Serial killers

[driveace]

Does it look like we have another serial killer from Bradford again?
Police have now charged Bradford man Stephen Griffiths with murder after at least 3 prostitutes are missing and a body has been found in the River Aire at Shipley 4 miles from my home.He appeared in court for remand today and answered to the name "Crossbow ******* ".
He will be the 3rd serial killer from Bradford after Peter Sutcliffe,"The Ripper" and Donald Neilson the " Black Panther" also were grom Bradford.
Sutcliffe came from Heaton ,and Neilson fron Thornbury.

[Captain VXR]

Serial killers should be executed - they can never be rehabilitated, unlike most other killers, and keeping them locked up for life is a waste of resources

[Mark in Oshawa]

Naah...let him rot in Jail. I can understand killing him, but I think keeping him caged like the animal he is an actually tougher fate...

[Easy Drifter]

Keeping them in jail costs too much money.
They should all be set free on, say Baffin Island with an axe, a knife, good sleeping bag, tent and a rifle and 5 rounds of ammo. No further support. If they make it back they will be one heck of a strong person.
Otherwise the polar bears have more food.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Keeping them in jail costs too much money.
They should all be set free on, say Baffin Island with an axe, a knife, good sleeping bag, tent and a rifle and 5 rounds of ammo. No further support. If they make it back they will be one heck of a strong person.
Otherwise the polar bears have more food.

Well there is that...or the notion that we are better as a society than that does hold water....

I don't mind paying to keep a prison running. Rumour has it there is lots of room in Kingston Pen for Canadians of that ilk that really deserve to be locked away. I hear the room Bernardo has is just splended...about 90 square feet and boring as hell...

[F1boat]

Keeping them in jail costs too much money.
They should all be set free on, say Baffin Island with an axe, a knife, good sleeping bag, tent and a rifle and 5 rounds of ammo. No further support. If they make it back they will be one heck of a strong person.
Otherwise the polar bears have more food.

I wouldn't risk the health of polar bears :)

[Bob Riebe]

I wouldn't risk the health of polar bears :)
Don't give them any firearms, if they survive they will be qualified for the Olympic marathon after all that running.

[driveace]

And again today van driver Robert Black is found guilty of the murder 30 years ago,of a young girl in Ireland.This guy was difficult to catch in the first place due to his ability to move round the country with his job,and only got caught due to an observant guy who saw a young girl walking down the pavement about to pass a van,and she never walked past the van,so he realised she had been kidnapped.He then followed the van and contacted the police,when stopped the girl was rolled up in a carpet,and gagged

[Knock-on]

I've been to Bradford and I'm amazed there isn't more of them!!

[GridGirl]

I've been to Bradford and I'm amazed there isn't more of them!!

Having recently spent quite a lot of time in that area I tend to concur.

[driveace]

A lot of these serial killers have come from Bradford such as Peter Sutcliffe,Stephen Griffiths,Donald Neilson,Michael Sams ,etc,but Robert Black was from London.There was a girl went missing from Todmorden,about 25 miles from Bradford,but I don't think anyone was ever charged with her dissapearance ,but I stand to be corrected on that.

[Eki]

I started to read this thread as if it was new and noticed Easy Drifter (rest his soul) replying to it. Spooky. Then I realized this is an old thread.

[Knock-on]

I started to read this thread as if it was new and noticed Easy Drifter (rest his soul) replying to it. Spooky. Then I realized this is an old thread.

The phrase "Gone but not forgotten" seems rather apt :)

[Bolton Midnight]

Murder of Suzanne Capper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Capper)

Murder of Kelly Anne Bates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelly_Anne_Bates)

seems Madchester isn't far behind for sickos

[Bolton Midnight]

BBC News - 'Black Panther' Donald Neilson dies (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-16242235)

In my opinion serial killers are mentally sick....thay do not have any kind of work so they opt killing as their profession......i think they really should be executed..

[EuroTroll]

In my opinion serial killers are mentally sick....thay do not have any kind of work so they opt killing as their profession......i think they really should be executed..

