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Sonic

10th May 2010, 09:26

The guy deserves his own thread as I sometimes feel that he gets a fair amount of stick when he screws up but not enough credit when he is as incredible as he was in Spain.

This is a guy who came to F1 the hard way - working at race schools to fund himself in his early european career - and when finally making it to F1, spending several years in tail end or mid pack squads.

Now he's got a top car most expected the hotshot Vettel to blow his doors off but Mark is showing that he can really be regarded as one of the elite.

Now come on Webs; put together a season long charge and prove that you can beat Vettel on a regular basis!

Stretch06

10th May 2010, 10:08

I agree 100% Sonic.

It was great to see him get out in front and stay there. Hopefully the team and MW can continue to show this good form in a week when they hit the streets of Monaco.

Sonic

10th May 2010, 10:31

I agree 100% Sonic.

First time for everything I guess! :D

Welcome btw...

christophulus

10th May 2010, 11:03

It's probably Webber's last, and best, chance to be the champion, and he showed yesterday he has the ability. I agree with the Massa comparison, if he's at the front it's no problem but he's not capable of fighting through the field.

Having said that, he's had the reliability, so if Vettel keeps running into trouble then Red Bull might have to start backing him towards the end of the season, and with the speed of the car he's got a good chance.

Valve Bounce

10th May 2010, 11:05

Mark Webber reminds me alot of Massa in some respects. He's not the best at fighting his way through the field and has shown to be aggressive and easily spooked on ocassion. His two tussles with Lewis and Massa in Australia this season, and his push on Barrichello at the Nurburgring last year spring to mind.

Saying that he is extremely fast and showed he has the mindset to focus on the job in hand and put in the fast laps when needed to maintain a lead. He blew the field away yesterday, and gave one more reason the Red Bull not to get rid of him at the end of the season. If it has to be a Red Bull WDC this year I certainly hope it is Mark.. :)

Me too!

Sonic

10th May 2010, 11:15

The Massa comparision has some validity. However there are, I feel, reasons behind those throw away moments that Mark has displayed from time to time.

It has to be remembered that he was desperate to take his debut win last year, and IMO that made him more reckless at the ring. The same can be said of every Oz GP since 2001 - so focused on doing well at home that he spooks himself: almost an anti-Mansell home ground factor.

Now the first win monkey is off his back and Oz is behind us for another year I believe that Webs can hold it together for the rest of the year.

Webber for WDC! :)

Mia 01

10th May 2010, 11:17

Mark is on his day on pair with Seb. But, he is a bit Red Mist prone´just like Lewis.

All in all, he one of the good guys.

Valve Bounce

10th May 2010, 11:19

Mark is on his day on pair with Seb. But, he is a bit Red Mist prone´just like Lewis.

All in all, he one of the good guys.

Just like Troels Hartmann!

EuroTroll

10th May 2010, 11:22

Ranger

10th May 2010, 11:54

I think Webber can be summed up with:
- very fast driver
- poor racer

When he gets pole and gets a clean start, he's very difficult to beat. When he has to fight with other drivers for position, he's likely to cock it up.

He has several red-mist moments but is generally not bad at fighting through the field. He had some brilliant moments moving through the field last year.

Whatever he was doing differently yesterday, he needs to do more consistently. :up:

Retro Formula 1

10th May 2010, 12:33

Mark is on his day on pair with Seb. But, he is a bit Red Mist prone´just like Lewis.

All in all, he one of the good guys.

Spot on.

He's a great bloke, speaks his mind, is quick but sometimes runs out of skill and runs on aggression instead.

Lewis is obviously the better driver but can get the old "tunnel vision - win or bust" mentality.

Saint Devote

10th May 2010, 12:55

I dont know WHAT he tapped into this weekend but it definitely was psychological. Each time Vettel went quicker, Webber went even quicker.

He led and won in a fashion equal to the greats of the sport.

Possibly, that loss to Vettel at the start, from pole position a few weeks ago, triggered the well known Webber determination.

If he can stay in that mindset he will answer all the doubters and definitely secure another season at RBR.

He was the only driver who DESERVED to win yesterday.

