Adrian Newey hospitalised after Ginetta crash

[Ranger]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2010/08/08/adrian-newey-hospitalised-after-crash/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28F1+Fanatic+-+The+Formula+1+Blog%29&utm_content=Google+International

Hope he's ok! :s hock:

[ioan]

Hopefully he is OK.

[I am evil Homer]

Yep he's fine just a little bruised. Impact was passenger side and not that hard given the speed of the Snetterton circuit.

[CNR]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85900

redbull would go down hill fast with out him

[Saint Devote]

Other than Webber and Vettel he is the most vital ingredient in the RBR racing brew - Dietrich Mateschitz should kick his arse.

I have no sympathy for Newey - he knows that he is an accident prone driver - but I am really pleased he is fine.

For crying out loud Newey Baby - STOP!!!

If he MUST then why doesnt he rather race Karts! They are far better than most racing cars anyway - definitely Ginettas - up to FF!

[MrJan]

it was only a few years ago he nearly lost his life at Le Mans when he crashed his Ford GT40.

I was there that weekend. He'd already bunged it in the wall coming out of the Porsche Curves in the first race, done a complete 360 exiting Tertre Rouge in the second race (right in front of me) and then had brake failure IIRC on the Mulsanne to total the car in the final race.

@ StD - shurrup, you poison this forum with the amount of rubbish that you spout. If the bloke wants to race then he should race, this accident wasn't his fault and neither was the one at Le Mans.

[Retro Formula 1]

Glad he's OK and am sure his passion for racing on the track is as intact as ever although I'm sure he seriously considers STD's concerns :laugh:

[I am evil Homer]

Clearly St. D didn't see the incident or he'd know Newey was the innocent bystander in this crash with a guy locking up and hitting the rear of his car, spinning him and then being collected by another car.

[Saint Devote]

Clearly St. D didn't see the incident or he'd know Newey was the innocent bystander in this crash with a guy locking up and hitting the rear of his car, spinning him and then being collected by another car.

I did not, and do not distinguish between who caused it - the issue is that he is a vital part of RBR and participation in a motor race - especially a Club Event which are far more dangerous than professional races - is irresponsible.

He has no business risking the effort of RBR. Dietrich Mateschitz should kick his backside.

[MrJan]

Perhaps you should actually have a look at the G50 series, it's not just some half arse club event. Current championship leader is Carl Breeze who has a fair history of tintop racing.

You're possibly the worst 'motorsport fan' that I've ever encountered, anyone who thinks that people shouldn't race, (especially when they aren't physically needed for a team), really needs to rethink their choice of hobby. I am fully behind anyone who wishes to go racing at any level, I suspect that many other forum members feel the same way. It really is about time you accepted that people really don't like you and went off to troll somewhere else.

[Retro Formula 1]

I agree with you Jan but we are not allowed to say anything demeaning against Trolls. I think it's because they are an endangered species. ;)

Give me a Sinclair C5 and I'll try and race it as would most of us here. It's all about the sport which is why people like Adrian cant resist getting in a Ginetta. He may have designed the best F1 car this year and be a fundamental part of Red Bulls success (or failure) but you can't stop a man wanting to be the Nut behind the Wheel.

Poor old STD will never understand that the camaraderie, adrenaline, excitement, sound, smell and competition (in fact, all the things you cannot convey on a stupid computer) is what Motor sport is all about but he has his views and is more than welcome to them.

For me, and I warrant a few others, that feeling as you walk down the paddock on a clean, crisp morning; the dew on your feet and the slightly sweet, acrid waft of oil, petrol and rubber tickling your nose and finally the stillness and solitude destroyed like a atom bomb but the explosion of a tuned internal combustion engine raping the stillness is what it's all about; whether it's a pristine F1 car or some dodgy old club racer.

[Valve Bounce]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85900

redbull would go down hill fast with out him

Yes! and the cars will be called "Rolls Hardly". Rolls down the hill fast but can Hardly get up the other side.

[Valve Bounce]

I did not, and do not distinguish between who caused it - the issue is that he is a vital part of RBR and participation in a motor race - especially a Club Event which are far more dangerous than professional races - is irresponsible.

