Anti British Obama..........

[MJW]

Have a look here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287828/Revealed-Why-President-Obama-loathes-British.html

What's the feeling on Obama in the USA and how the President is treating an old friend and staunch ally? - Is this something temporary or another step towards USA losing a friend?
Obama conveniently forgets the fact that British soldiers are dying at four times the rate of US soldier deaths in Afghanistan.
Interesting fact is that whilst Obama whips up anti Brit feeling that Sarah Palin is over here "talking nice" and wanting to meet Conservative leaders, including Margaret Thatcher.

[Roamy]

you don't get it do you Obama is a muslim and only cares about his own agendas and re-election. But don't worry he won't get re-elected so this is just a temporary deal. Obama is letting all the terrorists stream across the border while he is in office. Obama will go down in history as the worst president in our history easily surpassing the "Grand Idiot Carter"

[Sleeper]

and only cares about his own agendas and re-election.
Sounds like every elected official in history.

The link in the OP is to the Daily Mail's website, so I automatically dont trust it.

[BDunnell]

The newspaper in which this dreadful article appears is a racist newspaper with a large number of casually racist readers. The piece, therefore, plays up to this viewpoint. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that Obama 'loathes' Britain at all, and furthermore the Conservatives here are now clever enough to realise that they would be best off having nothing whatsoever to do with a laughably moronic figure such as Palin. So, this story is a complete non-event, other than as another example of execrable journalism by the Mail.

[Tazio]

The newspaper in which this dreadful article appears is a racist newspaper with a large number of casually racist readers. The piece, therefore, plays up to this viewpoint. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that Obama 'loathes' Britain at all, and furthermore the Conservatives here are now clever enough to realise that they would be best off having nothing whatsoever to do with a laughably moronic figure such as Palin. So, this story is a complete non-event, other than as another example of execrable journalism by the Mail. ....parrot mentality American Auto Enthusiasts that will quote a U.N. proclamation after Great Britain did their level best to manage the mess they were largely responsible for in the Middle East. Yet bad mouth the hell out of the UN when the members inexplicably do not fall directly in line behind us. It's like myopia, mixed with a dash of ignorant arrogance, sprinkled with translucent propaganda, served over elbow macaroni, processed american cheese, and a side of freedom fries.
But hey as long as we keep whippin' @$$ , we are, always have been, and always will be the greatest country in the known Universe
And even more importantly England will always be our poodle because every brit is a proper WASP, and the rest of the world has bad hygeine, owes us, or is evil, and most likely both! :confused: :s mokin:

[dunes]

Have a look here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1287828/Revealed-Why-President-Obama-loathes-British.html

What's the feeling on Obama in the USA and how the President is treating an old friend and staunch ally? - Is this something temporary or another step towards USA losing a friend?
Obama conveniently forgets the fact that British soldiers are dying at four times the rate of US soldier deaths in Afghanistan.
Interesting fact is that whilst Obama whips up anti Brit feeling that Sarah Palin is over here "talking nice" and wanting to meet Conservative leaders, including Margaret Thatcher.
You're falling into propaganda and misinformation. He never blasted england or your soldiers,He merely pointed out our down side to the war and omitted any body elses envolvement. I don't think he'll get reelected but like Carter he will be called upon again and again.Like it or not.
We like you are still digging out of a republican lead recession. He is only triing to stall a front to preoccupy us with things other than current events which here are pretty glum. BP oil,southeat devestation,Banking woes and unhappy voters still losing thier livlyhoods. Right now England and anyone else's problums are not his concern. Not to say you don't have your own troubles and deserve credit for your envolvement.

We The People of these Uninted States know the truth and accept and appreciate all you've done and are doing.Don't think for a minute we are blinded little sheep being lead to slaughter.

[BDunnell]

We The People of these Uninted States know the truth and accept and appreciate all you've done and are doing.Don't think for a minute we are blinded little sheep being lead to slaughter.

Believe me, no-one sensible in the UK does think that for a moment. In fact, many would be glad to see the US-UK relationship taking on a more sensible form than it did under Bush and Blair. For our part, this would have been the case no matter which party had been elected in the UK general election in May.

[dunes]

In a whole the citizens of these Uninted States don't agree with our goverments policies let alone the way they come to pass. Ourconcern is to make a better world for everyone and someday this may just happen or we might have another civil war or something. I'm not promoting any such thing only saying-----Just how many times can you kick a sleeping dog before it bites back.
Were not sleeping just watching and I'll tell everyone not of the US that were just about fed up.

[Jag_Warrior]

Sarah Palin is over here "talking nice" and wanting to meet Conservative leaders, including Margaret Thatcher.