Civilized countries don't execute people. :uhoh: :burnout:

[BDunnell]

...thay do not have any kind of work so they opt killing as their profession

Had all serial killers in history been unemployed, your idea might have some kind of merit. As it is, it doesn't.

[Garry Walker]

Civilized countries don't execute people. :uhoh: :burnout:
Only in the heads of the very stupid and naive people.


Murder of Suzanne Capper - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Suzanne_Capper)

Murder of Kelly Anne Bates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kelly_Anne_Bates)


Pretty sick cases, but I am sure some of the more humane and reformed of us would want those people rehabilitated (which will of course work every time) and put back in society.

[Bob Riebe]

Only in the heads of the very stupid and naive people.


Pretty sick cases, but I am sure some of the more humane and reformed of us would want those people rehabilitated (which will of course work every time) and put back in society.

I don't know.
In Minn. we have had a rehabilitation system for sexual predators for twenty years.
In those twenty years, the only one that was released to society, raped again so... hell just execute them.

[Knock-on]

I don't know.
In Minn. we have had a rehabilitation system for sexual predators for twenty years.
In those twenty years, the only one that was released to society, raped again so... hell just execute them.

Why to you write such Bull that you're naive to think wont be challenged. It wasn't even a credible lie because it was obviously made up.


Abstract

Using a retrospective quasi-experimental design, this study evaluates the effectiveness of prison-based treatment by examining recidivism outcomes among 2,040 sex offenders released from Minnesota prisons between 1990 and 2003 (average follow-up period of 9.3 years). To reduce observed selection bias, the authors used propensity score matching to create a comparison group of 1,020 untreated sex offenders who were not significantly different from the 1,020 treated offenders. In addition, intent-to-treat analyses and the Rosenbaum bounds method were used to test the sensitivity of the findings to treatment refuser and unobserved selection bias. Results from the Cox regression analyses revealed that participating in treatment significantly reduced the hazard ratio for rearrest by 27% for sexual recidivism, 18% for violent recidivism, and 12% for general recidivism. These findings are consistent with the growing body of research supporting the effectiveness of cognitive-behavioral treatment for sex offenders.


The impact of prison-based treatment on sex offend... [Sex Abuse. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19531811)

[Bob Riebe]

Why to you write such Bull that you're naive to think wont be challenged. It wasn't even a credible lie because it was obviously made up.



The impact of prison-based treatment on sex offend... [Sex Abuse. 2009] - PubMed - NCBI (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19531811)
Because it was among past news.

Release Planned for MN Sex Offender Who Molested 29 Boys
KSTP.com - 5 days
Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program. In the program's 19 years, one other man was freed with conditions in 2000, but was taken back into custody on a violation.

Why do you bother to post with such ignorance, unless you are saying the Minn. news casters are all lying. (Maybe I should not of have said rape, as newscasters no longer call rape-rape, or sodomy-sodomy. The only time one hears rape nowadays is if some dork 18 year old gets suckered in by a sixteen year old dressed like high class hooker,)

OH yes, the reason it is in the news, is they are thinking of releasing another one and the parents of the person he committed the crime against are fighting like hell to keep him locked-up even though technically his sentence is over, plus the State of Minn. is trying to figure out what to do with all these sex criminals who technically have served their sentence but are not going to be freed.
Many are calling for life sentence for the crime as that solves the problem of incerated people who have already served the worthless sentence.

OH yes this article say nineteen years but the one the other day said twenty.

[Garry Walker]

I don't know.
In Minn. we have had a rehabilitation system for sexual predators for twenty years.
In those twenty years, the only one that was released to society, raped again so... hell just execute them.
To make things clear, I support the execution of all sexual predators. As for their rehabilitation - even if one of the "rehabilitated" is released who committs another crime, then the program is a failure and the risk far too great.

[BDunnell]

To make things clear, I support the execution of all sexual predators.

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.

[Knock-on]

Because it was among past news.

Release Planned for MN Sex Offender Who Molested 29 Boys
KSTP.com - 5 days
Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program. In the program's 19 years, one other man was freed with conditions in 2000, but was taken back into custody on a violation.