He has no business risking the effort of RBR. Dietrich Mateschitz should kick his backside.

He should stick to Sky Diving. Time to offer your time honored Knuckle sandwich. :D

[nik]

especially a Club Event which are far more dangerous than professional races - is irresponsible.



Are you calling a British Touring Car Championship meeting a 'club event'?

[Robinho]

I did not, and do not distinguish between who caused it - the issue is that he is a vital part of RBR and participation in a motor race - especially a Club Event which are far more dangerous than professional races - is irresponsible.

He has no business risking the effort of RBR. Dietrich Mateschitz should kick his backside.

If Newey had a "no doing any racing, or anything at all dangerous, especially no gardening clause" is his contract, which he won't have cos Newey would never sign such a thing, then he should kick his arse.

If Newey, the massive racing fan and all round design genius decides to take his millions and spend it going racing then he should do it as much as he can. I would, and i think 99% of this forum probably would given half the chance.

He has every right to do whatever he bloody likes. And no, the Ginetta series is not "club event" its a well supported professionally run national series with some highly rated professional drivers involved.

I don't now how, or why, but you seem to seek to offend someone with every one of your innane posts, and attempt to back it all up with some justification about "man's games" or some pointless historical facts gazing back at the good 'ole days.

And for God's sake, do not take the British tabloids media view as representative of the nation, like you seem insistent on doing on several thread, just to suit your seemingly increasingly far fetched and controversial views.

Thanks

[Robinho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4RRBTMzOms&feature=player_embedded

[Robinho]

U4RRBTMzOms

[BDunnell]

If Newey had a "no doing any racing, or anything at all dangerous, especially no gardening clause" is his contract, which he won't have cos Newey would never sign such a thing, then he should kick his arse.

If Newey, the massive racing fan and all round design genius decides to take his millions and spend it going racing then he should do it as much as he can. I would, and i think 99% of this forum probably would given half the chance.

He has every right to do whatever he bloody likes. And no, the Ginetta series is not "club event" its a well supported professionally run national series with some highly rated professional drivers involved.

I don't now how, or why, but you seem to seek to offend someone with every one of your innane posts, and attempt to back it all up with some justification about "man's games" or some pointless historical facts gazing back at the good 'ole days.

And for God's sake, do not take the British tabloids media view as representative of the nation, like you seem insistent on doing on several thread, just to suit your seemingly increasingly far fetched and controversial views.

Thanks

Couldn't agree more. And no-one, surely, would miss Saint Devote's pompously moronic posts if suddenly they ceased to grace these web pages.

[Saint Devote]

I merely state what I think Mateschitz ought to do.

If Newey had been seriously injured or killed that would have been really stupid and RBR would be sunk.

Club racing events or amateur racing is far more dangerous than professional racing because the level of ability is so varied and generally low.

If RBR continue to allow it then they, as does Newey, deserve what they get.

[MrJan]

amateur racing

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Bless, you really don't know anything about motorsport do you?

[Valve Bounce]

I merely state what I think Mateschitz ought to do.

If Newey had been seriously injured or killed that would have been really stupid and RBR would be sunk.

Club racing events or amateur racing is far more dangerous than professional racing because the level of ability is so varied and generally low.

If RBR continue to allow it then they, as does Newey, deserve what they get.

Here comes the knuckle sandwich. :D

[AndyL]

He has no business risking the effort of RBR. Dietrich Mateschitz should kick his backside.

And then Newey should go and work for a team that lets him indulge his passion for motorsport. A passion that I would have expected everyone on this forum to share. Happily for him, he already does work for such a team.

[Saint Devote]

Here comes the knuckle sandwich. :D

:D Oh yeah mate? I give as good as I get!

[Saint Devote]

And then Newey should go and work for a team that lets him indulge his passion for motorsport. A passion that I would have expected everyone on this forum to share. Happily for him, he already does work for such a team.

Perhaps they expect a man such as Newey to be responsible.

[Retro Formula 1]

Club racing events or amateur racing is far more dangerous than professional racing because the level of ability is so varied and generally low.



It has been pointed out to you already that this was a professionally organised event at a British Touring Car meeting.