The poor lil thing probably thinks Margaret Thatcher is the Queen. If someone introduces her to a man named Ben who is over 6'4", she'll come back here and tell everybody that she met "Big Ben" too. :rolleyes:

[Captain VXR]

you don't get it do you Obama is a muslim and only cares about his own agendas and re-election. But don't worry he won't get re-elected so this is just a temporary deal. Obama is letting all the terrorists stream across the border while he is in office. Obama will go down in history as the worst president in our history easily surpassing the "Grand Idiot Carter"

1) Exactly what is wrong with Muslims?
2) How do you know he is one?
3) How many Mexican terrorists are there? How would you know?
4) Worst President? Worse then the ones who knowingly tried to exterminate the Native Americans? Would McCain have been any better?

[Eki]

The poor lil thing probably thinks Margaret Thatcher is the Queen. If someone introduces her to a man named Ben who is over 6'4", she'll come back here and tell everybody that she met "Big Ben" too. :rolleyes:
Ben Dover, the man who is responsible for the US relations?

[Mark in Oshawa]

Ben Dover, the man who is responsible for the US relations?


Isn't he a "czar" for British relations for Obama?

Obama isn't as friendly to the UK at all. Didn't he return the bust of Churchill from the oval office to the UK? What an insult THAT is.....it really wasn't Barack's to send back, that was a gift given to the US by the UK as a symbol of the friendship between the two nations. Now in light of that, and Obama threatening to rip BP apart and telling them not to pay dividends to the stockholders (12% of whom are British pensioners); I can see why some legs might be on a story in the Mail...

[Eki]

Isn't he a "czar" for British relations for Obama?

Obama isn't as friendly to the UK at all. Didn't he return the bust of Churchill from the oval office to the UK? What an insult THAT is.....it really wasn't Barack's to send back, that was a gift given to the US by the UK as a symbol of the friendship between the two nations.
Actually the bust was just loaned to Bush and Obama didn't want to extend the loan:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html


A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.
The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

Gordon Brown to ask Barack Obama to renew the 'special relationship'
Has Britain's US ambassador fixed it for Barack Obama to meet The Queen?
But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."

It would be funny if a library was insulted every time you return a book too.

Obviously Obama just didn't have the same taste on decoration as Bush.

[MrJan]

That's a classic Mail story. Top work :up:

[markabilly]

Obviously Obama just didn't have the same taste on decoration as Bush.
True, Obama would be much happier to have a bust of the great pedo prophet


http://carnalreason.org/images/feb08/jp.jpg

[markabilly]

In Rolling Stone, McChrystal is described by an aide as "disappointed" in his first Oval Office meeting with an unprepared President Barack Obama. The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama, the two failed to connect from the start. Obama called McChrystal on the carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more troops.
"I found that time painful," McChrystal said in the article, on newsstands Friday. "I was selling an unsellable position."
Obama agreed to dispatch an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan only after months of study that many in the military found frustrating. And the White House's troop commitment was coupled with a pledge to begin bringing them home in July 2011, in what counterinsurgency strategists advising McChrystal regarded as an arbitrary deadline

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37839756/ns/politics-white_house



The article also claims McChrystal has seized control of the war "by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House."



meanwhile, British death toll in Afghanistan reaches 300
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37819705/ns/world_news-south_and_central_asia/

[Roamy]

1) Exactly what is wrong with Muslims?
2) How do you know he is one?
3) How many Mexican terrorists are there? How would you know?
4) Worst President? Worse then the ones who knowingly tried to exterminate the Native Americans? Would McCain have been any better?

well lets start at No 1.




Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as wel l.

Here's how it works:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to co mply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate g oal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon< SPAN class=ecxecxecxapple-style-span> -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadicethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77..5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic Hou se of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

"Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel." -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children atten d madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat.


Well, boys and girls, today we are letting the fox guard the henhouse. The wolves will be herding the sheep!


Obama appoints two devout Muslims to Homeland Security posts. Doesn't this make you feel safer already?

Obama and Janet Napolitano appoint Arif Alikhan, a devout Muslim, as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development.

DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano swore in Kareem Shora, a devout Muslim who was born in Damascus, Syria, as ADC National Executive Director as a member of the Homeland Security Advisory Council (HSAC).

NOTE: Has anyone ever heard a new government official being identified as a devout Catholic, a devout Jew or a devout Protestant...? Just wondering.


Devout Muslims being appointed to critical Homeland Security positions? Doesn't this make you feel safer already??

Was it not "Devout Muslim men" who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?

Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

[Garry Walker]

The newspaper in which this dreadful article appears is a racist newspaper with a large number of casually racist readers. The piece, therefore, plays up to this viewpoint. There is absolutely no reason to suggest that Obama 'loathes' Britain at all, and furthermore the Conservatives here are now clever enough to realise that they would be best off having nothing whatsoever to do with a laughably moronic figure such as Palin. So, this story is a complete non-event, other than as another example of execrable journalism by the Mail.

