2011 tyre tender

[Gordini]

The current tyre deal with Pirelli runs out after 2010.

The following companies has replied to the tender for 2011-2013
Michelin
Pirelli
Hankook

Who will win ?

[AndyRAC]

None...! There shouldn't be a control tyre. End of.

However, it will likely be Pirelli......

[MJW]

I got a feeling it may be Hankook

[Simmi]

Yeah bring back a tyre war and bring back multiple tyre choices and cutting.

I assume it will revolve around which company is willing to put up funds for a driver scheme or something. Hopefully something like the Bf scheme in the IRC to put prospects in a potentially winning car.

[Helstar]

Tyre control is fine. Just see how many problems in the past ("oh Loeb wins because of the super-tyres Michelin gives him" or "oh in this tarmac rally every WRC car with Pirelli will be beat even by a S2000 with Michelin" and so on).

I think it's working perfectly with a single tyre supplier, I say put even harder compounds to slow the car and have more sideways instead :p !

[JFL]

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Tyre control is fine. Just see how many problems in the past ("oh Loeb wins because of the super-tyres Michelin gives him" or "oh in this tarmac rally every WRC car with Pirelli will be beat even by a S2000 with Michelin" and so on).

I think it's working perfectly with a single tyre supplier, I say put even harder compounds to slow the car and have more sideways instead :p !
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[Sulland]

I think it's working perfectly with a single tyre supplier, I say put even harder compounds to slow the car and have more sideways instead :p !

Yes, yes, yes !

[Macd]

None...! There shouldn't be a control tyre. End of.

However, it will likely be Pirelli......

+ 1 million and one. Im sick of rules rules rules with the FIA. New Zealand will have a single tyre option .......... BORING.

[Mirek]

I also don't agree with controlled tyres. Many drivers and teams, who could enter WRC, have tyre makers as their sponsors and this issue rulles them out of championship.

[Tomi]

]I also don't agree with controlled tyres. Many drivers and teams, who could enter WRC, have tyre makers as their sponsors and this issue rulles them out of championship.

agree tyre regulations should not effect private entrys.

[Maui J.]

agree tyre regulations should not effect private entrys.

I always thought this as well. Let one tyre manufacturer supply the title contenders, to put them on a level playing field, but all privateers to run whatever they want. It would be a great way to encourage more sponsorship money into the sport.

At Rally NZ '08, all the leading contenders for the NZRC (which Rally NZ was a round of), had to forfeit their sponsored (and probably free) tyres, namely Michelin, Dunlop, Yokohama, Hankook & MRF, for the Pirelli control. This just doesn't make sense to me.
Where's the advantage for anyone in that?

[Simmi]

I always thought this as well. Let one tyre manufacturer supply the title contenders, to put them on a level playing field, but all privateers to run whatever they want. It would be a great way to encourage more sponsorship money into the sport.

At Rally NZ '08, all the leading contenders for the NZRC (which Rally NZ was a round of), had to forfeit their sponsored (and probably free) tyres, namely Michelin, Dunlop, Yokohama, Hankook & MRF, for the Pirelli control. This just doesn't make sense to me.
Where's the advantage for anyone in that?

100% agree with this in principle. Only problem would be how do you define a privateer. Because certain drivers with preferable tyres/compounds could do some damage on the leaderboard.

But it is something that should be looked at.

[Sulland]

100% agree with this in principle. Only problem would be how do you define a privateer. Because certain drivers with preferable tyres/compounds could do some damage on the leaderboard.

But it is something that should be looked at.

Privateer is all teams that is not a factory team.
So for 2010 that means 4 drivers that has to use the control tyres, the rest are free to choose.

[koko0703]

Privateer is all teams that is not a factory team.
So for 2010 that means 4 drivers that has to use the control tyres, the rest are free to choose.

I think that is a good idea. Junior teams will never get the same machinary or same testing but if they are free to choose their tyre, they may get advantage over the full works team.

[Simmi]

Privateer is all teams that is not a factory team.
So for 2010 that means 4 drivers that has to use the control tyres, the rest are free to choose.

So for example if Marcus enters a few rounds next year then the tyres could easily be the deciding factor to give him the wins. Especially with the works teams being made to run on less than ideal compounds. It is almost like penalising teams for signing up to the WRC and a bit of a mockery - which is not what the FIA is trying to do. There would have to be certain restrictions for privateers too.

I'd be in favour of just opening up the tyre situation for everyone. Maybe create a necessary type of compound for WRC or for certain events. So basically Bf or Hankook would need to make a similar tyre to what Pirelli has been using.

