View Full Version : what was HOT and was NOT in 2009
N.O.T
25th October 2009, 21:04
so what did you like from this year championship
- Loebs 6th championship
- the final round and the flat out battle
- Ogiers performance on his first wrc season
- Sordos pace on some gravel events and his improvement
- Rally polands stages
- Novikovs mental attitude
- the fact that the best driver won at the end
what i didn't like
- Fords and Citroens tactics
- Solbergs constant whinning and excuses
- Latvalas accidents lost us a 3rd title challenger
- Loebs accidents gave a chance to hirvonen to win a championsip by quitting to 2nd places and not driving on most events
- the sick dog championships of PWRC and JWRC and their paper useless champs with no future
- the performances of Rautenbach and Wilson in top eqquipment
- Novikovs crashes
Langdale Forest
25th October 2009, 21:18
N.O.T was NOT in 2009. :D
bluuford
25th October 2009, 21:19
I add a few.
HOT;
Nikkaras performance with GrN Evo 10
Lambros in Greece and in Spain
More reliable splits in WRC.com
Superb delivery of stagetimes and notes by http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/
NOT:
Unreliability of PSD cars
Poland tactics
Too many exclusions in PWRC
JFL
25th October 2009, 21:23
HOT 2009 :
The battle for the title in the last round
Rally Norway, Rally Finland, Rally Poland
Petter Solberg
NOT 2009:
N.O.T
Tactics
pettersolberg29
25th October 2009, 21:26
HOT 2009 :
The battle for the title in the last round
Rally Norway, Rally Finland, Rally Poland
Petter Solberg
NOT 2009:
N.O.T
Tactics
I agree 100% although I'd add Dani Sordo's gravel performances into the HOT section.
RS
25th October 2009, 21:30
+ Mikko and Sordo really showing improvement
+ Petter Solberg putting in a proper effort to keep his career going
+ Right guy won the title in the end
- JM Latvala still accident prone, now with less speed
- FIA still dithering about future technical regs
- Not enough tarmac on calendar
urabus-denoS2000
25th October 2009, 21:32
This whole tactical-2 cars-gravel-gentleman driver-rich children-icecream men- season is a huge NOT
Langdale Forest
25th October 2009, 21:34
HOT.
Hirvonen's almost ledgend speed on the last day of rally GB[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Solberg in a Citroen C4[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Novikovs stunt in Finland[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Ogiers 2nd place in greece[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
PWRC win for a Skoda Fabia S2000 in Greece[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Loebs amazing number of wins (50+)[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
NOT
Latvala being a complete showoff in Poland[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Citroen's pathetic and brutal team orders against Sordo in Spain[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
The Australia Citroen controvesy[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Dave TV coverage in the UK[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Ford's bonnet clips[/*:m:gv33q8bw]
Simmi
25th October 2009, 21:37
I'd also go with Petter and Novikov's balls as HOT points. But apart from that I'm clutching at straws.
NOT
Talent on the sidelines (1 drive for Atko)
Starting the year off in mediocrity. No Monte hurt the series.
Latvala
Rules that encourage/lead to tactics (I can't blame the teams in most instances)
There's probably plenty more.
Langdale Forest
25th October 2009, 21:41
Like Matt Wilson ...
HSG
25th October 2009, 21:46
HOT 2009 :
The battle for the title in the last round
Rally Norway, Rally Finland, Rally Poland
Petter Solberg
NOT 2009:
N.O.T
Tactics
really could not agree more!!!
also a big NOT from me would be: Wilsons "car fixing" :vader:
Josti
25th October 2009, 21:51
Hot:
* Right amount of rallies
* Rally Poland
* Petter Solberg
* Skoda Fabia S2000
* Title battle till the end
* Individual JWRC wins from Abbring and Weijs Jr.
Not:
* No Monte, no Sweden
* Poor line-up
* Laughable rally mileage
* Weak entry lists (Finland excluded)
* Citroën affair in Australia
* Wilson, Rautenbach, Al-Qassimi
* No win for Sordo while he could
* Lousy bonnet error for Hirvonen at GB
* Loeb winning the championship again (obviously not on him to blame)
Francis44
25th October 2009, 22:50
Hot:
+ Awesome wrc entry list in Portugal
+ Solberg with a C4
+ Thousands of people in Rally de Portugal
+ Rally Poland
+ Impressive Ogier pace, especially in Australia
+ Armindo Araùjo PWR champion
Not:
- Latvala mistakes
- C4 wasted on Rautenbach
- Focus wasted on Wilson
Well that's about it.
Hartusvuori
26th October 2009, 11:42
HOT:
+ Exciting second half of the season after how it looked at the midpoint.
+ Superb fight at Rally Norway.
+ From my personal point of view, Rally Finland. Yet again really nice four days of action, and also that Hirvonen managed to control the rally over Loeb for once. Not to forget Ketomaa's debut in WRC.
+ Latvala's win in Sardinia.
+ Sordo's and Ogier's paces in gravel.
