 top spanish tuners are also developing N5 (MR) cars, but regs were'nt still closed by RFEA.

any news from Spain?

[TWRC]

Results Rebenland Rallye, starting today in the early afternoon: http://results.rebenland-rallye.at/2016/index.htm
Neubauer doing what was expected from him so far, but Grössing even with a WRC can't beat Mundl, or did he have a problem? Jakes in 4th is decent as well, and good little fight between Hideg and Gassner too.

[liposh]

Ir7.at released video from first day and from the very first few shots you can see Neubauer has fast car and is not afraid to use it . The difference between him and Mundl is visible by "naked" eye. ...but that was obvious even before I told you so :D

[WUff1]

Grössing is more like a gentleman-driver, whereas Neubauer has started his most important season.

[Jarek Z]

Grössing even with a WRC can't beat Mundl, or did he have a problem?

Yes, his problem is big wallet and small skills ;)

[Mirek]

Hari's video from leg 1 of Rebenland: https://vimeo.com/159538394

[Rally Power]

Only 3 SS to go on Rallye Villa de Adeje (Spain/Canarias champs).

Like last week, Cruz in the unrestricted 911 is the overall leader, ahead of Garcia Evo N+. Garcia leads the spanish field 47s ahead of Ares Fiesta R5 and more than 1m on Burgo restricted 911.

Monzon in a Mini WRC was the first overall leader but retired with a broken axle shaft (strangely his times are no longer visible).

Live timing: http://www.tiemposonline.com/rallyes/adeje16/

1st leg video: https://youtu.be/rGVHfrIJmRY

[dimviii]

Only 3 SS to go on Rallye Villa de Adeje (Spain/Canarias champs).

Like last week, Cruz in the unrestricted 911 is the overall leader, ahead of Garcia Evo N+. Garcia leads the spanish field 47s ahead of Ares Fiesta R5 and more than 1m on Burgo restricted 911.

Monzon in a Mini WRC was the first overall leader but retired with a broken axle shaft (strangely his times are no longer visible).

Live timing: http://www.tiemposonline.com/rallyes/adeje16/

1st leg video: https://youtu.be/rGVHfrIJmRY

what bhp has the restricted 911?

[Ucci]

what bhp has the restricted 911?

depense on the engine (3,6l or 3,8l) between 350-370...for pussys...

[Mirek]

Do they have smaller restrictor than FIA R-GT cars? Dumas had 390 Hp with FIA restrictor.

EDIT: Afaik Dumas had 4.0 liter.

[dimviii]

Burgos 911 isnt a 3,8 liter?

[Rally Power]

It's done. Another fine win for Garcia in RMC's Evo N+, 43s ahead of Ares R5 Fiesta and 1m29s in front of Burgo 911 (3.8l/41.2mm). Overall and Canarias champ win for Cruz, in his unrestricted 3.8 911 (ex Vallejo car), more than 1m ahead of Garcia.

There is no official power numbers about '16 restricted 911's, but RFEA aim was to put 3.8 models (based in 2010 cup cars) close to 400hp with the 41.2mm restrictor. It seems they've done it, as most of former 911's drivers claim a loss of 50 to 60 hp (the previous power estimation was a bit over 450hp).

But the major complain doesn't came from max power loss but the way restrictor use affects power delivery, making the car less effective and more difficult to drive. Comparing Burgo's and Cruz's fastest times on the 2 Canarias rounds, it's clear that '16 restricted car looses more than 1s/km.

3.6 models (based in 2008 cup cars) also got a 40.8mm restrictor, and even if max power came closer to 2010 cars and they weight 20kg less (1250/1270), their chassis was always considered less efficient.

[WUff1]

Final results of Rebenland Rallye, first round of Austrian championship:

debut wins in total and 2WD-class

1. Neubauer/B. Ettel Ford Fiesta WRC AUT
2. Baumschlager/T. Zeltner Škoda Fabia R5 AUT
+36.3
3. Grössing/S. Schwarz Ford Fiesta WRC AUT
4. M. Jakes/J. Novak Citroën DS3 R5 CZE
5. H. Gassner/K. Thannhäuser Mitsubishi EVO X R4 GER
6. K. Hideg /I. Kerek HRV (I thought he is Hungarian - driving with Croatian licenses?) Mitsubishi Evo IX
7. M. Koch /L. Brunthaler Škoda Fabia S2000 GER
8. S. Wagner/U. Mayrhofer Citroën DS3R3 MAX AUT

Congrats to Hermann Neubauer and Simon Wagner!

