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morganmilan
20th January 2011, 13:05
Ancian is driving a 207 "dressed into" a DS3 ;)
The evo 2011 Pug uses part of the latest Cit :p :

Nice times also by Adrien Tambay, son of former F1 driver Patrick, whereas he debuted in rallying late last year :eek: :up:
And you too, Tom

6789
20th January 2011, 13:07
Solberg has won one event on Tarmac, Corsica maybe?

I nominate both end of stage commentators as annoying, let the drivers settle and atleast take their helmut off

AndyRAC
20th January 2011, 13:10
Yes, Solberg won Tour de Corse in 2003, albeit it was a wet one, and he was on Pirellis, which were good on wet Tar.

I too would like to see a few more Fiesta S2000's....which was something they mentioned on the commentary.

Sulland
20th January 2011, 13:13
Hanninen will sweep the floor in SWRC this year !

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 13:14
Few thoughts about the rally.

1. I'd really like to see a Big Gun in a Ford Fiesta.
I guess all the Fiestas are in SWRC.

2. The Second interviewer is nominated to be
"The all time most annoying interviewer." :mad: :D

3. I'd like to see the tension build up on the splits.
Go to incar cam 1 km before the split and do it for every car.
That way we could see different lines and make some comparison.

4. Like to see snow to be able to compare Hänninens speed to Solbergs.

5. Solberg isn't at his best on tarmac, is he.
Has he won any WRC tarmac event.

6. Fiesta goes 169 km/h as well.

1. Agree - last year it looked OK in Mikkelsen's hands but I'd like to see PG or another experienced driver in it.
2. The commentators are even worse in my opinion...
3. They should have more splits I think although it does make the final time more interesting.
4. May get our wish this afternoon!
5. He won Corsica 2003 in the rain due to Loeb's bad tyre choice. Petter's speed is good if you get rid of the first stage where he lost 30s. New car, new genre, his least favourite rally so all things considered its good.

Roy
20th January 2011, 13:15
Few thoughts about the rally.

1. I'd really like to see a Big Gun in a Ford Fiesta.
I guess all the Fiestas are in SWRC.

2. The Second interviewer is nominated to be
"The all time most annoying interviewer." :mad: :D

3. I'd like to see the tension build up on the splits.
Go to incar cam 1 km before the split and do it for every car.
That way we could see different lines and make some comparison.

4. Like to see snow to be able to compare Hänninens speed to Solbergs.

5. Solberg isn't at his best on tarmac, is he.
Has he won any WRC tarmac event.

6. Fiesta goes 169 km/h as well.

P. Solberg only tarmac win was Tour de Corse in 2003. When he became WRChampion Was it him or the pirelli tyres on wet?

HarriK
20th January 2011, 13:16
Was that Garde's comments the same in ss5? maybe those are from ss5?
..let's hope he is still driving...

rage82
20th January 2011, 13:17
Interesting, Vouilloz was on tv and i saw him at the finish baut can't find his time in the classification. Same with Gardeimeister. Does anyone knows why?

HarriK
20th January 2011, 13:21
So it's look like results are not fully updated....

Sulland
20th January 2011, 13:29
But the female Eurosport Interviewer in the depot is very good in more than one way ! ;-)

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 13:47
Chris Mellors said on rallyradio that PG Andersson will do full program on IRC this year with Proton

Sulland
20th January 2011, 13:59
Do anyone have a current weather report from SS 7 ?

dimviii
20th January 2011, 14:00
more photos
http://www.ircseries.com/html/Gallery_Details.asp?pagId=9&pagSize=20&nome=Rally+Monte+Carlo+2011&id=31

René
20th January 2011, 14:13
Do anyone have a current weather report from SS 7 ?

Snowing actualy in St Jean en Royans the snow stay on the road temperature -1 wind 35 kmh,

Sulland
20th January 2011, 14:15
So tyres will be crutial.
If I had been Marc van Dalen I would have kicked the radio man out !

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 14:25
Skoda UK report from day 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTUdvFLcEJw

Luis Pacheco
20th January 2011, 14:29
Chris Mellors said on rallyradio that PG Andersson will do full program on IRC this year with Proton

What´s Proton say is one thing what they do is other thing. :D ;)

Francis44
20th January 2011, 14:34
Plus why would they bother with entry fee's and expenses when the car isnt able to reach the end at first day.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 14:40
Plus why would they bother with entry fee's and expenses when the car isnt able to reach the end at first day.

And you think that Proton should give up?

Francis44
20th January 2011, 14:42
Gave up IRC?! Yes. They would save alot of money entering smaller rally's to test car reliability and etc.... Then enter IRC with a well prepared car.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 14:47
Gave up IRC?! Yes. They would save alot of money entering smaller rally's to test car reliability and etc.... Then enter IRC with a well prepared car.

Pfff...

Mauri A
20th January 2011, 14:48
Sorry, but a silly question for you experts. Which kind of tyres are allowed, snow tyres with or without studs?

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 14:51
16 minutes to start again!

SkodaSRT
20th January 2011, 15:02
Snow, Finally :devil:

René
20th January 2011, 15:03
Is Petter leader tonight?????

Hartusvuori
20th January 2011, 15:03
Quite a different weather, at least at the end of the stage. May it continue.

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 15:03
This is where things get exciting - snow tyres or not? I heard Solberg is planning to use whatever Hanninen doesn't as he needs to gamble!

Nornbugger
20th January 2011, 15:08
Petter won because he had the most points over a season, Petter also showed last year that he can drive well on tar, he only won once on it because he drove a Subaru for so long and also because Loeb won nearly every time on tar

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 15:12
Speaking of whom, I have not had a chance to see Eurosport since the IRC began so the live timings are important to me. And I noticed on SS6, Petter must have been on a flyer because he finished 4 secs ahead of Juho Hanninen who has been very strong in the early goings - winning three of the stages.

Guy Wilkes was also strong in finishing ahead of the guy behind (Delecour). Guy finished just under 6 seconds ahead of the Frenchman who I have thought to be better than Wilkes.

Are those two gaps as big as I am assuming?

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 15:26
Is Petter leader tonight?????

No. It is Hanninen. But Petter is 15.1 seconds behind Juho. So if Petter can find some good pace I think I may well close the gap on Hanninen. I don't think he will take him but I reckon he can close the gap.

Speaking of which SS7 is under way. Petter is going 8th. Two places higher up the order than Hanninen.

Halvis
20th January 2011, 15:26
Quite some snow on the road towards the end of stage. Petter -3 on the split!

Halvis
20th January 2011, 15:28
Delocour on studs, suddenly -1.09 ahead of the first finisher! Petter on intermediates, very interesting to see what pays off in the end!

SkodaSRT
20th January 2011, 15:30
Hot moment for Petter

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 15:32
Delocour on studs, suddenly -1.09 ahead of the first finisher! Petter on intermediates, very interesting to see what pays off in the end!