Ent

10th May 2010, 13:10

In a nice gesture, after the weigh-in in Spain, he ran across the main straight and threw his helmet to the crowd. Some lucky Spanish punter went home with the race winner's helmet. He'll have a new one for Monaco, apparently.

ST205GT4

10th May 2010, 13:22

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AJP

10th May 2010, 14:49

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=367433&FS=F1

"Unfortunately I can't get too drunk now because we're at the track again on Wednesday in Monaco," said Webber.

:)

AndyL

10th May 2010, 14:58

Wow, I've seen Lewis and Raikkonen throw their gloves into the crowd but a helmet!! What an amazing souvenir... :)

I remember seeing James Toseland after a World Superbike win hoisting his helmet, gloves, boots and leathers into the crowd, leaving him in just his socks and underpants! What will Webber do if he wins in Monaco :eek:

Big Ben

10th May 2010, 15:35

You're a dirty man Andy.. :p
I'm pretty sure a naked lap has never been done before. Webber high fiving everyone with all matter of things swinging around doesn't bare thinking about. :)

Maybe not by a driver but I know a journalist did it at Silverstone so It's doable

Tazio

10th May 2010, 15:48

If it has to be a Red Bull WDC this year I certainly hope it is Mark..
Me too! In a heartbeat. :up:

Valve Bounce

10th May 2010, 16:16

In a heartbeat. :up:

Nice to see you back again, Taz :)

keysersoze

10th May 2010, 16:39

Mark is a very, very good driver but I see in Seb a champion's mentality and expect he will have the upper hand most of the time. IMO Vettel is the odds on bet for WDC, with Mark finishing somewhere in the top 4 along with Fernando and Lewis.

jens

10th May 2010, 19:20

Webber needed that result to put himself into a better position in contract negotiations for next year. The race has massively improved his situation in the standings - from P8 to P4 in one go and even WDC is not out of reach yet. Maybe Webber can "do a 2008 Massa" and make an incredible comeback after a horrible start? :p :

Overall Mark is fast, usually on a consistent basis - on most weekends he is like one or two tenths off Seb and on his day can even beat him. His racecraft is more inconsistent though and might turn out to be fateful in the fight for the title. He is still behind Vettel in the points standings despite clearly better reliability.

Sonic

10th May 2010, 20:58

His racecraft is more inconsistent though and might turn out to be fateful in the fight for the title.

This could be the spanner in the works, so to speak. Mark has shown (as outlined in previous posts) that in high pressure situations (First win at the Ring, and every Oz GP) he can crack - I can't think of anything much more stressful than a championship run-in. So IMO Marks best hope is to drive like this for the next few GP's and build a lead in the points so he's not under massive pressure in the last few races.

race_director

10th May 2010, 22:02

Mark for me has bern one the most hard working and respectable guys on the field . he is also very down to earth. always on the sidelines doing his work quietly . a bit media shy. does not boost himself as a champion stuff.

i still remember his 1st point in Australia for Minardi .

The most important part, His driving style has always been smooth. even though not spectacular . dont remember him involved in a accident . i might be wrong also

Mia 01

10th May 2010, 22:28

One moore. Mark is excellent at teamwork as he was at the start this race.

When he needs to he can be tough to, ask Lewis. But all in all, someone has to do the dirty things.

Ari

11th May 2010, 02:38

Would love to see Webber win the WDC! Hell, I even have money on him at 32/1..... but I don't know if he can do it.

Vettel definitely has the killer WDC mentality in him, I think if Webber has it he is only just now finding it. Not even last year did he seem to think he could win a WDC.

I would think in the aftermath of the 2009 season he probably looked at the points and save for a bad handful of races at the end of the year he was up there with a big chance.

But, as has been said, he can sometimes see red mist. That can at times separate the great drivers from the champions. People like Schumacher are ALWAYS composed which is what makes them special.

Considering Vettel has been talked up at the next big thing and was going to blow Webber away, I reckon Webbs has done okay! He led Vettel for much of last year and this year is only half a race behind him. That said, Vettel has been plagued with reliability issues this year not of his own fault.

So we're into the F1 season proper, after the circus has closed up shop, and Webber takes a commanding first step.

