Qualifying

[Hoop-98]

Quals...

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[Hoop-98]

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[Roamy]

I just heard them interview Danica and it was not pretty. She sounds very scared with the car and is not where a racer wants to be.

[Hoop-98]

I think TK just explained why...

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[Hoop-98]

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[Hoop-98]

Weather/Altitude Power Correction (650 Base +20 ram air * correction)

Weather Corrected Relative Power
10:00 657.3
10:30 656.7
11:00 655.9
11:30 654.6
12:00 653.9
12:30 652.6
1:00 653.3
1:30 651.9
2:00 651.2

[Hoop-98]

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[Hoop-98]

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[anthonyvop]

Wow,

Was Jay Howard hosed?

[Hoop-98]

Segment 1 Final 10 - 24 set.

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Weather Corrected Relative Power
10:00 657.3
10:30 656.7
11:00 655.9
11:30 654.6
12:00 653.9
12:30 652.6
1:00 653.3
1:30 651.9
2:00 651.2
2:30 651.2
4:00 652.6
4:30
5:00
5:30

[Hoop-98]

will post speeds when they r up.

[Jag_Warrior]

This is the first time I've watched Indy Qualifying since the split... 15 years? And I enjoyed your updates on here as I watched the Versus show. Thanks, Hoop. :up:

[Hoop-98]

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[Lousada]

Bertrand Baguette in at the first day, now that is impressive! And Simona too, very good!

[Dr. Krogshöj]

Ed? Hideki? What?

[SarahFan]

Ed? Hideki? What?

i think you need to throw Graham and Tag in that conversation also.....

whats interesting is you have the big 5.... then 2 Indy only teams, and two guys/teams that are rumored to have seriously $$$$$$$issues

[Marbles]

I have to admit that I was wrong and the new format makes the whole day something to watch (on a PVR) and keeps the track occupied but I feel the final 9 round has a huge hole in it, rule wise, and Penske pocketed a few easy shots in it.

Why on earth would not be forced to withdraw your best time (as you do in regular qualifying) to run again? It's even less of a gamble in this round! If you want to see some high stakes gambling and grown men cry and drivers point fingers at their team than this is the one rule you don't change in the final round.

So if you have two or three cars in the final round you just keep queueing them up and eating up the clock. You have absolutely nothing to lose. Of course they couldn't come up with a rule to prevent this so, Barnhard, in his wisdom, came up with the following, and it's not a rule (and I'm paraphrasing a paraphrase): "well, uhm... if you go out late... and uhm.. you don't get up to speed.. as I see it... I'll flag your car... yes I will... don't mess with me."

When I saw Helio take some of the slowest warm-up and cool down laps ever I couldn't help but think of Da matta parking his car on the track near the end of qualifying at Laguna Seca.

[SarahFan]

I have to admit that I was wrong and the new format makes the whole day something to watch (on a PVR) and keeps the track occupied but I feel the final 9 round has a huge hole in it, rule wise, and Penske pocketed a few easy shots in it.

Why on earth would not be forced to withdraw your best time (as you do in regular qualifying) to run again? If you want to see some high stakes gambling and grown men cry and drivers point fingers at their team than this is the one rule you don't change in the final round.

So if you have two or three cars in the final round you just keep queueing them up and eating up the clock. You have absolutely nothing to lose. Of course they couldn't come up with a rule to prevent this so, Barnhard, in his wisdom, came up with the following, and it's not a rule (and I'm paraphrasing a paraphrase): "well, uhm... if you go out late... and uhm.. you don't get up to speed.. as I see it... I'll flag your car... yes I will... don't mess with me."

When I saw Helio take some of the slowest warm-up and cool down laps ever I couldn't help but think of Da matta parking his car on the track near the end of qualifying at Laguna Seca.


I'm not a big fan of the fast 9........

[Hoop-98]

Morning Practice..relative HP 651.2

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[SarahFan]

Morning Practice..relative HP 651.2

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Kanaan already put it in the wall this morning....I have no idea how much damage..... and i assume it was the tcar

[Marbles]

Dear lord, no Bump Day coverage in my home and native Canader and I got to go out so no live streaming for me either. If someone gets a torrent up quickly I just may check it out. Or, just come back her.