Just under 56 seconds though behind Bouffier. What tyres were Bouffier on?

Bartek
20th January 2011, 15:33
Amazing conditions! I think the results after SS7 will be crazy :)

I think Bouffier had Snow without studs.

Solberg have got massive problems....

RS
20th January 2011, 15:34
What are conditions like on the following stage and is there a tyre service between stages?

ZequeArgentina
20th January 2011, 15:35
No. It is Hanninen. But Petter is 15.1 seconds behind Juho. So if Petter can find some good pace I think I may well close the gap on Hanninen. I don't think he will take him but I reckon he can close the gap.

Speaking of which SS7 is under way. Petter is going 8th. Two places higher up the order than Hanninen.

The gap is not 15,1 seconds but 51,1, so it wil be more difficult, but it is reported to be snowing now.

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 15:40
Disaster for Petter :(

Exciting stuff though...

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 15:43
Bouffier leads!

AndyRAC
20th January 2011, 15:43
This now a 'proper' Monte......

.....brilliant stuff!!!

dimviii
20th January 2011, 15:44
Monte magic everything change!

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 15:45
Hanninen´s problem? Tyres?

Halvis
20th January 2011, 15:47
Incredible! Do they have time to change tires before next stage? Petter has 2 studded tires in the back...

SkodaSRT
20th January 2011, 15:47
Yes, he says: "It was quite difficult, with intermedia tyres we are lucky to be here. Now we have to focus on finishing the another stage."

Moriarty
20th January 2011, 15:48
What tires has Bouffier? Studs?

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 15:49
Yes, he says: "It was quite difficult, with intermedia tyres we are lucky to be here. Now we have to focus on finishing the another stage."
Thnx, I can´t watch it

RS
20th January 2011, 15:49
Top 5 now within 30seconds!

Juha_Koo
20th January 2011, 15:50
Fantastic stuff... Shame for Hänninen though, wrong tyres. Petter went off (slid wide in a hairpin) and he suspected having a flat tyre.

Bartek
20th January 2011, 15:52
What tires has Bouffier? Studs?

He have 4 snow tyres on the car, but he have also 2 tyres with studs in the trunk.

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 15:57
Delecour could lead by this evening. Bouffier as well. No-one else has a chance of inters/slicks.

SkodaSRT
20th January 2011, 15:58
Bouffier spins!!

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 15:59
Bouffier big spin but recovers.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:00
Bouffier spinned! but ok1

Halvis
20th January 2011, 16:00
How come both Hanninen and Petter did such a catastrophic tyre choice? They even started last!

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:03
Both Loix and Bouffier pretty much agree.

Loux says "Not good without studs. But I didn't do any mistake"

Bouffier said, "It would be better to use the studs. But it's good to see snow here".

Hartusvuori
20th January 2011, 16:06
Rallying in slow motion... :-)

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:11
Is Bouffier a good driver?

Hartusvuori
20th January 2011, 16:11
Wilks overtook Kopecky and Vigion... on the stage.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:11
solberg spinned but not so much time lost

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 16:12
Is Bouffier a good driver?
Real question? Of course, he is!

GigiGalliNo1
20th January 2011, 16:13
Delecour, Loix, oh I miss saying those names!

Just heard and saw the results of SS6 and 7, and I haven't seen so much change in the top ten in so many years!!!! It's so interesting and fantastic to see, but unlucky for some drivers :( P. Solberg... And the conditions, tyre choice!! Man this is a great rally!

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:13
Bouffier Delecour+1 Loix+3sec at split

rp
20th January 2011, 16:19
Real lottery, but this is Monte... Old fox Delecour knew better than boys. Can not understand why Juho did not take snow tyres + 2 studs

ZequeArgentina
20th January 2011, 16:20
Great!!!
Delecour uses his exerience in this rally and is now right there.
Excellent for him and the rally

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:21
maybe top 3 for Delecour after this stage.

hari
20th January 2011, 16:24
What a drama!

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:33
Real question? Of course, he is!

I am new to the IRC, y'knar. Keep up lad. Your lagging.

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 16:36
I am new to the IRC, y'knar. Keep up lad. Your lagging.
Not trying to be rude! Bouffier is a well-known driver, especially in Poland and France, even if you haven´t followed IRC. Neither has he!!

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:36
Toni got a puncture.

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 16:38
very good two last stages for peugeot! Very bad for Skoda! :eek:

Halvis
20th January 2011, 16:39
Real lottery, but this is Monte... Old fox Delecour knew better than boys. Can not understand why Juho did not take snow tyres + 2 studs

Same for Petter. How could they make such a terrible mistake? Thinking about how expensive there is to do a rally, compare that with a person and a mobile phone to tell them it's actually snowing!

RS
20th January 2011, 16:39
Amazing, really anything could happen tomorrow!

cali
20th January 2011, 16:40
Fantastic Monte again! It so exciting and fantastic to see it all Live:thumbs: Shame for Juho and Petter as they did brilliant job so far.

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:42
Not trying to be rude! Bouffier is a well-known driver, especially in Poland and France, even if you haven´t followed IRC. Neither has he!!

I know. You and I are still cool. Just there is so many rally drivers, isn't there.

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 16:42
Great job by Gonon - 3rd in stage with a GpN Impreza.

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:43
Amazing, really anything could happen tomorrow!

Bouffier must start as favourite. Rally Radio thinks so.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:44
Gonon with sti subaru 3rd fastest at ss!!

N.O.T
20th January 2011, 16:47
Crazy monte... exciting....

EavesFan09
20th January 2011, 16:50
very good two last stages for peugeot! Very bad for Skoda! :eek:

Indeed. But a word for Skoda runner Alex Caffi surely who has come from nowhere to finish 12th from 15th.

René
20th January 2011, 16:50
Between Juho and Petter I think the mistake is not to have chosen tyres according with situation weather, but to copy the choice of other one and as it was an big error.

N.O.T
20th January 2011, 16:52
I want delecour to win....since the rally is not decided by driving but by lucky choices its good to see the old dog on top !!!

Tom206wrc
20th January 2011, 16:54
News Andrea Crugnola SS8 ??? :confused:
Michaël Burri leading 2WD with DS3 ??? :D

Edit: Burri leading ahead of Poutot and Campana in the 2WD ;)

Halvis
20th January 2011, 16:56
I must say I don't share the reporters and several forum members exitement about this particular Monte rally, I agree it's great with live coverage, but raging about how fantastic it is to watch the cars slide everywhere without grip is not my idea of good rally. There will always be an elements of tyre choices, but this was simply parodic, IMO.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 16:57
Between Juho and Petter I think the mistake is not to have chosen tyres according with situation weather, but to copy the choice of other one and as it was an big error.
Seems like that Rene.

pettersolberg29
20th January 2011, 16:57
I want delecour to win....since the rally is not decided by driving but by lucky choices its good to see the old dog on top !!!