[Ucci]

Big congrats to Mr.Neubauer! He deservs this victory-it is an important step for his career.
I had a pleasure to witness four stages in live and all I can say : Neubauer was atacking all time, he was very agressive, braking late...on the other I can not say same for Mundl and Grossing. Speaking for Grössing-did anybody notice that his Fiesta sounded different compare to Neubauer's??
Second one who impressed me-Böhm with small Opel Adam!
Overall very nice event, perfect weather, not a lot of spectators.....
Next event-Lavantal rally. I expect total attack from Baumschlager. Now he is a hunter....

[WUff1]

Maximilian Koch excluded.

I think this was one of the most important rallies of Neubauers´career. Yes, Baumschlager will attack to the max next time.

[Mirek]

Why was Koch excluded?

[dimviii]

It's done. Another fine win for Garcia in RMC's Evo N+, 43s ahead of Ares R5 Fiesta and 1m29s in front of Burgo 911 (3.8l/41.2mm). Overall and Canarias champ win for Cruz, in his unrestricted 3.8 911 (ex Vallejo car), more than 1m ahead of Garcia.

There is no official power numbers about '16 restricted 911's, but RFEA aim was to put 3.8 models (based in 2010 cup cars) close to 400hp with the 41.2mm restrictor. It seems they've done it, as most of former 911's drivers claim a loss of 50 to 60 hp (the previous power estimation was a bit over 450hp).

But the major complain doesn't came from max power loss but the way restrictor use affects power delivery, making the car less effective and more difficult to drive. Comparing Burgo's and Cruz's fastest times on the 2 Canarias rounds, it's clear that '16 restricted car looses more than 1s/km.

3.6 models (based in 2008 cup cars) also got a 40.8mm restrictor, and even if max power came closer to 2010 cars and they weight 20kg less (1250/1270), their chassis was always considered less efficient.

so more than 1sec/km the restricted from unrestricted 911s.
Restricted ones with circa 350 bhp looses at dry tarmac asphalt from N+ with 350 bhp and more weight.
about the ''different way to drive'' the restricted ones,nothing new.Same applies for every car.If you drive a restricted 350bhp evo with an unrestricted 350bhp evo is different.
Now we will see who have the guts.Because with 120 bhp more plenty thought that they had ''guts'' and they were heroes.No more winners at straights with the huge power advantage.
Welcome to reality.

[rallysupportnl]

Zuiderzee Rally 2016 (NL) won by Dennis Kuipers (Ford Fiesta RS WRC)

Crash Muilwijk (BMW M3 E46):
http://i63.tinypic.com/2vkjod4.jpg (https://youtu.be/8NVkVASY_tk)

Video highlights:
http://i68.tinypic.com/168h16c.jpg (https://youtu.be/jfWA7f_lylw)

[WUff1]

Why was Koch excluded?

Driving against direction in SS12
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/4c7121soq4gyhsf/AAAh8w35QGhbtAyX_kmXWiNsa/Decision%20Entscheidung%20no.%202.pdf?dl=0

[hari]

Gallery: Rebenland Rallye 2016 - IR7.at:
http://www.ir7.at/content/fotos_bestof_orm_rebenland_rallye_2016.html

http://www.ir7.at/reb16.jpg

[WRCstratos]

Looks like we are about to see the most interesting Austrian Championship since 2002 this year. I'm really looking forward to Lavanttal Rallye already ;)

Here is my video from Rebenland:


http://img.youtube.com/vi/zS6_99eGtMQ/hqdefault.jpg (https://youtu.be/zS6_99eGtMQ)
https://youtu.be/zS6_99eGtMQ

[Jarek Z]

Big congrats to Mr.Neubauer! He deservs this victory-it is an important step for his career.


Do you really think Neubauer deserves this victory? He has been competing for years and couldn't beat almost 60-year-old Baumschlager when they were driving cars of the same class. So he bought a better car and can win now. Can you even call it SPORT?

[hari]

Video Rebenland Rallye 2016 - 12 Min.:
https://vimeo.com/159681583

http://www.ir7.at/reb16v.jpg (https://vimeo.com/159681583)

[tc10a]

Do you really think Neubauer deserves this victory? He has been competing for years and couldn't beat almost 60-year-old Baumschlager when they were driving cars of the same class. So he bought a better car and can win now. Can you even call it SPORT?