If the Mail wrote that the sun is a star, you would still find faults in that statement

[Daniel]

LOL Muslims in Bosnia causing massacres, they were the ones BEING massacred

[Eki]

LOL Muslims in Bosnia causing massacres, they were the ones BEING massacred
Yes, but if they hadn't been there, they wouldn't have been massacred. They caused it. The same for Jews in the Nazi-Germany.

[Tazio]

Isn't he a "czar" for British relations for Obama?

Obama isn't as friendly to the UK at all. Didn't he return the bust of Churchill from the oval office to the UK? What an insult THAT is.....it really wasn't Barack's to send back, that was a gift given to the US by the UK as a symbol of the friendship between the two nations. Now in light of that, and Obama threatening to rip BP apart and telling them not to pay dividends to the stockholders (12% of whom are British pensioners); I can see why some legs might be on a story in the Mail...I didn't know that.
Let me know when we return the statue of Marie-Joseph-Paul-Yves-Roch-Gilbert Motier Lafayette displayed prominenty in DC.
I will be really pissed off then :mad:

[Lee Roy]

Hey, why doesn't BP just plug the leak?

[Eki]

Hey, why doesn't BP just plug the leak?
They could use the bust of Churchill as a plug.

[Tazio]

@ Leroy, and @ Eki
:laugh: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :s mokin:

Both excellent prospects to be given "Forum Gold" designation!

[Jag_Warrior]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37839756/ns/politics-white_house


In Rolling Stone, McChrystal is described by an aide as "disappointed" in his first Oval Office meeting with an unprepared President Barack Obama. The article says that although McChrystal voted for Obama, the two failed to connect from the start. Obama called McChrystal on the carpet last fall for speaking too bluntly about his desire for more troops.
"I found that time painful," McChrystal said in the article, on newsstands Friday. "I was selling an unsellable position."
Obama agreed to dispatch an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan only after months of study that many in the military found frustrating. And the White House's troop commitment was coupled with a pledge to begin bringing them home in July 2011, in what counterinsurgency strategists advising McChrystal regarded as an arbitrary deadline


Quote:

The article also claims McChrystal has seized control of the war "by never taking his eye off the real enemy: The wimps in the White House."

From what just flashed across Bloomberg, McChrystal has been summoned to the White House and might get fired for insubordination. So much for keeping his eye on "the real enemy". :D

You'd think these military guys would have learned something from MacArthur's experience by now. And McChrystal is no where near the stature of MacArthur: a real deal, genuine war hero. He's not even close to Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf's level. My wild azz guess is that he was tired of this job and wanted to get out of it, so he said just enough to get himself fired. Book deals, speaking tours, instant hero of the wingnut right. It's a good living. Pays a lot more than being a general... or a state governor. :dozey:

[anthonyvop]

Yes, but if they hadn't been there, they wouldn't have been massacred. They caused it. The same for Jews in the Nazi-Germany.

Did you really just say that?

Are you really blaming the Nazi extermination of the Jews on the Jews themselves?

[Tazio]

Quote:


From what just flashed across Bloomberg, McChrystal has been summoned to the White House and might get fired for insubordination. So much for keeping his eye on "the real enemy". :D

You'd think these military guys would have learned something from MacArthur's experience by now. And McChrystal is no where near the stature of MacArthur: a real deal, genuine war hero. He's not even close to Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf's level. My wild azz guess is that he was tired of this job and wanted to get out of it, so he said just enough to get himself fired. Book deals, speaking tours, instant hero of the wingnut right. It's a good living. Pays a lot more than being a general... or a state governor. :dozey:
Better than any other theory I can come up with!
But it's still a developing story!

[Eki]

Did you really just say that?

Are you really blaming the Nazi extermination of the Jews on the Jews themselves?
That's what they call sarcasm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

Are you really blaming the massacre of Bosnian Muslims on Muslims themselves?

[Daniel]

Did you really just say that?

Are you really blaming the Nazi extermination of the Jews on the Jews themselves?
:facepalm:

[Mark in Oshawa]

I didn't know that.
Let me know when we return the statue of Marie-Joseph-Paul-Yves-Roch-Gilbert Motier Lafayette displayed prominenty in DC.
I will be really pissed off then :mad:

Apparently ole Barry walked into the oval office, and didn't want to look at Winston...and off he went.

[Tazio]

Apparently ole Barry walked into the oval office, and didn't want to look at Winston...and off he went.
That is really odd behavior. Why didn't he just put it in storage when he exercises his right to decorate his home the way he prefers it?
I'd like to see a link to that event. That IMO is the behavior of a jerk, and a thief, as that bust should be considered property of the citizens of
The United States of America!

[BDunnell]

Did you really just say that?

Are you really blaming the Nazi extermination of the Jews on the Jews themselves?

Er, how do I put this?