A quick sentimental post from me...
Does anyone else find all the IRC drivers likeable? Despite being a fan of Petter and Andreas, I'd be happy for Bouffier, Delecour, Sarrazin, Loix, Wilks, Juho or anyone to win as everyone seems nice, down to earth etc. In the WRC it's not like this. Sordo and Loeb are dull and dislikable, as is Mikko. Wilson, Kimi and Al-Qassami are always miserable and rubbish. Only the Solbergs, JML and dare I say Block have any personality or likeability. Whereas in this Monte rally I'm just happy to see anyone win!

N.O.T
20th January 2011, 17:00
its always like that with b-class championships everywhere in every sport....less stress on them so its normal to be more relaxed.

AndyRAC
20th January 2011, 17:00
The Monte has always been like that - it's just that this is the first time we've seen it played out live on TV....

N.O.T
20th January 2011, 17:03
last year was also live

AndyRAC
20th January 2011, 17:10
Yeah, so was 2009, but this is the first time we've seen a huge turnaround in the leaderboard. The Monte is famous for it stories of tyre lottery choices - and we've just witnessed it.

René
20th January 2011, 17:10
At the same time it is necessary to congratulate all these drivers which control their cars in these terrible conditions with unadapted tyres on these dangerous roads.... Low hat sirs

Mise
20th January 2011, 17:12
Did Juho say that he had one snow tyre in front and the other in back.
And of course one intermedium front and the other in back.
They had the same tyres with Solberg and still the gab was 30 secs.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 17:14
Also Amaxopoulos Dimitris with rented ds3 is going well for his first Monte

dimviii
20th January 2011, 17:23
Raoux with clio r3 is 7th fastest at ss lol

RS
20th January 2011, 17:25
I must say I don't share the reporters and several forum members exitement about this particular Monte rally, I agree it's great with live coverage, but raging about how fantastic it is to watch the cars slide everywhere without grip is not my idea of good rally. There will always be an elements of tyre choices, but this was simply parodic, IMO.

Only the last 2 stages turned this way. Up until then we had a great battle for the first few places, now we have a different one. Tyre choice is all part of the game.

Maybe I'm being cynical but are you sure your dislike doesn't have a little bit to do with the performance of your favourite drivers?

RS
20th January 2011, 17:26
Did Juho say that he had one snow tyre in front and the other in back.
And of course one intermedium front and the other in back.
They had the same tyres with Solberg and still the gab was 30 secs.

I think so, I think he said they had a cross pattern.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 17:26
Kopecky and Hanninen had same tyres?Big gap between them at last ss if so.

RS
20th January 2011, 17:30
Kopecky and Hanninen had same tyres?Big gap between them at last ss if so.

I think Kopecky had all inters, Juho had 2 snow tyres.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 17:32
Hänninen had two spare snow tyres but Kopecký just intermediat

dimviii
20th January 2011, 17:35
I think Kopecky had all inters, Juho had 2 snow tyres.

Aha thats why Kopecky lost 7 minutes instead of 2,46 of Juho.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 17:37
Hänninen had two spare snow tyres but Kopecký just intermediat


so Kopecky started with 4 intermediat tyres on car and 2 intermediat as spares? thats completely silly.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 17:43
I think they were badly advised by the team

René
20th January 2011, 17:50
Lefebvre Twingo R2 10 th at the stage.....

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 17:56
There must be some confusion with the times.
Cedric Petiet is 13th with a Renault Twingo R1 and only lost 2 m15s to Delecour.
I don't believe

Mise
20th January 2011, 17:59
Four studs doesn't do the trick for you?

Allyc85
20th January 2011, 17:59
Arrived home to find there was no sound on the eurosport HD channel that I was recording which was really annoying! Luckily I was back in time to see Wilks on onwards crossing the finish line, and to see the others sliding around in the snow, love it!

My work mates just couldnt understand it and laughed at me when I said its not a proper Monte Carlo if its dry like yesterday, maybe its too much for their little minds to understand ;)

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 18:07
Four studs doesn't do the trick for you?

On the first round in dry conditions, Petiet lost almost 5 minutes to Delecour.
Delecour add some studs in the afternoon and only won 2 minutes in those conditions?

Donney
20th January 2011, 18:13
I love how the Monte always seems to have something up its sleeve!!!

Halvis
20th January 2011, 18:19
Only the last 2 stages turned this way. Up until then we had a great battle for the first few places, now we have a different one. Tyre choice is all part of the game.

Maybe I'm being cynical but are you sure your dislike doesn't have a little bit to do with the performance of your favourite drivers?

I understand your assumption, but that's not the case - after all, it was Hanninen that lost a "safe" lead - and in fact, also lost the win.

However, I am utterly dissapointed about the stupid tyre choice, you're right there!

Mise
20th January 2011, 18:27
On the first round in dry conditions, Petiet lost almost 5 minutes to Delecour.
Delecour add some studs in the afternoon and only won 2 minutes in those conditions?

Now that sun went down there has to be colder.
And when its colder the snow is harder.
And when the snow is harder, the stud has more traction,
since there's less tarmac showing under the snow.

There are lot's of people driving good times
with big starting numbers

Hipo1990
20th January 2011, 18:29
I have a question, wich results are correct?
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/8irc.php
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/day2/8irc.php

Sulland
20th January 2011, 18:36
I on the other hand loved those two stages, and like the monte lottery conditions. But I am amazed how bad tyre choices the top drivers did. The teams has forgotten the basics, have a couple of friends on each stage reporting the real conditions. As far as I understood that is whar Delecour had, and went for a concervative tyrechoice.

That non of the intermediate drivers went off is amazing, but good work from them, in an frustrating situation. Hanninen and Solberg took a gamble to win, but lost, and took it like men !

This is almost like old classic rallying, that we had before the sprint format WRC and IRC has today, where you had to think as well as driving, not only pedal to the metal all the time. This is only happening in MC, and that TV production was exiting and will become a classic in my book.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 18:41
I have a question, wich results are correct?
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/8irc.php
http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte/day2/8irc.php

Both.
But the 2nd is just for today results

ridder
20th January 2011, 18:43
Solberg told autosport in the last service that he is prepared to gamble with the tire choice and that it's his only chance to win because he doesn't believe he can take back 50 secs from Hanninen by driving.
Article here: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89009

So he took the risk.... and seems to me like Hanninen just followed and Kopecky was told to follow? During same service Hanninen told autosport that he only fears Solberg for the win, so maybe he was too fixed on his tirechoice. That said I can't understand why Kopecky took 2 extra intermedias when he had 4 on. Sure tirewear is not that great issue when it's around 0 degrees?

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 18:44
Now that sun went down there has to be colder.
And when its colder the snow is harder.
And when the snow is harder, the stud has more traction,
since there's less tarmac showing under the snow.

