Kimi's future - No racing in 2010?

[Dzeidzei]

You think he was paid for 1 WDC in 4 years?! Good joke. :p :


I dont get your logic. Do you think Ferrari thinks that "if we pay Felipe less its okay for him to win zip"? Cause thats what he´s won. Zero.

He´s a nice guy, and at times very quick, but he might very well end up being once close to winning something and then have his career destroyed by a freak accident. If this -and it would be sad- happens, he never won anything. So every penny for him was a waste of money.

Just to remind you: there are currently 3 wdc drivers in F1. All the rest have won zip so far. This year we´ll have a 4th one. It wont be Felipe but his fellow Brazilian.

[ioan]

Strange logic here. You're trying to say Kimi needs to approx. triple his point per race to rate as highly as Felipe. Seeing as Kimi averages 5.13 point per race (from above post) I think he may have trouble accomplishing that. But at least we know where you stand.

btw weren't you the one defending RS high salary at Toyota a few years back when he wasn't getting the job done? Talking out of both sides of your mouth again, are you?

Where did I say he has to score 4 times more?! :confused:

What I said is that he is under performing. Not my fault if 2+2 =7 for you.

[ioan]

When you said he is expected to perform in every race and that he has only won 1 WDC in 4 years. If you think he is only producing a 4th of his potential, that suggests to us you expect him to score 4 times more.. :p

I guess for you 2+2=9! :laugh:
Try not to read what isn't there.

He's under performing. No one asks him to be 4 times better just much better than he is doing right now. I guess next time you'll come up with 2+2=1. :p :

[Dzeidzei]

He's under performing. No one asks him to be 4 times better just much better than he is doing right now.

Actually, right now he´s the best one out there. Scoring podiums and wins in an inferior car.

[truefan72]

Maths jokes are obviously your secret love.... Nerd alert :p

Where did you pluck these figures from?, and how are they relevant to your expectations of Kimi?

On what basis should Kimi be performing much better than Massa when he is merely 7 points adrift over 2 seasons, and 1 WDC better off?


I'de like to know that too, but don't hold your breath.

Expect some sort of callous statement followed by complete avoidance of the issue, then feigned outrage at being called out

[Dzeidzei]

Expect some sort of callous statement followed by complete avoidance of the issue, then feigned outrage at being called out

Well, at these troubled times its good we can trust in something. The forum clown.

:)

[DexDexter]

2007:

Kimi:

Kimi had one electrical problem (Spain) and one mechanical problem (Europe). Not counting these two races, he finished the other 15 races with 110 points, which gives him 7.33 points per race.

Massa also finished 15 races and did not finish 2. Of the two, one was a suspension problem (Italy) but the other one, he missed the red light at the end of the pit lane and was disqualified, so I consider that a driver error. He had 94 points, over 16 races, gives him 5.87 points per race.

2008:

Massa had two retirements. In Australia he spun coming out of turn one when racing Kovalainen, so that's not a car failure. In Malaysia, he spun out of the race on lap 31, without any car failure. As such, I consider that a driver error too. As such, he had 97 points over 18 races, which gives him an average of 5.38 points per race.

Kimi:
Retired in two races and finished 16. Of these, Canada was definitely not his fault, as Hamilton ran into him in the pit lane, so I won't count that as driver error. In the European Grand Prix, Kimi had an engine failure. He had 75 points, over 16 races, which give him an average of 4.68 points per race.

2009 (until the end of German GP):

Kimi: Of the 9 races, Kimi finished 7 and retired in 2. He retired the Spanish GP with a hydraulic failure, so not a driver error. In Germany he had a radiator issue, so again not a driver fault. He had 10 points by the end of German GP, over 7 races, gives him an average of 1.42 points per race.

Massa: Of the 9 races, Massa finished 7 and retired in 2. He had a suspension problem in Australia, so not a driver fault. In China, he had an electrical issue, so again not a driver error. He had 22 points at the end of German GP, over 7 races, gives him an average of 3.14 points per race.

Overall:
Kimi: 195 points over 38 races: 5.13 points per race.

Massa: 213 points over 41 races: 5.19 points per race.

It is very clear that their points per race (excluding car failure) is very very close. 5.19 plays 5.13. Not much in it really.

Exactly, so I stand by my statement that if Kimi is inconsistent, so is Massa. The FACTS back it up.

[ioan]

Actually, right now he´s the best one out there. Scoring podiums and wins in an inferior car.

You are right.
I was thinking more about last season and this season as a whole. Right now he is really doing a great job. :)

[F1boat]

With the small difference that Kimi is a WDC. :-)

[DexDexter]

You are right.
I was thinking more about last season and this season as a whole. Right now he is really doing a great job. :)

:up:

[pino]

Well, at these troubled times its good we can trust in something. The forum clown.

:)

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

[F1boat]

Oh, come on, Pino, there is nothing wrong in being a clown...
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t114/Darth_Sparhawk/Super%20heroes/jokercool.gif

[DexDexter]

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

That is bit harsh.

[Boudica]

Proof needed.

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

[Saint Devote]

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Well stated.

Ferrari have always been treacherous, even to their champions. Niki Lauda is the most open and it ended where he left before the end of the 1977 season.

Felipe Massa believes that he is every measure of Raikkonen - he is indeed, a legend in his own mind.

[ioan]

Ferrari have always been treacherous, even to their champions.

I believe a certain Michael Schumacher would know more about that than you and he's been with this team for 14 years now and signed a new consultant contract for 3 more years. :wave:
AFAIK Ferrari are one of the most, if not the most, driver friendly teams out there.

[Saint Devote]

I believe a certain Michael Schumacher would know more about that than you and he's been with this team for 14 years now and signed a new consultant contract for 3 more years. :wave:
AFAIK Ferrari are one of the most, if not the most, driver friendly teams out there.

Schumacher was not there when Enzo Ferrari was alive - Lauda, Surtees and Vacarella are three just to name a few with such stories. I could relate others but I do not want to "monitored" over discussing motor racing history.

Schumacher is a bad example for you to use - but you have no other perspective - because it was Schumacher that always gained in an era where a racing car could be tailored by a team in a way that today can only be imagied.

In today's racing environment, Schumacher could not achieve what he did - maybe he realized how difficult driving would be when he tested the 2007 car at Mugello.

Is it possible that Fisichella did not do much better than Schumacher would have? Imagine if Schumacher had raced and did not make Q3 while Raikkonen did!! Although I am sure the excuses from all and sundry would have spewed like an Oklahoma gusher!

[pino]

Please let's keep this on topic thank you !

[Dzeidzei]

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

So you really feel that calling someone a clown qualifies for a lifetime ban? I mean really? After all thats been said in here?

My sincere apologies. I didnt realise there are different standards here.

[Dzeidzei]

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Nothing to add to this really. Ferraris problem is that the contracts are so rock solid nowadays that its virtually impossible to lure yourself out of them. Thats why Ferrari will be paying a big chunk of Kimis salary at McLaren next year.

Or maybe Santander will? Will Kimi be forced to wear their logo? :)

[pino]

So you really feel that calling someone a clown qualifies for a lifetime ban? I mean really? After all thats been said in here?

My sincere apologies. I didnt realise there are different standards here.

You ( and many others) have been warned many times now, I will not tollerate any more insults, not from you nor from anybodyelse. End of the story !

[Roamy]

I love everyone. You guys are the greatest. We have such a great world all of us getting along like we are just one world. Pino is the leader of the new revolution _ Peace Brother _ Love thy Neighbor.

