Megane Gr N4

[Gordini]

Any ideas of the price of the new Megane?
Will it only come in tarmac version?

[Mirek]

Wait for Rallye Du Var in November. There will be official presentation.

[Gordini]

I know that,but what is your price guess?
It has 250ps in standard, how much will the Gr N tuners get out of the engine?

[Mirek]

Around 300 Hp for sure. Price? I don't know but as less complicated car it should be cheaper than 4WD gr.N cars. I'm especially curious about the weight. I guess that under gr.N regulations it should be possible to get the car to some 1200-1250 kg which is much less than 4WD.

[Sulland]

Will this one only come with Asphalt undercarriage, or will it come for Gravel usage as well ?

[Sulland]

Is it expected that the N4 Megane will be quicker than a R3 Clio, since I am impressed how fast they are able to drive them ?

[morganmilan]

Sorry for my ignorance about the car. Is it 2000 cc? Turbo or atmospheric? I assume it´s 2 WD, what´s the difference then from R3C? Only turbo if that?

[Mirek]

Yes, it's 2 litre turbo 2WD. R3C has no turbo but has more free rules, so is much lighter, has better gearbox, brakes etc.

[morganmilan]

Yes, it's 2 litre turbo 2WD. R3C has no turbo but has more free rules, so is much lighter, has better gearbox, brakes etc.
Thnx as usual Mirek for your fast answers ;)

[Gordini]

Here is some info http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rallye/megane_n4/news.php?news=137380.html

http://tv.fooyoh.com/fooyohtv_videos_viral/6946100

I think it will be quicker than clio r3!

[ProRally]

Will this one only come with Asphalt undercarriage, or will it come for Gravel usage as well ?

Only tarmac, due to the design no 15" gravel wheels will fit the car.

[Tom206wrc]

Here is some info http://www.renault-sport.com/en/rallye/megane_n4/news.php?news=137380.html

http://tv.fooyoh.com/fooyohtv_videos_viral/6946100

I think it will be quicker than clio r3!



As quick as S2000s ??? :D

[HaCo]

Just read an article in AutoHebdo, they were at the test (youtube vid) and were able to interview engineers:
- Target is 1260kg, 300hp, 45mkg torque for 80% available in 2000-65000rpm range
- Compared to Clio R3 they want: cheaper, cheaper / km and faster :D

I hope it will eat Japanese cars for breakfast and also hope we will see guys like Kris Princen in this car. :)

[Barreis]

On wet tarmac hardly..

[morganmilan]

Yes, it's 2 litre turbo 2WD. R3C has no turbo but has more free rules, so is much lighter, has better gearbox, brakes etc.
So, if my class rules perception is correct, and R3T cars are really R3TB because of 1.6 motors, this Megane could be really a R2TC, with less modifications from normal production cars, but 2.0 motor, couldn´t it?

[OldF]

Megane N4 has nothing to do with the R-classes. It’s in the same class as Mitsubishi and Subaru (N-group N4) with the exception that Megane is 2WD.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/E39B75C41C619A90C125774C002CE6F4/$FILE/254%20%2810-11%29.pdf

[HaCo]

Megane N4 has nothing to do with the R-classes. It’s in the same class as Mitsubishi and Subaru (N-group N4) with the exception that Megane is 2WD.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/E39B75C41C619A90C125774C002CE6F4/$FILE/254%20%2810-11%29.pdf

Ok, for now. But when the R4 rules are published, Renault could as well make an R4 kit, just like Subaru or Mitsu could do.

[morganmilan]

Megane N4 has nothing to do with the R-classes. It’s in the same class as Mitsubishi and Subaru (N-group N4) with the exception that Megane is 2WD.

http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/E39B75C41C619A90C125774C002CE6F4/$FILE/254%20%2810-11%29.pdf
My fault then, OldF, but, if that, it´s to be expected than Megane can beat Sub and Mitsub?, because 2WD against 4WD...even on dry tarmac it´s difficult to imagine, isn´t it?, or has got the Megane any technical "compensation" against other N4 cars?