A couple more races like Spain from Webber and he will fast be on his way. Last year he only won a couple races but stood on the podium plenty of times. Podiums win championships... simple as that. Wins can get you there faster, but a podium can do it just as well! Better to finish in the points than see red mist going for first.... I would hope Webber learnt that lesson in Australia.

RJL25

11th May 2010, 03:02

Valve Bounce

11th May 2010, 04:35

Would love to see Webber win the WDC! Hell, I even have money on him at 32/1..... but I don't know if he can do it.

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Well, he is a better chance of being WDC than The Bombers winning the flag this year. I hope you didn't put a packet on them. :(

Ari

11th May 2010, 06:16

Well, he is a better chance of being WDC than The Bombers winning the flag this year. I hope you didn't put a packet on them. :(

haha

I'd planned to pre-season but they never got out to odds I wanted. By the time they did get out to the odds I wanted it had become clearly apparent they were below par. ;)

wedge

11th May 2010, 15:35

Ent

11th May 2010, 15:45

Just on the point of Mark not being a great racer, people should remember that last year Vettel massively outqualified him all year, but in the races Mark significantly closed that gap suggesting that on many occassions he started behind Seb but ended up finnishing infront... something worth remembering.

He didn't only close the gap, he was in front of Sebastian with just 6 races to go in the season.

I think drivers, when they spend so long in rubbish cars, just get satisfied with "a good effort" (as they have no chance of winning). I think Webber is only now stepping up to the point where he is disappointed without the win, a bit like Jenson did last year. Wins are no longer a bonus, but an expectation, and that changes the way a driver must think. They need to calm down a little, drive more smoothly and be willing to let the race come to them if need be. Schumacher was the master at this type of driving, though he may go in the other direction this year and end up happy with "a good effort", judging by how that Merc is going.

Mia 01

12th May 2010, 20:59

The RBR is superior. Mark can score another win this Sunday.

Saint Devote

13th May 2010, 02:22

Vettel is the better driver.

Can't see why people want to criticise Webber's racing. He's one of the best. Aggressive chopping skills and it seems like people have already forgotten his audacious move on Alonso at last year's Spanish GP.

Vettel is not the better driver - they are equal on that score. The difference is mentality. Vettel is more consistent while Webber is not.

At Catalunya, Webber had an answer for Vettel in a way that Vettel has never experienced before. Everytime SV went quicker, MW went quicker still.

And I do think, that what happened the previous race, really lit Mark Webber up: SV will NOT pass!

Whatever it is, if Webber is able to lock into that mindset for the rest of the season, then he will beat Vettel.

In the RB06, in Catalunya mindset, he will be unstoppable. It was his best race ever, and was truly a remarkable drive.

Always good to see him win :s mokin:

i_max2k2

13th May 2010, 03:17

Yes I if it has to be RB winning the WDC it should be webber, he has to mature more though, and I think this would be the year when he does so. And the way he was matching pace with Vettel in spain, this could definitely become a trend.

Valve Bounce

13th May 2010, 04:08

I think he just got a jar of Vegemite from his Mom, so expect great things from Mark in the next few races.

airshifter

13th May 2010, 04:37

I'm not sure what to think of Webber, though being in a good car seemed to have upped his driving and consistency.

But overall, I view Webber similar to this days David Coulthard. A nice guy, capable of a brilliant drive on the right day. But capable of a terrible drive on the next day, and a lackluster drive the weekend after that.

Hopefully his changed driving and attitude will stick around for a while. When he gets it right he can be really fast.

Ari

13th May 2010, 06:52

He didn't only close the gap, he was in front of Sebastian with just 6 races to go in the season.

I think drivers, when they spend so long in rubbish cars, just get satisfied with "a good effort" (as they have no chance of winning). I think Webber is only now stepping up to the point where he is disappointed without the win, a bit like Jenson did last year. Wins are no longer a bonus, but an expectation, and that changes the way a driver must think. They need to calm down a little, drive more smoothly and be willing to let the race come to them if need be. Schumacher was the master at this type of driving, though he may go in the other direction this year and end up happy with "a good effort", judging by how that Merc is going.

Very good post! Absolutely spot on. I think Barcelona was the first race that Mark went in with that mindset of absolutely having to win. He knew he had the best car and ran it to get home. Didn't drive the pants off it, just went about his way to maximise his day.

