Martinsville race thread

[MD24]

Tums Fast Relief 500

Sunday, October 24

Green Flag 1:15 pm

Qualifying: Friday 3:10 pm

[MD24]

1 11 Denny Hamlin
2 47 Marcos Ambrose
3 16 Greg Biffle
4 39 Ryan Newman
5 42 Juan Montoya
6 14 Tony Stewart
7 99 Carl Edwards
8 00 David Reutimann
9 1 Jamie McMurray
10 6 David Ragan

11 24 Jeff Gordon
12 98 Paul Menard
13 78 Regan Smith
14 82 Scott Speed
15 43 A.J. Allmendinger
16 56 Martin Truex Jr.
17 33 Clint Bowyer
18 31 Jeff Burton
19 48 Jimmie Johnson
20 13 Casey Mears

21 5 Mark Martin
22 20 Joey Logano
23 09 Bobby Labonte
24 77 Sam Hornish Jr.
25 12 Brad Keselowski
26 18 Kyle Busch
27 38 Travis Kvapil
28 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
29 164 Landon Cassill
30 2 Kurt Busch

31 19 Elliott Sadler
32 17 Matt Kenseth
33 83 Kasey Kahne
34 36 Dave Blaney
35 9 Aric Almirola
36 29 Kevin Harvick
37 87 Joe Nemechek
38 26 Ken Schrader
39 81 J.J. Yeley
40 37 David Gilliland

41 207 Robby Gordon
42 55 Terry Cook
43 34 Tony Raines

44 7 Kevin Conway
45 71 Hermie Sadler
46 66 Johnny Sauter
47 46 Michael McDowell

[Jonesi]

Do these types of swaps EVER work out for the better?

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/10/22/kharvick-martinsville-chase/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup

[Mr. Mister]

Wow. Great run for Ambrose. :eek:

He's really shown a lot on short tracks during his time in Cup. I hope the RPM situation doesn't screw him out of a decent ride for 2011. He's had consistency issues but he does have talent.

[NastyCar]

Do these types of swaps EVER work out for the better?
hid kits (http://electronicfiend.com/hid-kits/)http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/10/22/kharvick-martinsville-chase/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup


Not that I know of lol

[call_me_andrew]

Do these types of swaps EVER work out for the better?

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/10/22/kharvick-martinsville-chase/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup

It's like an Indian rain dance: it works because no one stops dancing until it rains.

[harvick#1]

Do these types of swaps EVER work out for the better?

http://www.nascar.com/2010/news/headlines/cup/10/22/kharvick-martinsville-chase/index.html?eref=/news/headlines/cup

have you ever seen Harv's pit crew in action, on a good stop, they lose 2 positions.

while teams knock out 12.3 stops, there best are in the 14's

[MD24]

1 Denny Hamlin
2 Mark Martin
3 Kevin Harvick
4 Kyle Busch
5 Jimmie Johnson
6 Joey Logano
7 Dale Earnhardt Jr.
8 Carl Edwards
9 Jeff Burton
10 Brad Keselowski

11 Jamie McMurray
12 A.J. Allmendinger
13 Paul Menard
14 Kasey Kahne
15 Matt Kenseth
16 Kurt Busch
17 David Ragan
18 Ken Schrader
19 Juan Montoya
20 Jeff Gordon

21 Aric Almirola
22 Robby Gordon
23 Scott Speed
24 Tony Stewart
25 Sam Hornish Jr.
26 Hermie Sadler
27 David Reutimann
28 Elliott Sadler
29 Martin Truex Jr.
30 Ryan Newman

31 Regan Smith
32 Tony Raines
33 Greg Biffle
34 Marcos Ambrose
35 Travis Kvapil
36 Dave Blaney
37 David Gilliland
38 Clint Bowyer
39 J.J. Yeley
40 Casey Mears

41 Joe Nemechek
42 Landon Cassill
43 Bobby Labonte

[MD24]

1 Jimmie Johnson 5998
2 Denny Hamlin 5992 -6
3 Kevin Harvick 5936 -62
4 Kyle Busch 5826 -172
5 Jeff Gordon 5795 -203
6 Carl Edwards 5785 -213
7 Tony Stewart 5762 -236
8 Jeff Burton 5752 -246
9 Kurt Busch 5721 -277
10 Matt Kenseth 5705 -293
11 Greg Biffle 5682 -316
12 Clint Bowyer 5592 -406

[Jag_Warrior]

Gordon has never really been one to retaliate, has he? If Kurt had done that to Carl Edwards or Kyle Busch, he'd have been sitting in the 5th row of the grandstands by the time the pace car came out. Gordon certainly bumped him and ran, but come on, dude. Overreact much?

Not just talking about this incident, but it seems to me that Gordon has lost a good bit of the fire that he used to have. He's still one of the most capable, sound racers out there. But I don't sense that he has that oomph! that you can detect in Jimmie Johnson or say, Kyle Busch, when it comes time to lay the cards on the table.

jm2c

Good race today though. Good job overall by the commentary crew too.