36 seconds advantage after 170 km of stages with World Rally Car against R5 does not sound too impressive, i have to admit.
The second WRC way down on place 3. Hats off to Baumschlager.

I would not be suprised if at the end of the season, he is again champion with all the reliability.

[dimviii]

Do you really think Neubauer deserves this victory? He has been competing for years and couldn't beat almost 60-year-old Baumschlager when they were driving cars of the same class. So he bought a better car and can win now. Can you even call it SPORT?

its exactly the same when 420 bhp 911 competing against r5 at dry asphalt.
And yes thats not fair.

[WUff1]

Of course it´s not fair, but it also wasn´t fair in previous years when Baumschlager with his Fabia R5/S2000 was competing only against 2WD-cars.
In 2016 it´s not fair in 2WD-class too, where multiple 2WD-champion Böhm has to compete with an Adam R2 against R3-cars.

In 2014, when Neubauer first used his old Fiesta S2000, he regularly was leading rallies in front of Baumschlager, but always lost his nerves when he felt Baumschlager´s pressure too much, he had some misfortune too.
I also think that Baumschlager is the fastest driver and wouldn´t be surprised if in the end he leads the championship again, but he still has the biggest budget and his team regularly competes on an international level, the only one in Austria after Stohl´s retiring.

Baumschlager also was thinking about changing to a WRC car too, but as everyone knows he is strongly linked with Skoda and also is sponsored by Skoda Austria.

[Mirek]

He is an old man and nobody grows faster in his age especially when You have things like night stages. If young drivers can't beat him it is a clear indication that his budget wasn't the main factor why he kept winning.

[Rally Power]

so more than 1sec/km the restricted from unrestricted 911s.
Restricted ones with circa 350 bhp looses at dry tarmac asphalt from N+ with 350 bhp and more weight.
about the ''different way to drive'' the restricted ones,nothing new.Same applies for every car.If you drive a restricted 350bhp evo with an unrestricted 350bhp evo is different.
Now we will see who have the guts.Because with 120 bhp more plenty thought that they had ''guts'' and they were heroes.No more winners at straights with the huge power advantage.
Welcome to reality.

You can see the things the other way, when a restricted 911 can’t match an N+Evo it has nothing to do with the driving, it's just a clear sign of how hugely that car was undermine by regs.

Honestly I think this rally Gt discussion has been a bit out of focus with so many “balls” comments about the driving and straight line speed remarks.

Let’s be fair, any guy that drives a rally car flat out, from a 2wd Gr.N to a WRC, has to be brave, so it’s a bit redundant to praise Porsche drivers for their abilities. For sure, 911’s aren’t easy and demands a different driving technique from fwd, 4wd and even more balanced rwd cars, but a top driver has to adapt to any car or road.

On the tech side we could largely argue about different figures and specifications but in a plain and simple way we can just say they’re matched; 911’s are superior on fast stages but they can’t cope with R5’s on more twisted roads.

At Canarias Rally we had Kajto, ERC champ, with a top R5 and Cruz, Canarias champ, with a top 911. If we analyze the first leg times we can see Cruz was able to get very close to Kajto, but he didn't reach the lead. 2nd leg times and Cruz overall win are deceptive, as we know Kajto had tyre problems (and Luky ease up a bit).

So, in one of their most favorable rallyes unrestricted 911’s weren’t superior or inferior to R5’s, they were matched. As it was already seen during ’14 spanish championship won by Vallejo’s 911 in a close battle with Fuster’s Fiesta R5 (5 wins for Vallejo, 4 for Fuster).

It’s clear that the need to restrict 911’s didn’t come from their alleged superiority; it came from the understandable will to get a more diversified field on CERA’s. Because 911’s are equally fast but largely less expensive than R5’s, RFEA only option was to undermine them through the regs.

Ironically, the problem of 911’s in modern rally it’s their low price!

[stefanvv]

In Estonia use GAZ trucks in rallies. They are not made for rally as 911, but quite a fun to watch.