[BDunnell]

That is really odd behavior. Why didn't he just put it in storage when he exercises his right to decorate his home the way he prefers it?
I'd like to see a link to that event. That IMO is the behavior of a jerk, and a thief, as that bust should be considered property of the citizens of
The United States of America!

Why? It was on loan. That makes it the property of the owner, not those to whom the item is loaned.

[Daniel]

That is really odd behavior. Why didn't he just put it in storage when he exercises his right to decorate his home the way he prefers it?
I'd like to see a link to that event. That IMO is the behavior of a jerk, and a thief, as that bust should be considered property of the citizens of
The United States of America!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html

Seems justifiable to me. That would be like Mandela having a bust of PW Botha in his office when he was in office.

[BDunnell]

Quote:


From what just flashed across Bloomberg, McChrystal has been summoned to the White House and might get fired for insubordination. So much for keeping his eye on "the real enemy". :D

You'd think these military guys would have learned something from MacArthur's experience by now. And McChrystal is no where near the stature of MacArthur: a real deal, genuine war hero. He's not even close to Stormin' Norman Schwarzkopf's level. My wild azz guess is that he was tired of this job and wanted to get out of it, so he said just enough to get himself fired. Book deals, speaking tours, instant hero of the wingnut right. It's a good living. Pays a lot more than being a general... or a state governor. :dozey:

No doubt those who offer exaggerated levels of respect to those in uniform merely because of that uniform rather than any particular qualities or examples of judgments will feel that McChrystal is absolutely right. Those who take a more balanced view may consider your opinion to have more than a little accuracy to it. What a strange thing this is for him to have done!

[Tazio]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html

Seems justifiable to me. That would be like Mandela having a bust of PW Botha in his office when he was in office.
I don't have any issue with that. I didn't know it was on loan.
The White House is the” home” of the sitting President of the USA.
Every presidential family puts their personal touch on it.
Winston Churchill was and still is the most influential figure in Anglo/American history in the opinion of most of my sane countrymen!
This is a completely different situation than removing statues like the one I referenced, as it is displayed publically, and was either a gift, but more likely a tribute to a man that was instrumental to the success of what we refer to in this country as the Revolutionary War!

[Roamy]

What a crock of Sh!t - some fag rolling stone reporter gets to hang with a true warrior in combat and then knifes him in the back. So McChrystal is probably better off getting out of this pussy deal. If I were the president I would just go have some cocktails with him and then announce that I don't have time to even piss on the rolling stone. But obama will probably fire him. Send it Napolitano

[anthonyvop]

No doubt those who offer exaggerated levels of respect to those in uniform merely because of that uniform rather than any particular qualities or examples of judgments will feel that McChrystal is absolutely right. Those who take a more balanced view may consider your opinion to have more than a little accuracy to it. What a strange thing this is for him to have done!

McChrystal is universally loved by his troops and many are saying that he did it for his troops.

He basically backed Obama into a corner and by forcing his hand creating a better situation for his troops.

Obama has 3 choices.

1. He fires the General, maintains his plan and prays that his replacement general delivers a major victory in Afghanistan. If things go bad he has made McChrystal into a hero and worse, Obama looks weak and anti-American.

2. He Fires McChrystal but then, after some time has passed, boosts the Military's strength and loosens the rules of engagement and hopes the media doesn't notice(Most likely scenario)

3. He doesn't fire McChrystal and looks like a wuss.


To me the most interesting thing is how nobody is criticizing what McChrystal said....only that he said it.

Personally if I was President I would have fired is ass ASAP but then again I wouldn't have had that problem anyway if I was President.

[Roamy]

I don't think he has a choice now - he will accept his resignation

[markabilly]

it appears that as a result of the volcano, our rolling stones fag reporter was able to spend 10 days, much of it while massive drinking took place among the general and his aides that opened up mouths...99% of what has everyone so up in arms was stuff said by aides, not the general....

and as is too often the case, what was said is probably all too true....

anyaway, Obama is too busy to be much bothered with any generals or wars in the middle east...as he is celebrating gay rights for the month of June, even having a white house party for gays....with dept of labor to announce that gay partners have the same rights under the family leave and insurance act, as do heteros plus tying to do away with the DOMA--defense of marriage act.....

[Roamy]

Can you believe this - some dumb bitch on TV last night said "Oh my God and he even used the "F" word" A decorated special ops guy made General with a incredible track record used the "F" word in a combat zone. Oh lets incarcerate him for 10 yrs.

[Daniel]

OMFG she used god's name in vain! KILL HER!!!!!!

[BDunnell]

Personally if I was President I would have fired is ass ASAP but then again I wouldn't have had that problem anyway if I was President.

Didn't we have you as President from 2000 to 2008?

[Daniel]

:rotflmao:

[Tazio]

Didn't we have you as President from 2000 to 2008?No the USA did!
Although there was some question of whether or not he was born in the USA!

