Citroen DS3 Rally Car testing

[steve_spackman]

http://www.worldcarfans.com/109101522437/citroen-ds3-rally-car-caught

[Mirek]

That one on the picture is class R3T car ;)

[pucky54]

very strange as Peugeot already has an R3T car

[Sulland]

So they will continue to test and homologate the R3T mid 2010 as said in GPWeek, to be ready with the new WRC car (whatever the rules will be...) by I guess 1 Jan 2011.

Is that the best solution, or is it better to do as Ford are doing to race and sell a few S2000 cars, and at the same time develop the new WRCar, but with rally data ?

[wwbroe]

Chris Meeke testing the new Citroen DS3 R3T, looks to me like that car doesn't have any sound at all, looks like another aspirator. :(

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbkf3f_essais-2009-citroen-ds3-r3t-chris-m_auto

[OldF]

Chris Meeke testing the new Citroen DS3 R3T, looks to me like that car doesn't have any sound at all, looks like another aspirator. :(

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xbkf3f_essais-2009-citroen-ds3-r3t-chris-m_auto

Yes, it’s because the R3T have a 28 mm restrictor. The restrictor kills the sound and sounds like lazy farting cows.

[Koppomsbo]

boring

[Francis44]

We already know how it looks.....

Please Citroen, show us the DS3 1.6T.

[ste898]

boring and ugly

[OldF]

Just checked the 2010 regulations and for R3T the restrictor is now 29 mm (little better fart sound and more power) and for the R3D 32 mm.

[modri dirkac]

The question is: will be enought? R3T is really boring to watch and to hear ... :rolleyes:

[Sulland]

The question is: will be enought? R3T is really boring to watch and to hear ... :rolleyes:

Sounds as boring as todays WRC cars.....

[Rallyper]

Sounds as boring as todays WRC cars.....

No, sounds rather than PWRC.

Look - is the R3T a FWD turbo charged car?

[RS]

For me these are not competition cars, rather road cars with a roll cage and a slightly louder exhaust.

The 1.6T WRCs will sound better than this, but I really hope they will rev higher and sound a bit more aggressive than todays WRCs too.

[HaCo]

I like the car. Rallying is not only about big WRC's or Gr B's with perfect sound. In the past clio's, corsa's, ... have showed some nice rallying and this will be about the same.
What does this car cost? About the same as the R3 Clio (non-maxi)?

[Mirek]

Fully built 207 R3T cost around 60 tousand Euro I think.

[306 Cosworth]

Sounds like an Evo Group N car!

[urabus-denoS2000]

HaCo what Clios do you mean?

As far as I know they have always been spectacular full-bread race cars ;)

[modri dirkac]

I heard that Citroen with DS3 R3T will present a very fast car, who could challenge the speed of the Clio R3. Peugeot wilth 207 R3T will stay only as a cup car, so no big improvements in terms of speed (except 1 mm bigger restrictor and a new - more reliable - electronics). Any inside informations? ;)

[urabus-denoS2000]

Off topic but I know that Fiat 500 R3T will cost 48 000 basic kit (no equipment,eg. light pods 2000 euro) . Overall it will be around 60 000 euro

[HaCo]

HaCo what Clios do you mean?

I mean small 2WD cars. When driven by proper and fast drivers, they are spectacular too :)

[Buzz Lightyear]

for all you guys that wanted turbos.. there you go.

[urabus-denoS2000]

Clio Williams GrA,Clio Maxi,Clio S1600 and Clio R3 are all full attractive race cars , all above this in my opinion ;)

But of course it's all about the driver.Even though the car is boring in my opinion Meeke's driving makes it spectatular ;)

[s.loeb]

The new Citroen DS3 R3T reminds me in sound Renault GT Turbo in 1988!! Am i wrong?

[TheFlyingTuga]

Today Portuguese site ralis.online revealed one pic of the new DS3 WRC! It seems that car is being tested by Bulgaski! I guees pic is from Autohebdo!

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4184/citord3wrc10.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/citord3wrc10.jpg/)

Greatings

[noel157]

Loeb will test DS3 WRC over the few days, can anybody confirm?

[306 Cosworth]

Looks awful!

[muscrae]

Loeb will test DS3 WRC over the few days, can anybody confirm?



"This week [Thursday and Friday] I will test the [S2000] DS3.
Sebastien Loeb Q & A

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=6737&desc=Loeb+'just+as+hungry'+for+seventh+WRC+title

[Allyc85]

Today Portuguese site ralis.online revealed one pic of the new DS3 WRC! It seems that car is being tested by Bulgaski! I guees pic is from Autohebdo!

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/4184/citord3wrc10.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/i/citord3wrc10.jpg/)

Greatings

Squashed C4 anyone?