[Barreis]

Good cup car and nothing else..

[Sarac330d]

My fault then, OldF, but, if that, it´s to be expected than Megane can beat Sub and Mitsub?, because 2WD against 4WD...even on dry tarmac it´s difficult to imagine, isn´t it?, or has got the Megane any technical "compensation" against other N4 cars?

Why do you think it is difficult to imagine 2WD vs 4WD, just look at WRC Catalunya 2010, Gassner Jr. against R3 Clios.
I think Megane N4 should be faster than Clio R3.

[N.O.T]

Why do you think it is difficult to imagine 2WD vs 4WD, just look at WRC Catalunya 2010, Gassner Jr. against R3 Clios.
I think Megane N4 should be faster than Clio R3.

you think wrong....even comparing N cars with R cars shows some ignorance.

[Sarac330d]

Ok, but what happened then in Catalunya with N4 cars vs R3 cars.
On second day of rally.

[Mirek]

It's especially about the nature of the roads. The more fast corners and the less 1st gear corners (and cutting), the better for such car. In fast corners on dry asphalt it doesn't matter a lot if it's 2WD or 4WD but how much does it weight. Since the car has 100-150 kg less than Impreza or Lancer, it may be useful in Italy, Spain or southern France due to higher cornering speed and better braking.

We should also consider that 300 Hp engine in both 4WD and 2WD car doesn't mean same power on wheels. I guess that 4WD looses around 20 Hp more in drivetrain. Of course it will always suffer from lack of traction in certain conditions.

[dimviii]

Ok, but what happened then in Catalunya with N4 cars vs R3 cars.
On second day of rally.
Αnd in another rally there was a n4 in front of a wrc...what does it mean, that it is faster?
With equal drivers n4 is way faster.

[OldF]

My fault then, OldF, but, if that, it´s to be expected than Megane can beat Sub and Mitsub?, because 2WD against 4WD...even on dry tarmac it´s difficult to imagine, isn´t it?, or has got the Megane any technical "compensation" against other N4 cars?
It’s nobody’s fault.

I could imagine the Megane to be faster on dry tarmac. In 1999 the Xsara kit car outlasted the WRC cars in Catalunya and Corsica.

[Mirek]

Αnd in another rally there was a n4 in front of a wrc...what does it mean, that it is faster?
With equal drivers n4 is way faster.

In Italy, Southern France or Spain N4 hardly finishes in front of S1600 or R3 as long as it's dry (and often even in wet condition). I don't count super N cars from Spain. Power and traction from slow corners isn't that important as weight there as 90% of the road is corner-to-corner on 3rd-4th gear.

[dimviii]

On wet tarmac hardly..

also in dirty tarmac,bumpy tarmac etc.When it is difficult for 4wd cars to transfer via 4 wheels the power to asphalt,i really would like to see a megane with more than 45kg torque via 2 wheels.Don t confuse with R3 with about 25 kg torque at about 5500rpm with 45kg@ 3000rpm.Totaly different game at all for a front wheel drive car.
Also 100kg lighter car dont think that it is enoygh when evo/subis are at 60kg of torque,and about 320bhp(evo9 easily at 1330kg at tarmac spec)

[Barreis]

It’s nobody’s fault.

I could imagine the Megane to be faster on dry tarmac. In 1999 the Xsara kit car outlasted the WRC cars in Catalunya and Corsica.

I was waching live final SS from one of these rallies.. If sequential gearbox will be in Megane, it's possible.. All depends on driver..

[dimviii]

In Italy, Southern France or Spain N4 hardly finishes in front of S1600 or R3 as long as it's dry (and often even in wet condition). I don't count super N cars from Spain. Power and traction from slow corners isn't that important as weight there as 90% of the road is corner-to-corner on 3rd-4th gear.