[Hondo]

Considering how aloof he remains to people and events around him and that most of what he says are lies, I don't know how you'd figure out if he likes you or not. I'm pretty sure he likes teleprompters, flying around on Air Force One, and playing golf. Anything else is up for grabs.

[Tazio]

Considering how aloof he remains to people and events around him and that most of what he says are lies, I don't know how you'd figure out if he likes you or not. I'm pretty sure he likes teleprompters, flying around on Air Force One, and playing golf. Anything else is up for grabs.You forgot that he has "major game" in Basketball

_-3ROv_MsNs&feature=related

[BDunnell]

Considering how aloof he remains to people and events around him and that most of what he says are lies, I don't know how you'd figure out if he likes you or not.

Yawn.

[Eki]

McChrystal is universally loved by his troops and many are saying that he did it for his troops.

He basically backed Obama into a corner and by forcing his hand creating a better situation for his troops.

Obama has 3 choices.

1. He fires the General, maintains his plan and prays that his replacement general delivers a major victory in Afghanistan. If things go bad he has made McChrystal into a hero and worse, Obama looks weak and anti-American.

2. He Fires McChrystal but then, after some time has passed, boosts the Military's strength and loosens the rules of engagement and hopes the media doesn't notice(Most likely scenario)

3. He doesn't fire McChrystal and looks like a wuss.


To me the most interesting thing is how nobody is criticizing what McChrystal said....only that he said it.

Personally if I was President I would have fired is ass ASAP but then again I wouldn't have had that problem anyway if I was President.
Four choices:

4. He could let him commit suicide and save his face like Hitler did to Rommel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel


Late in the war, Rommel was convicted of joining the conspiracy against Adolf Hitler. Because of his great prestige, Hitler allowed him to commit suicide rather than be tried and executed. He was buried with full military honors; the reason for Rommel's death only emerged at the Nuremberg Trials.

[Roamy]

ooooohh Stanley will make a ton of money now!! I was really surprised he got patraeus back.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Why? It was on loan. That makes it the property of the owner, not those to whom the item is loaned.

It wasn't on loan, it was a gift from the UK I believe. I am sure the PM of Britain wasn't lying awake wondering if he was going to get that bust of Winston back. I am sure the realm would continue without it...lol

[Mark in Oshawa]

Didn't we have you as President from 2000 to 2008?

No....Tony would make Dubya look like a wimp...lol

[BDunnell]

It wasn't on loan, it was a gift from the UK I believe. I am sure the PM of Britain wasn't lying awake wondering if he was going to get that bust of Winston back. I am sure the realm would continue without it...lol

If I was in a senior political position, I wouldn't want a bust of Churchill in my office.

[Eki]

It wasn't on loan, it was a gift from the UK I believe.
Doesn't anybody read the links I post here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html


A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

[markabilly]

Doesn't anybody read the links I post here?



No

[Mark in Oshawa]

Doesn't anybody read the links I post here?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4623148/Barack-Obama-sends-bust-of-Winston-Churchill-on-its-way-back-to-Britain.html

If that is the case, I stand corrected...

[Captain VXR]

Was it not "Devout Muslim men" who flew planes into U.S. buildings 8 years ago?

Was it not a Devout Muslim who killed 13 at Fort Hood?

Many of the Muslim countries you posted are quite peaceful, such as Egypt and Turkey. Despite the occupation, most Muslim Palestinians in the West Bank are also peaceful. Other places such as Oman and Tunisia are very peaceful. Conversely, many places that are 95+% Christian, such as Columbia, are some of the most dangerous places in the world. There is very little Muslim related problems in the UK, most are peaceful moderates. Fort Hood and 9/11 were only done by a handful of people, compared to the estimated 2.5-7 million Muslims in America. If they wanted, they could blow your country to bits. But they haven't. Many genocides and killings, ancient and recent, have been perpetrated in the name of Christianity, so don't give me the bs that Muslims are any worse.

Where's the evidence of sharia law in any of the European countries that you claim it is widespread in?

Some Muslims are good. Others are bad.
Some Christians are good Others are bad.
Some atheists are good. Others are bad.
Some Hindus are good. Others are bad.
etc

You claim Muslims are intolerant, ever heard the word hypocrisy? 'Hey they dun worship same as ah does, they must bey terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrists eh-hur-hur-hur. Wyatt, gits us mah sawn off"

IMO, everyone would be better off as an atheist, but thats another argument...

Wasn't it a Christian who gunned down an abortion doctor in a church in front of an entire congregation?

How many Northern Irish killers believed in Jesus Christ? Most, I beleive

Wasnt it Christianity that preahced Galen while the Muslim arab doctors knew otherwise?

Weren't many Nazi supporters Christians?

Christians in England even tried to use the anti-discrimination act to try to discriminate against homosexuals...