:'(

[harvick#1]

wow, TK better get his head in the game or hes not racing next week

[TURN3]

Not sure where the proper thread is to post this but as I type, Bruno has just earned huge notch of respect. THAT is impressive!! Very impressive!

[DavePI2]

bruno sure has it going today, great job

[beachbum]

Not sure where the proper thread is to post this but as I type, Bruno has just earned huge notch of respect. THAT is impressive!! Very impressive!8 laps of practice in a car that hasn't turned a wheel in 2 years (stated by Bruno in the interview) and using every inch of the track. A virtuoso performance.

[Hoop-98]

10-33 sorted by speed, Relative HP 637.1 about 1.2 MPH on power, more speed lost to track temp

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[SarahFan]

Hoop....i a litle confused

have the guys/gals in white qualified already today?

[harvick#1]

the ones in white are the ones qualified today, but showing where their Q-speeds are compared to the others

[SarahFan]

so right now sebastian is on the bubble.....

Sarah is safely in the field...

and TK hasnt qualified

and we have Lazier and who else that make still make a run?

[Alexamateo]

so right now sebastian is on the bubble.....

Sarah is safely in the field...

and TK hasnt qualified

and we have Lazier and who else that make still make a run?

As of right now, regulars Tony Kanaan, Takuma Sato, and Milka have not made it in along with J. Lazier.

I think anybody over 224 is safely in, and Tracy should be mildly concerned but not nervous. Mutoh is locked because his official time is the 225+ to put him in the top 9 shoot-out, so what he did in the shootout is irrelevant

[Nikki Katz]

could someone explain some of this to me? i'm on the internet feed which is sowing the fastest times rather than what the grid is. they implied that it's currently as above because kanaan still had to beat the 223.6 to get in. but they're currently sowing sato as 225.4, so why's he not in yet?

[harvick#1]

could someone explain some of this to me? i'm on the internet feed which is sowing the fastest times rather than what the grid is. they implied that it's currently as above because kanaan still had to beat the 223.6 to get in. but they're currently sowing sato as 225.4, so why's he not in yet?

only the top 33 make it in, Sato is not fast enough yet to get in the show

[Nikki Katz]

i get that, but isn't he already faster than saavedra, who's now crashed out anyway?

[harvick#1]

you prolly saw the Practice times, saavedra is still in right now even though he crashed, hes already got his time in, but hes still on bubble

[Alexamateo]

What Harvick says, you saw today's fastest practice lap for each individual driver.

[Nikki Katz]

ah ok, thanks, just annoying that they're showing that instead of the bit that matters!

[Hoop-98]

TK headed out for a Q.

and Sato

[harvick#1]

TK bumps Saavedra out of the field

[Hoop-98]

TK in Romancini withdraws, Saavedra back in

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[Hoop-98]

Howard on the bump.

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[Hoop-98]

Tracy on the bump. Tracy withdraws , howard back in

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[Nikki Katz]

d'oh! i can see tracy not being happy about this!

[Hoop-98]

Tracy out

Either Saavedra or Howard is in. It's Saavedra, Tracy and Howard screwed up.

here's your field

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[Nikki Katz]

savaadra back in???? haha!!!

[harvick#1]

Saavedra back in!!!!! holy cow

[Marbles]

The downside:

I haven't been this disappointed with the results of an Indy event in years.

The upside:

I haven't been this disappointed with the results of an Indy event in years.


I wonder who's idea this was? I'm leaning towards Tracy over Green.

Now this is one kooky bump day. PT and Howard unqualified themselves. Most interesting in years.

[Lousada]

Wow, now that is drama!!

[markabilly]

Tracy out

Either Saavedra or Howard is in.
why?

[harvick#1]

Tracy and Howard forfeited their times to go back out

[Nikki Katz]

why?
tracy and howard both withdrew their times to try to beat eachother to the last spot, but both were significantly slower than earlier so saavedra's earlier time stood.
stupid tactical mistake from kv, tracy would have easily been in the race. a little more understandable from howard as if he didn't go out then tracy would have time for another run.

[Alexamateo]

Ah man, I'm bummed for Tracy :(

[Marbles]

I'm curious to know if Tracy had finished his run with the slower speed if that would have been enough to keep him in the field.