Or ideally I'd prefer it to go back to the old rules but to just limit the sheer amount of tyre options and development costs. Allow cutting and let teams/drivers make their own tyre deals. That allows sponsorship revenue and also the art of tyre choice returns to spice things up. That's two more variables to improve the spectacle.

[bluuford]

So for example if Marcus enters a few rounds next year then the tyres could easily be the deciding factor to give him the wins. Especially with the works teams being made to run on less than ideal compounds. It is almost like penalising teams for signing up to the WRC and a bit of a mockery - which is not what the FIA is trying to do. There would have to be certain restrictions for privateers too.

I'd be in favour of just opening up the tyre situation for everyone. Maybe create a necessary type of compound for WRC or for certain events. So basically Bf or Hankook would need to make a similar tyre to what Pirelli has been using.

Or ideally I'd prefer it to go back to the old rules but to just limit the sheer amount of tyre options and development costs. Allow cutting and let teams/drivers make their own tyre deals. That allows sponsorship revenue and also the art of tyre choice returns to spice things up. That's two more variables to improve the spectacle.

The problem was and is the costs of tyre testing. The cost and time they used for tyre testing was significant. If you want to add different tyre companies then it is very hard to control the amount of testing they are doing to develop their tyres. That is one hell of expensive action that is almost impossible to control.
So, I am in favor to current system in WRC. However they should delete that rule for GrN and JWRC, because those cars just cannot stand those impacts created by such a stony tyres and that might additionally decrease the level between WRC cars and cheaper cars. That allows more younger and less experienced drivers to drive with less sophisticated and cheaper cars and allows tyre companies to support them until factory teams notice them and hire them.
However, at the same time it is problem for the tyre partner because their proffit will be smaller and makes it difficult to run such series like Pirelli Star Driver program.
And lower grip with the tyres is good and most important thing for spectators. You can watch F1 if you want to see cars passing by or the trains in trainstation. So, better and developed tyres significantly decrease the show and is not good thing.
So, it is definitely rope with two ends.

[Tomi]

So, I am in favor to current system in WRC. However they should delete that rule for GrN and JWRC, because those cars just cannot stand those impacts created by such a stony tyres and that might additionally decrease the level between WRC cars and cheaper cars.

This is all true, but also the WRC cars did have serious problems with the control tyres, atleast at the beginning instead of tyres they broke huge amount of rimms.

[Motorsportfun]

As Michelin group, also Pirelli is complaining the no-development in motorsports of new technologies (new compounds, materials, particular rubbers, etc), so I'm thinking that Hankook will have the best chance to be the 2011-2013 WRC supplier. They needs an important championship to show the brand to the world.

[AndyRAC]

I know the FIA want to cut costs, but the Premier category shouldn't have a control tyre. Control tyres are for the junior formulae, not the Premier. Why no have a spec series car. Having different tyres brings unpredictability on different surfaces, etc
IRC, ALMS/LMS don't have spec tyres, and are better for it.

[Macd]

I know the FIA want to cut costs, but the Premier category shouldn't have a control tyre. Control tyres are for the junior formulae, not the Premier. Why no have a spec series car. Having different tyres brings unpredictability on different surfaces, etc
IRC, ALMS/LMS don't have spec tyres, and are better for it.

At the moment the way I see it is the WRC need to break off from the FIA like F1 threatened to do. The FIA seem to be changing rules and holding the sport back for no reason that I can see. And sure they may want to cut costs but if the teams want to spend huge sums of money, then why not let them? The fia has gotten out of touch with what fans and drivers want from this sport. /rant over

[Simmi]

At the moment the way I see it is the WRC need to break off from the FIA like F1 threatened to do. The FIA seem to be changing rules and holding the sport back for no reason that I can see. And sure they may want to cut costs but if the teams want to spend huge sums of money, then why not let them? The fia has gotten out of touch with what fans and drivers want from this sport. /rant over

Can't say I necessarily agree. While I admit a lot of the changes have taken the sport backwards, cutting costs is necessary to ensure the WRC stays viable for manufacturers. Otherwise current teams spend money others aren't prepared to. Then when they get tired of beating themselves the WRC is left with literally nothing. Hopefully in the longterm (in 2015 say) we will have a thriving championship again and when more teams are committed then they can be allowed to turn on the development taps. Not when there are just two.

The FIA is at least trying to reverse out of this blind alley that is the current WRC car. You also mention F1. If the FIA had not stepped in with the cost cutting measures and simply left it to the manufacturers there would only be a small handful of teams left. As it is the grid is as full as ever.

[Gordini]

Give Hankook a chance, we need more companies that have know-how on top level motorsport !