View Full Version : Vettel, the dirty chopper, AGAIN!
Okay, we saw him do it last race and have now seen him do it in an even greater extreme this race.
Didn't Webber get a stop/go at least years German GP for doing something very similar?
Now Vettel has done this two weeks in a row. It's not good enough, it's dangerous and it's simply unsportsmanlike.
At minimum was worth a reprimand to let him know that puting drivers into the wall is probably, at the least, unacceptable.
Why is it some drivers get away with murder whereas others have to take stop go's?
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Tazio
26th July 2010, 02:11
This was very bad judgement by Vettel. He came out of the blocks too slowly to do a clean chop on Fred (allthough he was quite content to paint the wall with him). And as that pic shows he left the door wide open for Massa to pass as well. That's plain bad judgement on the part of SV. He should have realized that with the slow start the only position he could defend was p3. Instead he makes a dangerous manouver, and still loses two places. He still has a lot to learn. Hopefully before he hurts somebody! :down:
Valve Bounce
26th July 2010, 02:18
It cost him big time, silly move, should merit a reprimand. :down:
Roamy
26th July 2010, 02:20
Vettle is looking to do some "sheet time" Alonso will soon accommodate him.
Chev_350
26th July 2010, 04:16
If only Fred held his line and Kettle could have taken them both out, might make him less inclined to do it in the future.
ShiftingGears
26th July 2010, 06:42
Bad judgement from Vettel there.
Roamy
26th July 2010, 06:47
If only Fred held his line and Kettle could have taken them both out, might make him less inclined to do it in the future.
yea but if fred puts his front wheel just in front vettels rear wheel and applys the brakes then we have a cartwheel or as one might say a "Vettle Wheel"
Beiber blew his home race trying to slam Alonso into the wall..
I find it quite amusing now that Red Bull haven't publicly slammed him for ruining another race...who?? what??
With Webber's engine issues as well, Red Bull are not looking good for either title anymore...
F1boat
26th July 2010, 07:01
Beiber blew his home race trying to slam Alonso into the wall..
Bieber, hahaha!
But you guys are right, of course. The boy is getting dangerous. But because he is a wunderkind and not a Ferrari driver, he is never investigated.
SGWilko
26th July 2010, 09:46
Didn't Webber get a stop/go at least years German GP for doing something very similar?
Now Vettel has done this two weeks in a row. It's not good enough, it's dangerous and it's simply unsportsmanlike.
At minimum was worth a reprimand to let him know that puting drivers into the wall is probably, at the least, unacceptable.
True, but I think a penalty would have been given if he kept the position by scaring the B'Jesus out of Onslo by introducing him to the pit wall. As Vettel fubared that up too, they probably felt sorry for him...... ;)
ArrowsFA1
26th July 2010, 09:47
Vettel does seem to have this habit of turning right into people.
Sonic
26th July 2010, 09:58
The move in this instance was hard but fair - there was a Ferrari sized gap left which Alonso filled, so there is no case to answer to.
However Vettel does need to tweak his race craft, just because he "can" shove Alonso over to the wall doesn't mean he "needs" to. It cost Vettel the race.
UltimateDanGTR
26th July 2010, 10:11
The move in this instance was hard but fair - there was a Ferrari sized gap left which Alonso filled, so there is no case to answer to.
However Vettel does need to tweak his race craft, just because he "can" shove Alonso over to the wall doesn't mean he "needs" to. It cost Vettel the race.
completely agree, it was a hard but fair move, but once again it didn't pay off. that's why sometimes you have to question Vettel's race craft. He's not the complete driver yet, but like Hamilton he will likely mature over time.
Gibbsy
26th July 2010, 13:02
Wheres Markabilly? PSfan etc. Or is chopping only bad when Webber does it?
Vettel with his constant desire to smear people against the wall is the most dangerous driver in international motorsport.
jas123f1
26th July 2010, 13:28
Wheres Markabilly? PSfan etc. Or is chopping only bad when Webber does it?