Last year yes,when all the good drivers were at s2000 cars.When good drivers(Andreucci for example) were at evos/subis were playing for the championship and not with 2wd cars even kitcars or s1600 ones.

[Mirek]

dimvii if Your Evo IX has 1330 kg, it doesn't comply with recent FIA regulations which apply since January 2010 (minimum weight 1350 kg for 4WD cars). Just a notice ;)


Last year yes,when all the good drivers were at s2000 cars.When good drivers(Andreucci for example) were at evos/subis were playing for the championship and not with 2wd cars even kitcars or s1600 ones.

Sure but Andreucci was also better than all 2WD drivers so it wasn't comparable too (while Chentre used to be fastest 2WD driver in that time, he is way slower driving S2000). In my opinion the fact that almost no-one uses gr.N cars in these countries is enough to prove that they aren't very useful there although relatively cheap and easy to run. If they are fast enough, there would be tons of them like in CZ for example.

[OldF]

I was waching live final SS from one of these rallies.. If sequential gearbox will be in Megane, it's possible.. All depends on driver..

I didn’t mean that the Megane could outlast WRC cars but Mitsubishi and Subaru N4 cars.

[dimviii]

dimvii if Your Evo IX has 1330 kg, it doesn't comply with recent FIA regulations which apply since January 2010 (minimum weight 1350 kg for 4WD cars). Just a notice ;)
I know that Mirek.Yoy can easily put extra weight where you think it can give better balance




Sure but Andreucci was also better than all 2WD drivers so it wasn't comparable too. In my opinion the fact that almost no-one uses gr.N cars in these countries is enough to prove that they aren't very useful there although relatively cheap and easy to run. If they are fast enough, there would be tons of them like in CZ for example.
It is not Andreucci the unique example.There are plenty of them.
There is one from last weekend with Gonon in front of Neuville(3,38 minutes)
Don t tell me that Gonon is better driver from Neuville :D
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?event=1017

[Mirek]

I know that Mirek.Yoy can easily put extra weight where you think it can give better balance

But that balance weight still counts into lateral G force.


It is not Andreucci the unique example.There are plenty of them.
There is one from last weekend with Gonon in front of Neuville(3,38 minutes)
Don t tell me that Gonon is better driver from Neuville :D
http://www.ewrc-results.com/final.php?event=1017

Not that good example. First Neuville had a puncture (2 minutes) and than circa half of the millage was at least wet (often icy and on the longest stage also snow). There are also gravel parts on Valais stages. On dry Neuville was very fast, he even won two stages overall (DS3 is said to have 210Hp, 350Nm and 1120 kg).

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_0967.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_2924.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_1025.jpg

[Mirek]

Double post, sorry...

Anyway, time will tell :)

[dimviii]

But that balance weight still counts into lateral G force.



Not that good example. First Neuville had a puncture (2 minutes) and than circa half of the millage was at least wet (often icy and on the longest stage also snow). There are also gravel parts on Valais stages. On dry Neuville was very fast, he even won two stages overall (DS3 is said to have 210Hp, 350Nm and 1120 kg).

http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_0967.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_2924.jpg
http://images.forum-auto.com/mesimages/594685/IMG_1025.jpg

Yes Neuville was faster in 2 ss while N4s were faster in 16ss.And we aretalking about Neuville vs Gonon.Just imagine with almost equal drivers ie Valousek vs Pech.What do you think will be the result in a dry rally,cause in wet or semiwet we know. :p :

[Mirek]

Dimviii, please, don't exaggerate. Neuville was faster on 5 stages which isn't bad for car with only 210 Hp and for the conditions which were on stages. I can find similar examples with opposite times, that's easy in Italy with Perego. You can always pick something what suits You. It's like picking up CZ. Here 2WD are almost without a chance due to completely different nature of stages (although in Rally Jeseníky Černý in R3 was faster than all gr.N except Kresta and Jakeš who were usually faster even when he drove Lancer).