So lets all love Flav and let him back in. :D

[F1boat]

Nothing to add to this really. Ferraris problem is that the contracts are so rock solid nowadays that its virtually impossible to lure yourself out of them. Thats why Ferrari will be paying a big chunk of Kimis salary at McLaren next year.

Or maybe Santander will? Will Kimi be forced to wear their logo? :)

Why not? Santander has both teams.

[Dzeidzei]

Why not? Santander has both teams.

Oh yes, forgot about that :)

[DexDexter]

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Well said but the personal sponsorship stuff is bit thick to me.

[Knock-on]

One more insult and you will be history in here, do remeber that !

Is that like a ban but suspended for two years :laugh:

(sorry mate, just joshing yer ;) )

[SGWilko]

anybodyelse.

Ooooohhhhh, is this our newest member? :D

[jas123f1]

Domenicali supported Felipe much better in the press when he struggled at the beginning of 2008. He constantly kept on reassuring Felipe and defended him in the press. With Kimi he did the exact opposite, he said that he didn't need to defended Kimi because he doesn't need it. It is a bit strange for a team principle to act so differently towards both drivers. And it is also because of this behaviour that the Alonso to Ferrari rumours started.

Ferrari introduced a new suspension at the German GP last year, and it was partly because of this suspension that Kimi had a few very bad races during that part of the season, which took away his chances of fighting for the WDC. Even before the suspension where introduced, Gazzeta already published that they were struggling to get the suspension to work with Kimi's setup. And yet they still introduced the suspension, when Kimi was still fighting for the WDC. Kimi and his managers eventually had to go and see Luca di Montezemelo, just for him to be able to use the older spec of the car again.

Then if you look at this year, Kimi has always been fueled heavier then Felipe when both have made it into Q3, that is exactly the same strategy that Mclaren have been using with Lewis and Heikki. Then apart from that, eventhough Kimi always had more fuel they also at times pitted Kimi before Felipe, making his heavier fuel strategy effectively redundant.

Then of course there is also the direct testimony of Felipe himself, he has said a few times now that he has been the lead driver for the past two years, and that the team listens to his development input. Schumacher also stated just 3 weeks ago that Felipe is the team's no.1 driver. Why would they lie about it in the press? It is obvious something has been going on.

The main problem seems to be between Kimi and Domenicali. According to RAI the Robertsons asked for a deal with Ferrari until 2011, but only on the condition that Domenicali resigns as the team principle. Obviously they didn't agree to this deal.

As for the salaries according to F1 money and Business F1, Felipe's salary was 13 million in 2008, while Kimi earned 18 million from Ferrari in 2008, the rest of Kimi's salary is made up by personal sponsorship, so the difference between their salaries isn't as big as some people are making it out to be.

It is obvious that Ferrari really wants Alonso in the team, and at the same time it also seems like Kimi might be wanting out. So it would really be a perfect solution for all concerned if we can have Alonso in Ferrari and Kimi in Mclaren next year. :)

Yes - in that way it is...
I can some way even accept if the team make their choice – but I have very difficult accept if they don’t keep their words and contracts with drivers – especially when driver is one of the best..

Ferrari was favouring Kimi 2007, when Felipe didn’t have any chance any more - when there were a couple races left and Kimi was doing a fantastic job. After that has it has been more in Felipe’s favour and I think that every one knows that – I’m sure also Kimi knows it…and feel it.. Now when Felipe is recovering is Kimi again as first driver and doing a very good job.

It’s not fair that as soon as somebody is paying big money to the Ferrari – they starts making trouble for contracted driver(s).

How big Kimis salary is has nothing to do with this, contract is there and both sides have to fulfil it – if Ferrari wants to kick their latest world champion – they must in any case pay Kimi in accordance with the contract – so why don’t let him also make his job.. :)

[Firstgear]

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

[Copse]

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

Don't you think F1 contracts will usually contain clauses saying that if the driver doesn't get to drive in F1, it will get terminated early, either automatically or on the driver's initiative, possibly with a monetary fine in one direction or the other? I don't know if they do, but since the contracts are negotiated between the different parties, I doubt they will be completely one-sided and leave the driver completely at the team's whim.

[Firstgear]

Don't you think F1 contracts will usually contain clauses saying that if the driver doesn't get to drive in F1, it will get terminated early....

I did think of that, but I was just wondering about other's opinions, or the likelyhood of it happening, or if something similar had ever happened in F1 in the past.

[ioan]

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

Unlikely.
The contract will surely contain a clause that says he has to drive in F1 if under contract with the team.

[jens]

Not much to add to the conversation here, but I don't know, why some people keep highlighting that WDC-factor so much to 'prove' something. WDC is a nice thing and every driver's ultimate goal, but some make it sound like "he has a WDC, so he is better than that guy, who hasn't got it", is kinda unfair especially considering, how close the last few seasons have been and the final result could have very-very easily been completely different.

[Boudica]

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?


There is clauses against this. A driver must be in a racing seat, a drivers value is often determined by his last races, so if driver doesn't drive for a year it would do damage to their value, and their driving is ultimately their commodity, that is why the drivers, and especially the top drivers have clauses against this. The job description of a test driver and a race driver are also entirely different.

[Saint Devote]

Not much to add to the conversation here, but I don't know, why some people keep highlighting that WDC-factor so much to 'prove' something. WDC is a nice thing and every driver's ultimate goal, but some make it sound like "he has a WDC, so he is better than that guy, who hasn't got it", is kinda unfair especially considering, how close the last few seasons have been and the final result could have very-very easily been completely different.

In principle I agree with you. But usually there has to be significant reasons why a driver that has not won the WDC be considered equal.

Wining the WDC is like wearing the rings from winning the Indy 500 or winning the World series. It is a mark of achievement.

The difference between a driver that does not reach beyong Q1 compared to his teammate being the first five cars for example at the end of Q3 may be relatively small timewise but the Q3 driver is viewed as the better driver.

Massa did not clinch the deal, Kimi did. And reviewing Raikkonen's achievements in f1, it is self-evident that he is the better driver.

If Ferrari gets rid of Kimi and retain Massa then they will look quite ridiculous - but of Alonso is hired then it will also look like the hand of Alonso is at work. Alonso does NOT like teammates that are competitive with him at all! :vader:

[DexDexter]

In principle I agree with you. But usually there has to be significant reasons why a driver that has not won the WDC be considered equal.

Wining the WDC is like wearing the rings from winning the Indy 500 or winning the World series. It is a mark of achievement.

The difference between a driver that does not reach beyong Q1 compared to his teammate being the first five cars for example at the end of Q3 may be relatively small timewise but the Q3 driver is viewed as the better driver.

Massa did not clinch the deal, Kimi did. And reviewing Raikkonen's achievements in f1, it is self-evident that he is the better driver.

If Ferrari gets rid of Kimi and retain Massa then they will look quite ridiculous - but of Alonso is hired then it will also look like the hand of Alonso is at work. Alonso does NOT like teammates that are competitive with him at all! :vader:

I know people here like point to 2008 season and based on that they suggest that Kimi is not as good as 1. he was or 2. as was hyped. I'm trying to look objectively at 2008 :) and there was a dip in Kimi's performances compared to Massa around mid-season, that's a fact. But people who dislike Kimi leave it at that and don't seem to want to consider that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all his fault. Based on Kimi's performances now it is possible that last year there were car issues that people (also those who don't like him) should take into account before judging him, since it's clear that he is as good as ever. There you go, I didn't sound too much like a Kimi-fan boy, did I?

[F1boat]

Kimi might not be as good as hyped, as they hyped him as better than MS, but he is bloody good!