+ Petter Solberg World Rally Team. He's much about publicity, but you've got to admit he's still commited to the sport.
+ WRR and WRC.com's result service. Even if faulty, it's still a great oppurtunity to "spectate" rallies over internet.
+ Good number of events.
+ Rally Poland - I hope it'll stay in the WRC calender in the future.
+ Skoda Fabia S2000. Wherever they are, they gather the attention. Hopefully will see a Skoda team in WRC in 2011.
+ ISC's and FIA's attempts to rescue the sport. Even if there's still lots of questions unanswered and unadressed, it must be said it's starting to look better or at least more hopeful.
NOT:
- Lack of overall competition and commited driving, especially from drivers at positions five or lower. Thanks to Loeb's mid-season mishaps this year turned out somewhat interesting, but still this level needs more competition. Hopefully that is only year or two away.
- Latvala's rollercoaster-like season. Hopefully he'll be able to forget this year since when under a lot of stress after previous mistake he's clearly not able to drive as fast as he's previously shown (ie. Friday at Finland).
- Tactics at the last stages of Friday and/or Saturday. Hirvonen's cock-up at Acropolis is an epitome of how it should not be done. Also Australia's 5+ kms of (asphalt) stages after next days running order is decided leaves a stupid aftertaste.
- And while some people feel awfully bad about tactics at the same time they are sure that rally have transformed into a team sport where lead driver should win every time. May the fastest win - as it happened now. Ideals and reality hardly ever match, but sometimes the rhetoric is just too paradoxal to undertand or accept.
- Henning Solberg: "Sabotasje!" He would be entertaining if he wouldn't be so annoying.
- Absence of Atkinson, Galli, Aava and Andersson.
Hopefully there'll be at least the same number of WRC entrants next season so it'd make a decent burial year for this stage of the sport.
I also find myself really happy that N.O.T. started this thread since this is pretty much the first time I hear something constructive from you and even seem to agree with you a lot in this case.
ShiftingGears
26th October 2009, 12:14
One definite NOT for me was Atkinson only driving in one rally. What the hell was he doing for the whole year?
Tomi
26th October 2009, 12:39
so what did you like from this year championship
- Loebs 6th championship
- the final round and the flat out battle
- Ogiers performance on his first wrc season
- Sordos pace on some gravel events and his improvement
- Rally polands stages
- Novikovs mental attitude
- the fact that the best driver won at the end
what i didn't like
- Fords and Citroens tactics
- Solbergs constant whinning and excuses
- Latvalas accidents lost us a 3rd title challenger
- Loebs accidents gave a chance to hirvonen to win a championsip by quitting to 2nd places and not driving on most events
- the sick dog championships of PWRC and JWRC and their paper useless champs with no future
- the performances of Rautenbach and Wilson in top eqquipment
- Novikovs crashes
Agree on every point, except the PWRC and JWRC thing, this year the lineup was not very good, but the drivers gets good experience from world rallies, and learn about the stages, get good notes, kind of investment in the future.
N.O.T
26th October 2009, 14:33
Agree on every point, except the PWRC and JWRC thing, this year the lineup was not very good, but the drivers gets good experience from world rallies, and learn about the stages, get good notes, kind of investment in the future.
i agree that the pwrc and the jwrc are good experience for the drivers the problem is that the drivers who are in them don;t have any future nomatter the experience they get...
Tomi
26th October 2009, 14:43
i agree that the pwrc and the jwrc are good experience for the drivers the problem is that the drivers who are in them don;t have any future nomatter the experience they get...
Yes, the competition is tough, but if does well there they get test possibilities with WRC teams, those tests are more important for the future, like Nikara now in GB a few ok stages, next week he gets to test with Prodrive.
Josti
26th October 2009, 14:43
i agree that the pwrc and the jwrc are good experience for the drivers the problem is that the drivers who are in them don;t have any future nomatter the experience they get...
I don't like to be bias, but Abbring at age 20, is showing some promise and has good backing too.
jens
26th October 2009, 15:20
Hot:
- Hirvonen
- P. Solberg managing to keep his career going despite being out of drive/team before 2009.
Not:
- Latvala
- only two manufacturers, competition continually getting worse each year.
Roy
27th October 2009, 09:32
HOT
Driver: Hirvonen. He grows.
Team: Citroen did it again.
Rally: Greece
Competition: At the last rally fight for championship and other places behind. (5 until 7)
Other: A lot of young guns and many WRCars
Talent: Ogier.
JWRC: Kevin Abbring and Hans Weijs won first rallies.
NOT
Driver: Latvala. Again a crash test dummy. (Wilson do something!)
Team: Stobart. Nice drivers, but not good drivers.
Rally: Argentina
Competition: Penalty for Citroen team in Australia where to less. Ford where penalized harder in Portugal (windowgate).
Other: Spain has to be changed for Germany
Talent: Novikov crash to much
JWRC: Some fights in rallies, no real competition overall.
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