Why do You think that people in Italy drive hundreds of S1600 or R3 and almost no gr.N cars? ;)

[Sarac330d]

This directly depens like Mirek said of roads nature.
If SS is like in Italy with low average speed 80-85 km/h, then FWD cars like R3 and S1600 will be competitive.
This stages are mainly technical stages.

[dimviii]

Dimviii, please, don't exaggerate. Neuville was faster on 5 stages which isn't bad for car with only 210 Hp and for the conditions which were on stages. I can find similar examples with opposite times, that's easy in Italy with Perego. You can always pick something what suits You. It's like picking up CZ. Here 2WD are almost without a chance due to completely different nature of stages (although in Rally Jeseníky Černý in R3 was faster than all gr.N except Kresta and Jakeš who were usually faster even when he drove Lancer).

Why do You think that people in Italy drive hundreds of S1600 or R3 and almost no gr.N cars? ;)

I am not exagggerate Mirek,and i an not choosing results they suit me.Except if you think that Gonon suits me against Neuville :dozey:
Just have a second look at whole Italian championship 2010.results ;)

[Barreis]

I didn’t mean that the Megane could outlast WRC cars but Mitsubishi and Subaru N4 cars.

I understood that way..

[Tom206wrc]

Guillaume Canivenq(last year french tarmac champion)will drive the Megane as "00 car" at the Var ;)

[Sulland]

So not at speed then, but there should also be a full presentation of it at Var, from Renault Sport should it not ?

[Gordini]

Has renault come with a price for this car? Complete and just kit if you know.

[Mirek]

The Kit is 57500 Euro.

[Sulland]

And how much will you have to pay for a donor car ?

[RobertS]

Any news about the 'Mitsu-Killer' ?

[Mirek]

Next weekend first rally. Two are present in Le Touquet, first round of French championship. One in hands of Manu Guigou, Renault factory driver and multiple French 2WD champion, the other is driven by Robert Consani.

[HaCo]

Hope they drop the a-bit dark livery with dark wheels.

[Tom206wrc]

I'm very curious to see the performances of that new car next week ;)

[Barreis]

+1

[jolle1982]

carsten mohe want to drive a new megane on the first round of the german rally champioship on wikinger rally in two weeks!!!

[HaCo]

Great! Hope Princen will do the same in Belgium one day!

[Tom206wrc]

This coming week-end, added to the rallye du Touquet, two Megane RS in Italy, at rally Riviera Ligure, in the hands of Stefano Albertini and Andrea Mezzogori ;)

Also another Megane RS on Rallye Pays du Gier(France, also counting for swiss rallies championship)in the hands of swiss driver Nicolas Maus :)

[Sulland]

What is the first impression of this N4 compared to for instance Clio R3, or other N4 cars?

What har been the level of the pilotes of the Meganes so far ?

[jolle1982]

carsten mohe is one of the fastes front wheel drive pilots in germany, i think he is very fast in this car.

[Barreis]

It will be interested to see this new machine in action..

[Gordini]

Looking at the times from france,it is not too bad. But one or two stages he lost a lot,but all in all an impressive debut and the car will evolve.
Maybe Renault need to fire up old Ragnotti to see what the megane realy can do!

[Jarek Z]

Maybe Renault need to fire up old Ragnotti to see what the megane realy can do!

Yes, bring back the old dream team - Jean Ragnotti and Philippe Bugalski! :)

[urabus-denoS2000]

I think they would find the new car extremely boring - not nearly enough revs for them :D

[Mirek]

Yes, bring back the old dream team - Jean Ragnotti and Philippe Bugalski! :)

Bugalski is working in Citroën ;)

[Jarek Z]

Oh is he? Then bring back Jean-Joseph! Oh, he's working for Citroen too? Damn it! ;)

[Sulland]

But some SS times was very good, so it has potential the Megane. Will be interesting to follow the development, and if it will become the fastest 2wd you can buy new ?