[jas123f1]

A question here. :)

If (make that a big IF) all the speculation is true, and Ferrari have signed Alonso to run alongside Massa for next year......is there anything that is stopping Ferrari from just sitting Kimi for the year instead of letting him go to Mac or elsewhere. If they're paying him regardless, why let him drive for the competition?

Probably not – however the contract is said to be ”watertight” - especially because Kimi is making a very good job. The reason to that the 2009 result doesn’t looks better really is not depending on drivers (Kimi or Massa) and every one knows that - I think - it’s depending on the car - not on the drivers. And above that, the team has made couple of mistakes – enough to loos the title if the car would be better. So if (a big IF - because I think its not necessary to accuse any but..) IF anybody is responsible to that it must be Stefano it shelf..

Also McLaren made same mistakes, both teams made couple of wrong decisions when developing their 2009 years car.

That easy it is, the reason to that they in spite of that have a win is solely because of good drivers (like Lewis and Kimi) and the team making a excellent work under the weekend.

I can’t see McLaren speaking that they will pull out Lewis, because of the teams result for the year is not that good – and the situation is quite similar in both teams now when Kimi is in the first driver position again.

:)

[555-04Q2]

Not much to add to the conversation here, but I don't know, why some people keep highlighting that WDC-factor so much to 'prove' something. WDC is a nice thing and every driver's ultimate goal, but some make it sound like "he has a WDC, so he is better than that guy, who hasn't got it", is kinda unfair especially considering, how close the last few seasons have been and the final result could have very-very easily been completely different.

I agree and disagree with you. Just because a driver has won a WDC doesnt mean he is better than one that hasnt. However, winning a WDC shows that that driver was at least consistant enough over a season to beat the others, regardless of how good their car was.

[truefan72]

The media hyped him to be better than MS, but us the fans who have been watching F1 during the length of his F1 career knew just how good he was. I wouldn't say he is better or worse, I just know he is a totally different type of driver. People do like to bash him because of last season as if all the seasons previously have simply melted away. It was obvious he was struggling with the car last season compared with Massa but its pretty fickle to assume its because he is a worse driver, isn't it? He's won one world championship, been runner up in two, and finished in the top three on four ocassions. Even in 2008 he finished third and this is what is generating all the fuss. I say give him chance... :)

very well said

[Saint Devote]

I know people here like point to 2008 season and based on that they suggest that Kimi is not as good as 1. he was or 2. as was hyped. I'm trying to look objectively at 2008 :) and there was a dip in Kimi's performances compared to Massa around mid-season, that's a fact. But people who dislike Kimi leave it at that and don't seem to want to consider that maybe, just maybe, it wasn't all his fault. Based on Kimi's performances now it is possible that last year there were car issues that people (also those who don't like him) should take into account before judging him, since it's clear that he is as good as ever. There you go, I didn't sound too much like a Kimi-fan boy, did I?

There are many people that do not like Kimi because he has ironclad self-esteem. This is a quality I admire a great deal. He is not weak pyschologically as is Massa - the Brazilian needs constant babying by his engineer.

There is a whole body of achievement by Raikkonen while at Mclaren that demonstrates how good he is. The way he won in 2007 was difficult.

And since Massa left he is the highest scoring driver with Barrichello some way behind. The Ferrari team have provided Kimi with proper attention and this is the result.

Too much is made of 2008. Kimi had significant issues and some mechanical problems during races as well and he did make a few errors in qualifying mainly. He finished 3rd in the championship - not the worst result!

BUt remember Spa in 2008, he passed both Massa and Hamilton. Then of course Massa was given first place by the stewards.

So yes you are right and objective on 2008. Also, in the latter part of 2008 Hamilton began to drive in order to protect his lead - he disclosed this recently when questioned about HIS championship win. So it also flattered Massa.

Kimi IS as good as ever. I like who he is, the way he has always driven is the same - he never had to "learn" f1 as a driver like Massa has had to. This was one of the remarkable things that we saw when he drove Sauber and Peter Sauber saw this.

He happily reminds me a lot of late SuperSwede and I find that so pleasureable - he will tell the engineers what he wants and the goes out and does his best in such a sublime way.

With Massa, there is always a big performance and a discussion and anguish and he has to be encouraged......

Kimi is far and away the better driver than Massa and he WON a world title for Ferrari.

If they do not appreciate him then maybe its time to move to Brawn with its Mercedes backing or back to Mclaren.

Kimi, unlike Alonso or Schumacher is not afraid of having any driver as hsi teammate.

But Ferrari will discover that Alonso demands total focuse and Massa wil discover what it is like to have a top driver as his teammate who considers him a threat just by being there. Psychologically Fernando Alonso is going to crush Felipe Massa if they wind up together.

Up until now, delicate little Felipe has been living in an idyllic teammmate world.

[jas123f1]

There are many people that do not like Kimi because he has ironclad self-esteem. This is a quality I admire a great deal. He is not weak pyschologically as is Massa - the Brazilian needs constant babying by his engineer.

There is a whole body of achievement by Raikkonen while at Mclaren that demonstrates how good he is. The way he won in 2007 was difficult.

And since Massa left he is the highest scoring driver with Barrichello some way behind. The Ferrari team have provided Kimi with proper attention and this is the result.

Too much is made of 2008. Kimi had significant issues and some mechanical problems during races as well and he did make a few errors in qualifying mainly. He finished 3rd in the championship - not the worst result!

BUt remember Spa in 2008, he passed both Massa and Hamilton. Then of course Massa was given first place by the stewards.

So yes you are right and objective on 2008. Also, in the latter part of 2008 Hamilton began to drive in order to protect his lead - he disclosed this recently when questioned about HIS championship win. So it also flattered Massa.

Kimi IS as good as ever. I like who he is, the way he has always driven is the same - he never had to "learn" f1 as a driver like Massa has had to. This was one of the remarkable things that we saw when he drove Sauber and Peter Sauber saw this.

He happily reminds me a lot of late SuperSwede and I find that so pleasureable - he will tell the engineers what he wants and the goes out and does his best in such a sublime way.

With Massa, there is always a big performance and a discussion and anguish and he has to be encouraged......

Kimi is far and away the better driver than Massa and he WON a world title for Ferrari.

If they do not appreciate him then maybe its time to move to Brawn with its Mercedes backing or back to Mclaren.

Kimi, unlike Alonso or Schumacher is not afraid of having any driver as hsi teammate.

But Ferrari will discover that Alonso demands total focuse and Massa wil discover what it is like to have a top driver as his teammate who considers him a threat just by being there. Psychologically Fernando Alonso is going to crush Felipe Massa if they wind up together.

Up until now, delicate little Felipe has been living in an idyllic teammmate world.

Agreed – and I would say also that Kimi has one more quality, he is an honest man and that is what F1 need today more than ever.

I really hope Kimi gets a car so he can take the title 2010 and I hope he goes back to McLaren if Ferrari doesn’t want keep him.

:)

[DexDexter]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/78805

Ferrari still "pondering" over driver choice. Should be pay him zillions of dollars for not driving? :)

[ioan]

And since Massa left he is the highest scoring driver with Barrichello some way behind.

That's exactly what is strange about someone you claim has such a strong self confidence.

[DexDexter]

If I was Kimi i'd just make the decision for them and say I'll go elsewhere. Its obvious they think he's abit of a thorn in the side, so I would be knocking on Mclarens door... :)

Yep and the door will be opened. Sadly a very nice man is going to be left unemployed after that :(

[ioan]

Yep and the door will be opened. Sadly a very nice man is going to be left unemployed after that :(

Who's gonna be unemployed? Heiki? Don't worry for him, I'm sure he'll find a seat with 4 new teams coming next season.