[harvick#1]

this year, the chase is proving to be the biggest farce imagined.

sorry but this is Harvick's year whether people wanna admit it or not, there has not been a better team at all than the 29 group, 22 top 10's in 32 starts is just EA Sports stuff.

and yeah Jag, I have to agree with you about Gordon, Johnson has roughed him up and swears to get him back but wont put the same bump-and-run JJ does.

as for the tv crew, complete opposite, they are by far worse than the Fox crew, DJ is rubbish along with Rusty, they may have been great drivers, but they cant call a race to save their life, constantly getting drivers names wrong, biasing certain drivers. I also like the who DAle Jr "Danica" TV moments when he runs up front for once, I swear I thought he was gonna win by a lap.

[wedge]

Great race!

Go Denny go!

Agree with the remarks regarding Jeff Gordon's aggression.

[TURN3]

this year, the chase is proving to be the biggest farce imagined.

sorry but this is Harvick's year whether people wanna admit it or not, there has not been a better team at all than the 29 group, 22 top 10's in 32 starts is just EA Sports stuff.

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So if Harvick doesn't come back and win the Cup, are you saying that Jeff Gordon and Kyle Bush were part of a farce also? If I'm not mistaken, at least those 2 guys would've won the championship in their respective years had the old points format extended through the final 10 races. God will forgive you to admit Kyle Busch would have a championship by now...you either want it one way or another so chose your response carefully.

The rules are what they are these days. I don't compare JJ's accomplishments to those of Cale Yarborough's because of the different format today. In other words, you can't compare era's but you can say everybody today, and since 2004, have competed on the same field.

[djparky]

great result Hamlin- was hoping he'd beat Johnson.

I still think this Chase thing is a farce- the champion SHOULD be the best driver over the whole race season- not the final 10 races.

As for Jeff Gordon- it pains me to say it, but he just doesn't seem to have the pace of the some of the other drivers, at least not like he used to. Damn shame we didn't get NASCAR coverage in the UK during his glory years

I don't think he's ever really been the same since the COT came in. And he also seems to be a bad luck magnet- he was running well in M-ville and he got spun out by Busch??

and what happened- Dale Jnr actually led a race for a change?? did NASCAR give him a more powerful engine this weekend?

[Jonesi]

great result Hamlin- was hoping he'd beat Johnson.

I still think this Chase thing is a farce- the champion SHOULD be the best driver over the whole race season- not the final 10 races.

As for Jeff Gordon- it pains me to say it, but he just doesn't seem to have the pace of the some of the other drivers, at least not like he used to. Damn shame we didn't get NASCAR coverage in the UK during his glory years

I don't think he's ever really been the same since the COT came in. And he also seems to be a bad luck magnet- he was running well in M-ville and he got spun out by Busch??

and what happened- Dale Jnr actually led a race for a change?? did NASCAR give him a more powerful engine this weekend?

When Nascar went to radial race tires, it really lent itself to JG's driving style/preference, and a lot of the older drivers couldn't adjust. The CoT now moves things in favor of drivers who like an oversteering car, and JG hasn't really got comfortable with it, but he's still a top 5 driver.

[willracefan]

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So if Harvick doesn't come back and win the Cup, are you saying that Jeff Gordon and Kyle Bush were part of a farce also? If I'm not mistaken, at least those 2 guys would've won the championship in their respective years had the old points format extended through the final 10 races. God will forgive you to admit Kyle Busch would have a championship by now...you either want it one way or another so chose your response carefully.

The rules are what they are these days. I don't compare JJ's accomplishments to those of Cale Yarborough's because of the different format today. In other words, you can't compare era's but you can say everybody today, and since 2004, have competed on the same field.


edwards would be the champion in 08, kyle imploded right in the chase. and well harvick if this werent the chase would pretty much be top two with jj. he has clearly outconsisted everyone all year long. even if jj were to race for the big picture like that that wouldnt have mattered, harvick would still be leading. only four races all year finishing outside the top 15. and on top of that just six more finishes outside the top ten. harvick owns consistency.

i think hamlin starts beating himself after dega and allowing harvick to challenge jj.

[slorydn1]

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So if Harvick doesn't come back and win the Cup, are you saying that Jeff Gordon and Kyle Bush were part of a farce also? If I'm not mistaken, at least those 2 guys would've won the championship in their respective years had the old points format extended through the final 10 races. God will forgive you to admit Kyle Busch would have a championship by now...you either want it one way or another so chose your response carefully.

The rules are what they are these days. I don't compare JJ's accomplishments to those of Cale Yarborough's because of the different format today. In other words, you can't compare era's but you can say everybody today, and since 2004, have competed on the same field.


The "Chase" has been around in since 2004. In that time, the Chase changed the championship outcome 3 times, to wit:

In 2004, Kurt Busch won the Chase Championship, yet Jeff Gordon would have won under the full season deal, by 47 points over Jimmie Johnson. Kurt Busch would have only been P4, 247 points back.

In 2007, Jimmie Johnson won the Chase Championship. Jeff Gordon would have easily crushed the competition under the full season deal, beating Johnson by a full 353 points.

In 2008, Jimmie Johnson won the Chase Championship, by a pretty decent margin if memory serves. In a perverse twist, the full season deal would have been very close, with Carl Edwards winning by a slim 16 points over Jimmie Johnson.

This year is shaping up to be another year that the Chase is going to hand yet another Championship to Jimmie Johnson. He's the leader now, but Kevin Harvick would be leading and Jimmie would be P2, 264 points back.....