[Mirek]

Onboard Guigou: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhpyti_rallye-du-touquet-2011_auto

[Sulland]

A lot of strange noises on the film, but it was wet and narrow roads, so seemed hard.

What do we know of the development on the Clio R3 since it came until today, hp and torque wise, and improvement pr km ss?
The development for the two 4wd N4 cars has been steep, and there are a lot of tuners working to get the best out of it within the regs, so I guess the same will happen with the Megane.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Well the debut was good but expected really . I expect this car to dominate N4 in Italian/French type of roads , however I don't see it near the top N4 drivers in Czech or Poland , such as Pech or Kajto .

[Ucci]

Everything depends on who will drive mitsu&suby on tarmac. Speaking Italian CIR-currently I really do not see any top driver driving such car, except maybe Andrea Perego, who also won evo Trophy. But if a driver as Travaglia&Ucci&Dalavilla (they all were very fast, sometimes even faster as S2000 on tarmac) would drive top-spec N4 4x4 car, than I would still bet my money on Mitsubishi.....
In Poland or Czech with Pech&Kajto behind the steering wheel there is no chance with Megane, that is true......

[dimviii]

so with equal drivers megane can win evo-sti?

[dimviii]

A lot of strange noises on the film, but it was wet and narrow roads, so seemed hard.

nothing to do with wet roads,just antilag noises.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Everything depends on who will drive mitsu&suby on tarmac. Speaking Italian CIR-currently I really do not see any top driver driving such car, except maybe Andrea Perego, who also won evo Trophy. But if a driver as Travaglia&Ucci&Dalavilla (they all were very fast, sometimes even faster as S2000 on tarmac) would drive top-spec N4 4x4 car, than I would still bet my money on Mitsubishi.....
In Poland or Czech with Pech&Kajto behind the steering wheel there is no chance with Megane, that is true......

I agree , I'd just add Max Rendina as a very good Italian N4 driver . On rallies on CIR , those two were not faster than best R3 drivers , and the Megane is supposed to be faster than the R3 ...

We will see :)

[N.O.T]

no reasonable driver will buy the megane in its current state.....the future is only in the france regional championship. and of course with the promotional drivers of renault who are forced to use it.

[Sulland]

So good to see that you keep your positivity NOT, anything else would surprise me..... :p

[OldF]

Guigou tips Megane for the top.

http://www.maxrally.com/news/entry/guigou_tips_megane_for_the_top

[N.O.T]

hmmm very unbiased opinion....

[darkstar]

carsten mohe´s livery of the megane:

http://www.rallye-magazin.de/forum/galerien/data/500/DSC00013.JPG

[mousti]

Cédric Cherain confirmed he's going to enter the Tac rally with a Megane ! That's a good test for that car Cédric is a fast driver look at Condroz 2010 ;) and the rival N4 drivers are also very good :)

[dimviii]

Cédric Cherain confirmed he's going to enter the Tac rally with a Megane ! That's a good test for that car Cédric is a fast driver look at Condroz 2010 ;) and the rival N4 drivers are also very good :)

which are the other driners with N4 cars mousti?

[Barreis]

Nice car..

[mousti]

which are the other driners with N4 cars mousti?
Langenakens Evo X who got a scratch on SS Zepperen against all other WRC's, Lhonnay the champion of 2010 maybe depends how his budget is after his crash in Haspengouw.Vander Marel maybe and Bruneel will be there, Langenakens is the best reference for now to compare the Megane with a fast Group N.

[dimviii]

Langenakens Evo X who got a scratch on SS Zepperen against all other WRC's, Lhonnay the champion of 2010 maybe depends how his budget is after his crash in Haspengouw.Vander Marel maybe and Bruneel will be there, Langenakens is the best reference for now to compare the Megane with a fast Group N.

so Cédric Cherain can say that is about equal with Langenakens in terms of skills?

[mousti]

so Cédric Cherain can say that is about equal with Langenakens in terms of skills?
Langenakens has more Rhytym but we can say they have both good amount of talent, they've both not so much experience in Tielt so no advantage there. Will be a good test for the Megane I'm sure, the only disadvantage will be that Cedric will not know the car unless he does a good amount of testing km's.