[DexDexter]

Who's gonna be unemployed? Heiki? Don't worry for him, I'm sure he'll find a seat with 4 new teams coming next season.

Let's hope so. Honestly, he is an intelligent, down-to-earth type of guy.

[truefan72]

Let's hope so. Honestly, he is an intelligent, down-to-earth type of guy.

yeah, a decent chap,...but I don't want him at mclaren.

[truefan72]

about kimi,.

I am waiting and hoping that Mclaren sign this guy. I think Hamilton would welcome a strong teammate. Its good for the team as a whole and both drivers will be doing their thing.

As for Ferrari, I simply don't understand their decision making.
Except for the fact that Alonso might have stipulated kimi's departure as a requirement for him coming there.

[I am evil Homer]

Let's hope so. Honestly, he is an intelligent, down-to-earth type of guy.

Shame that doesn't score you points. I also really like Heikki but let's be honest he's in the lower ranks of current F1 drivers. I think he'll get a seat at a new team and hopefully build from there but these last two seasons haven't been great for him no matter how much I cheer him on!

[I am evil Homer]

about kimi,.

I am waiting and hoping that Mclaren sign this guy. I think Hamilton would welcome a strong teammate. Its good for the team as a whole and both drivers will be doing their thing.

As for Ferrari, I simply don't understand their decision making.
Except for the fact that Alonso might have stipulated kimi's departure as a requirement for him coming there.

There's only 2 cars at Ferrari and Massa is in one of them when he returns - and I doubt Alonso is in any position to stipulate who his team mate is regardless.

[jas123f1]

As for Ferrari, I simply don't understand their decision making.
Except for the fact that Alonso might have stipulated kimi's departure as a requirement for him coming there.

The Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo is saying that Felipe deserves an other chance and then we understand that the big money tells the rest.

[truefan72]

The Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo is saying that Felipe deserves an other chance and then we understand that the big money tells the rest.

yeah that comment sounded ridiculous to me. Why would massa deserve another chance and kimi not?
and why would you keep a guy who won;t be racing for half a year, and has won nothing, has a less stable perosnality to be matched with Alonso than a team with 2 WDC's and a driver who is bringing out the best in this 2009 car which will essentially be the same as the 2010 car. By the time we get to the end of 2009 kimi will have successfully dialed up that car to top contender status, and then you show him the door and give him the golden parachute.

put it this way, Kimi is pretty much sought after by every team out there. If massa were to be let go, I doubt that mclaren would offer him the seat, and he wouldn't have that many suitors.

[donKey jote]

As for Ferrari, I simply don't understand their decision making.
Except for the fact that Alonso might have stipulated kimi's departure as a requirement for him coming there.

:laugh:
:dozey:

[jas123f1]

yeah that comment sounded ridiculous to me. Why would massa deserve another chance and kimi not?
and why would you keep a guy who won;t be racing for half a year, and has won nothing, has a less stable perosnality to be matched with Alonso than a team with 2 WDC's and a driver who is bringing out the best in this 2009 car which will essentially be the same as the 2010 car. By the time we get to the end of 2009 kimi will have successfully dialed up that car to top contender status, and then you show him the door and give him the golden parachute.

put it this way, Kimi is pretty much sought after by every team out there. If massa were to be let go, I doubt that mclaren would offer him the seat, and he wouldn't have that many suitors.

That comment sounded ridiculous to me too - did you think i'm the Ferrari boss Luca di Montezemolo who is saying that Felipe deserves an other chance but not Kimi.

:)

[snellman]

kimi in a fast reliable mclaren will drive ferraris pants off

[jas123f1]

kimi in a fast reliable mclaren will drive ferraris pants off

Sure he is - if he has a car to do it :)

[HenryM]

There are many people that do not like Kimi because he has ironclad self-esteem. This is a quality I admire a great deal. He is not weak pyschologically as is Massa - the Brazilian needs constant babying by his engineer.

I don't know, but massa looked psychologically strong reacting after his 2 dnf's in the 2 first races last year, after his engine issue in Hungary, after the team mistake in Singapore, and after losing the title in the last corner, also I think it's positive that he can always learn and improve working with the right people like his engineer




And since Massa left he is the highest scoring driver with Barrichello some way behind. The Ferrari team have provided Kimi with proper attention and this is the result.

so ferrari was not giving proper attention to kimi since 2007?... also you can see in many different ways the better performance of Kimi since hungary



BUt remember Spa in 2008, he passed both Massa and Hamilton. Then of course Massa was given first place by the stewards.

so the real result was Massa 2nd and Kimi 18th.



Kimi is far and away the better driver than Massa and he WON a world title for Ferrari.

the results since 2007 show that they have similar performance.

[ioan]

:laugh:
:dozey:

Well spotted! :D

[keysersoze]

Well spotted! :D

"the fact that" is the most abused expression around. Whenever I see it, I immediately check to see if there was an actual fact in the vicinity. :D

[truefan72]

"the fact that" is the most abused expression around. Whenever I see it, I immediately check to see if there was an actual fact in the vicinity. :D

man you guys are abusing semantics, "except for the fact that" is an expression and does not imply the presence or lack of an actual fact, and that is then followed with might have but of course English may not be either of you guys' native tongue and thus don't understand the intricacies of the language.

lol the jokes on you guys for your naivete. Talk about making a meal out of breadcrumbs.

[Saint Devote]

Agreed – and I would say also that Kimi has one more quality, he is an honest man and that is what F1 need today more than ever.

I really hope Kimi gets a car so he can take the title 2010 and I hope he goes back to McLaren if Ferrari doesn’t want keep him.

:)

Indeed he is honest and never makes excuses.

He is also a champion that really does deserve another title. During his time at Mclaren he lost at least 5 grands prix and definitely 1 title dur to technical problems and the frustration drove him to Ferrari.

I remember Hakkinen before he left Mclaren saying that Kimi was taking a big chance because with Mclaren a driver like Kimi could be assured that he would ultimately win a title. :D

[Saint Devote]

Who's gonna be unemployed? Heiki? Don't worry for him, I'm sure he'll find a seat with 4 new teams coming next season.

I agree with you.

I remember Heiki from his days before f1 as I am sure most do here and he would be a tremendous asset.

Many or most drivers do not adapt well initially to f1, it takes them time and being with Alonso and Hamilton is probably the most difficult.

Alonso is not a willing teammate while Hamilton is a driver like Kimi in that to him, f1 is natural from the start.

[Saint Devote]

kimi in a fast reliable mclaren will drive ferraris pants off

In a quick Mclaren with Hamilton and Raikkonen - they will push each other to limits and it could be a very exciting battle once again between Mclaren teammates.

Prost and Senna without the rancour! Well at least a very lot less!!

As an alternative I would love to see Jenson and Kimi at Brawn together. It would be as good!

[ioan]

man you guys are abusing semantics, "except for the fact that" is an expression and does not imply the presence or lack of an actual fact, and that is then followed with might have but of course English may not be either of you guys' native tongue and thus don't understand the intricacies of the language.

lol the jokes on you guys for your naivete. Talk about making a meal out of breadcrumbs.

Trying to save face? Too late. :laugh:

[donKey jote]

man you guys are abusing semantics, "except for the fact that" is an expression and does not imply the presence or lack of an actual fact, and that is then followed with might have but of course English may not be either of you guys' native tongue and thus don't understand the intricacies of the language.

lol the jokes on you guys for your naivete. Talk about making a meal out of breadcrumbs.

apart from the fact that English is my native tongue....
:laugh:
:dozey:

[truefan72]

Trying to save face? Too late. :laugh:

save face from what? your ignorance or apathy

[truefan72]

apart from the fact that English is my native tongue....
:laugh:
:dozey:


well then its a pretty sad day for the english language when you pull a word from an entire statement out of context and make up nonsense out of it.

but oh well, 99.9% of the others here clearly understood what I said, and you simply can't comprehend it. And then ioan jumps in with is usual all-unknowing power and you both make a perfect comedy duo, rife with smiley faces and what not. So I'll leave you 2 to your bizarro thoughts and move on.