There are lot's of people driving good times
with big starting numbers

You maybe right in what you say but I'll be standing in the back for these times

morganmilan
20th January 2011, 19:29
I on the other hand loved those two stages, and like the monte lottery conditions. But I am amazed how bad tyre choices the top drivers did. The teams has forgotten the basics, have a couple of friends on each stage reporting the real conditions. As far as I understood that is whar Delecour had, and went for a concervative tyrechoice.

That non of the intermediate drivers went off is amazing, but good work from them, in an frustrating situation. Hanninen and Solberg took a gamble to win, but lost, and took it like men !

This is almost like old classic rallying, that we had before the sprint format WRC and IRC has today, where you had to think as well as driving, not only pedal to the metal all the time. This is only happening in MC, and that TV production was exiting and will become a classic in my book.
+1

KKS
20th January 2011, 19:38
Any snow pics?

Mise
20th January 2011, 19:41
You maybe right in what you say but I'll be standing in the back for these times

and if I'm wrong you say:

I told you so, right? :D

Mirek
20th January 2011, 20:01
Is it so that the Peugeot has a different kind of gearbox than Skoda and Ford? If so, could that be the reason for the difference in top speed? Not just the difference in choosing a gearbox with high vs. low gearing? I suspect that the Peugeot with high gearing would loose a lot to the Skoda in the twisty sections we saw yesterday, where Petter was the quickest driver in both passings.

Škoda usually use gearbox with top speed 171 on tarmac. Peugeot usually use 175, sometimes 165. Škoda used to have shorter 1-2-3 and longer 4-5-6 (Ford even more) but that may have changed through the time.

Mirek
20th January 2011, 20:04
Campana lost alot,, what problem anybody knows?

Drove on flat tyre around us - front right.

dimviii
20th January 2011, 20:12
Come on Mirek tell us moooore!!

Mirek
20th January 2011, 20:22
I was on SS5/7 downhill section in last quarter of stage. The tyre choice of factory Škoda was nothing less than an epic fail. It was completely silly decision! Snow started to fall there at the end of first run and it was snowing all time when spies were going through. They made a narrow clean line on the road but after they stopped driving some hour before start, it disappeared under new snow. When stage started there was some 3-4 cm of snow on the road and cars on intermediate tyres were simply undrivable in downhill, it was very difficult to brake them somehow especially with the fog. On the other hand Delecour was by far most spectacular there. Most of the crews looked quite slow at our spot but guys who were near start where there was no snow told me that it was crazy to see them drifting in high speed on tarmac with winter tyres. But anyway we saw a looot of overtaking at our spot :D

So, tomorrow is another day but it's virtually lost for Juho, what a shame...

dimviii
20th January 2011, 20:25
Thanks Mirek!

edit. Mirek do you know if at ss 8 Loix, Juho , and Jan had same combo of tyres? ie 2 intermidiates 2 snow tyres?

Sulland
20th January 2011, 20:34
Škoda usually use gearbox with top speed 171 on tarmac. Peugeot usually use 175, sometimes 165. Škoda used to have shorter 1-2-3 and longer 4-5-6 (Ford even more) but that may have changed through the time.

But are there any practical differences btw the Sadev and Xtrac boxes? Sounded like the Xtrac feature of the two drop gears in the back diff is one, but saw that they changed the back diff on petters pug yesterday, but might be a normal change.

If they need the torque, cant they just put in a high 6 th, and have the rev drop there instead of btw 3 and 4th ?

I am amazed how quick they go from 1 to 6 gear, so maybe they need 7 gears to get more speed. It can not be healthy for the engine to run on the limiter for up to 40 sec to 1 minute.

tolis
20th January 2011, 20:35
Any snow pics?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bestofrallylive/sets/72157625733882699/with/5373532004/

Nornbugger
20th January 2011, 20:37
Incredible driving that the top guys all got through, but Bouffier was incredibly lucky.
Delecour is the Daddy today though, amazed that others all got it so wrong, I'd have thought that heading into changable conditions like that teams would have spread their risk and put some of there drivers each way on choice.

Whats the forecast for tomorrow?

dimviii
20th January 2011, 20:41
Tommorow at night stages are going to start only 60 crews.Currently Elena is ranking 62th .

peg306
20th January 2011, 20:46
Thanks Mirek!

edit. Mirek do you know if at ss 8 Loix, Juho , and Jan had same combo of tyres? ie 2 intermidiates 2 snow tyres?
If i understood the tv commentators correct, none of them had the same combo. Loix on 4 snow tyres, Hänninen 2 snow/2 intermediates, And Kopecky on 4 intermediates.

Micke_VOC
20th January 2011, 20:48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4zlePobOoM Bouffier Spins

dimviii
20th January 2011, 21:00
If i understood the tv commentators correct, none of them had the same combo. Loix on 4 snow tyres, Hänninen 2 snow/2 intermediates, And Kopecky on 4 intermediates.
Loix had 2 intermediate and 2 snow as irc site wrote.Same Hanninen,but the diff between them at ss8 is very big if they had same tyres(1,20min) specially if you think the flat tyre of last km and 2 spins of Loix

FabiaFan
20th January 2011, 21:03
Awful day :-/

Intersesting - by the end of day 2 Solberg still without a single SS win! And not able to keep up with Hanninen!:-o

Honza H.
20th January 2011, 21:10
If i understood the tv commentators correct, none of them had the same combo. Loix on 4 snow tyres, Hänninen 2 snow/2 intermediates, And Kopecky on 4 intermediates.

Yes, Eurosport guys really said that: it means that none of the top 3 Skoda guys had the same tyres.
Well, isn´t that the spread of risk mentioned by Nornbugger above? Do not forget, according to the split times, Freddy would have been much faster if not for his flat tyre during last 10 km of SS8. Without the flat tyre, Freddy would have almost been attacking the overall lead.
(Not mentioning 4 stud tyres of Delecour and 2 stud tyres of Bouffier - the guys were really the only exception amongst the top drivers...and they are both French :) ).

What I´m trying to say is, that the strategy of Skoda maybe wasn´t that bad as the present results might imply.

Barreis
20th January 2011, 21:12
Gravel crews had to go 2 hours earlier to see the stage..

fmcv
20th January 2011, 21:15
I Just arrived home and i've been watching the recorded Eusrosport transmission which was awsome!

Mirek, Hanninen and Kopecky both seemed completely mad about "an insane guy" who sent them racing on those tyres. Bad ambience in the Skoda Team? Were they talking about Hrabanek? What do you think?

Mirek
20th January 2011, 21:19
Gravel crews had to go 2 hours earlier to see the stage..

No. They were driving through stage up to approximately 3 o'clock which is an hour before start. It started snowing at around 2 o'clock and was snowing all the time. I was there...

KKS
20th January 2011, 21:20
tolis11, tnx for pics.



And why Kopecky didn't care 2 spare snow tyres as Haninen did?