Many professional teams compete in the Ginetta series including the car that hit him and to my knowledge, there hasn't been a death or serious injury in the Ginetta series.

This is not some grass track event and yet again you display your ignorance of anything to do with Motorsport outside of your own personal opinion.

[Robinho]

Perhaps they expect a man such as Newey to be responsible.

perhaps he was being responsible by indulging his passion in a professionally organised and controlled racing environment, rather than speeding on the motorway, or taking an over-powered road car to a track event or round the Nurburgring.

Perhaps Redbull's head, a company built on sponsoring and supporting extreme adrenaline fuelled events, understands this.

Adrian Newey gets to pick his job roles by virtue of being one of the very best in his field, and would not go somewhere which he didn't feel comfortable or where his employer wouldn't let him continue his hobbies.

He could get taken out whilst sailing, or flying to an F1 race. he has no reason to be more careful with himself than any of us would be. I know that if i was given an opportunity to race pretty much anything, i'd take it.

he is a perfectly responsible person, he might not be the best race driver in the world, but he gets to try at least, if he were truly dangerous he wouldn't have a licence to compete in such events.

[CNR]

http://www.racers-republic.com/f1/news/1921/re-live-when-team-bosses-raced


There is no better example than the 1971 Jack Brabham Trophy Race at Brands Hatch, where F1 team bosses went head-to-head in MK1 Escorts to try and secure bragging rights in the paddock.

The likes of Colin Chapman, Frank Williams, Max Mosley and John Surtees took part in the race alongside Jack Brabham himself, and you can see how they got on in this video, which originally aired as part of the BBC's 100 Greatest Sporting Moments

[Saint Devote]

perhaps he was being responsible by indulging his passion in a professionally organised and controlled racing environment, rather than speeding on the motorway, or taking an over-powered road car to a track event or round the Nurburgring.

Perhaps Redbull's head, a company built on sponsoring and supporting extreme adrenaline fuelled events, understands this.

Adrian Newey gets to pick his job roles by virtue of being one of the very best in his field, and would not go somewhere which he didn't feel comfortable or where his employer wouldn't let him continue his hobbies.

He could get taken out whilst sailing, or flying to an F1 race. he has no reason to be more careful with himself than any of us would be. I know that if i was given an opportunity to race pretty much anything, i'd take it.

he is a perfectly responsible person, he might not be the best race driver in the world, but he gets to try at least, if he were truly dangerous he wouldn't have a licence to compete in such events.

Just as all aspects of racing have moved on from 40 or 50 years ago, this includes the situation of key personnel.

Newey is a an investment that has cost Mateschitz and his partners many, MANY millions of Euros. There are hundreds of people that depend upon this brillaint designer.

Perhaps if RBR was fighting for fifth or sixth place in the championship - but they are not.

The team is in a very difficult battle for the titles and we are reaching an inflection point that by the middle of September could well indicate who the WDC will be.

What if Newey had been seriously injured? It would have been a fundamental structural blow to the teams prospects as well as the height of stupidity.

Vital assets are viewed this way in business today. Just as all key personnel are protected through health programs and incentive packages to ensure the strenghth and competitiveness of a company.

That is the way things are and some romantic notion of a carefree spirited racer is just plain ridiculous - especially in the highly incompetent and far more dangerous world of club racing.

[Mark]

There is a point here. If any person is critical to an organisation they should not put themselves in harms way!

[ShiftingGears]

Maybe RBR will pay him more not to go amateur racing during F1 seasons.

[MrJan]

There is a point here. If any person is critical to an organisation they should not put themselves in harms way!

If I was critical to my company and they told me that I couldn't race then they'd receive only one thing, a letter of resignation :D

A company may request that someone doesn't race but I think that it's wrong for them to dictate what a man can and can't do. Where do you stop? Is Newey allowed to smoke or drink?

STD, yes racing has moved on from 40-50 years ago, it's a lot lot lot lot lot lot lot LOT safer.

[ArrowsFA1]

What if Newey had been seriously injured?
He, or anyone, could be seriously injured crossing the road. Should we stop people walking, crossing roads, or ban cars to prevent them from hitting people? :crazy:

Accidents can happen. People do what they can to prevent them, and do what they can to make them less damaging if they do happen, but they happen.