RJL25

13th May 2010, 09:31

I think people tend to forget that Vettel is the only team mate who has really been faster them Mark, and Mark's been around a long time and had a lot of team mates. That stunned Mark last year, because he has been known for most of his career as a bit of a qualifying specialist but here is this young punk beating him at his own game! That not only stunned Mark, I think it really pissed him off as well!

Mark and Seb seem to get on very well, Mark seems to genuinely like the kid, but at the same time there isn't anyone else in the world who he would rather beat! When seb passed him on the first corner a couple of weeks ago, you better believe that made him more angry then he has probably ever been before in his career, he is a strong competitor, and you can just see in the way he approached the entire Spannish weekend that his attitude was "Bugger this little sh*t I'm gonna show him what Mark Webber is all about!"

As the commentators said during the race, Mark isn't always the most consistant driver, but when he is on form, there isn't anyone in F1 who can beat him as he displayed in Germany last year and again last weekend.

Mia 01

15th May 2010, 09:47

Give it to em today Mark!

jens

15th May 2010, 21:27

I see that Webber is indeed "doing a Massa" in terms of comeback. If the race order stays the same as qualifying order, Webber would take the WDC lead! And only two races back he was merely 8th. Anyway, Mark really seems on a hot streak at the moment and is totally comfortable in the car. Let's see, for how long can he keep that form up.

ioan

15th May 2010, 22:51

I have never been a Webber fan, but I have to say he is having a great run and putting himself into a good position for this year's championship.

Sonic

15th May 2010, 23:12

ioan

16th May 2010, 00:10

Whoa! Just watched Quali (having managed to avoid the result all day! WIN!) and MY GOD Mark, what the hell have you been eating/drinking/smoking? :eek:

Great stuff. Here's hoping the Bulls don't turn their tyres into mash within two laps this time.

They can do whatever they want with their tires, there is no way past in Monaco as long as the other driver doesn't make a mistake.

airshifter

16th May 2010, 01:14

Brilliant lap by Webber, and well deserved pole. I was personally hoping for Kubica to pull it off, but after a lap like Mark did it was obvious who pushed the hardest and made the lap work.

Saint Devote

16th May 2010, 04:22

Whoa! Just watched Quali (having managed to avoid the result all day! WIN!) and MY GOD Mark, what the hell have you been eating/drinking/smoking? :eek:

Great stuff. Here's hoping the Bulls don't turn their tyres into mash within two laps this time.

I remain convinced that something "woke-up" in Webber that had been dormant when he allowed Vettel to overtake him after starting from pole position in Malaysia - "never again".

jens

16th May 2010, 10:33

I remain convinced that something "woke-up" in Webber that had been dormant when he allowed Vettel to overtake him after starting from pole position in Malaysia - "never again".

Well, Massa also had a wake-up call in Malaysia '07, when he carelessly let two McLarens through in T1. In the next races he had learnt from the mistakes and took back-to-back wins. But it looks like in 2010 against Alonso he has again forgotten to firmly shut the door everywhere (Bahrain, China).

Mia 01

16th May 2010, 11:31

I think that If Mark can manage the lead after the first corner, he will run away with it.

Do it Mark!

Sonic

16th May 2010, 22:30

Well there we go; Championship leader. Sorry I just need to say that again....CHAMPIONSHIP FREAKING LEADER BABY! :D

Awesome, just awesome.

F1boat

16th May 2010, 22:35

Awesome today!

rohanweb

16th May 2010, 23:05

Yes eventhough i am not a webber fan, i think its long due for Mark Webber to win a championship, the Guy deserve it because years of hard work and disapointments now the redbull team has put together very well..so why not..if Jenson can win a title then why not Mark, i think Mark works harder than Jenson like guys... bring it on this year Mark, good luck on you !!!

AJP

16th May 2010, 23:12

Well there we go; Championship leader. Sorry I just need to say that again....CHAMPIONSHIP FREAKING LEADER BABY! :D

Awesome, just awesome.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!

He did it....so bloody happy for him.....

Mia 01

17th May 2010, 00:13

You did well today Mark, just as I suggested.