Luis Pacheco
20th January 2011, 21:22
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JMcLLcqP6E

dimviii
20th January 2011, 21:24
Yes, Eurosport guys really said that: it means that none of the top 3 Skoda guys had the same tyres.
Well, isn´t that the spread of risk mentioned by Nornbugger above? Do not forget, according to the split times, Freddy would have been much faster if not for his flat tyre during last 10 km of SS8. Without the flat tyre, Freddy would have almost been attacking the overall lead.
(Not mentioning 4 stud tyres of Delecour and 2 stud tyres of Bouffier - the guys were really the only exception amongst the top drivers...and they are both French :) ).

What I´m trying to say is, that the strategy of Skoda maybe wasn´t that bad as the present results might imply.
Βut here says that Loix and Hanninen had same combo
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=2414

which if it is true is strange the diff between them.

AndyRAC
20th January 2011, 21:32
I was listening to IRC Rally Radio, and while they were in the service park, they were discussing the tyre choices - i was slightly surprised by some of the choices. However, there wasn't any doubt in Delecour's mind about his choice - he was extremely positive - "there is snow..." everybody else thought he was mad. I can understand Hanninen's choice - he was covering whatever Solberg did - who chose intermediates, with 2 winter tyres in the boot. What I find strange from Skoda is not splitting their strategy to cover both bases - Kopecky should have been on winter/studded tyres. It always amazes me when in difficult/mixed weather comditions, teams don't always cover both bases. Ducati did the same last year at Donington - in a wet/damp race, both were on dry set ups.
How can so many people get such different weather information, and get it wrong. I thought we all knew it would snow in the afternoon.....

urabus-denoS2000
20th January 2011, 21:47
Came home after a long day , and I just couldn't believe my eyes . Delecour 2nd ?!?! I don't think anyone could have predicted this outcome after the 2nd day . The old man first shocked me with a very good and steady pace during the whole rally , but this is simply fantastic ! Seeing Kopecky on 4 intemediates really shocked me , makes a big fail for the whole Škoda Motorsport team ... They had the reasons of course , but the result was catastrophic , 1 Škoda in the top 5 . However , after seeing today's action one must say Loix has realistic chances for a victory . Can't wait for Turini night :)



I guess now its : Go Delecour !!! :)

Honza H.
20th January 2011, 21:48
Now, let´s turn the page: what change in the overall results may we expect tomorrow? Will Freddy reach the top? Is Delecour capable to speed up a bit? Is it still possible to see an overall win of Hanninen? What about other guys from the top 7?

bluuford
20th January 2011, 22:18
Now, let´s turn the page: what change in the overall results may we expect tomorrow? Will Freddy reach the top? Is Delecour capable to speed up a bit? Is it still possible to see an overall win of Hanninen? What about other guys from the top 7?

Well, tomorrows forecasts are currently very tricky.Local forecast tells that there will not be snowfall in most of tomorrow stages. The weather maps that I just got are showing completely different picture. Snow, snow and in the afternoon - even more snow. Which one is right? Well, my long prediction was generally correct. It was nice weather during the first day and it turned worse today in the afternoon. Currently I would like to say that it turns even more worse tomorrow afternoon.
Assuming, it will be snow and Hanninen is very fast on white stuff (with normal tires:-)). I would position him on podium for sure. But not to the highest step. Did you noticed that there were no retirements in top 10 today? It will not continue like this tomorrow. Current top two drives too crazy to stay on the road for next 5 stages :-P

Mirek
20th January 2011, 22:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMwjIa5YGXA

JHvP
20th January 2011, 22:42
Kopecký did not have spare intermediates, he had spare slicks! :D

Mise
20th January 2011, 22:45
Βut here says that Loix and Hanninen had same combo
http://www.ircseries.com/html/readnews.asp?id=2414

which if it is true is strange the diff between them.

From your article:
(Petter Solberg started stage seven in second overall in his 207 after demoting Freddy Loix when the Belgian spun his Fabia six kilometres into stage six. Solberg gambled by choosing intermediate tyres for the afternoon stages and fell back to seventh, while Loix chose a combination of intermediate and snow covers and managed to hold onto third place as he slithered through the falling snow. )

I think Loix had 2 snow tyres in front and intermediate in the back in ss7.
In ss8 he took two snows and switched those intermediates away.

Hänninen and Solberg had 4 intermediates and 2 snow tyres.
So they could change snow tyres into front and intermediates to back.
All though I think Hänninen had them snow & intermediate tyre in front
and intermediate tyre & snow in th back.

6789
20th January 2011, 22:48
Wow! Looks like I missed out on a lot of action last night! Not sure if it was wise by Hanninen to consider Solberg as his only remaining competition. Hope Petter can get some stage victories tomorrow, then I can't wait until Sweden!

Mirek
20th January 2011, 22:48
I don't understand using one snow tyre in front and one rear together with one intermediate infront and one in rear. Such car must be very unstable in braking and acceleration.

RICARDO75
20th January 2011, 23:12
Tommorow at night stages are going to start only 60 crews.Currently Elena is ranking 62th .

He still has a chance because there will be a new start list on stage 10 for the 60 crews

Livewireshock
21st January 2011, 00:32
What a night! Stayed up until 4am watching it and was amazed the whole way. Some drivers were caught out watching each other for tyre choice rather than looking at the actual conditions. A sudden trend among the front runners, making other people think that must be the better choice. Delecour's quote ,".........because it is snowing!" is especially apt, considering the other competitors were looking at him strangely for his wild different but ultimately correct choice of tyre. Sometimes the service park can be all like sheep, wanting to follow the choice of others, believing that the leading crews will make the correct choice.

PLuto
21st January 2011, 00:57
Ok then, where are you looking at results, I was looking in the official acm.mc site, and there was no sign of him.

http://irc-results.com/2011/irc/monte
http://rally-base.com/2011/rallye-monte-carlo-2011/

PLuto
21st January 2011, 01:20
My view to "tyre choice theme" - We were in the middle of SS 5 and then moved to SS 8. Snow starts when last cars went through SS 5. But, after 40 mins of snowing there wasnt so much snow on the road, no ice. Then we decided to move to SS 8, which was near. We arrived there and no snowing (or only very slightly), no snow on the road. More snow was falling later, but most of top gravel crews went in time without snow. Dont forget, that crews must decided their time choice more than hour before start of the stage! I was on the stage with codriver of one retired crews and in time around 1,5 half before stage start he wasnt sure which tyre choice should be the best. He told he will use D10 for safer reason... With tyre choice it is difficult every year on Monte, because conditions are changing and on different part of stages should be different weather. But for sure, slicks was crazy version from beginning, intermedia was risk... Crews which started later had better information about conditions on stages = better tyre choice = better times.