Do you honestly believe that you are better than every single Muslim in the world?

Replace Muslims with jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, gypsies etc in your post and see how bigoted you are.

Ever even talked to a Muslim?

[Hondo]

If I was in a senior political position, I wouldn't want a bust of Churchill in my office.

That's why you're not in a senior political position.

[Bob Riebe]

Four choices:

4. He could let him commit suicide and save his face like Hitler did to Rommel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwin_Rommel
5. He could put a bullet in his head like Hitler did, of course then we would have President Bite Me.

[BDunnell]

That's why you're not in a senior political position.

So not having an automatic admiration for Churchill, a man whose record is not entirely admirable, should automatically disqualify one?

[Tazio]

Many of the Muslim countries you posted are quite peaceful, such as Egypt and Turkey. Despite the occupation, most Muslim Palestinians in the West Bank are also peaceful. Other places such as Oman and Tunisia are very peaceful. Conversely, many places that are 95+% Christian, such as Columbia, are some of the most dangerous places in the world. There is very little Muslim related problems in the UK, most are peaceful moderates. Fort Hood and 9/11 were only done by a handful of people, compared to the estimated 2.5-7 million Muslims in America. If they wanted, they could blow your country to bits. But they haven't. Many genocides and killings, ancient and recent, have been perpetrated in the name of Christianity, so don't give me the bs that Muslims are any worse.

Where's the evidence of sharia law in any of the European countries that you claim it is widespread in?

Some Muslims are good. Others are bad.
Some Christians are good Others are bad.
Some atheists are good. Others are bad.
Some Hindus are good. Others are bad.
etc

You claim Muslims are intolerant, ever heard the word hypocrisy? 'Hey they dun worship same as ah does, they must bey terrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrists eh-hur-hur-hur. Wyatt, gits us mah sawn off"

IMO, everyone would be better off as an atheist, but thats another argument...

Wasn't it a Christian who gunned down an abortion doctor in a church in front of an entire congregation?

How many Northern Irish killers believed in Jesus Christ? Most, I beleive

Wasnt it Christianity that preahced Galen while the Muslim arab doctors knew otherwise?

Weren't many Nazi supporters Christians?

Christians in England even tried to use the anti-discrimination act to try to discriminate against homosexuals...

Do you honestly believe that you are better than every single Muslim in the world?

Replace Muslims with jews, blacks, whites, hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, gypsies etc in your post and see how bigoted you are.

Ever even talked to a Muslim?
If you watched the U.S. Algeria footy
those were real tears coming from the eyes of women who may or may not be Muslims and men acting almost as stupid as the rest of us. I would be willing to wager that not one of them left the stadium thinking. "They beat us in a heartbreaker but will get them back directly”
Thank you Captain. I just can't thank you for others who (I like to think are to a large degree joking) with their simplistic and disgraceful lack of empathy!
BTW I highly recommend the movie "The Battle of Algiers" It is about a people that were so determined to be free, they resorted to terrorism.
They suffered far worse torture and grief to convince the colonial leadership who had beaten and tortured them into submission that they would never stop trying.
It reminds me an awful lot of what is going on in Iraq and Afghanistan right now it's scary!
My god what a gullible breed :down:

[Mark in Oshawa]

So not having an automatic admiration for Churchill, a man whose record is not entirely admirable, should automatically disqualify one?

Well, if not for Churchill, you wouldn't be speaking German by choice?

Just a thought.....

[BDunnell]

Well, if not for Churchill, you wouldn't be speaking German by choice?

Just a thought.....

It is perfectly possible, without denigrating Churchill, to argue that another Prime Minister could have led Britain to similar success during the war. And it is wrong to judge him purely on that. Don't forget that he lost the general election in the immediate aftermath of the end of the war in Europe.

[Eki]

It is perfectly possible, without denigrating Churchill, to argue that another Prime Minister could have led Britain to similar success during the war. And it is wrong to judge him purely on that. Don't forget that he lost the general election in the immediate aftermath of the end of the war in Europe.
True. Although Churchill said "Never has so much been owed to so few", it doesn't mean he did it alone.

[Mark in Oshawa]

It is perfectly possible, without denigrating Churchill, to argue that another Prime Minister could have led Britain to similar success during the war. And it is wrong to judge him purely on that. Don't forget that he lost the general election in the immediate aftermath of the end of the war in Europe.

Hey I am not naive enough to think he was perfect, but he took over when the UK was ready to topple off the edge. It is true another politician may have done the same, but they didn't. Winston wasn't Neville Chamberlain, a man in over his head. He took charge, he motivated, politicked for help from the US, and manipulated to make the UK hold the line and win the Battle of Britian while his military re grouped and the Americans entered the war.

IN short, Winston Churchill arguably saved the UK from falling under Nazi rule and it was his personal style with Roosevelt that was irreplaceable.