Job done.

Cooper_S

17th May 2010, 00:25

one swallow does not a summer make.

Saint Devote

17th May 2010, 01:44

one swallow does not a summer make.

True - although it tallies up to TWO and not one grand prix win this year.

I dont think Webber supporters are getting carried away, but just enjoying the moment - and the next two weeks of course :s mokin:

As a Jenson supporter I know well what its like and they SHOULD enjoy it. Its been many seasons of frustration for them as well.

If Jense does not retain the title this season I cannot think of a driver I would like MORE to be the one than the Aussie driver.

Roamy

17th May 2010, 02:20

one swallow does not a summer make.

Thats not what JLo said :)

Ari

17th May 2010, 04:11

Just fantastic! Have been supporting Mark since his days in the Yellow Pages Formula Ford and was at his first Grand Prix in Melbourne.

This is a very, very special time for me!

Oh, and I have money on him for the WDC at 32/1. :)

CNR

17th May 2010, 04:56

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/sport/motor-racing/webber-on-top/1831817.aspx
http://i40.tinypic.com/28a6n85.jpg

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2010/0517/1224270548228.html

F1boat

17th May 2010, 08:20

True - although it tallies up to TWO and not one grand prix win this year.

And one is the Monaco GP. Monaco, baby! It's a moment to savior for all Webbo fans and while I am not exactly a fan, I always feel happy for Mark, because he is a very honest and hard working driver. He deserves this moment of triumph and I wish him well for the rest of the season.

Storm

17th May 2010, 08:32

I have been someone who has criticised Webber and his hype often in the past but I have to say this now -
Another flawless performance all week-end and a well deserved victory to MW.

To think of it, not many of the top10 made any mistakes in a track notorious for being tricky, but Webber had just that much enough of an edge in qualifying and kept it clean (especially through 4 re-starts)

Big Ben

17th May 2010, 11:26

What can I say? Nice comeback. I hope Vettel will up his game so we could at least see a fight between the RBR drivers.

Saint Devote

17th May 2010, 11:49

And maybe Australia will even win the ashes next time!

Did something that one of my favorite drivers, Alan Jones did not do - win Monte Carlo!

But it becomes even harder now for Webber. Vettel is going to go away and try to pull himself together while Mark, riding on top of f1 has to try and maintain this pace. Its not easy and the mental game is after all all that separates the top guys in f1.

But Webber has been through tough times and showed in 2009 what kind of stuff he is made of. There is nobody tougher in f1 - well, maybe Michael Schumacher.

The biggest question is whether Webber can maintain the consistency, for that is what wins championships. The jury is still out.

Will the Australian GP or Spanish GP Webber arrive in Istanbul Park?

aryan

17th May 2010, 12:04

Dr. Krogshöj

17th May 2010, 12:07

Stellar job from Webber, again. When was the last time an Australian led both the F1 World Championship and the IndyCar points? Ricciardo also won in Monaco in the WSR race by the way.

Mia 01

17th May 2010, 12:18

It's interesting reading this thread. Nearly everyone says "... while I'm not a webber fan", yet everyone actually likes him. There are few people who hold a grudge against him, despite him having been in F1 for many years now.

Ever since he moaned and whined at Kimi last year I dislike him for his double nature.

But ofcourse he is a nice chap when everything goes his way, like all the others.

Lets say that I prefer Mark and Seb at the top.

Ranger

17th May 2010, 12:30

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash1/hs545.ash1/31873_123972474288022_100000258111436_230067_27698 59_n.jpg

Is there any driver who wouldn't want to be in that team right now?

Also, here's the pool party video. Awesome.

http://vimeo.com/11784489

Sonic

17th May 2010, 13:56

wedge

17th May 2010, 14:42

Top drive

Makes me wonder how over rated Vettel is. The creme de la creme shine at a place like Monaco.

Valve Bounce

17th May 2010, 15:12

It is interesting how easily Mark pulled away from Vettel and everyone else after the first three SC's. That was simply awesome. :eek:

Ent

17th May 2010, 15:17

Saint Devote

18th May 2010, 02:26

Top drive

Makes me wonder how over rated Vettel is. The creme de la creme shine at a place like Monaco.