Either you are being purposely evasive and try and skew the facts or you really do believe what you write. Whether you're being dishonest or stupid doesn't matter because you are obviously wrong.

You claimed Minn. has had a Rehabilitation system for 20 years and the only person released has raped again and been taken back into custody. What you are talking about is the Commitment program which is a highly contentious scheme. Actually, the scheme itself isn't that contentious; in the UK we call it sectioning. However, some states use it to to remove swathes of criminals such as serious sexual criminals and incarcerate them indefinitely.

Minn. has in fact many different schemes and strategies for dealing with all types of offenders as I detailed and there is overwhelming evidence that these are much more effective on convicted sexual offenders than incarceration only.

Please re-read what you claimed and what I posted.

As for indefinitely sectioning the most serious sexual deviants, I think that is a very valid option but it must be used in proportion. I believe that the onus should be on the innocent in these matters and if there is a realistic chance that a serious sexual criminal will re-offend, then the public should be protected. However, you can't just make up facts otherwise it devalues the whole case.

[Knock-on]

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.

Or can be sexual predators but commit non-sex related crimes as this 51 year old MP (allegedly)

Eric Joyce accused of assault in Commons bar 'had affair with teenage schoolgirl 32 years his junior' | Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2108580/Eric-Joyce-accused-assault-Commons-bar-affair-teenage-schoolgirl-32-years-junior.html)

Sorry Ben, I checked the Morning Star, News Line, The Guardian etc but they weren't running the story so I had to quote the Mail. They were publishing stories about the Murdoch's though ;)

[Garry Walker]

What on earth does that mean? Someone can be sexually predatory without ever committing a criminal offence in so doing.
Obviously, we cannot control the thoughts of people, but rapists and child molesters have only one place where they should go - to the gas chamber. No second chance.
But hypothetically if someone, let's call him ben, had a sexual desire for 7 year old boys, but never acted out those fantasies in any way (that includes downloading child porn), we couldn't lock ben up (even though ben would so deserve it)

[donKey jote]

let's call him ben
^ troll alert ^ :dozey:

[BDunnell]

Obviously, we cannot control the thoughts of people, but rapists and child molesters have only one place where they should go - to the gas chamber. No second chance.
But hypothetically if someone, let's call him ben, had a sexual desire for 7 year old boys, but never acted out those fantasies in any way (that includes downloading child porn), we couldn't lock ben up (even though ben would so deserve it)

Hilarious!

[Bob Riebe]

Either you are being purposely evasive and try and skew the facts or you really do believe what you write. Whether you're being dishonest or stupid doesn't matter because you are obviously wrong.

You claimed Minn. has had a Rehabilitation system for 20 years and the only person released has raped again and been taken back into custody. What you are talking about is the Commitment program which is a highly contentious scheme. Actually, the scheme itself isn't that contentious; in the UK we call it sectioning. However, some states use it to to remove swathes of criminals such as serious sexual criminals and incarcerate them indefinitely.

Minn. has in fact many different schemes and strategies for dealing with all types of offenders as I detailed and there is overwhelming evidence that these are much more effective on convicted sexual offenders than incarceration only.

Please re-read what you claimed and what I posted.

As for indefinitely sectioning the most serious sexual deviants, I think that is a very valid option but it must be used in proportion. I believe that the onus should be on the innocent in these matters and if there is a realistic chance that a serious sexual criminal will re-offend, then the public should be protected. However, you can't just make up facts otherwise it devalues the whole case.
You either have a reading problem or simply cannot stand being wrong.

Minnesota has never successfully discharged a sex offender from its commitment program.

I also said Maybe I should not of have said rape, but as the Minn. laws are in a state of cluster-f because the fact a released sexual offender in Dakota raped and murdered a women, it is a minor error if it is one.

Now babble on but you just make yourself look silly.
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I do believe that the fact that statuatroy rape is treated the same as violent rape and child molestation is sickly pathetic, especially as this is partly and probabbly mainly self-righteous ass-holes using it to get re-elected.