[ioan]

save face from what? your ignorance or apathy

Your poor knowledge of facts and English!

[ioan]

well then its a pretty sad day for the english language when you pull a word from an entire statement out of context and make up nonsense out of it.

but oh well, 99.9% of the others here clearly understood what I said, and you simply can't comprehend it. And then ioan jumps in with is usual all-unknowing power and you both make a perfect comedy duo, rife with smiley faces and what not. So I'll leave you 2 to your bizarro thoughts and move on.

Man you made a mistake, it was pointed out by others that's all. Be a man and take it on the chin instead of hiding behind an overinflated ego.

[Knock-on]

Let's hope so. Honestly, he is an intelligent, down-to-earth type of guy.

I don't think you will find many to disagree with you. In fact, if he could just raise his game a bit, he would have a long career there.

Who knows, he has a few more races left.

As it stands, if Kimi wants to return then I am sure there is a seat at McLaren which would be my 2nd favourite pairing and I am sure a winning one.

[gloomyDAY]

If Mark were to retire this season Kimi might have taken a look at Red Bull. Kimi loves those fizzy drinks (as do I :) ) and he would make an excellent partner for Vettel. Maybe in 2011?

[Ranger]

If Mark were to retire this season Kimi might have taken a look at Red Bull. Kimi loves those fizzy drinks (as do I :) ) and he would make an excellent partner for Vettel. Maybe in 2011?

Don't you think Kimi has been frustrated enough by Newey's cars?

[F1boat]

Don't you think Kimi has been frustrated enough by Newey's cars?

haha, you are right!

[Saint Devote]

Don't you think Kimi has been frustrated enough by Newey's cars?

If that were the case then Brawn is an excellent option for Raikkonen :D

[Dzeidzei]

If that were the case then Brawn is an excellent option for Raikkonen :D

According to Bild Santander is willing to pay Kimis 25M€ salary at McLaren. That plus compensating for for braking the Ferrari contract amount to... dunno, 60M€?

They really do want Fred wearing red.

If McL ends up beating Ferrari next year, you´ll see a new Kimi. You cannot wipe the smile of his face. And somehow I have a feeling things wont be just as rosy in Maranello.

[F1boat]

Maybe it will be like this:
Brawn GP
Jenson and Nico
Ferrari
Fred and Felipe
McLaren
Kimi and Lewis
Williams
Rubens and Hulk
Renault
Kubica and Romain?

[harsha]

Jensen and Nico would be great both for Brawn and for Mercedes who want the german onboard seeing as Kimi could probably return to Mclaren...

the reverse could be easily possible too

I'm interested in seeing where Heidfeld stays.....

[seppefan]

As long as Kimi is on the grid. I just love his attitude and obvious disdain of all the sycophantic, political, vain, money grabbing hangers on in the paddock and wow can he drive. It is what he does not say and the fact that he is a petrol head which makes me pay attention. Would not want to be his team manager though.

[DexDexter]

According to Bild Santander is willing to pay Kimis 25M€ salary at McLaren. That plus compensating for for braking the Ferrari contract amount to... dunno, 60M€?

They really do want Fred wearing red.

If McL ends up beating Ferrari next year, you´ll see a new Kimi. You cannot wipe the smile of his face. And somehow I have a feeling things wont be just as rosy in Maranello.

I agree, I think Ferrari may well be on a downward spiral, I don't think the new management is up to the task.

[ioan]

If McL ends up beating Ferrari next year, you´ll see a new Kimi. You cannot wipe the smile of his face. And somehow I have a feeling things wont be just as rosy in Maranello.

Wishful thinking.

[truefan72]

Maybe it will be like this:
Brawn GP
Jenson and Nico
Ferrari
Fred and Felipe
McLaren
Kimi and Lewis
Williams
Rubens and Hulk
Renault
Kubica and Romain?


now that seems very likely,
I think Rubens is gone from Brawn even if he wins thee WDC..if he does I would ove for him to retire on top. If he doesn't, he certainly looks like he has one good year left in him.

[truefan72]

According to Bild Santander is willing to pay Kimis 25M€ salary at McLaren. That plus compensating for for braking the Ferrari contract amount to... dunno, 60M€?

They really do want Fred wearing red.

If McL ends up beating Ferrari next year, you´ll see a new Kimi. You cannot wipe the smile of his face. And somehow I have a feeling things wont be just as rosy in Maranello.

hmm how can Santander justify such an unnecessary expense to their stockholders and customers, then probably turn around and deny loans, etc because "the economy is tight"

i can understand sponsorship, but an extra 25mill cash outlay seems very unnecessary. Is Alonso will have to be shaking hands at the door of every branch for the next 5 yrs to justify such a cash outlay.

[jens]

Maybe it will be like this:
Brawn GP
Jenson and Nico
Ferrari
Fred and Felipe
McLaren
Kimi and Lewis
Williams
Rubens and Hulk
Renault
Kubica and Romain?

That would be my prediction at the moment as well. In addition Heidfeld and someone else (Klien?) will race for Qadbak. Force India would likely continue with both current drivers (can they attract a top-line driver or not?).

[Dzeidzei]

Wishful thinking.

Nopes. More like speculation.... see the "if".

[Dzeidzei]

hmm how can Santander justify such an unnecessary expense to their stockholders and customers, then probably turn around and deny loans, etc because "the economy is tight"

i can understand sponsorship, but an extra 25mill cash outlay seems very unnecessary. Is Alonso will have to be shaking hands at the door of every branch for the next 5 yrs to justify such a cash outlay.

Well, according to their latest figures:
"Attributable profit was EUR 2,423 million in the second quarter". Seems like banking is still quite profitable.

I guess they could buy Alonso a seat in every car. 100M for a team... 14 teams... isnt that 1,4 billion? Im sure that would include paying of the broken contracts.

[Saint Devote]

Maybe it will be like this:
Brawn GP
Jenson and Nico
Ferrari
Fred and Felipe
McLaren
Kimi and Lewis
Williams
Rubens and Hulk
Renault
Kubica and Romain?

I doubt Brawn will want Rosberg - he is overrated as demonstrated at Marina Bay today. But you could be correct if Mercedes support him.

If Rubens leaves Brawn I think he will become the number 1 driver at US F1. He is an invaluable asset for a new team and potentially at that team could sign for three years. Peter Windsor is great fan of the Brazilian.

Williams - Kubica and Hulkenberg if they get Mercedes engines. Without Flavio especailly but ALSO Alonso, Renault is in nowhere land so Kubica will not want that.

[Saint Devote]

You might be right there, plus 2 equal team mates next year with one not so keen on the idea, is asking for trouble IMO...

I bet Kimi is secretly glad to be getting out while he can... :)

Historically many drivers are happy to leave Ferrari in the end.

I can name four top drivers without even trying!

But Kimi I do not know. He does not let a situation get to him.

I think it could be a requirement of Alonso that they retain a weaker driver. Neither Schumacher or Alonso are drivers that are comfortable with teammates that will not obey.

And with team orders forbidden, having Kimi in the team would definitely result in a bad situation created by a petulant Alonso.