Dont be too hard on Vettel, just as I know I level harsh criticism at Lewis - because he is Jenson's teammate.

Vettel is human after all, he has done exceptionally well and what has been forgotten is that Mark Webber is a VERY good racing driver.

We have to remember Vettel's amazing Monza win in 2008 and how he brought the fight to Jenson in 2009 and to be fair, if the RBR had held together at the start of the 2010 season - regardless of circumstances - he might have had quite a lead in the championship.

So they have their ups and downs as we have seen this year. The question is how will both drivers react from now on. It is a mental game and I think the Red Bull garage is going to split in two as a result.

The drivers and their crews are going to become very guarded towards each other and Horner has a job on his hands. But thats the way it must be.

The odds are no more in favour of Vettel. I'd say it is even stevens - let the games begin!!

The question is which drivers other than Jenson and Alonso will be able to win through if or when RBR fail.

We have witnessed that in any race that is not strictly orthodox, RBR's weak point is their strategy.

Ari

18th May 2010, 04:01

Ari

18th May 2010, 04:04

The drivers and their crews are going to become very guarded towards each other and Horner has a job on his hands. But thats the way it must be.

A very good post..... BUT..... Vettel constantly steals Webbers setup.

I don't think many are aware that Webber goes out in Practise and sets the car up then Vettel grabs his setup and runs around, usually, a couple tenths quicker.

I honestly believe this will have a bearing on Mark staying in the team as well. Vettel is fast, no questioning that, but how fast will he be when he needs to set the car up himself?

Saint Devote

18th May 2010, 04:19

What I'm looking forward to is to see how Vettel reacts. The look on Vettel's face in the last 2 press conferences is pretty much the same look Webber had on his face after stuffing up the first corner in Malaysia and gifting Vettel the win. A "that's it, I'm not going to take this anymore" look. I can't want to see what Vettel's response will be, and to see just how far these two drivers will push each other. If they continue to up the ante, they could finish neck and neck at the end of the season, a mile ahead of any nearest rival...

The problem for Vettel is that he has has no answer to Webber. Each time Vettel goes quicker, Webber goes even quicker still!

The RBR advantage will reduce as the season progresses. Since Sakhir the teams have barely had time to catch their breath.

Given their enormous advantage they are yet only just in front of Alonso and Button. And right down to Hamilton this championship can turn quickly.

Mclaren have their aim on the constructors more than the drivers - as does Dietrich Matschitz.

The story this season is the fight for the Constructors title because both Dennis and Mateschitz want that more than the WDC.

Mclaren is the danger team for Red Bull and Woking is better at this than anyone else.

TMorel

18th May 2010, 10:21

Vettel constantly steals Webbers setup

I'd not heard that, but wasn't the same thing levelled at Jenson and how he just copied Rubens setup and so would struggle at McLaren yet he seems to be doing ok.

I would see it being more of a psychological issue for Mark more than anything, he does the hard work, sets the cars up and Seb goes quicker - except Mark still seems to have his head in a good place so maybe they're both mature enough to keep this working method up?

SGWilko

18th May 2010, 10:27

Vettel constantly steals Webbers setup.

Surely, you mean he uses Webbers setup.

He can only steal it if he is not entitled to it.

Anyway, any win or better finish for Mark will be much sweeter given this knowledge.

However, Vettel is still very young, and has a lot of experience to gain in F1.

ShiftingGears

18th May 2010, 10:34

A very good post..... BUT..... Vettel constantly steals Webbers setup.

I don't think many are aware that Webber goes out in Practise and sets the car up then Vettel grabs his setup and runs around, usually, a couple tenths quicker.

Out of interest, where did you hear this?

CaptainRaiden

18th May 2010, 11:23

Webber's last two drives have been absolute masterclass. If Red Bull are going to win the championship, I'd have Webber win it over Vettel.

SGWilko

18th May 2010, 11:31

Out of interest, where did you hear this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajBdDM2qdg

ShiftingGears

18th May 2010, 11:42

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hajBdDM2qdg

Fantastic song.

Valve Bounce

18th May 2010, 15:20

That was Ferrari's lament to ioan.