RBR can't lock Newey up in a cotton-wool filled drawing office!!

[Saint Devote]

He, or anyone, could be seriously injured crossing the road. Should we stop people walking, crossing roads, or ban cars to prevent them from hitting people? :crazy:

Accidents can happen. People do what they can to prevent them, and do what they can to make them less damaging if they do happen, but they happen.

RBR can't lock Newey up in a cotton-wool filled drawing office!!

You don't get it do you ......

[Mintexmemory]

Newey is a an investment that has cost Mateschitz and his partners many, MANY millions of Euros. There are hundreds of people that depend upon this brillaint designer.

Perhaps if RBR was fighting for fifth or sixth place in the championship - but they are not.

The team is in a very difficult battle for the titles and we are reaching an inflection point that by the middle of September could well indicate who the WDC will be.

What if Newey had been seriously injured? It would have been a fundamental structural blow to the teams prospects as well as the height of stupidity.

Vital assets are viewed this way in business today. Just as all key personnel are protected through health programs and incentive packages to ensure the strenghth and competitiveness of a company.



AN is not 'an investment' he is an employee. The cliche about 'People are our most valuable asset' never survives longer than the share price dip which forces redundancies. If RBR had offered him a contract that had the rider 'in return for the gazillion bucks we want to shower on you you must forgo motor sport competing, alligator wrestling and wildlife safaris, white water rafting, swimming with dolphins and iron-man level tiddlywinks', I suspect that a competitor would currently be benefitting from flexible front wings.
BTW what about Jenson's triathlons?

[Robinho]

Just as all aspects of racing have moved on from 40 or 50 years ago, this includes the situation of key personnel.

Newey is a an investment that has cost Mateschitz and his partners many, MANY millions of Euros. There are hundreds of people that depend upon this brillaint designer.

Perhaps if RBR was fighting for fifth or sixth place in the championship - but they are not.

The team is in a very difficult battle for the titles and we are reaching an inflection point that by the middle of September could well indicate who the WDC will be.

What if Newey had been seriously injured? It would have been a fundamental structural blow to the teams prospects as well as the height of stupidity.

Vital assets are viewed this way in business today. Just as all key personnel are protected through health programs and incentive packages to ensure the strenghth and competitiveness of a company.

That is the way things are and some romantic notion of a carefree spirited racer is just plain ridiculous - especially in the highly incompetent and far more dangerous world of club racing.

I don't buy it. If Red Bull were that bothered and wanted to protect their "investment" they could easily insert a clause into Neweys contract stipulating no racing, sailing, rock climbing or whatever the hell else he might like to do which someone else views as an undue risk. They may as well stop him leaving the factory, why risk all those long haul flights and taxi journeys in foreign countries?

but, i put it to you that Newey wouldn't sign that contract. He is sought after and any of the other teams would employ him on his terms if RB didn't want him. He knows this and is free to spend his free time in whatever legal endeavours he likes.

If Newey had been seriously injured, yes, it would have been unfortunate to both him and RB, but as pointed out, people get injured every day, nothing new here. You should not seek to legislate against your employees engaging in legal activities in their own time, especially not if you have not excluded such pursuits in their contract!

What about Rubens at his Karting event last week, or the one that Massa has each year all the drivers attend. What about Jenson competing in the Triathlon, having been diagnosed with tonsilitus only days before?

all risky things, but if the contracts don't exclude it then why should people not induldge themselves in their pleasures, legally of course, just because someone considers them critical. They get paid the big money for being critical, but employees are replaceable, and the coportae organisations will think nothing of getting rid when things aren't going so well, whether they are deemed "critical" or not.

If my company decided to tell me what i couldn't do at the weekends then I would leave and find one that didn't, however "critical" i may be to the business

[Mintexmemory]

I don't buy it. If Red Bull were that bothered and wanted to protect their "investment" they could easily insert a clause into Neweys contract stipulating no racing, sailing, rock climbing or whatever the hell else he might like to do which someone else views as an undue risk. They may as well stop him leaving the factory, why risk all those long haul flights and taxi journeys in foreign countries?

but, i put it to you that Newey wouldn't sign that contract. He is sought after and any of the other teams would employ him on his terms if RB didn't want him. He knows this and is free to spend his free time in whatever legal endeavours he likes.