Rally cars will never be the same again :(

[wwbroe]

According to German site rallye-magazin.de, Loeb has been testing his future rallycar in the past days and this for the first time in a proper way and on gravel.
He is saying that they will not do any rally's with it like Ford will do, but he says that with enough testing they can easily reach same level. He is confident that the car will work well. :)

[Langdale Forest]

Let's hope that Loeb does not drive the Ds3 like the C4

[MJW]

Let's hope that Loeb does not drive the Ds3 like the C4
What do you mean by that? sideways is the slow way of driving. You even look at Gwyndaf Evans in UK in an historic specification Escort Mk2 and he is driving "neat" Sideways and flambouant style went out when pacenotes came in. People think, its the active diffs, the tyres, 4WD, Normally aspirated that "spoiled the sideways style". Truth is sideways only worked when you didnt know where exactly the road was going.

[Langdale Forest]

I mean that he might not be very succsesful in it.

[noel157]

Summary of test and picture:

http://wrc.is.free.fr/posts/Tests

English:

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http://wrc.is.free.fr/posts/Tests&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&usg=ALkJrhi4aE1iBTg44nJStmLF5IZG87Qy1Q

[Francis44]

This video shows the new car being tested, and the engine used it's from a C4 WRC but they fitted a restrictor to get more or less the idea on how 1.6T will run.
I must say that im impressed on how the car looks, in the pictures it kinda looked weird but after watching this it looks like an impressive beast.
Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2rXASBu7f0&feature=player_embedded.

[Mirek]

The car use very soft suspension which reminds me Focus WRC.

[dimviii]

This video shows the new car being tested, and the engine used it's from a C4 WRC but they fitted a restrictor to get more or less the idea on how 1.6T will run.
I must say that im impressed on how the car looks, in the pictures it kinda looked weird but after watching this it looks like an impressive beast.
Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2rXASBu7f0&feature=player_embedded.

Νice find!!Where is located this test?

[Koppomsbo]

Nice video, :up:

[noel157]

]The car use very soft suspension which reminds me Focus WRC.

I think the test DS3 is using BOS (as in Subaru) suspension components. Also I think Bugalski said that the test car had a lot of temporary parts on it such as the rear wing.

[6789]

Doesn't look too fast too me. I think Ford may have the upper hand so far in the WRC 2011 battle.

[Mirek]

Doesn't look too fast too me. I think Ford may have the upper hand so far in the WRC 2011 battle.

Which Ford do You compare with?

[Mirek]

I think the test DS3 is using BOS (as in Subaru) suspension components. Also I think Bugalski said that the test car had a lot of temporary parts on it such as the rear wing.

Yes, I know they use BOS based dampers but I meant general working of suspension - very soft springs with long suspension travel and also a lot of bodyshell movement due to acceleration and braking. These aspects seem to be closer to Focus than C4 to me.

[Tom206wrc]

I really like a lot this DS3 racing !!!! :D

It's also already the case with the road car :cool:

[Tom206wrc]

boring and ugly


:rolleyes:

[N.O.T]

looks slow

[Langdale Forest]

It looks ugly as well.

[Langdale Forest]

Well, it is boring and ugly then.

[Woodeye]

I think it's a fine looking car. But at the same time I think it's a bit lame compared to current WRC guns.

[RJM]

Its looks nice but i miss the sound of the 2.0 na engine of the s2000 cars, i think its a shame it will be a 1.6 T.

[RS]

Interesting vid.

I think it's maybe a little better than the current WRCs but at the same time I am a little disappointed. Are they using full S2000 spec transmission on that?

I will look forward to seeing what it is like with the 1.6T engine and also a tarmac test to see how "loose" the car is there.

[Brother John]

Well, it is boring and ugly then.

Yes like all the Citroëns. :rolleyes: :p :

[Mirek]

Its looks nice but i miss the sound of the 2.0 na engine of the s2000 cars, i think its a shame it will be a 1.6 T.

Car on the video has restricted two litre turbo engine engine from C4 WRC

[6789]

]Which Ford do You compare with?

S2000 Ford Fiesta, sorry for the confusion

[Mirek]

Than You must be wrong in Your judgement since that testing DS3 actually use much stronger engine than Fiesta S2000 ;)

[traxx]

Here are some details about the car use for this test :
http://wrc.is.free.fr/posts/2010/01/31/1122-les-details-de-la-ds3wrc

- C4 restricted motor
- Sadev diff and gearbox
- BOS dampers

[Motorsportfun]

Thanx

[koko0703]

Back end of DS3 looks bit like Suzuki WRC. Fiesta has the upper hand appearance wise so far but hopefully performance will be there.

[pucky54]

SX4 WRC looked way better than this rolling hill of waste :D :D
But you are right, especially the Wing

[RJM]

]Car on the video has restricted two litre turbo engine engine from C4 WRC

Yeah i know this but i just love the sound of s2000 cars in the forest... for me na engines sound better thats all.

[Mirek]

Aha, ok :) I agree, I like S2000 sound also.