[Hoop-98]

tracy and howard both withdrew their times to try to beat eachother to the last spot, but both were significantly slower than earlier so saavedra's earlier time stood.
stupid tactical mistake from kv, tracy would have easily been in the race. a little more understandable from howard as if he didn't go out then tracy would have time for another run.

What Nikki said, Paul was not bumped when he withdrew.

rh

[Hoop-98]

I'm curious to know if Tracy had finished his run with the slower speed if that would have been enough to keep him in the field.

No, he was already behind Saavedra.

[SUBARUTEAM]

what happened? i'm at work (its monday morning in New Zealand). Did PT and howard 'bump themselves' out of the field?

if they did, what a stupid mistake.

[Marbles]

No, he was already behind Saavedra.

Thanks.

[Marbles]

what happened? i'm at work (its monday morning in New Zealand). Did PT and howard 'bump themselves' out of the field?

if they did, what a stupid mistake.

Nkki Katz explains it above. I believe they were thinking about what happened to Tags last year (got bumped and there was no time left for him to put in another time) and they didn't want it to happen to them.

[harvick#1]

what happened? i'm at work (its monday morning in New Zealand). Did PT and howard 'bump themselves' out of the field?


yep, kinda moronic move by KV to put PT back out there when he was in the field, only to flag off the run when he had a horrible lap 2.

the Howard takes himself out of the field to requalify which put Saavendra back in and the tie hit zero, PT couldnt go back out and Howard ran slower than Saavendra.

[Hoop-98]

Post Mortem

31:00
Kanaan In Bumps Saavedra

31 = 15
32 = 66
33 = 32

26:30 Romacini withdraws

31 = 15
32 = 66
33 = 29

22:00 Romacini in Bumps Saavedra
31 = 11
32 = 15
33 = 66

14:30 Sato in Howard out

31 = 5
32 = 11
33 = 15

Howard Withdraws
10 Howard fails to Q slower than Saavedra also

9:41 Tracy withdraws Saavedra back in

31 = 5
32 = 11
33 = 29

6:17 Tracy attempts

Waves off at 223.3

Lazier waves off

Howard fails to Q

[SUBARUTEAM]

wow thats unbeleivable

2010 might go down as one of the best two days of qualifing since '96

[harvick#1]

hoop you can also add with alittle over and hour to go, Saavedra crashes out to prevent himself defending his spot in the field

[Hoop-98]

hoop you can also add with alittle over and hour to go, Saavedra crashes out to prevent himself defending his spot in the field

So if Tracy has walled it in practice he would be in :) , the 15 made the same call as the 32, just didn't execute.

[Scotty G.]

Morale of the story...

If you are in the Indy 500 with less then 15 minutes to go, you better be damn sure you can run PLENTY fast enough to get back in.

Tracy and Howard weren't running good enough to risk it. And they will be watching on TV next weekend because of it.

[Marbles]

Morale of the story...

If you are in the Indy 500 with less then 15 minutes to go, you better be damn sure you can run PLENTY fast enough to get back in.

Tracy and Howard weren't running good enough to risk it. And they will be watching on TV next weekend because of it.

The decision by PT wasn't an easy call in my opinion. The (last) call by Howerd was further out there IMO. It was almost as if he was trying to advance his position in the order rather than defend it.

[Hoop-98]

The decision by PT wasn't an easy call in my opinion. The (last) call by Howerd was further out there IMO. It was almost as if he was trying to advance his position in the order rather than defend it.

Howard was already bumped by Sato when they withdrew.

the order was

31 - 5
32 - 11
33 - 15
34 - 66 Withdraws moving 29 up to 34
35 - 29

Their attempt was slower than the 29 Car making it

31 - 5
32 - 11
33 - 15
34 - 29

Then the 15 withdrew making it (not wanting to give Howard another chance to bump them off.

If they don't withdraw and get bumped by Howard they are called fools.
If they withdraw and don't out qualify Romancini they are called fools.


31 - 5
32 -11
33 - 29
34 - 66

The 15 waved off leaving it as above.
Thus the 66 had to withdraw to have a chance, and like the 15 failed in their attempt to beat the 233.6 of the 29 car.

rh

[Marbles]

I'm lost on the car numbers. I thought Howerd had requalified ahead of Tracy leaving Tracy on the bubble. Tracy withdraws and fails and leaves Howerd (again) on the Bubble. Howerd withdraws his time on the bubble and fails, as Tracy did, with virtually no time left opening the door for the lad who crashed in practise.