If Newey had been seriously injured, yes, it would have been unfortunate to both him and RB, but as pointed out, people get injured every day, nothing new here. You should not seek to legislate against your employees engaging in legal activities in their own time, especially not if you have not excluded such pursuits in their contract!

What about Rubens at his Karting event last week, or the one that Massa has each year all the drivers attend. What about Jenson competing in the Triathlon, having been diagnosed with tonsilitus only days before?

all risky things, but if the contracts don't exclude it then why should people not induldge themselves in their pleasures, legally of course, just because someone considers them critical. They get paid the big money for being critical, but employees are replaceable, and the coportae organisations will think nothing of getting rid when things aren't going so well, whether they are deemed "critical" or not.

If my company decided to tell me what i couldn't do at the weekends then I would leave and find one that didn't, however "critical" i may be to the business
+ 1 :s mokin:
Did you read my post above yours?, cos you are so much on my wavelength I would be worried if I were you. Still adequate amounts of valium does the trick. :)

[Sleeper]

If my bosses tried to tell me what to do with my free time I'd tell them where they could shove their contract and it wouldnt matter how many zeros they offered.

As far as I can see Newey isnt an overly prone crasher. Sure he has some accidents but what racer doesnt, and the big ones seem few an far between.

[Mia 01]

Does anyone remember Montoyas tennis accident?

[Saint Devote]

Oh no, you aren't seriously suggesting Jenson could injure himself in a triathlon, and put into jeopardy the investment Mclaren have made in him are you? :p

Seriously though, good point and I'd be interested to see what St.D's view is on this type of risk for a valuable employee. I don't see how it is anymore dangerous than what Newey has taken part in. :)

Lets not become too looney left with this - if y'all dont get my point and want to go all Barrichello bonkers with this then so be it.

[Sleeper]

Lets not become too looney left with this - if y'all dont get my point and want to go all Barrichello bonkers with this then so be it.

We get your point, you're completely wrong but we get your point.

[wedge]

You don't get it do you ......

And neither do you.

The love of motorsport extends past the design office, spanners in the garage, let alone message boards.

Marshalls come from different parts of life who volunteer the weekends and Sundays.

It's a cliche that a number of race mechanics were ex-racers at the lower levels who were just not good enough.

There plenty working in the industry who are amateur racers and track day fanatics when they get the chance.

[Dave B]

What if Newey had been seriously injured? It would have been a fundamental structural blow to the teams prospects as well as the height of stupidity.
There's risk everywhere, it's pointless to even attempt to rule it out. I speak from experience: the BTCC and its support races are professionally organised with the highest safety standards and some of the most experienced marshals and medical staff in the world.

If you want to go racing, there are few better and safer places to do it.

Anyway, being the expert on motorsport history that you are, I'm sure you remember that in 1986 (the "good old days" that you hanker after) a team owner was involved in a car accident, injuring his spine and resulting in him being confined to a wheelchair ever since.

He wasn't on a track day, nor in a "club series"; merely on a public road on his way back from a test. Like it or not, accidents happen. The man in question seems to have done alright for himself, in fact I'm sure I can remember his team winning a few races and championships not so long ago.

Newey will be back behind the wheel of a racing car soon, I'd imagine, and more power to his elbow. If he worked for me, I wouldn't stand between him and his passion.

[Dave B]

BTW what about Jenson's triathlons?
Very good point. Jenson's a professional athlete but could easily have injured himself, just as Mark Webber did in his cycling challenge. It's a chance you've got to take. You can't wrap people up in cotton wool during the off-season or the gaps between races.

[Daniel]

Jenson is mega tho, so that would never happen to him and if something did happen I'm sure his burly protector would spring forth and give every mofo responsible a knuckle sandwich.

[Saint Devote]

Looks like comedy hour has taken over here - surely the philosphical disconnect that is so obvious here in trying to defend the idiocy of Newey cannot be real?

Probably is.

[Robinho]

actually Jeson took a pretty big risk this time out, given that he was diagnosed with Tonsilitus at the beginning of the week of the Triathlon.