[Dzeidzei]

I think it could be a requirement of Alonso that they retain a weaker driver. Neither Schumacher or Alonso are drivers that are comfortable with teammates that will not obey.

And with team orders forbidden, having Kimi in the team would definitely result in a bad situation created by a petulant Alonso.

You seem to imply that Alonso will walk over Felipe. I seriously doubt that. I think they will be equally matched and that will drive Fernando crazy. He will turn into his tactics and who knows how Felipe will cope with that.

[F1boat]

I doubt Brawn will want Rosberg - he is overrated as demonstrated at Marina Bay today. But you could be correct if Mercedes support him.

If Rubens leaves Brawn I think he will become the number 1 driver at US F1. He is an invaluable asset for a new team and potentially at that team could sign for three years. Peter Windsor is great fan of the Brazilian.

Williams - Kubica and Hulkenberg if they get Mercedes engines. Without Flavio especailly but ALSO Alonso, Renault is in nowhere land so Kubica will not want that.

St. Devote, the rumors point that RK signed with Renault.

[F1boat]

I agree, theres going to be alot of races where Felipe is going to be dominant like Bahrain and Turkey for example. FA is going to have to get used to that and the fact the team are close with FM. He's not going in with the mindset that he is calling the shots this time.. Well hopefully.. :)

IMO there will be races in which Felipe will win and others, in which Fred will win. But when Fred is beaten, he will be always second or third. When Felipe loses, I am not so sure.

[jens]

I personally think at least on forums Kimi vs Lewis at McLaren could become a more serious topic than FA/FM in Ferrari. LH and KR have the biggest fanbases in the world and this will create fireworks. :p :

Unfortunately for Hamilton - if he ends up on top, a lot of people will inevitably start accusing "Team Hamilton" in favouring their driver...

[seppefan]

from whitmarsh's face on tv today it would seem Kimi is off the Mclaren.

[jas123f1]

You seem to imply that Alonso will walk over Felipe. I seriously doubt that. I think they will be equally matched and that will drive Fernando crazy. He will turn into his tactics and who knows how Felipe will cope with that.

Now when it looks more and more like that Kimi really is going to McLaren and Alonso to Ferrari then there will be "2 teams" at Ferrari - Alonso/Fisi and Felipe/Schumi. I think that was the reason why Fisi was offered the 3rd driver seat.

Now we also can see how important it is that drivers doesn’t speak b*** s*** of their team when they leave and move to another team. I’m sure that most of the people at McLaren remember the time with Kimi as something positive and can therefore start to work with him again without problems, if he goes there – which I think.. :)

[truefan72]

i think Kimi's future was set this weekend with Ferrari twelling him about Alonso and he probably securing his deal with Mclaren, so the first two domino's ghave fallen. What remains to be seen is how much money he will be getting in his golden parachute. As I hear it from the rumor mill, Ferrari are trying to withold some of the amount via technicalities and could even see kimi "fired" before the end of the season.

Rosberg is the biggest loser in all of this and I think would be best served by staying at Williams, especially if they are able to secure Mercedes engines for next year ( which always seemed more likely to me than RBR getting them)

so if i think Williams next year is rosberg and Hulkenberg
I can see Nakajima joining Glock at Toyota (IMO he has done enough to retain an F1 seat)

Kubica and Grosjean in Renault
Heidfeld and Klien at Sauber
Brawn, Red bull stays the same
STR stays the same ( maybe Loeb gets a rideshare deal with Alg or he gets farmed out to a new team)

[keysersoze]

I doubt Brawn will want Rosberg - he is overrated as demonstrated at Marina Bay today.

The Rosberg I saw this weekend had a monster lap during Q2 in a car that is CLEARLY inferior to the Brawns. How is that overrated? Sure, he made a mistake exiting the pits today but he'd been on a very steady points-scoring streak

[Saint Devote]

You seem to imply that Alonso will walk over Felipe. I seriously doubt that. I think they will be equally matched and that will drive Fernando crazy. He will turn into his tactics and who knows how Felipe will cope with that.

First, nobody knows how the accident has affected Massa - and Ferrari are taking a risk that I doubt Enzo Ferrari would have.

I think Alonso will wreck Massa psychologically - he is a fragile - but if he even looks a threat he will be out the next season.

But I cannot imagine that this time Alonso has not signed a contract that does not have a "Michael Schumacher clause" in it and, Massa has agreed. Additonally, the chances of seeing Schumacher in a Ferrari are now totallty dead.

I also think that Kimi is gone not because Massa is being favored but because Alonso probably stipulated that like Schumacher HE will be consulted always on other drivers.

Alonso is on a march to try and lockdown this Ferrari team as did the great Schumacher. That is what this is all about in my judgement.

The only competition that Alonso has in his view is Schumacher's records - that is his goal. He already won a double championship with Briatore - beating Schumacher - now for the rest!

Problem is that if Hamilton and Kimi are in competitive Mclaren's then his task will be even harder than Schumacher EVER had it - but then Alonso is the Schumacher beater of 2006.

Enthralling battles in f1 lie ahead. Unlike the Schumacher Ferrari days this could well turn out to be similar to the classic days of the 80's and 90's. There were five drivers at a time that were competive rather than one and the cars cannot be "boutiqued" as they were for Schumacher.

And battles will not be engineered as they have been because there will be no fuel stops. I think we culd see race long duels as we saw between Hamilton and Vettel today. Excellent!

[Boudica]

i think Kimi's future was set this weekend with Ferrari twelling him about Alonso and he probably securing his deal with Mclaren, so the first two domino's ghave fallen. What remains to be seen is how much money he will be getting in his golden parachute. As I hear it from the rumor mill, Ferrari are trying to withold some of the amount via technicalities and could even see kimi "fired" before the end of the season.


It seems more like the Robertsons where holding out to get better payout from Ferrari or Santander. The rumour is that Ferrari will have to pay Kimi's salary next year plus they will have to pay a bonus for every win he gets (as if he was driving for Ferrari). I think part of reason why the situation has been difficult, is because they cant just fire Kimi, according to the word around he has met his performance agreements set out in his contract. But who knows perhaps that is not what has been going on. But surely Ferrari cant really "fire" Kimi before the end of the season. Who will drive for them Fisi and Badoer?

[Boudica]

from whitmarsh's face on tv today it would seem Kimi is off the Mclaren.

http://www.viddler.com/explore/juniperberry/videos/60/

[F1boat]

The Rosberg I saw this weekend had a monster lap during Q2 in a car that is CLEARLY inferior to the Brawns. How is that overrated? Sure, he made a mistake exiting the pits today but he'd been on a very steady points-scoring streak

Williams were better in their setup preparations than Brawn GP in Singapore, so that lap means nothing. In the race Nico finished between both Brawn GP drivers - yes, because of one mistake, but you were quoting one lap. Still, it'll be interesting to see battle between Jenson and Nico...

[harsha]

It seems more like the Robertsons where holding out to get better payout from Ferrari or Santander. The rumour is that Ferrari will have to pay Kimi's salary next year plus they will have to pay a bonus for every win he gets (as if he was driving for Ferrari). I think part of reason why the situation has been difficult, is because they cant just fire Kimi, according to the word around he has met his performance agreements set out in his contract. But who knows perhaps that is not what has been going on. But surely Ferrari cant really "fire" Kimi before the end of the season. Who will drive for them Fisi and Badoer?

it would be great if we had Kimi and Alonso in the same team but I doubt that

1 - Massa would be dropped as Ferrari are very sentimental about that guy
2 - Alonso would never agree to share equal no 1 status with anyone.

[pino]

it would be great if we had Kimi and Alonso in the same team but I doubt that



I totally agree, Massa is a nice person and a good driver but I don't think is as good as Kimi.