PLuto
21st January 2011, 01:25
Photogallery from second day by Roman Kasparek - http://www.autosport.cz/clanek.php?cl=11633

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/6ee771280252080dd6d9c32aaf12bd31.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/871ac616b2fa34e85eaab36d047846cf.jpghttp://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/3822dfcfb6ffc38260a553ec9a41ea5c.jpg

wwbroe
21st January 2011, 02:09
From your article:
(Petter Solberg started stage seven in second overall in his 207 after demoting Freddy Loix when the Belgian spun his Fabia six kilometres into stage six. Solberg gambled by choosing intermediate tyres for the afternoon stages and fell back to seventh, while Loix chose a combination of intermediate and snow covers and managed to hold onto third place as he slithered through the falling snow. )

I think Loix had 2 snow tyres in front and intermediate in the back in ss7.
In ss8 he took two snows and switched those intermediates away.

Hänninen and Solberg had 4 intermediates and 2 snow tyres.
So they could change snow tyres into front and intermediates to back.

All though I think Hänninen had them snow & intermediate tyre in front
and intermediate tyre & snow in th back.



Loix had four snowtyres both in stage 7 and 8, unfortunally he had puncture for last 10 km in stage 8, but hey that is Monte.
I think analyses of Pluto and Mirek are quite correct. Only thing is that gravelcrews don't decide tyres in Skoda team or in Peugeot team, they have weather crew for that on stage's. The time gravelcrews can go on the stages is too late, as cars are allready left servicepark in Valence. But it is typical Monte Carlo issue.
The time gravelcrew went trough stage 7, the first 8 km of stage was still completely dry as you can see on Kopecky's split after 7 kms. Also stage 8 first part was absolutely no snow, but it got only worse after that, but that time crews allready had to make tyrechoice. But anyhow it all belongs to Monte legendary changing conditions. Today is another day and let's see what will happen with weather today. :)

bluuford
21st January 2011, 05:48
I don't understand using one snow tyre in front and one rear together with one intermediate infront and one in rear. Such car must be very unstable in braking and acceleration.

For the finn it is normal :-P
Anyway, I have done it with road-car once (in my village house I had a car with summer tires two winter tires and two winter tires on the rim and I had to cover 15km to reach to the tire service) and it was indeed much better than winter tires only in front. When the winters were only in front then the back end just didn't had any grip. On the corners it was really hard to slow the car down. When you put one to the front right and other to the rear left, then you have much more control while braking. Otherwise you are like traging the sledge when you slow down, then the sledge passes you :-P

piquet20
21st January 2011, 07:39
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_9749.jpg

Ucci
21st January 2011, 07:41
Can't forget last night watching the two last stages! What a drama, what an adrenaline!! My phone was ringing all the time, friends were calling-look ''your'' Delecour as he was playing games with others. Still, Buffier was faster!
But I'm proud as hell, as I was the only who belived in him and I wrote that he is capable finishing top3. Guys like Martijns, dimviii, FabraFan, urabus-denoS2000, Barreis and big Pug fan Tom206wrc-you were laughing after my post-I expect at least one apology...You forgot one fact-Delecour was already leading MC in 1991 with Sierra, as half of his today's competitors were filling diapers and drinking breasts milk.....
I'm fully aware that in a ''normal'' rally top IRC regular drivers are faster and so I would not count FD among fastest, but as MC is a special rally, demanding a lot of experience, he was and still is benchmark for others.
So, good luck to all !!

piquet20
21st January 2011, 07:41
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_9642.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_1815-1.jpg

Bruce D
21st January 2011, 08:01
Awesome pics Piquet20!

Hartusvuori
21st January 2011, 08:05
So this morning stage won't be on Eurosport? Or...?

René
21st January 2011, 08:11
So this morning stage won't be on Eurosport? Or...?

Not this morning only for the 10, 11, 12, 13 stages... ;)

hari
21st January 2011, 08:11
So lets start the game again.

-6 to -10 degrees, blue sky and no snow on the stage

Hartusvuori
21st January 2011, 08:12
Not this morning only for the 10, 11, 12, 13 stages... ;)

OK - thanks. WRR is on though.

René
21st January 2011, 08:15
My view to "tyre choice theme" - We were in the middle of SS 5 and then moved to SS 8. Snow starts when last cars went through SS 5. But, after 40 mins of snowing there wasnt so much snow on the road, no ice. Then we decided to move to SS 8, which was near. We arrived there and no snowing (or only very slightly), no snow on the road. More snow was falling later, but most of top gravel crews went in time without snow. Dont forget, that crews must decided their time choice more than hour before start of the stage! I was on the stage with codriver of one retired crews and in time around 1,5 half before stage start he wasnt sure which tyre choice should be the best. He told he will use D10 for safer reason... With tyre choice it is difficult every year on Monte, because conditions are changing and on different part of stages should be different weather. But for sure, slicks was crazy version from beginning, intermedia was risk... Crews which started later had better information about conditions on stages = better tyre choice = better times.

For Monte Carlo, the only one solution when the weather is not sure is the obligation to have some persons standing in the stage to inform the Team until last minute to take up tires. When you have nobody as it, it is necessary to take the telephone number of some dealer in the villages of the stage. It’s never the gravel crews, who pass 2 h 00 before the competitors who can give the las short good informations. Delecours had these persons yesterday and obviously not the others Team. If you don’t do that you take a big risk to lose the Rally. ;)

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 08:19
Look who was 7th in the SS8! (firs now I saw the update...I didn't follow it till the end yesterday) :-o A 2WD!!! Under this conditions!!!!!

Hartusvuori
21st January 2011, 08:31
Look who was 7th in the SS8! (firs now I saw the update...I didn't follow it till the end yesterday) :-o A 2WD!!! Under this conditions!!!!!

And a Twingo R2 10th and even Twingo R1 half a minute faster than Hänninen. They got time to make proper tyre choices I think and perhaps the road cleared for them

Sulland
21st January 2011, 08:32
Is this one live on TV ?

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 08:34
Is this one live on TV ?

No. And this one quite boring till now... ;-)

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 08:36
Solberg complains reverse tyre choice mistake today! ;-)

...and again no win for him...

morganmilan
21st January 2011, 08:45
Onloy 20.2 between delecour (2nd) and Wilks (4th). What a night!!

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 08:47
Nothing is certain during the night stages....

morganmilan
21st January 2011, 08:48
1.17.9 between first and fifth!!

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 08:48
Bouffier too cautious???

Sulland
21st January 2011, 08:49
I want to see more of Delecour in IRC, either in S2000 or a GT car, he adds to the event !

And I must say I am impressed by Caffi, and also young Tambay in his second rally.