[dimviii]

Langenakens has more Rhytym but we can say they have both good amount of talent, they've both not so much experience in Tielt so no advantage there. Will be a good test for the Megane I'm sure, the only disadvantage will be that Cedric will not know the car unless he does a good amount of testing km's.

Thanks mousti! lets see what megan can do against 4wd N4s

[Sulland]

Just read an article in AutoHebdo, they were at the test (youtube vid) and were able to interview engineers:
- Target is 1260kg, 300hp, 45mkg torque for 80% available in 2000-6500rpm range

How close is the Megane N4 to this target in current specification ?

Just for comparison of development; what was the first figures for the Clio R3, and where is it today ?

[Mirek]

Sulland, exact data are something what only Renault knows in the moment. You can't get the answer on forum.

[darkstar]

carsten mohe said the megane is up to 0,5 seconds faster then the clio r3 was.

some more pictures of his test here:=1&tx_gooffotoboek_pi1[func]=thumb&cHash=71c154361e]pictures (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/dm/galerien/2011/test-carsten-mohe/index.html?tx_gooffotoboek_pi1[fid)

[N.O.T]

carsten mohe said the megane is up to 0,5 seconds faster then the clio r3 was.

some more pictures of his test here:=1&tx_gooffotoboek_pi1[func]=thumb&cHash=71c154361e]pictures (http://www.rallye-magazin.de/r/dm/galerien/2011/test-carsten-mohe/index.html?tx_gooffotoboek_pi1[fid)


its his job so its understandable....

[Sulland]

Sulland, exact data are something what only Renault knows in the moment. You can't get the answer on forum.

Ok, understandable but ballpark figures, or ish figures then ?

[darkstar]

mohe says the car has 280hp and "a lot of torque at around 5000 rpm". and it weigh´s 200kg more then the clio r3.

[Ucci]

mohe says the car has 280hp and "a lot of torque at around 5000 rpm". and it weigh´s 200kg more then the clio r3.

200 kg more?? really??

[Mirek]

200 kg more than Clio means 1280 kg, Renault claimed that Mégane has 1260 kg, so it's +- same. That's quite good for Gr.N car (some 100 kg less than Evo IX). You can't take a lot of weight off the stock car...

[darkstar]

the wikinger rallye is running now, stage times here: http://www.znts.de/zeitnahme/live_ergebnis_open.php?rallye_id=49

good time from mohe in the megane!

[HaCo]

I guess you mean megane, good time for him!!!

[darkstar]

yes, sorry, changed it ;)

[HaCo]

Mohe had some problems understanding his codriver:

8 - Carsten Mohe / Katrin Becker, D/D, Renault Megane RS N4
„Wikinger Rallye: Es gibt in Deutschland nicht wirklich was Vergleichbares. Ich bin wahnsinnig erleichtert, dass das neue Auto so konkurrenzfähig ist. Wir sind ja erst noch am Anfang. Auf der zweiten Prüfung mussten wir ein bisschen Tempo rausnehmen, weil Katrin keine Stimme mehr hatte und ich nicht mehr alles verstanden habe.“
http://www.deutsche-rallye-meisterschaft.de/component/content/article/49-adac-wikinger-rallye-2011-/1959-felix-herbold-fuehrt-souveraen-bei-adac-wikinger-rallye.html

[Sulland]

Sounds like Mohe is pretty impressed by the Megane. Lot of potential, and we are just at the beginning (of the development) he says.


Looking at the two other N4 cars, the engine development has been massive, so I guess the same can happen when tuners get their hands on it. There are some slack within the Gr N regs to fine tune them !

Would be cool to see a rear wheel drive N4 car as well, but guess no manufacturer have a car the fits ?

[HaCo]

I wonder what the difference is between a GT and a regular car? Anyone knows this according to FIA rules?

