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Hondo
21st February 2010, 19:41
I don't know if the across the pond set has seen this but the Yanks have. The other day a gentleman with a short list of people and organizations he doesn't like, set his house on fire and then took off in his private aircraft, a Piper Cherokee, and crashed it into the ground floor of the Internal Revenue Service building in Austin, Texas. Of course he was killed along with one IRS employee.

The Austin police has so far treated it as one of those criminal acts of desperation that people tend to do when they become more fed up with or more afraid of living than they are of dying. A Muslim group is upset because if they get angry and fly planes into buildings out of hatred, they are all terrorists but this gringo does the same thing and is a "nut case".

I can identify with all of them on this one. Like Jag said in another thread, the US tax code is way too complicated. The only reason for a tax code to be complicated is for concealment. You complicate so the citizen won't easily be able to figure out where he is being robbed, how he is being robbed, how often he is being robbed and most of all, how much you are actually getting him for. I understand the need for taxes but not the wasting of tax money. I wouldn't mind a flat tax, or even better, a 15-20% national sales tax with unprocessed food, medicines, housing, medical care, utilities, and clothing with an individual garment cost of $200.00 or below exempted.

Amongst favored IRS tatics is allowing alleged violations to sit and fester for a couple of years before acting on them to allow penalties and interest to build up. Their second favorite is to keep all but the very high profile cases out of criminal court. In criminal court the burden of proof is on the IRS to prove you are guilty of what they accuse. Keeping the case civil and in their jurisdiction means they only have to accuse. Like any other predator, their favorite targets are individuals or small companies that can not afford to fight them for very long, if at all. A tax attorney will always get his money up front, he already knows what the verdict will be.

The Austin IRS had a go at me 4 times during my stay in Texas. Only 1 incident was my fault. My wife at the time did our taxes that year and transposed 2 digits of my SS number. I didn't notice it either and signed the form. Three years later, I get a letter, short story, looked at copy of return, filled out amended return, filed amended return and paid like $60.00 in interest, no penalty.

The last go they had at me was a demand (3 years after the event) for some $35,000.00 in additional taxes, interest, and penalties for income I failed to report. I asked for supporting documentation and they sent me a copy of a 1099 form with my name, SS number, amount, and company name. I never heard of the company. I couldn't find a phone number number for the company. I went to the library and checked the listings for the year in question and the preceding and following years. No listing, no company. I reported all this back to the IRS, they didn't care...PAY US. Over the course of the next two years, I found out that the company tax return had been filed electronically, they didn't have any hard supporting documentation. They couldn't find the company either. I showed them where they issued a Tax ID number to a dead man. Don't care, PAY US. I was going to lose this. They wouldn't go to criminal court with it and I couldn't afford to fight it in their domain. I was furious and can understand where the man with the plane was coming from. One afternoon at a software sale table I got a 3.5 floppy called the Great American Gripe Disk for $5.00. I looked up IRS and found one entry for an office in Washinton D.C. that didn't seem to be connected with the IRS. It cost $50.00 to copy everything I had relating to the case and mail it all to DC with a letter detailing my side of the story. The following week I got a letter from DC saying my case had been reviewed and the package I sent them was being forwarded to Austin with "recommendations" and I would hear from Austin within 2 weeks. Great. I know whats coming next...PAY US NOW! A week later I get an IRS letter from Austin, but it has been addressed by hand, not typed. Inside was a hand written letter of apology from the head lady of the collections branch explaining that, had she known all this, the situation should not have gotten so far and the matter would be dropped. I would receive the official letter within 30 days. It's true Jag, I still have the letter. Jag knows the IRS never, ever admits they were wrong much less apologize. But this lady did. I got the final letter saying that this matter had been reviewed and was being dropped and no further action was required on my part. I swear, I would've sued them but you have to get their permission to sue them. I received a follow up phone call from this lady making sure I had received the closure letter and at the same time she inquired if I was interested in coming to work in that branch as an investigator. I'm not very proud of it and probably should have been more gracious in victory but I was fed up with these alleged people and told her she could suck 'ol Buck and hung up on her. I haven't had an IRS problem since.

As far as the guy with the plane in Austin goes, I tend to view it as an anti-terrorist strike. But you have to have really been through it with those people before you can understand that.

janvanvurpa
21st February 2010, 20:13
Look we all hate taxes, we all know the IRS is criminal, and I'll say I could understand---not condone--but understand if this obviously mal-developed idiot Software "Injur-near" had tracked down the specific IRS bureaucrats plaguing him over his scam attempt to cheat the IRS and drilled them full of holes start at the knees....

But the sociopath burned one of his houses, and flew his airplane into a building intending to kill LOTS of people.....
He's no different then the Arabiac terr'ists who did a bigger job a few years ago in NYC.

Well he's better off, cause this POS had more than one house and an airplane and a life he clearly didn't value.

By the way I just spent 5 years fighting one vindictive, proven lying, PROVEN INCOMPETENT Zoning fool who was fired with one hour to clean his desk---but I still couldn't get "them" to consider his actions vs me in light of his obvious malfeasance and thuggery.
I did think about crippling the POS bureaucrat, but not people who were just mindless drones at the county....

markabilly
21st February 2010, 21:13
At times, some folks would dummy up some 1099 reports to do a tax scam. Worked much better before the info-internet age. Surprized still going on.

Hondo
21st February 2010, 22:00
At times, some folks would dummy up some 1099 reports to do a tax scam. Worked much better before the info-internet age. Surprized still going on.

My deal was in '95.