[RS]

Can some technical brain on these forums (Mirek or OldF?) tell us how they need to write the rules to make modern turbo engines sound good?

I'm hoping that when the 1.6Ts break cover for the first time, things will be rather different but this test video seems to be the worst of both worlds - none of the fantastic turbo sounds of old but also revving much lower than the S2000 cars.

I think these "S1600T" rules have a lot of potential to deliver us a more exciting car but I hope they find a way to make the motors rev a bit higher and deliver slightly less torque at the bottom of the rev range.

The DS3 in the video handles too much like the current WRCars despite the simpler transmission.

[Mirek]

Don't care about sound until there's not the right engine under bonnet ;)

[RS]

]Don't care about sound until there's not the right engine under bonnet ;)

Ok, so are you confident that the 1.6T will be better than the current WRCs?

It's not only the sound I'm worried about since I think the engine characteristics also somewhat change the physics of the cars on the stages.

[Mirek]

No, I'm not confident about anything concerning new engines. I just don't want to judge one engine from different unit.

[Gordini]

Can some technical brain on these forums (Mirek or OldF?) tell us how they need to write the rules to make modern turbo engines sound good?

I'm hoping that when the 1.6Ts break cover for the first time, things will be rather different but this test video seems to be the worst of both worlds - none of the fantastic turbo sounds of old but also revving much lower than the S2000 cars.

I think these "S1600T" rules have a lot of potential to deliver us a more exciting car but I hope they find a way to make the motors rev a bit higher and deliver slightly less torque at the bottom of the rev range.

The DS3 in the video handles too much like the current WRCars despite the simpler transmission.

Reading all the back and fourth with FIA and producers, I think the late Colin McRae had a point with analogue cars and a S2500 engine that has much more torque than a S2000 !
The most important thing is to make it so simple that the cost can be held down.

[Xsara-WRC]

Test de Loeb, Sordo et Meeke avec la DS3 WRC a Málaga :arrow: http://www.flickr.com/photos/david-racing/sets/72157623461789730/
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2694/4368007505_972cacc3cb_o.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2678/4367996299_913fbfa4c5_o.jpg
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4056/4368753862_a54e88e856_o.jpg

[Xsara-WRC]

http://foto-uploaden.nl/img/7/wumgree.jpg

[Francis44]

Man that car looks beautifull, first time we see it it's kinda hard to like, but when you get used to it it's such a beauty, just like the C4 WRC!!!!

[N.O.T]

i don't care how it looks really...once the car is a winner most people don;t care about looks.

[noel157]

Video from the Meeke, Sordo, Loeb DSC 3 test:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ddHJXYtcWk&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeAlocLz8D4&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGukTnnOXeQ&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOYYe59YpDE&feature=player_embedded

[N.O.T]

the car looks stupidly slow....i guess its going to take a while for the teams to produce a car worthy to be the top dog in rallying with the new regulations.

[eppel]

Does this car have paddle shift on the steering wheel (like WRC) or the same system as all the other S2000-cars?

[JFL]

mechanical sequential shifter..

[milly]

Is testing with 2L engine from WRC car, or the new 1.6 Turbo?

[noel157]

Is testing with 2L engine from WRC car, or the new 1.6 Turbo?


Restricted C4 engine.

[Sulland]

How long before they will have a 1600T onboard ?

[eppel]

When the final regulations are decided. Anyone with pictures from inside the car?

[Xsara Fan]

When the final regulations are decided. Anyone with pictures from inside the car?

I talk with my friend from 'DS3 WRC departament' of Citroen Racing about it. He said that for the moment Citroen don`t publish any photos of DS3 WRC cockpit cause they don't wan't Mini people (Prodrive), or Ford people, or other people see it...

[rv65]

I have a feeling that the 1.6T will produce around 300 to 320 HP. Not 280 to 290 as what the WRC report will say. This is despite the control box and the 33 mm restrictor.

[m.lowe]

I think the car is awesome
I hope Meeke gets a works drive with Citroen in the future

[m.lowe]

Hopefully Kenneth Hansen will have one for 2011 in Rallycross

[JFL]

Hopefully Kenneth Hansen will have one for 2011 in Rallycross
:up:
I guess he will.. he was first both on the Xsara and the C4

[Sulland]

Loeb doing snow fun: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.norsk-rally.com%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26vie w%3Darticle%26id%3D6823%3Asebastien-loeb-med-vintertest-av-citroen-ds3

[RICARDO75]

photos:
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/12/52/48/18/4116.jpg
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/12/52/48/18/4216.jpg
http://i62.servimg.com/u/f62/12/52/48/18/4316.jpg

[Red bull]

the fiesta will take alot of beating 4rm this car as the c4 is bullying the focus at the moment

[miksu]

the fiesta will take alot of beating 4rm this car as the c4 is bullying the focus at the moment

Truth! And especially because of that reason.

[J.Lindstroem]

Truth! And especially because of that reason.

We have found the absolut truth!!!11