I would like to see a Beamer 1 Series in R4 configuration :)

[Gordini]

Wow the belgian driver was very fast shows the potential in this car.will be nice to see the speed of the megane after 1 year development.then it will be quick,and a winner in 2wd!
Do some know of any planned upgrades or adjustments?

[Tom206wrc]

Can't wait for the start of Critérium jurassien(Switzerland)this evening, to see what Eric Maufrey can do there, especially compared to Antonio Galli :)

[Tom206wrc]

Eric Mauffrey crashed his Megane on SS7(the longest stage with 28km)whereas he was 5th overall until SS6... :(

[Gordini]

A bit disapointed by the two Meganes in IRC. How good the drivers are ?

[Mirek]

Albertini is for sure much better driver than his result in Corsica :(

[Tom206wrc]

Mauffrey didn't start in Corsica and I don't know why :confused:

[urabus-denoS2000]

Yes , I'm also dissapointed by Albertini , he is a really fantastic FWD driver ...

[N.O.T]

its a very nice car for a local cup but a bit expensive...no future for this car elsewhere.

[Ucci]

IMHO if you have two equal drivers-one in Megane, other in evoX, the guy in Megane has generally no chance against Evo driver. Maybe in an ideal conditions for a Megane, but which conditions are ideal for a 2WD car?? Less hairpins, dry tarmac, no gravel on the tarmac.....I do not know, I'm yust wondering.....

[Allyc85]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBuFA9XtXvg&feature=related

Boring to look at, boring to listen to! Not exactly the kind of thing id like to get up early for and drive a long distance to go and watch!

[Mirek]

What's spectacular is more about driver in my opinion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxsyXt_oQEc&feature=player_embedded

[OldF]

The Megane would be a nice looking car as a S2000 or a WRC.

[Tom206wrc]

What happened to Cédric Chérain on the first stages of Soezens Rally :confused:

[Wim_Impreza]

What happened to Cédric Chérain on the first stages of Soezens Rally :confused:

He made a mistake and had a puncture. He was really lucky to finish the rally, because after the last SS on the podium he had a turbo failure.

[Gordini]

Is meganes geting quicker with test and rally?

Hope for Princen in megane.

[HaCo]

Is meganes geting quicker with test and rally?

Hope for Princen in megane.

He will be in Ypres with the Megane, confirmed today. Hope we will see some good things of the car in Ypres!

[Sulland]

First used one for sale: Welcome on www.rallycarsforsale.net (http://www.rallycarsforsale.net/) is the price of 110k € ok ?

[Sulland]

He will be in Ypres with the Megane, confirmed today. Hope we will see some good things of the car in Ypres!
What did Princen feel about the Megane vs the Clio ?

[HaCo]

What did Princen feel about the Megane vs the Clio ?

If you read his website he is convinced they can match top Gr N cars like Langenakens.

And not spectacular?
http://www.autonews-magazine.com/blognl/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cherainypres01.jpg

I love these cars: they are 'cheap' and fast at the same time. Unfortunately this was a one-shot for Princen right now. Great to see such a good pace of Cherain, we need these kind of topdrivers!!!

[focus206]

I love these cars: they are 'cheap' and fast at the same time. Unfortunately this was a one-shot for Princen right now. Great to see such a good pace of Cherain, we need these kind of topdrivers!!!
Yes, I love the Megane too, but I expected something better against the Clio in Ypres :\
Anyway, I hope Cherain will do more IRC events!

[Allyc85]

I slagged them off at first, but tbh seeing them driven properly at the weekend I was pleasantly surprised :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu0b0BqTMIk

[fegh]

It's really very nice looking car, what is the price (and price/km) difference with a clio R3 ? is Renault planning for a R4 Kit ?

[Sulland]

A very good result for the car in East Belgium.
Is the car developed in any way this year, or is it only the drives that are getting used to them and finds better set-ups ?