[Dzeidzei]

I think Ferrari are making a big mistake letting Kimi go after the wealth of experience he has driving this years car. We've seen from Luca and Fisi how hard it is to simply step into the car and do well. In effect they'll start next season with 2 drivers with little experience with their current setup, and they seem to be investing in instant success with FA, which is a gamble IMO..

Well, seeing that Whitmarsh interview on BBC it looks pretty obvious that Kimi is heading for McL. That´ll be a thrill to watch for both LH and KR fans.

Regarding Fernando, just forget that "0.6 secs man" bull. If Felipe is fit (both physically and mentally) he´ll give FA a very hard time. And I dont think FA will like that.

However, I dont think he´s able to put a clause in his contract that he dictates the 2nd driver. Those days are over.

And its Santander calling the shots anyway :)

[leopard]

I think you are right mate... Felipe is no slouch and Alonso is going to have difficulty dealing with his pace IMO... They are both emotional characters too, so it'll be interesting to watch :)
Driving an inferior car is stressful, being on the 3rd podium just told you that besides emotional character, racing need high endure against pressure, enough maturity of demeanor fashion of patience. :)

[Giuseppe F1]

Watch this vid from 2 minutes, 11 seconds:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMf9HPaQ5YE&feature=channel

:)

[donKey jote]

They are both emotional characters too, so it'll be interesting to watch :)
T5FGkjh6j7U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5FGkjh6j7U

[jens]

Awesome video, shows a side most fans don't seem to realise is there. Especially his harshest critics... :)

Yeah, behind the scenes he seems to be smiling a lot more. ;) In front of media it looks like there is always some kind of a mask! :p :

[wedge]

Well, seeing that Whitmarsh interview on BBC it looks pretty obvious that Kimi is heading for McL. That´ll be a thrill to watch for both LH and KR fans.

I definitely want to play poker with Martin Whitmarsh!

[raikk]

I would be so happy if Kimi came back to Mclaren.. But you could bet your boots that Hamilton will have 1A driver status..

Hamilton-Raikkonen or Hamilton-Rosberg.. Both look pretty good to me..

[raikk]

Interesting read written by DC himself..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/6240540/Kimi-Raikkonens-McLaren-return-could-be-making-of-Lewis-Hamilton.html

[DexDexter]

I would be so happy if Kimi came back to Mclaren.. But you could bet your boots that Hamilton will have 1A driver status..

Hamilton-Raikkonen or Hamilton-Rosberg.. Both look pretty good to me..

I don't see any reason why the team would prefer Hamilton, Kimi spent five years with them and has unfinished business there. When he came there, he was just a kid, and the way he is, I don't think he is in bad terms with them. I know Heikki's treatment hasn't been equal but that is mainly because he hasn't delivered.

[Knock-on]

Interesting read written by DC himself..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/6240540/Kimi-Raikkonens-McLaren-return-could-be-making-of-Lewis-Hamilton.html

DC has hit it on the nail again. He has expressed my view better than I could.

HK isn't doing the job and is #2 because he just isn't quick enough. DC never got to be #1 for the same reason and not because there was a deliberate #1 / #2 policy. It's just that the driver that comes out on top is the #1.

With Lewis and Kimi, it will be the same but I think DC may be doing Kimi a bit of a dis-service if he thinks he's not going to be fired up next year. I think Kimi will be rather galvanised by his treatment ;)

[Knock-on]

So, now Alonso has signed, how long befor Kimi is confirmed at McLaren (fingers crossed).

[gloomyDAY]

So, now Alonso has signed, how long befor Kimi is confirmed at McLaren (fingers crossed).Ham and Kim.

Sounds like a delicacy, umm, and a good racing duo too!

[Garry Walker]

Hopefully he will find himself at McLaren and embarrasses Ferrari and that prick Montezumas revenge a lot.

[Steve2009]

“With common consent, we have agreed to terminate the contract binding me to Ferrari to the end of 2010, one year ahead of schedule,” said the Finn. “I am very sad to be leaving a team with which I have spent three fantastic years, during which time I won plenty of races.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/9/10016.html

Ba Bye :burnout: :grenade:

[SGWilko]

Trouble is, of course, who was the last driver to be 'sacked' from Ferrari?

Not very appealing on your CV that your contrcat was terminated early, is it?

Oh well, worse things happen at sea, I mean, just look at the Kirsk.....

[Dave B]

If he does indeed go to McLaren it would be the second time that Hamilton has been truly tested against a strong team mate. We know what happened last time, can he go one better?

[Knock-on]

I shouldn't think Kimi is too worried about his CV ;)

[Knock-on]

If he does indeed go to McLaren it would be the second time that Hamilton has been truly tested against a strong team mate. We know what happened last time, can he go one better?

If Kimi does go, it will mean Lewis has been partnered with the 2 other best drivers out there. One that beat Schumacher and one that replaced him.

I can't wait :D

[Firstgear]

Interesting read written by DC himself..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/6240540/Kimi-Raikkonens-McLaren-return-could-be-making-of-Lewis-Hamilton.html
If DC is correct, I see Kimi being very happy at Mac.
He'll let the younger, hungrier Hamilton do the testing & development work, then he'll show up for the race weekend and GO. Probably means he'll come second to Hamilton, but probably a sacrafice he's willing to make to live the life he wants to. Much like a few years ago when Montoya went to Nascar: less pressure & spotlight, but gets to be with family & live life much happier.

[SGWilko]

live the life he wants to.

Well, aren't Diageo a McLaren sponsor? :D

[woody2goody]

If DC is correct, I see Kimi being very happy at Mac.
He'll let the younger, hungrier Hamilton do the testing & development work, then he'll show up for the race weekend and GO. Probably means he'll come second to Hamilton, but probably a sacrafice he's willing to make to live the life he wants to. Much like a few years ago when Montoya went to Nascar: less pressure & spotlight, but gets to be with family & live life much happier.

Not sure if even Kimi will be happy with cruising along behind Hamilton. if he goes, he'll want to win.

Hamilton v Raikkonen will be something to behold though, along with Alonso v Massa :)

[Firstgear]

Not sure if even Kimi will be happy with cruising along behind Hamilton. if he goes, he'll want to win.

Of course he wants to win, they all want to win. I just think Kimi won't be willing to make all the sacrifices to make it happen. imo Kimi would rather just run with his talent. He's got LOADS of talent, but that only gets you so far. To get/stay on the top step, you need to make sacrifices as well.

[F1boat]

He's got LOADS of talent, but that only gets you so far.

2007 Driver's World Champion
2003 and 2005 Runner up
18 Formula One Grand Prix Wins

[Firstgear]

2007 Driver's World Champion
2003 and 2005 Runner up
18 Formula One Grand Prix Wins
I think that list would be longer if Kimi was as ruthless and hard working as MS. MS threw morals out the window, and probably couldn't point out his kids in the school class photo during his years at Ferrari. I don't think Kimi is like that. He's smart enough to know that there's more to life than F1 24/7.

[rabf1]

"He's smart enough to know that there's more to life than F1 24/7"

Yes, theres vodka and women, in that order of importance.

[Dzeidzei]

"He's smart enough to know that there's more to life than F1 24/7"

Yes, theres vodka and women, in that order of importance.

Its funny how people who dont know sh!t like to think they know him. Ive seen him with his friends close to our summer place and he´s just like the rest of the guys. He just happens to be Kimi.

No offense, Rab :)

[harsha]

since it seems that Kimi seems to shine in alternate years...2009 could well turn out to be his year :D

[rabf1]

It was a joke. Lighten up francis.