Lousada
22nd February 2010, 01:06
Sounds more like your country has a problem with effective supervision over the government.
When the IRS of my country sends a demand, you can first appeal to the IRS itself. Your appeal has to be viewed by someone else of the same rank or higher. In effect this means the original demand was made by a computer, the appeal is viewed by a human. By far the major part of the appeals get settled at this level. If there is no satisfactory result at that time you can go to court, loser pays costs.
For every step in the process there are fixed deadlines of 2 to 6 weeks, for both parties, to avoid stalling. If the IRS exceeds these deadlines the judge will take it into account in the final settlement.

While it works far from flawless, every person has the opportunity to "take on" the government until the bitter end to get their justice.

anthonyvop
22nd February 2010, 04:31
Look we all hate taxes, we all know the IRS is criminal, and I'll say I could understand---not condone--but understand if this obviously mal-developed idiot Software "Injur-near" had tracked down the specific IRS bureaucrats plaguing him over his scam attempt to cheat the IRS and drilled them full of holes start at the knees....

But the sociopath burned one of his houses, and flew his airplane into a building intending to kill LOTS of people.....
He's no different then the Arabiac terr'ists who did a bigger job a few years ago in NYC.

Well he's better off, cause this POS had more than one house and an airplane and a life he clearly didn't value.

By the way I just spent 5 years fighting one vindictive, proven lying, PROVEN INCOMPETENT Zoning fool who was fired with one hour to clean his desk---but I still couldn't get "them" to consider his actions vs me in light of his obvious malfeasance and thuggery.
I did think about crippling the POS bureaucrat, but not people who were just mindless drones at the county....

So you are now a conservative?

BTW the pilots manifesto is loaded with Communist and Socialist ideals.

Mark in Oshawa
22nd February 2010, 05:46
Revenue Canada just politely ties up your finances, puts a lien on your house and asks you to say uncle as they slowly tighten the screws. That said, they usually are just bureaucrats doing their job, and are terribly polite even as they deny you the answers you want to hear. Just one more irritant we put with in civilized society. Then again, If I lived in the US, I would hate the IRS...because I have seen how stupid the US tax system is from friends of mine who have lived there, and I thought ours was dumb....

Mark in Oshawa
22nd February 2010, 05:47
So you are now a conservative?

BTW the pilots manifesto is loaded with Communist and Socialist ideals.


Vop...give us a link on that. From what I read about this loser, he had lots of money but was at the end of his tether with the US Gov't. Shades of Timothy McVeigh's retarded logic if you ask me.

Daniel
22nd February 2010, 10:09
So you are now a conservative?

Tony, people aren't one or the other. It's not like sex where you can either be a man or a woman (well unless you're transgender...), with political and social views everyone is a mix of views and I'm sure some people would consider some of your views to be liberal.

Mark in Oshawa
22nd February 2010, 19:04
Tony, people aren't one or the other. It's not like sex where you can either be a man or a woman (well unless you're transgender...), with political and social views everyone is a mix of views and I'm sure some people would consider some of your views to be liberal.

Don't call Tony a libreal!! It would kill him...lol..

I think the one thing I have to keep tempering myself is NOT labelling people. I do it all the time on here and I really know I shouldn't and fall into old traps. I know personally, that I can be very conservative on some issues, and libreal on others. The one common thread I do see tho is accepting the truth, and when you try to view every event through the ideolgical prism, you can get lost in your own argument.

We are all guilty of it to an extent....but we also do have a core that is unshakable in what it believes and in the end, it is what you will believe. It just shouldn't be a one size fits all situations thing. Tony I think IS guilty of that...

emporer_k
23rd February 2010, 18:50
The work in the office next to the revenue and customs, perhaps I should keep a look out incase we get any copycat cases here.

Daniel
23rd February 2010, 19:44
Don't call Tony a libreal!! It would kill him...lol..

I think the one thing I have to keep tempering myself is NOT labelling people. I do it all the time on here and I really know I shouldn't and fall into old traps. I know personally, that I can be very conservative on some issues, and libreal on others. The one common thread I do see tho is accepting the truth, and when you try to view every event through the ideolgical prism, you can get lost in your own argument.

We are all guilty of it to an extent....but we also do have a core that is unshakable in what it believes and in the end, it is what you will believe. It just shouldn't be a one size fits all situations thing. Tony I think IS guilty of that...

Exactly. THe problem is that as soon as you label someone you immediately refuse to see any sense in their posts where there is sense and from there it's a slippery slope.

Mark in Oshawa
23rd February 2010, 20:32
Exactly. THe problem is that as soon as you label someone you immediately refuse to see any sense in their posts where there is sense and from there it's a slippery slope.

I have labelled a few, but I keep reading. Lord knows Ben I have labelled more than once, but he can say a lot I agree with too. So maybe I am rare in that I often seek out the opposite side so to speak to either reaffirm my original instinct or find something new in the debate.

anthonyvop
23rd February 2010, 20:46
Vop...give us a link on that. From what I read about this loser, he had lots of money but was at the end of his tether with the US Gov't. Shades of Timothy McVeigh's retarded logic if you ask me.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html

It is quite the rambling rant but the most telling part are the final lines which pretty much some up his beliefs.


The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Mark in Oshawa
23rd February 2010, 22:36
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2010/0218102stack1.html

It is quite the rambling rant but the most telling part are the final lines which pretty much some up his beliefs.

I don' t know If I would swallow the assertion he is a commie. I read enough of his rant to get he hates big gov't and corrupt politicians, and the last time I looked, Communists tended to like the Big government part.

No, I put him down as a Tim McVeigh clone. He was so full of anger and hate towards the US government that he decided he was going to show them all his anger.

You can assert he is a communist from his end quote, but the rant shows a guy who would be happy being rich and successful and couldn't make it and blamed the government for all his faults if it wasn't the "man" in the ivory tower.