The fact he was dumped after the election is more a reflection of how most leaders are unable to make the adjustment. I may also point out he was re-elected PM a few years later..so it wasn't like he was completely hated.

HE had a TON of faults and a lot of things he got wrong, but in 1940, I think history shows that he was the man who motivated and led Britain to draw the line the Germans were unable to cross.

[Eki]

Hey I am not naive enough to think he was perfect, but he took over when the UK was ready to topple off the edge. It is true another politician may have done the same, but they didn't. Winston wasn't Neville Chamberlain, a man in over his head. He took charge, he motivated, politicked for help from the US, and manipulated to make the UK hold the line and win the Battle of Britian while his military re grouped and the Americans entered the war.

IN short, Winston Churchill arguably saved the UK from falling under Nazi rule and it was his personal style with Roosevelt that was irreplaceable.

The fact he was dumped after the election is more a reflection of how most leaders are unable to make the adjustment. I may also point out he was re-elected PM a few years later..so it wasn't like he was completely hated.

HE had a TON of faults and a lot of things he got wrong, but in 1940, I think history shows that he was the man who motivated and led Britain to draw the line the Germans were unable to cross.
Chamberlain resigned before the Battle of Britain. If he had not suffered and died for cancer, he could have done the same as Churchill:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain


Chamberlain resigned the premiership on 10 May 1940, after the Allies were forced to retreat from Norway as he believed a government supported by all parties was essential, and the Labour and Liberal parties would not join a government headed by him. He was succeeded by Winston Churchill and remained very well regarded in Parliament, especially among Conservatives. Before ill health forced him to resign, he was an important member of Churchill's War Cabinet, heading it in the new premier's absence. Chamberlain died of cancer six months after leaving the premiership.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Britain


The Battle of Britain (German: Luftschlacht um England) is the name given to the air campaign waged by the German Air Force (Luftwaffe) against the United Kingdom during the summer and autumn of 1940. The objective of the campaign was to gain air superiority over the Royal Air Force (RAF), especially Fighter Command. The name derives from a famous speech delivered by Prime Minister Winston Churchill in the House of Commons: "The Battle of France is over. I expect the Battle of Britain is about to begin..."

[Mark in Oshawa]

Eki, If you think Neville Chamberlain was capable of leading the British people to unite as one to sacrifice what they did is to ignore the disdain and history of his failure in Munich. He had zero credibility and no political capital. He was a nice man and respected, but he didn't do what Winston did, and Britain didn't turn the mental corner of uniting as one until Winston Churchill took over. You hear his great speech on fighting the Germans wherever they may be and you realize he was a great motivator, and he used his personal charisma as a weapon..

[BDunnell]

True. Although Churchill said "Never has so much been owed to so few", it doesn't mean he did it alone.

"Never has so much been owed by so many to so few", to quote it accurately. One of the finest lines ever uttered by a politician, without any doubt.

[BDunnell]

Chamberlain resigned before the Battle of Britain. If he had not suffered and died for cancer, he could have done the same as Churchill:

Er... somehow I doubt it. He was a very nondescript man.

[BDunnell]

Hey I am not naive enough to think he was perfect, but he took over when the UK was ready to topple off the edge. It is true another politician may have done the same, but they didn't. Winston wasn't Neville Chamberlain, a man in over his head. He took charge, he motivated, politicked for help from the US, and manipulated to make the UK hold the line and win the Battle of Britian while his military re grouped and the Americans entered the war.

All very true.



The fact he was dumped after the election is more a reflection of how most leaders are unable to make the adjustment.

It is very possible that he would have lost an election had one been called while the war in Europe was still being fought, in its latter stages at least. And let's not forget that during the 1945 campaign he said that a Labour government would 'probably have to fall back on some kind of Gestapo'. Not the utterance of a man of supreme judgment.


I may also point out he was re-elected PM a few years later..so it wasn't like he was completely hated.

By which time he was too old for the job and performed badly in it.

[Eki]

"Never has so much been owed by so many to so few", to quote it accurately. One of the finest lines ever uttered by a politician, without any doubt.
The finest were:

http://www.winston-churchill-leadership.com/speech-mansions.html


Only Finland-superb, nay, sublime-in the jaws of peril-Finland shows what free men can do. The service rendered by Finland to mankind is magnificent. They have exposed, for all the world to see, the military incapacity of the Red Army and of the Red Air Force. Many illusions about Soviet Russia have been dispelled in these few fierce weeks of fighting in the Arctic Circle. Everyone can see how Communism rots the soul of a nation; how it makes it abject and hungry in peace, and proves it base and abominable in war. We cannot tell what the fate of Finland may be, but no more mournful spectacle could be presented to what is left to civilized mankind than that this splendid Northern race should be at last worn down and reduced to servitude worse than death by the dull brutish force of overwhelming numbers. If the light of freedom which still burns so brightly in the frozen North should be finally quenched, it might well herald a return to the Dark Ages, when every vestige of human progress during two thousand years would be engulfed.