[rallysupportnl]

Gallery Zuiderzee Rally 2016 ---> Click here for the photos! (http://www.rallysupport.nl/index.php?id=383)

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2016/ZUIDERZEE2016/ZuiderzeeRally2016Rallysupport0015.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2016/ZUIDERZEE2016/ZuiderzeeRally2016Rallysupport0045.JPG

http://www.rallysupport.nl/fileadmin/template/main/afbeeldingen/2016/ZUIDERZEE2016/ZuiderzeeRally2016Rallysupport0053.JPG

[JoostSchouten]

Dennis Kuipers with his Ford Fiesta WRC was simply the best at the Zuiderzee Rally but what an impressive performance of 18yo Jim van den Heuvel who was going full attack with his red Lancer EVO X. The biggest surprise was from Brian Madsen with his lovely Peugeot 306 Maxi, such a beautifull sound and very fast on the evening stages.

Full results: http://rallytiming.nl/index.php?r=1601&p=684
Enjoy my video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwR7YFgvTDU

http://i67.tinypic.com/20pjx1.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwR7YFgvTDU)

[dimviii]

You can see the things the other way, when a restricted 911 can’t match an N+Evo it has nothing to do with the driving, it's just a clear sign of how hugely that car was undermine by regs.
the restricted 911 has more power from evo N+ and weight less.Uses wider tyres also.So driving at dry abrasive asphalt IS a reason.



Honestly I think this rally Gt discussion has been a bit out of focus with so many “balls” comments about the driving and straight line speed remarks.

Let’s be fair, any guy that drives a rally car flat out, from a 2wd Gr.N to a WRC, has to be brave, so it’s a bit redundant to praise Porsche drivers for their abilities. For sure, 911’s aren’t easy and demands a different driving technique from fwd, 4wd and even more balanced rwd cars, but a top driver has to adapt to any car or road.

agree.




On the tech side we could largely argue about different figures and specifications but in a plain and simple way we can just say they’re matched; 911’s are superior on fast stages but they can’t cope with R5’s on more twisted roads.

agree if you mean the unrestricted 911s.


At Canarias Rally we had Kajto, ERC champ, with a top R5 and Cruz, Canarias champ, with a top 911. If we analyze the first leg times we can see Cruz was able to get very close to Kajto, but he didn't reach the lead. 2nd leg times and Cruz overall win are deceptive, as we know Kajto had tyre problems (and Luky ease up a bit).
agree again.


So, in one of their most favorable rallyes unrestricted 911’s weren’t superior or inferior to R5’s, they were matched. As it was already seen during ’14 spanish championship won by Vallejo’s 911 in a close battle with Fuster’s Fiesta R5 (5 wins for Vallejo, 4 for Fuster).

It’s clear that the need to restrict 911’s didn’t come from their alleged superiority; it came from the understandable will to get a more diversified field on CERA’s. Because 911’s are equally fast but largely less expensive than R5’s, RFEA only option was to undermine them through the regs.

they had superiority at power,and that wasnt fair for any r5 driver who had championship hopes. As you saw,even when restricted them,but still higher than r5 bhp,most of them didnt want to continue to drive.Lost the advantage,and that was the reason they choosed these cars.


Ironically, the problem of 911’s in modern rally it’s their low price!
nevermind they can choose N+ with less money too and be very competetive with r5 cars as we saw from Garcia,so even this excuse finished.
They had choosed them from their power advantage.Lets see when Vallejos drive r5 cars if they will get 5 wins so easy.

[dimviii]

In Estonia use GAZ trucks in rallies. They are not made for rally as 911, but quite a fun to watch.

i dont have a problem to se 911s at rallies,i just dont want to see them, with advantage against better drivers who take much more risks to gain the lost seconds at straights from a 100+ bhp car.

[Ucci]

Do you really think Neubauer deserves this victory? He has been competing for years and couldn't beat almost 60-year-old Baumschlager when they were driving cars of the same class. So he bought a better car and can win now. Can you even call it SPORT?

Now you are talking rubbish - how can you compare 2009 spec Fiesta S2000 with TOP Fabia S2000 with the latest improvements??? And not even think about how well was Mundl's Fabia maintained compared to Neubauer's Fiesta??
Just the class was the same, but here the similarities ends....

[janvanvurpa]

Now you are talking rubbish - how can you compare 2009 spec Fiesta S2000 with TOP Fabia S2000 with the latest improvements??? And not even think about how well was Mundl's Fabia maintained compared to Neubauer's Fiesta??
Just the class was the same, but here the similarities ends....


Same way as those of us who read both WRC and national results when held same time saw Mats Jonsson in 1997 spec WRC Cosworth doing times equal to 4ths and 5ths and 6th current WRC drivers brand new WRC cars...

13 years old spec...which is like from last Ice-age....