Vettel with his constant desire to smear people against the wall is the most dangerous driver in international motorsport.
Who was "smeared" against the wall? There was at least one meter free space left, so the move looks more dangerous than it was... Hopefully Vettel make a beter start next race.. ;)
SGWilko
26th July 2010, 13:39
Hopefully Vettel make a beter start next race.. ;)
Hopefully I'll win the Euromillions next week.....
Valve Bounce
26th July 2010, 14:17
Hopefully I'll win the Euromillions next week.....
I'll settle for the 15 million Tatslotto tomorrow night. :)
markabilly
26th July 2010, 14:18
I've counted 4 times that Vettel has tried this tactic now.
1. Turkey - Swerved towards Hamilton who didn't budge and Vettel messed up the corner allowing Hamilton through. FAIL.
2. Turkey - Swerved at Webber on the back straight. Webber didn't budge, Vettel crashed into the side of Mark and ended his own race. FAIL.
3. Silverstone - Off the start line he swerved towards Webber to intimidate him into conceding the corner. Webber once again did not budge and Vettel with his eye off the ball drove across Hamilton's end plate giving himself an unnecessary puncture and ruining his own race. FAIL.
4. Hockenheim - Off the start line he swerved across towards Alonso to intimidate him into conceding the first corner. Alonso didn't budge and Vettel missed Massa coming up the outside to take the lead from third, breaked late and went wide losing three places. FAIL.
You'd think with this many failed attempts he will think twice before too long. Plus the fact he is now being considered a danger and may be lining himself up for a sanction. It doesn't work Seb and is only throwing points away. :)
chops???those whimpy moves are not chops!!! :rolleyes:
It is all Webber's fault.
Webber is such an embarrassment to the team.
Webber is not even a good lap dog --always barking when he should be whimpering,
and he is even a worse teacher
You would think that having Webber as a team mate, Webber would have taught little grasshopper the true ways of the proper Chopper.
but no, those are such whimpy little attempts at chops, complete failures as to be unworthy of being called chops and worse, raises serious questions as to gonads or lack thereof...
Sad, but true, no doubt the result of him drinking too much red cow piss as it is well known that it shrinks those little things even further
He needs to man up on some real Koolaid, and turn to the national hero, a wise man more skilled in the arts of being a proper chopper then chopper webber and humbly seek the advice of elder shuiechopper and learn to make chopschuie like the master
:vader:
Then, maybe, someday, maybe kliene grasshopper grow to grosse proper chopper.....and chop happily ever after
:D
markabilly
26th July 2010, 14:33
On second thoughts was Vettel pushing Alonso into the wall, or was Fernando just trying to stick as close to Santander as possible? :s mokin:
no he was just trying to get between kettel and freddie fav sponsor--- such jealousy, worried that sweet kettel might get some santa-dough in his kettel
Indeed, massa as you can see, is required by team orders to keep his distance
Wasted Talent
26th July 2010, 14:51
The move in this instance was hard but fair - there was a Ferrari sized gap left which Alonso filled, so there is no case to answer to.
Agree - not a dangerous move at all - compare it with Schumacher on Massa in Canada and Kobyashi on Nakajima in Brazil last year.
He squeezed Alonso, but not rapidly, and left plenty of room for the cry-baby's Ferrari....
If it had been a bad move don't you think Alonso would have been whining about it?
WT
SGWilko
26th July 2010, 14:53
don't you think Alonso would have been whining about it?
He does, every time he opens his pie hole these days.
Wasted Talent
26th July 2010, 21:12
He does, every time he opens his pie hole these days.
I know he does but he didn't mention this so it must have been okay!
WT
Garry Walker
26th July 2010, 22:01
Yeah, Vettel is a moron. Lets hope he keeps doing this and embarrassing himself.
this could be because of all the races they run on the simulator
from what i have seen of the redbull one it dose not have other cars on it
Daniel
26th July 2010, 23:46
The only mistake Vettel made was to not squash the whiney bitch into the wall.
ioan
26th July 2010, 23:54
The only mistake Vettel made was to not squash the whiney bitch into the wall.