Yes, he was a great orator, or a windbag. On December 6th 1941, the Independence Day of Finland, Churchill's Britain declared war against Finland.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Yes, he was a great orator, or a windbag. On December 6th 1941, the Independence Day of Finland, Churchill's Britain declared war against Finland.

You Just cannot get past the fact Finland was on the wrong side can you? I know it was WAY more complicated, I have read enough about Finnish history to know that you guys were caught between a rock and a hard place, but if you cannot forgive Churchill for declaring war against a nation that had thrown in with the Nazi's then you are are delusional.

[Mark in Oshawa]

It is very possible that he would have lost an election had one been called while the war in Europe was still being fought, in its latter stages at least. And let's not forget that during the 1945 campaign he said that a Labour government would 'probably have to fall back on some kind of Gestapo'. Not the utterance of a man of supreme judgment.
Hey, he was in the end a politician. Find me one who hasn't had his foot right up his throat to the ankle, and I will show you one who hasn't attained office.

Still doesn't change the fact that when 1940 was halfway through, the Germans had the UK in the grasp psychlogically and then Churchill came to power as the BEF was leaving France. It should have been Britain's worst shame short of the Germans invading, and yet Churchill made the evacuation of Dunkerque a rallying point, and pulled people into a psychological head space that they were ready to fight to the end. There was no real evidence the populace at large wanted to really dig deep across the board from things I have read, and THAT is why I always say Churchill's greatest achievement was rallying the British people to lay it on the line in a way they never had to before or since....




By which time he was too old for the job and performed badly in it.

Oh so true, but doesn't change the fact that Atlee couldn't handle the peace and the people wanted the old Bulldog back. The fact he sucked the second time around is a matter of conjecture and politics I suppose, but the people who rejected him after the war wanted him back so it the love/hate cycle couldn't have been too deep..

[Mark in Oshawa]

For those of you who cannot understand why maybe Obama's handling of McChrystal and BP is so strange...read this column by Mark Steyn:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-255034-one-president.html

[Easy Drifter]

I don't know if anyone else has had this situation but Microsoft IE shut down my computer 4 times with an error report before I was able to read all of Steyn's article.

[BDunnell]

Oh so true, but doesn't change the fact that Atlee couldn't handle the peace and the people wanted the old Bulldog back. The fact he sucked the second time around is a matter of conjecture and politics I suppose, but the people who rejected him after the war wanted him back so it the love/hate cycle couldn't have been too deep..

The British electorate re-elected Attlee in 1950, don't forget.

[BDunnell]

For those of you who cannot understand why maybe Obama's handling of McChrystal and BP is so strange...read this column by Mark Steyn:

http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/obama-255034-one-president.html

What I still don't understand is why this has become a political issue, as opposed to 'merely' a technical one. I find this impossible to comprehend. This is a technical problem with a privately-owned oil well. What more is there to add? There should be no need for Obama to make vomit-inducingly trite speeches referencing his daughter, except for his increasing lack of political courage. It is a technical problem that is the fault of a private company. Full stop.

Anyway, I worry for anyone who takes Mark Steyn seriously. His Radio 4 programmes used to be rather good, in a whimsical way. Then he started giving the British public the benefit of his opinions. His columns in the Telegraph around the time of the 2005 Presidential election, in which he regularly offered predictions as to the outcome, ought to have disqualified him from having any credence attached to his opinions. They were hilarious, but not in a good way. And this is also a man who defended Conrad Black, his employer, in print against the allegations that saw Black being sent down. When Black was sent down, Steyn turned his rapier intellect against Black's defence team. What a principled stand in favour of the legal system.

[Captain VXR]

On the subject of American stupidity, wasn't it something like 45% of Americans who believe Earth is less than 10000 years old???
Still, they came up with Coca Cola, Pepsi, Mountain Dew and Jack Daniel's so maybe Americans are either retards or geniuses with no middle ground?

[F1boat]

On the subject of American stupidity, wasn't it something like 45% of Americans who believe Earth is less than 10000 years old???
Still, they came up with Coca Cola, Pepsi, Mountain Dew and Jack Daniel's so maybe Americans are either retards or geniuses with no middle ground?

I am... I also think that this might be the case... some of the examples of horrifying stupidity and bigotry comes from America. Also many of my favorite books, movies and of course the Coca Cola :)

[anthonyvop]

I am... I also think that this might be the case... some of the examples of horrifying stupidity and bigotry comes from America.


Compared to the rest of the world the USA is a lightweight when it comes to "horrifying stupidity and bigotry"

[BDunnell]

Compared to the rest of the world the USA is a lightweight when it comes to "horrifying stupidity and bigotry"

Of course. Silly us.