The spec of the cars is highly exaggerated..especially by those who don't compete or who buy their rides.

[Mirek]

Now you are talking rubbish - how can you compare 2009 spec Fiesta S2000 with TOP Fabia S2000 with the latest improvements??? And not even think about how well was Mundl's Fabia maintained compared to Neubauer's Fiesta??
Just the class was the same, but here the similarities ends....

If he has money to run modern WRC why wasn't he able to find money to run proper S2000? It's cheaper, You know. Still the point stays - why is it good to change rules just because Neubauer and Grössing feel frustrated from not being able to beat an old man? The bright side of that is that ÖRM found finally someone to do so while Baumschlager is still alive.

By the way Neubauer was born in 1988, Baumschlager in 1959. He may be older than Neubauer's father.

PS Do You believe that introducing very expensive cars has in any way helped the true Austrian talents who sit at home? I mean guys like Andreas Aigner or Beppo Harrach...

[WUff1]

Future of Austrian rallying is not Aigner nor Harrach, but bloody young guys like brothers Simon & Julian Wagner, Christoph Zellhofer and Luca Waldherr.

If Harrach would really like to, I´m sure he could drive, his family is very wealthy. With Aigner it´s a bad situation, his crowdfunding campaign, which others use now successfully, unfortunately failed

Biggest winner is Austrian rallying now, even media interest rose again, and it´s exciting again to watch or follow the rallies.

[Ucci]

If he has money to run modern WRC why wasn't he able to find money to run proper S2000? It's cheaper, You know.

1. Neubauer is not giving mony, he drives for team, which has own sponsor. If they didn't have money for a top S2000/R5 in previous years, we can not blaim them. They were there, with old technology without any real chance against work-Fabia with a highly experiencend driver. Now they secured budget for WRC, thanks god for this brave step....
2. Some of you are quickly forgetting.....because of whom were changed fuel rules in the middle of season?? We all know this pearson or better said the team....the result was Neubauer left the championship....
3. As already other forum member mentioned-the championship is again interesting.
4. Baumschlager stressed on many occasions, that he was not driving on the limit. There was no need. Now the role is changed, the old fox is forced to step on the throttle. And if, I repeat if he loses the championship crown, no tragedy....

[Mirek]

1. Neubauer is not giving mony, he drives for team, which has own sponsor. If they didn't have money for a top S2000/R5 in previous years, we can not blaim them. They were there, with old technology without any real chance against work-Fabia with a highly experiencend driver. Now they secured budget for WRC, thanks god for this brave step....

What is brave about buying better car than Your opponent when You know that he can not buy similar one? Tell me please.


2. Some of you are quickly forgetting.....because of whom were changed fuel rules in the middle of season?? We all know this pearson or better said the team....the result was Neubauer left the championship....

The rule was simply stupid and was changed for good. And no, it wasn't because of Fabia not "eating" stock fuel. Fabia has factory mapping for several types of stock fuel, even for 98 octane.


3. As already other forum member mentioned-the championship is again interesting.

Maybe, but in my opinion making a championship interesting by making it unfair is completely wrong.


4. Baumschlager stressed on many occasions, that he was not driving on the limit. There was no need. Now the role is changed, the old fox is forced to step on the throttle. And if, I repeat if he loses the championship crown, no tragedy....

What a comment. So because others were not able to make pressure on Baumschlager under same rules we allow them to use better car because we know that Baumschlager has some contract with factory and can't switch the car as well? How stupid thinking is that?

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You are right that it doesn't matter if Baumschlager has N titles or N+1 but what matters is if there is someone who can succeed him. Those who need WRC to beat him are not such for sure.

The change of rules towards WRC was same mistake as here in CZ and done in completely wrong time when nearly all other championships switch into all R5/S2000 rules and as a result see an incredible rise of their national competition level (Britain, Belgium, Italy, Portugal for example).

[tc10a]

The change of rules towards WRC was same mistake as here in CZ and done in completely wrong time when nearly all other championships switch into all R5/S2000 rules and as a result see an incredible rise of their national competition level (Britain, Belgium, Italy, Portugal for example).

Completely agree. All the top contenders in top-spec R5 cars would give a much better competiton and would maybe attract also some of the mentioned guys, which have now no seat.
But Neubauer and Grössing would probably have again no chance against Baumschlager over the season.