SGWilko

18th May 2010, 15:50

That was Ferrari's lament to ioan.

No, that must surely be;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2e4NlnLr28

:D

CNR

24th May 2010, 16:26

http://www.forumula1.net/2010/f1/f1-news/webber-im-not-ruling-out-moving-teams/

“I’m very close to the guys at Red Bull, we’ve been through a lot and I have a great relationship with them. Yet things happen and change very fast in this business and you never know what’s around the corner.

Tazio

24th May 2010, 17:09

http://www.forumula1.net/2010/f1/f1-news/webber-im-not-ruling-out-moving-teams/
Translation:
I'm Gone-Johnson! :)

Rodster

24th May 2010, 18:40

It'll be pretty stupid on Red Bulls part to let Mark go at the end of the season. He's produced more for RB than Vettel this season, which isn't Vettel's fault but he was faster at the last two races over his teammate.

I'd keep Mark for another year since he and Seb appear to get along well. Ferrari is like playing for ManU, Real, Inter or the NY Yankees. Either you produce right here, right now or let me show you the door. Mark just comes across as a good down to earth bloak so he should think about staying where he is.

If Massa is booted out then Kube has a better chance of dealing with the pressure of driving alongside Alonso.

Mia 01

24th May 2010, 21:16

As things stand now I´m not so sure neither Mark or Robert wants to drive for them. They don´t seems to honor contracts, and then it´s Alonso who always demand No1.

If they boot Massa, theirs no top driver left. Ferrari can kiss the WCC godbay then.

Dzeidzei

24th May 2010, 21:29

Translation:
I'm Gone-Johnson! :)

Thats what my Google translator gets, too. So Kimi -> RBR, Kubica -> Ferrari, but where do Massa and Webbo go?

Tazio

25th May 2010, 00:21

Thats what my Google translator gets, too. So Kimi -> RBR, Kubica -> Ferrari, but where do Massa and Webbo go?
Hell if I know :devil:
Would you like a little gasoline with your fire sir? :crazy:

With Felipe Massa's contract with the Scuderia Ferrari expiring at the end of 2010, he is currently in negotiations to extend his stay which has lasted since 2006. Although the Brazilian has mentioned being on the receiving end of interest from other "fast" teams.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/14857?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+F1technicalnetFormulaOneNews+ %28F1technical.net+.+Formula+One+news%29

RJL25

25th May 2010, 03:02

Mark is no doubt getting into the latter part of his career now so you can't blame him for wanting more then yet another 1 year deal from Red Bull, he has been on a 1 year "performance based" contract for the last 2 years in a row, I think it would be disrespectful of RBR to not offer him a multi-year deal this time, and I think that is what Mark is getting at when he hints that he may not hang around, why would you cop a 1 year deal off Red Bull if Ferrari are offering you a 2 year deal and probably more money?

Valve Bounce

25th May 2010, 05:45

Ferrari is like playing for ManU, Real, Inter or the NY Yankees. Either you produce right here, right now or let me show you the door. Mark just comes across as a good down to earth bloke so he should think about staying where he is.

If Massa is booted out then Kube has a better chance of dealing with the pressure of driving alongside Alonso.

I think that anyone would be crazy if they were offered a seat at Ferrari and rejected it. Ferrari is F1, F1 is Ferrari, then there are other teams also. This season Alonso and Massa have cars good enough to win races. Mark going to Ferrari could mean that he could end up with the fastest car next year. The BBC commentators were already speculating on this move right through the Monaco race.

Who knows which driver RBR want to pair Vettel with next year? Who knows which driver Ferrari wants if they are not 100% happy with Massa? All we know (or think we know) is that McLaren have their drivers sorted for next year. Everyone else is playing musical chairs.

Let the silly season begin.

Tazio

25th May 2010, 05:58

Mark going to Ferrari could mean that he could end up with the fastest car next year. The BBC commentators were already speculating on this move right through the Monaco race.
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If he comes to The Scuderia next season I'l only have one thing to say about it:

"G'day mate" :)

Ari

25th May 2010, 08:49

I'm pleased for you Ari, I felt exactly the same in 2008. I think if it gets to the stage in the season where Lewis has no chance of winning the title, I'll be rooting for Webber. He's a nice guy and has had so much bad luck in his career, and its nice to see things go his way for once. Plus he classes Silverstone and Melbourne as his home races, so he's the next best thing to a Brit for me lol. I hope he continues to show this dominance over Vettel and secure his spot in the team for next year.. :)

Thanks mate! :)

Ari

25th May 2010, 09:02

No no no no no!