RS
21st January 2011, 09:01
Nicely poised for this evening now. Bouffier has to be favourite but I guess Loix, Wilks or Sarrazin have a chance too. Great drive by Delecour but he doesn't have the pure pace to win without luck.

piquet20
21st January 2011, 09:04
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_9778.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_9651.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v723/turbolimac/monte%20carlo%2001%202011/_MG_1636.jpg

RobertS
21st January 2011, 09:04
But I'm proud as hell, as I was the only who belived in him and I wrote that he is capable finishing top3. Guys like Martijns, dimviii, FabraFan, urabus-denoS2000, Barreis and big Pug fan Tom206wrc-you were laughing after my post-I expect at least one apology...You forgot one fact-Delecour was already leading MC in 1991 with Sierra, as half of his today's competitors were filling diapers and drinking breasts milk....
Khhmmm... >


I hope this car and the team is competitive on the 'Monte-roads'.
Delecour is one of the real Monte specialists, somehow I feel it will not a 'jubilee milk-run' from him...
Go Francois !!! Give hard times for the 'young guns' :D
At least a few optimistic(nostalgic?) other people ;)

At the moment I hope the 'old-fox' has young eyes for tonight :D

piquet20
21st January 2011, 09:04
...day two from EVO magzine Croatia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RGxbKi0XAg&feature=feedu

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 09:13
Skoda Motorsport says it was Hanninen's choice! (compared to Kopecky, wo didn!t have yet the right info at the time he was putting on tyres...)
http://moto.sport.cz/clanek/181338-citime-zklamani-posteskl-si-sef-tymu-skoda-po-spatne-volbe-pneumatik.html

Sulland
21st January 2011, 09:39
With 69 cars left after yesterday, they should let all doe the rest - it is the century rally, let them all celebrate !

Jafry
21st January 2011, 09:40
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/829/829_rally_monte_carlo_c8401df568.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/829/829_rally_monte_carlo_6b52599d90.jpg

http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/829/829_rally_monte_carlo_a1c5a75d33.jpg

More photos from 2nd leg of Monte HERE (http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=829&fseason=2011) ;)

bluuford
21st January 2011, 09:55
With 69 cars left after yesterday, they should let all doe the rest - it is the century rally, let them all celebrate !
Looks like 68 started today in the morning and looks like Tempestini has retired in the stage. So, Elena is number 60! That means, he should be in :-) and only 7 cars will be out. Anyway, it is sooo long road section that it is highly possible that some cars still drop out before reaching to Monaco.

KKS
21st January 2011, 10:21
...day two from EVO magzine Croatia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RGxbKi0XAg&feature=feedu

Very nice video. Tnx!

Livewireshock
21st January 2011, 10:45
http://www.rally-mania.cz/fotogalerie/2011/829/829_rally_monte_carlo_a1c5a75d33.jpg



Where is the lounge suite and drinks bar? Other wise it was almost the perfect setup for spectating.

urabus-denoS2000
21st January 2011, 10:59
Can't forget last night watching the two last stages! What a drama, what an adrenaline!! My phone was ringing all the time, friends were calling-look ''your'' Delecour as he was playing games with others. Still, Buffier was faster!
But I'm proud as hell, as I was the only who belived in him and I wrote that he is capable finishing top3. Guys like Martijns, dimviii, FabraFan, urabus-denoS2000, Barreis and big Pug fan Tom206wrc-you were laughing after my post-I expect at least one apology...You forgot one fact-Delecour was already leading MC in 1991 with Sierra, as half of his today's competitors were filling diapers and drinking breasts milk.....
I'm fully aware that in a ''normal'' rally top IRC regular drivers are faster and so I would not count FD among fastest, but as MC is a special rally, demanding a lot of experience, he was and still is benchmark for others.
So, good luck to all !!


Prav ste imeli ;)

dimviii
21st January 2011, 11:00
lol @Ucci :dozey:

lets get the FACTS.
Delecour(whom i highly respect) till ss 6,the stage where tyres didn t have major role was 2,15 sec behind.Thats a 0,8 sec per km as his best ss times was constantly 7th-8th.Thats a fact,not what i think or what i d like.Today at ss9 was 1,16 sec per km slower.
So me and Martijns, FabraFan, urabus-denoS2000, Barreis and big Pug fan Tom206wrc as you saw we knew very well what did we said,even we didn t laugh as you said.
Of course we couldn t ''know'' that hole skoda works team will make such a mistake at tyre choose some days before as you could.
So as you can see Delecour is no near in terms of speed against today drivers.Only with snow tyres with spikes against intermidiate ones in some 5 cm snow.
So your faith about Delecour has to be about luck,or somebody else mistakes.

dimviii
21st January 2011, 11:01
Where is the lounge suite and drinks bar? Other wise it was almost the perfect setup for spectating.

Tottaly mad these guys!! lol

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 11:22
lol @Ucci :dozey:

So your faith about Delecour has to be about luck,or somebody else mistakes.

Yes, those are the facts, 7-8th places AFTER the crashes of Mikkelsen, H.Solberg and Neuville... However, I'd have expected him further down, even behind Basso and Gardemeister for example...

gregwrc
21st January 2011, 11:25
Where is the lounge suite and drinks bar? Other wise it was almost the perfect setup for spectating.

RESPECT ...... Master in Spectating..... ;) ;)

Mitch555
21st January 2011, 11:26
Would anyone have recorded last nights live stages from the English broadcast? I've been told I got a mention on there and must have missed it while my stream was dropping out. Would really love to have a copy!

6789
21st January 2011, 11:31
Would anyone have recorded last nights live stages from the English broadcast? I've been told I got a mention on there and must have missed it while my stream was dropping out. Would really love to have a copy!
Yeah I heard it, was on the first loop, read out your tweet and everything! I'm looking for the live coverage recorded, so if I find it I'll let you know

Mitch555
21st January 2011, 11:36
cheers mate you are a legend!

mm1
21st January 2011, 11:57
Has somebody recorded/found video from first day (2nd stage), where Juho was interviewed at the stage end, that was one classic quote from him.

Mise
21st January 2011, 12:17
Has somebody recorded/found video from first day (2nd stage), where Juho was interviewed at the stage end, that was one classic quote from him.

I liked Petter's comment from the first day:

"There is lots of mud and s**t on the road."

I like it cause too often they say the usual jargon
about pushing 100 % and we will see how did it went.

And this is about all sports.

Infact I woulnn't miss those stupid interviews at all
if they were to be stopped for some reason.

bluuford
21st January 2011, 12:24
I was not able to follow the second loop live. however, when I reached home, then I decided not to check results and skip the highlights program. I waited until the whole live was uploaded to Eurosport player and watched it. Awesome, without any comments. You can watch the pure live show without any comments and stage end interviews only!

Sulland
21st January 2011, 12:51
I liked Petter's comment from the first day:

"There is lots of mud and s**t on the road."

I like it cause too often they say the usual jargon
about pushing 100 % and we will see how did it went.

And this is about all sports.

Infact I woulnn't miss those stupid interviews at all
if they were to be stopped for some reason.

The Solberg comment regarding **** has a logical explanation. This is norwegian/english since I guess **** is taken from the norwegian word skitt that in this context means dirt.
I am aware that **** in the English speaking is a "bad" word, but he does not mean anything by it, it is just a description.