Yep, he would have spared us the crappy team orders from Ferrari.
Retro Formula 1
27th July 2010, 00:34
Do we really need these sort of insults against drivers? This is Motorsport and not a football terrace :(
Debate Sebs dubious driving style and his Chopping by all means and discuss Alonso's perceived manipulation within Ferrari to your hearts content but can we do it with respect for the drivers that provide our sport?
Daniel
27th July 2010, 01:00
Alonso has no respect for F1. Why should the whiney little (admittedly skilled) bitch get any respect?
pino
27th July 2010, 06:02
Yeah, Vettel is a moron. Lets hope he keeps doing this and embarrassing himself.
The only mistake Vettel made was to not squash the whiney bitch into the wall.
Guys I am going to ask this only once...do watch your language !
Yeah, Vettel is a moron. Lets hope he keeps doing this and embarrassing himself.
next time use
Vettel Few kangaroos short in the top paddock
Garry Walker
27th July 2010, 19:35
next time use
Vettel Few kangaroos short in the top paddock
Yeah, must remember that.
christophulus
27th July 2010, 22:04
Don't see much wrong with Vettel's squeeze, it backfired on him anyway. He left Alonso enough room so no foul.
speeddurango
27th July 2010, 23:53
Nothing wrong with that block. Webber was penalized because he made contact with RB and it was no longer a bloking move anymore.
PSfan
28th July 2010, 04:03
Wheres Markabilly? PSfan etc. Or is chopping only bad when Webber does it?
Really sticking your foot in it.... I expressed about the subject in the Donkey thread... page one... Guess you are a little late to the party...
But on another note... Webber really should look at the start of both Silverstone and this last race (And no not because he was almost as naughty as Vettel at Silverstone... watch the replays!!!) But see how quick Vettel concedes and gets out of Webber his teammates way in Silverstone, and how he far he pushes Alonso a rival team driver at the start of the next race... Anybody see what I'm getting at?
Roamy
28th July 2010, 05:44
Senna was a whiner too. And Prost seems to go with the skill.
F1boat
28th July 2010, 07:30
Yep, he would have spared us the crappy team orders from Ferrari.
It is refreshing to see how the people who demand ban for Ferrari because their ordered their employers what to do are advocating a deliberate crash by their favored wunderkind.
Despicable.
52Paddy
28th July 2010, 08:13
It just goes to show that Vettel is not the complete package yet and needs some time to mature. He won't be world champion until he cools off a little. Maybe similar to Jody Schekter.
Anybody see what I'm getting at?
Not in the slightest. Are you saying that trying an impossible move around the outside of a faster car and having to give up means that Vettel's a better driver? Or that squeezing cars from other teams as badly as you squeeze your own teammate makes him a fairer driver? Sounds a bit odd to me.
pino
28th July 2010, 11:11
It is refreshing to see how the people who demand ban for Ferrari because their ordered their employers what to do are advocating a deliberate crash by their favored wunderkind.
Despicable.
Especially when such comments are posted by Senior Members who have been here for years and years and should give a good example to others...
Dave B
28th July 2010, 11:34
I actually think Vettel's move was ok, in so far as he did give Alonso just enough room. However he totally took his eye off the bigger picture and let Massa through (which under any normal circumstances would have been enough to give the Brazillian the win!).
Sometimes you have to pick and choose your battles, and that's where Vettel is perhaps not quite the finished article.
Retro Formula 1
28th July 2010, 13:24
Agreed Dave. Vettel has a reputation of being a bit of a chopper but at least Alonso saw him going and he left him room. I think young Seb is learning that people aren't going to let him intimidate them though so he better leave a bit of room or retire with a broken car ;)
Nothing wrong with what he did on Sunday apart from not noticing Massa :laugh:
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