Standard Dr's advice with illness is that if you've suffered anything in the couple of weeks before a major event (such as Half marathon, Marathon, Triathlon and the like) is to skip it.

Fair enough Jenson is a super fit sportsman already, but you do tak on quite a lot of risk putting your body through something like a triathlon when you are below par to start with

[Robinho]

Looks like comedy hour has taken over here - surely the philosphical disconnect that is so obvious here in trying to defend the idiocy of Newey cannot be real?

Probably is.

Oh the deepest of Irony is that you cannot see that the idiotic side of the arguement is not the defense of Neweys actions but the criticism

[Dave B]

Looks like comedy hour has taken over here - surely the philosphical disconnect that is so obvious here in trying to defend the idiocy of Newey cannot be real?

Probably is.

Okay then, explain it to us in simple terms. Where's the "idiocy" in someone wanting to participate in a series which is well-governed, professionally marshalled, and run to the highest safety standards?

While you're at it, please explain why there is no risk (or less risk) when an F1 driver goes running, swimming and cycling in a competitive event.

[SGWilko]

Okay then, explain it to us in simple terms. Where's the "idiocy" in someone wanting to participate in a series which is well-governed, professionally marshalled, and run to the highest safety standards?

While you're at it, please explain why there is no risk (or less risk) when an F1 driver goes running, swimming and cycling in a competitive event.

That's it! By jove old bean - right there...

Stop the F1 guys racing RIGHT NOW. Far too dangerous......

[Daniel]

Would it be inappropriate to mention that had Newey got on the podium at Snetterton and some form of fizzy liquid happened to be shaken and sprayed, that is also a risk due to the slippery nature of some platforms. Someone could have be killed for goodness sake. Health and safety knows no bounds in the everyday life of a design genius... :eek: :s mokin:
You call the Daily Mail, I'll tip off the Sun! Let's put an end to this madness!!!!!!! Spirit of the blitz and all!

[Dave B]

Oooh yeah a Facebook group! The ultimate in modern-day protest tools. Who needs to risk being batoned to death by the Met while protesting on the streets when one can achieve the same effect by clicking a button marked "Like"? :p

[Dave B]

Okay then, explain it to us in simple terms. Where's the "idiocy" in someone wanting to participate in a series which is well-governed, professionally marshalled, and run to the highest safety standards?

While you're at it, please explain why there is no risk (or less risk) when an F1 driver goes running, swimming and cycling in a competitive event.
Apologies for quoting myself but two whole days have passed without The Saint explaining to us how Newey taking part in a professionally organised motor race is unforgivable "idiocy", yet it's perfectly acceptable for a driver who is challenging for the championship to risk injury by competing in a triathlon.

I can't wait for this insight.

[Sleeper]

Apologies for quoting myself but two whole days have passed without The Saint explaining to us how Newey taking part in a professionally organised motor race is unforgivable "idiocy", yet it's perfectly acceptable for a driver who is challenging for the championship to risk injury by competing in a triathlon.

I can't wait for this insight.

I wouldnt hold your breath.

[Dave B]

Three days now, and I know The Saint's been online. Perhaps he's searching his F1 history books to discover what Alan Jones or Jim Clark woud have done. Probably given the other Ginetta driver a knuckle sandwich. Or something.

[BDunnell]

Looks like comedy hour has taken over here - surely the philosphical disconnect that is so obvious here in trying to defend the idiocy of Newey cannot be real?

Probably is.

I have just realised it. You learned your English from a textbook dated 1935, but with some important pages missing. This, and this only, explains the way you write.

[Daniel]

I have just realised it. You learned your English from a textbook dated 1935, but with some important pages missing. This, and this only, explains the way you write.
ZING! (Please note I wanted to use a more flowery word but there are no synonyms for zing on thesaurus.com :( )

[Saint Devote]

ZING! (Please note I wanted to use a more flowery word but there are no synonyms for zing on thesaurus.com :( )

Why do you constantly make these sorts of posts?

[Daniel]

Why do you constantly make these sorts of posts?

Who are you to question me? As to why people don't get on with you, it's nothing to do with the flag you fly, it's all down to your attitude. Now quit trying to dominate every thread in the forum......