[Hoop-98]

Howard was already bumped by Sato when they withdrew.

the order was

31 - 5 Sato
32 - 11 Kanaan
33 - 15 Tracy
34 - 66 Howard Withdraws moving 29 up to 34
35 - 29 Saavedra


Their (Howard) attempt was slower than the Saavedra 29 Car making it

31 - 5 Sato
32 - 11 Kanaan
33 - 15 Tracy
34 - 29 Saavedra
35 - 66 Howard

Then the 15 (Tracy) withdraws (not wanting to give Howard another chance to bump them off).

If they don't withdraw and get bumped by Howard they are called fools.
If they withdraw and don't out qualify Saavedra they are called fools.

This made the order:

31 - 5 Sato
32 -11 Kanaan
33 - 29 Saavedro
34 - 66 Howard

Tracy waved off leaving it as above.
Thus Howard had to withdraw to make an attempt, and like the 15 failed in their attempt to beat the 233.6 of the 29 car.

rh

[Marbles]

I understood Tracy's predicament but, Oh damn, I thought Howerd was already in the show but on the bubble after PT's failed attempt. I'll blame it on my first streaming adventure and all the ads they have during the important parts. Thanks for spelling it out for me, appreciate it.

[SUBARUTEAM]

thats what I call motorsport!!!

today is what makes indy unique

[harvick#1]

thats what I call motorsport!!!

today is what makes indy unique

whats sad is that teams get bumped for this race, but the next race, they are lucky to get 22 cars in

[NickFalzone]

whats sad is that teams get bumped for this race, but the next race, they are lucky to get 22 cars in

Somewhat true, although if you look at the car count so far this season it has regularly been 24+ for each race. All things considered, the car count has been very good this season. And for the most part, there have only been 1-2 true backmarkers.

[Lousada]

Howard was already bumped by Sato when they withdrew.


This is very confusing. According to the radio/stream commentators yesterday Howard was on the bubble before his last run. On the indy500 trackreport they say the same.


5:41 p.m. #5 TAKUMA SATO/Tokyo
T 2:40.5865 – 224.178

#5 Sato bumps #66 Howard.

5:45 p.m. #66 JAY HOWARD/Basildon, England
T 2:40.9945 – 223.610

#15 Tracy withdraws speed, which was on bubble, to make another attempt. #66 Howard back on bubble.

5:50 p.m. #15 PAUL TRACY/Scarborough, Ontario
3 – Waved off

5:53 p.m. #41 JAQUES LAZIER/Vail, Colo.
Pulled off after warm-up lap.

5:55 p.m. #18 MILKA DUNO/Caracas, Venezuela
2 – Waved off

#11T Kanaan pulls out of head of qualifying line.

#66 Howard withdraws speed, which was on bubble, to make another attempt. #29 Saavedra back on bubble.

5:58 p.m. #66 JAY HOWARD/Basildon, England
T 2:41.3479 – 223.120

The gun to end qualifying was fired just as Howard took the green flag to start his qualifying attempt.
http://www.indianapolismotorspeedway.com/indy500/news/show/37614-daily-trackside-report-sunday-may-23/

According to this, Howard didn't withdrew his time the first attempt. I'm confused now :confused:

[Hoop-98]

Howard was next in line when Sato bumped him, they immediately withdrew their first attempt of 223.824 and made an attempt of 223.610 which put him behind the 29 car's 223.634.

The 2d attempt (223.610) was withdrawn at ~5:58 to make a third attempt which was unsuccessful.

I was telling my wife the announcers had it wrong the whole time.

rh

[rabf1]

"If they don't withdraw and get bumped by Howard they are called fools. If they withdraw and don't out qualify Saavedra they are called fools."

Wrong. Only a fool withdraws a time that is in the field. It seems to be getting fairly common, but it is still foolish. For Tracey, it was particularly foolish because the information they had suggested (1) it was unlikely they could improve their time, and (2) it was unlikely Howard could go quicker than them.