HaCo
21st January 2011, 16:05
Any news on Loix, smoke was coming out of the car at the finish of the last stage!

br21
21st January 2011, 16:24
weather on last two stages anyone?

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 16:40
And where are you going to watch it? I mean web.

Ondra WRC
21st January 2011, 16:44
What is the weather in the last stages?

RS
21st January 2011, 17:05
Not long till Turini night starts guys! I guess the top 7 will still be pushing pretty hard, and I am sure Petter will want to win at least one stage before the end.

bluuford
21st January 2011, 17:07
Well, tomorrows forecasts are currently very tricky.Local forecast tells that there will not be snowfall in most of tomorrow stages. The weather maps that I just got are showing completely different picture. Snow, snow and in the afternoon - even more snow. Which one is right? Well, my long prediction was generally correct. It was nice weather during the first day and it turned worse today in the afternoon. Currently I would like to say that it turns even more worse tomorrow afternoon.
Assuming, it will be snow and Hanninen is very fast on white stuff (with normal tires:-)). I would position him on podium for sure. But not to the highest step. Did you noticed that there were no retirements in top 10 today? It will not continue like this tomorrow. Current top two drives too crazy to stay on the road for next 5 stages :-P

My post from yesterday... I have not changed my mind. Delecour told in the morning that there will be no snow (apart from the snow that spectators throw on the stage). I think he was trying to fool us :-P It will be very cold, windy and snowy according to my prediction. But you never know on the mountains ,-)

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 17:11
Not long till Turini night starts guys! I guess the top 7 will still be pushing pretty hard, and I am sure Petter will want to win at least one stage before the end. Definitely! That is the only motivation left for him. I believe his image has been almost "ruined" here anyway!

René
21st January 2011, 17:41
What is the weather in the last stages?

Very cold -5 very windy 60 kmh not snow nothing will change during the night...

RS
21st January 2011, 17:46
Definitely! That is the only motivation left for him. I believe his image has been almost "ruined" here anyway!

Only for people who truly believe the top IRC drivers are second class... I thought actually Petter has driven very well. I don't think Mikko would have been quicker than the 2011 version of Juho Hanninen either!

dimviii
21st January 2011, 17:50
eurosport is line now mates.

jonas_mcrae
21st January 2011, 17:53
splits?

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:03
splits?
splits only from eurosport live at screen

6789
21st January 2011, 18:08
Trye combinations according to iRally

Peugeots (Gardy, Bouffier, Delecour, Petter, Wilks) - Medium all round

Sarrazin - Sodts all round

All Skodas ( Juho, Kopecky, Loix, Vouilloz) medium fronts, soft rears

jonas_mcrae
21st January 2011, 18:16
splits only from eurosport live at screen

thanks, shame I cant watch eurosport player in mexico

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:26
at first split Petter 1 sec slower than Jan

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:32
Loix quickest at 1st split

ZequeArgentina
21st January 2011, 18:40
Keep on posting what is happening wih intermediatestimes, and if wheather starts to change.
I am not able to watch live streaming here now!

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 18:40
Solberg will not win a single SS I predict...

Halvis
21st January 2011, 18:41
Keep on posting what is happening wih intermediatestimes, and if wheather starts to change.
I am not able to watch live streaming here now!

Have you tried this:

http://videos.eurosport.com/irc/rally-monte-carlo/2011/rallye-monte-carlo-day-3_vid163042/irc-player.shtml

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 18:42
Loix is on a charge....going like this will lead him to win the rally.

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 18:42
Vouilloz still in the lead despite he said in the finish that his driving was not very good :-o But Loix is going to beat him...

ZequeArgentina
21st January 2011, 18:43
yes, I am out of home and no wi-fi, just at a place with bad connection!

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 18:44
Bouffier very cautious...

EavesFan09
21st January 2011, 18:45
Solberg will not win a single SS I predict...

Do you no think he has threatened at times to win a stage?

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 18:47
Loix 2nd fastest but his time is enough to get 2nd place from Delecour.

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:48
Skoda seems that had the right choice

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 18:48
Loix takes 2nd place...

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:48
Delecour +24

dimviii
21st January 2011, 18:50
Bouffier + 4,5

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 18:52
Loix 48 seconds from buffier overall...

N.O.T
21st January 2011, 18:52
next stage is on in 6 minutes

piquet20
21st January 2011, 18:54
great time from basso!

SkodaSRT
21st January 2011, 19:00
Lightproblem by Kopecky?

RS
21st January 2011, 19:02
great time from basso!

wow, indeed!

FabiaFan
21st January 2011, 19:02
Delecour +24
...so much about Delecour :-/

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:04
Lightproblem by Kopecky?

why his lights are ok.

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:05
Kopecky +2 from Vouilloz

Bruce D
21st January 2011, 19:06
Just looking at the times for SS10 right now, crazy! 1.6sec covering the top 4 on that stage.

BTW, what about Alex Caffi in 12th place, not bad if you ask me considering the conditions.

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:07
+3 solberg from Vouilloz

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:08
Just looking at the times for SS10 right now, crazy! 1.6sec covering the top 4 on that stage.

BTW, what about Alex Caffi in 12th place, not bad if you ask me considering the conditions.


he also spinned at Turini

SkodaSRT
21st January 2011, 19:11
why his lights are ok.

Yes indeed, In the beginning of the stage it's seems so that's the lights are flashing
My fault

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:11
2nd split(8,5 km)
Vouilloz
Kopecky+4
Solberg +8

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:16
Sarrazin fastest at 2nd split

SkodaSRT
21st January 2011, 19:16
Vouilloz is flying again!!

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:17
Delecour +9 at first split!!

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:21
Delecour+20 at 2nd split!!!!!!!!!!

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:23
Sarrazin +25 problems with gearbox while fastest at 2nd split....bad luck another time again this guy..

RS
21st January 2011, 19:33
Great driving by all! I think Petter is looking at the times with a little bit of disbelief now..

Luis Pacheco
21st January 2011, 19:36
Super boring watching live without snow and ice in the stages. :dozey:

RS
21st January 2011, 19:36
Basso fastest :D

JRodrigues
21st January 2011, 19:36
Basso only drives at night??? Fastest on this stage!!

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:36
Great driving by all! I think Petter is looking at the times with a little bit of disbelief now..

LOL He lost his words when looked Vouilloz time

KKS
21st January 2011, 19:38
Have you tried this:

http://videos.eurosport.com/irc/rally-monte-carlo/2011/rallye-monte-carlo-day-3_vid163042/irc-player.shtml

Tnx for link.... will be same for 2nd loop?

rp
21st January 2011, 19:39
Basso showing finally some speed! Sadly Garmeister´s speed has totally disappeared, but it is no sense to test only one day and compete with these drivers. Had been better to be @ home...

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:39
Basso fastest :D

This guy is missing from IRC...

dimviii
21st January 2011, 19:40
Tnx for link.... will be same for 2nd loop?


YES