As we all know there is talk of Webber going to Ferrari. But that's all it is. Webber doesn't want to go to Ferrari.... he will stay at Red Bull. No doubt about it! He is just using Ferrari to get some more cash out of Red Bull and a multi-year deal. Mark it down, Webber will announce in June that he's signed with RBR for 2 years.

While Ferrari the creme le da creme of Formula 1 and anyone would want to drive there look at what happened to Fisi last year! He fizzled. Where is he now? As much as Ferrari are career defining, they're also career ending.

Mark is ABSOLUTELY aware of how fast Alonso is and moving to Ferrari would basically be saying you're happy to be #2 driver. Right now he is in the fastest car which allows both drivers to be #1. Why would he not stay!?

Should he win the WDC then perhaps, for experience and the right to say he was there, he could move to Ferrari. Meanwhile the decision will be made before he knows if he has the WDC so he must go the safe option.

Choice 1:

Go to Ferrari, play second fiddle with Alonso... have them get bored and pay out your contract mid-year.

Choice 2:

Stay with Red Bull in the fastest car. Win races and possibly WDC's. Let Ferrari boost your pricetag and contract length.

I know exactly what choice he will be taking!!

“Just three years into my F1 career, I was faced with an amazing choice for ’05: Renault or Williams. Flavio wanted me to go to Renault and that was a tempting option because I knew everyone in the team from my time there as test driver. But I also saw it as a double edged sword. On the one hand, they’d have performance; on the other, I’d be Fernando Alonso’s team-mate. I thought there was more chance of being able to mould Williams around me, so I decided to go there.”

http://www.markwebber.com/my-story/my-history/jaguar-racing-2004/

Mia 01

25th May 2010, 09:51

No no no no no!

As we all know there is talk of Webber going to Ferrari. But that's all it is. Webber doesn't want to go to Ferrari.... he will stay at Red Bull. No doubt about it! He is just using Ferrari to get some more cash out of Red Bull and a multi-year deal. Mark it down, Webber will announce in June that he's signed with RBR for 2 years.

While Ferrari the creme le da creme of Formula 1 and anyone would want to drive there look at what happened to Fisi last year! He fizzled. Where is he now? As much as Ferrari are career defining, they're also career ending.

Mark is ABSOLUTELY aware of how fast Alonso is and moving to Ferrari would basically be saying you're happy to be #2 driver. Right now he is in the fastest car which allows both drivers to be #1. Why would he not stay!?

Should he win the WDC then perhaps, for experience and the right to say he was there, he could move to Ferrari. Meanwhile the decision will be made before he knows if he has the WDC so he must go the safe option.

Choice 1:

Go to Ferrari, play second fiddle with Alonso... have them get bored and pay out your contract mid-year.

Choice 2:

Stay with Red Bull in the fastest car. Win races and possibly WDC's. Let Ferrari boost your pricetag and contract length.

I know exactly what choice he will be taking!!

http://www.markwebber.com/my-story/my-history/jaguar-racing-2004/

They said that about Jenson to.

Ari

26th May 2010, 00:46

They said that about Jenson to.

How dare you defeat my whole rant in 6 words!!!!!!! :o :o

Mia 01

26th May 2010, 08:02

How dare you defeat my whole rant in 6 words!!!!!!! :o :o

One of our members here like it when I post in that way.

Besides theres not much wrong with Mark.

He could very well be a better driver than Massa, and at least on par with Alonso. :vader:

CNR

28th May 2010, 00:18

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/27/mark-webber-red-bull

Red Bull's team principle, Christian Horner, tonight said: "We have been happy with the job that Mark is doing, so why would you change? When we sit down and talk about it, it will be very straightforward. Mark is an important member of the team, he enjoys driving for the team and we have a great balance between our two drivers. So, it is the usual thing – if it is not broken, don't fix it."