They need the WRCs. Some Austrian newspapers even already try to suggest that Baumschlager has no disadvantage because of his R5 car... :)

[WUff1]

The change of rules towards WRC was same mistake as here in CZ and done in completely wrong time when nearly all other championships switch into all R5/S2000 rules and as a result see an incredible rise of their national competition level (Britain, Belgium, Italy, Portugal for example).

You forget that these countries always were big rally nations, with a good structure and a big fanbase. Austria is not anymore, at least at the moment, In former years or better said decades it was different.

I´m sure WRC will be forbidden again in Austria after some time, and Neubauer´s team also thought about buying a new R5 car instead of the WRC, so this is what will happen then. And then I´m sure Neubauer will still be able to fight against Baumschlager. He even was with his very old Fiesta S2000 in 2014, a car which was described by some of you guys as not being in good shape at Barum Rally 2015.

[Adler]

On first stage it was obvios that both, Neubauer and Baumschlager were on full attack, and Hermann was 1sec/km faster, after day one (36 sec/67km) Neubauer was just keeping the gap, which is imo smart, specially after throwing away the win couple of times in the past by making mistakes or technical issues.

I think Neubauer did a good job in rebenland, if you consider his long break, very limited testing and first rallye in WRC...

btw Neubauers car is 2014 spec, Grössings 2013...Grössing did what he anounced before: driving for fun because he can afford it...

If someone is saying R5 Fabia isn´t slower than WRC of course it´s bullshit...

[Jarek Z]

Biggest winner is Austrian rallying now, even media interest rose again, and it´s exciting again to watch or follow the rallies.

But will the interest not die if Neubauer wins all the rallies?

[Ucci]

But will the interest not die if Neubauer wins all the rallies?

You know how do they say : one swallow does not bring spring.
Wait few rallies, than we will discouss about boring situation....
Anyway, it is a positive change....

[WRC1]

But will the interest not die if Neubauer wins all the rallies?

Baumschlager won 90% of all Rallies in the last 10 years...and we are still alive....so where is the problem if Neubauer wins a few races?

[Ucci]

Baumschlager won 90% of all Rallies in the last 10 years...and we are still alive....so where is the problem if Neubauer wins a few races?

100 % agree...

[Nowi]

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[Rally Power]

(...)nevermind they can choose N+ with less money too and be very competetive with r5 cars as we saw from Garcia,so even this excuse finished.
They had choosed them from their power advantage.Lets see when Vallejos drive r5 cars if they will get 5 wins so easy.

Vallejo is a top driver and he will easily adapt to R5 (like Fontes did in Portugal).

The N+ Evo’s evolution from last year it’s surprising: in ’15 Garcia was almost 2s/km slower than fastest 911’s. Now he was able to beat Burgo easily and was less than 1s/km slower than Cruz.

With 1300kg, more than 350hp (36mm), sequential gearbox, R4 suspensions and free brakes, N+’s are the new R5 killer in Spain.

RFEA undermined 911’s to get more diversity, but ironically the championship can become a sort of Evo cup…

Adeje 2nd day video: https://youtu.be/6Pji_ZEn-u4

[Munkvy]

Under N+ what fuel are you able to run? In NZ some of the Evo's running E85 and 36mm restrictors are up over 260wkw.

What is cheaper/easier to maintain though, an Evo or an R5?

[Fabian Gaukler]

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[Ucci]

Vallejo is a top driver and he will easily adapt to R5 (like Fontes did in Portugal).

The N+ Evo’s evolution from last year it’s surprising: in ’15 Garcia was almost 2s/km slower than fastest 911’s. Now he was able to beat Burgo easily and was less than 1s/km slower than Cruz.

With 1300kg, more than 350hp (36mm), sequential gearbox, R4 suspensions and free brakes, N+’s are the new R5 killer in Spain.

RFEA undermined 911’s to get more diversity, but ironically the championship can become a sort of Evo cup…

Adeje 2nd day video: https://youtu.be/6Pji_ZEn-u4

Well, now I don't understand following issue : when we have spoken over P911 GT3 Cup cars on rally stages, there were some guys very loud how they need to be stopped, restricted....and all kind of bullsh#*xx...and their whining was finnaly accepted; but when the EvoX, which doesn't fit either to any FIA group and is again faster (and also cheaper to buy & run) then R5, they are silent.....interesting.

By the way - I'm happy for Garcia, no doubt about that and I'm not the guy who would scream like a small baby that the car is against FIA rules....that's the way it is. I like diversity.