[mousti]

Didn't hear about developments, it could be though but not sure. What I do know is that Cherain is a nice talented driver with good speed!

[Sulland]

Summing up the first season for the Megane in the context of 2wd championships.

Has it been a good first season ?
Is this now the quickest 2wd car ?
Any 2012 upgrades planned ?

[N.O.T]

it was only driven by the commercial drivers of Renault around Europe.... the car is very expensive for what it offers so i don't think we can expect too much in 2012.

[mousti]

Quickest 2wd car is the DS3R3t

[Sulland]

Any 2012 upgrades to the Megane ?

[Tom206wrc]

Quickest 2wd car is the DS3R3t



We will see from today in Touquet ;)

[Tom206wrc]

Guigou was just ahead of the best DS3 drivers on SS1 and 2 Touquet(and just behind Vanson best GrN driver)but retired in SS3 :(
The other Megane drivers, including Tanghe, are rather average :mark:

[Sulland]

Has anyone signed up for the Megane IRC cup for 2012 yet ?

[Mirek]

The cup was canceled.

[wildboar]

The cup was canceled.

It was confirmed on 20 March: IRC confirms Renault registration, six-event Mégane N4 European Challenge - News - IRC Intercontinental Rally Challenge - Eurosport (http://www.ircseries.com/news/detail/id/179)

[PLuto]

No, the cup is really cancelled... (Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13447))

[wildboar]

No, the cup is really cancelled... (Autosport (http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=13447))

But that is from 6 March, whereas the IRC confirmation is from 20 March? Also, Consani and Renault have scored points on Canarias.

[PLuto]

Renault is registered into IRC, so they can score points into manufacturers. But Megane N4 Challenge was canceled. Believe me...

[cut full]

Any 2012 upgrades to the Megane ?

german driver mohe sayd after last round of drm: "For the first time this season we used a completely different shock absorber system in our megane. The gamble paid off: we were able to narrow the gap on the competition by at least one second per kilometer WP."

[Mirek]

I don't know if it's by the nature of French roads or just by hands of driver or by better quality of works car but Manu Guigou in French championship seems to be by far faster in Mégane than anyone else...

[darkstar]

it´s reallye a strange car. it sounds even worse then a evo. it rev´s so low, i always think it´s not running right. unfortunately one of the most boring cars renault has ever built for rallyeing, together with the r5 turbo fwd.

[Sulland]

german driver mohe sayd after last round of drm: "For the first time this season we used a completely different shock absorber system in our megane. The gamble paid off: we were able to narrow the gap on the competition by at least one second per kilometer WP."

What type shocks were in 2011, and what type does Mohe use now ?

And yes, turbo cars in general sound boring imo !

[cut full]

I dont know any deatils about the change in shocks, what I wrote is only pressrelease of mohe.

[Tom206wrc]

Not good rally from Ivan Ferrarotti in 1000 Miglia :mark:
Why did he retire :confused:

[Sulland]

It says on Mohes homepage that the car has Öhlin shocks. Is this the original for the Megane, or have new shocks been classed?

[Mirek]

Considering Renault Sport usually uses Öhlins I think they had them on Mégane since the beginning. But of course they can now use different model than previously.

[Jarek Z]

it´s reallye a strange car. it sounds even worse then a evo. it rev´s so low, i always think it´s not running right.

Now that I've seen this new Megane on the stages of ERC Mille Miglia Rally, I can only confirm that. It really is a strange car. Very quiet, but also in some way quite interesting, because it deosn't look that bad. But if you look for a crazy and aggresive rally car, go look somewhere else :)

=25]photo (http://rallyonline.pl/ft.php?idg=5996&pg_[go)

[Sulland]

Yes it is the same with all Gr N cars, they need an exhaust system with sound. It is also a security risk, since you domt hear them when walking back through a ss. You only know it is there when you see them, and that is sometimes a bit late....

[Mirek]

Subaru is loud enough.

[Sulland]

Any upgrades for the Megane for 2013?