[Dzeidzei]

It was a joke. Lighten up francis.

Okay, sorry. But how can you tell when so many here seriously question his morals?

What a season 2010 promises to be!

[Firstgear]

he´s just like the rest of the guys.

Sounds like you are saying that rabf1 is pretty much on the money, except maybe on the order of importance. :D

[keysersoze]

It was a joke. Lighten up francis.

Name's Francis Sawyer, but everybody calls me PSYCHO! :D

[Viv]

since it seems that Kimi seems to shine in alternate years...2009 could well turn out to be his year :D

His year? of coming back to McLaren? :-D

[jas123f1]

I think that list would be longer if Kimi was as ruthless and hard working as MS. MS threw morals out the window, and probably couldn't point out his kids in the school class photo during his years at Ferrari. I don't think Kimi is like that. He's smart enough to know that there's more to life than F1 24/7.

It's longer :)

Since 2002:
61 podiums from which
18 Grand Prix Wins
20 second place and
23 3rd places

2007 Driver's World Champion
2003 and 2005 Runner Up
2008 in 3rd place ..

Ok you are maybe thinking that the list however would be a bit longer - but i think that's a very good result and as we know and shouldn't forget that much is depending how good the car is..

Kimi retired
2002 10 times
2003 3 times /Runner Up
2004 8 times
2005 2 times /Runner Up
2006 6 times
2007 2 times /Driver's World Champion
2008 2 times /3rd in Driver's World Championship
2009 2 times and we all know how "good" the car is this this year - lack of down force is big disadvantage in some tracks ...
--

And I'm sure - if Kimi go back to McLaren 2010 then the list will be even longer.

:)

[Firstgear]

And I'm sure - if Kimi go back to McLaren 2010 then the list will be even longer.

:)

:up: I hope you're right.

[jas123f1]

Kimi does seem to have developed this ... Probably due to the fact that he's Finnish... Why haven't Hamilton and Button been labelled as bitter drinking lads intent on smashing up a Spanish holiday resort, because the're British I wonder... :p

If Kimi goes back to McLaren - i think he will take the title ones more..

And yes, some of us love to speak b*** s*** of Kimi like that "he is a vodka swigging party animal in a stereotypical form Finland" - but if it's true then it's very easy take the title in F1 - isn't it .. even "a vodka swigging party animal" can be a Champion in F1.. :) ..

And what it says of the other drivers?

:)

[donKey jote]

If he does indeed go to McLaren it would be the second time that Hamilton has been truly tested against a strong team mate. We know what happened last time, can he go one better?

Last time he handed the WDC and WCC to Ferrari, how can he go better than that ? ;) :p : :laugh: :D

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

[Steve2009]

Last time he handed the WDC and WCC to Ferrari, how can he go better than that ?

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gifSkyBet has installed Alonso as 7/2 favourite to win the 2010 world championship! :uhoh: :p : :burnout:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/09/alonso-speaks-about-his-ferrari-move/

[DexDexter]

Keke Rosberg thinks Kimi will go to Mclaren, and usually Keke is well-informed. Using his own words (from the past): "It's difficult to guess when you know." :)


http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2009/09/965217

[jens]

Well, it certainly isn't nice, how Ferrari has treated Räikkönen, making a mess with its contracts in the first place by hiring too many top drivers at once. But I don't think Kimi is downbeat about that, because he can jump into another top team straightaway.

[DexDexter]

Well, it certainly isn't nice, how Ferrari has treated Räikkönen, making a mess with its contracts in the first place by hiring too many top drivers at once. But I don't think Kimi is downbeat about that, because he can jump into another top team straightaway.

Kimi never ever criticised the team, and this is how they humiliate him. Absolutely no respect for the man and his achievements. Just like Prost in 91. :(

[Steve2009]

Kimi never ever criticised the team, and this is how they humiliate him. Absolutely no respect for the man and his achievements. Just like Prost in 91. :( As I happy as I am as a Ferrari Fan getting ahold of FA.
I have to agree. Kimi was a good soldier for the Scuderia.
I've never liked the way LdM manages to screw up their f1 operation.
The positive is;
Kimi is still a hot commodity. I think it will be great if he goes to McLaren.
It will be very revealing to see how he stacks up against LH.

[truefan72]

Keke Rosberg thinks Kimi will go to Mclaren, and usually Keke is well-informed. Using his own words (from the past): "It's difficult to guess when you know." :)


http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2009/09/965217


that is a genius quote LOL

I've not heard that one before. but very good :up:

[Saint Devote]

Kimi never ever criticised the team, and this is how they humiliate him. Absolutely no respect for the man and his achievements. Just like Prost in 91. :(

Humiliate? No. Raikkonen has iron-clad self-esteem. The views or opinions of him, or their actions are not something Iceman cares or pays attention to - and it is this great character strength that the weak people dislike him for.

Ferrari? It is they that are losing and surely the central reason that Kimi decided to demonstrate over the past few weeks just what he can do and what the team are sacrificing.

The performance of the Ferrari, since Hungary, including that most brilliant Spa win was not the F60. It was Kimi taking the car by the scruff of the neck and doing what he wanted to.

The team where Raikkonen belongs has always been Mclaren. He always performed well there and it was the car during his years that caused him to lose at least one championship 2005 and easily half a dozen grand prix.

I think Lewis and Kimi are going to get along fine. Hamilton has matured but he does not have the self-assuredness of Kimi.

Raikkonen is a teammate that will not interfere with his teammate and wil do whatever is required as far as interaction is concerned. Other than that he will concentrate on himself and race well with a team, a new team managed by Whitmarsh, that will see to it that no driver is a favorite - they know what they are getting with Kimi and they remember the Alonso histrionics too well.

[ShiftingGears]

Kimi never ever criticised the team, and this is how they humiliate him. Absolutely no respect for the man and his achievements. Just like Prost in 91. :(

Same story - no Todt.

I hope Raikkonen wins the championship next year.

[F1boat]

Same story - no Todt.

I hope Raikkonen wins the championship next year.

Same here. Either that or Brawn supremacy again :-)

[Dzeidzei]

According to news in the Finnish media El Pais has reported that it´ll cost Santander 45 Meuros to get rid of Kimi. 30M for his 2010 salary + 15M to to compensate for breakng the contract.

El Pais also tells that McL will pay Kimi another 20M, which will also come from Santanders pocket.

Dunno if the sums are true (please some Spanish fan check this), but if they are there are 2 enormous winners in this deal. Kimi of course, but also McL who will get a wdc driver for free.

Talk about a steal...

[RJL25]

Sorry Kimi fans but Kimi and Kimi alone is to blame for his Ferrari demise. Why the hell was he beaten so comprehensively by Massa? And don't say it was all a conspiracy because they hired Kimi to be the team leader so why would they then favour someone else.

Kimi only performs when Kimi feels like it, thats why Ferrari have cast him aside.

[ioan]

Finally it's done.
I wont have to put up with some of the Kimi fanatics in the Ferrari fan threads anymore. :D

PS: He has a few very knowledgeable fans that I learned to appreciate, but they are very few. :)

[DexDexter]

Sorry Kimi fans but Kimi and Kimi alone is to blame for his Ferrari demise. Why the hell was he beaten so comprehensively by Massa? And don't say it was all a conspiracy because they hired Kimi to be the team leader so why would they then favour someone else.

Kimi only performs when Kimi feels like it, thats why Ferrari have cast him aside.

Kimi was not beaten comprehensively by Massa if you look at scored points per finished race, qualifying positions, WDC's. They were very very equal for the last three years according to statistics.

[DexDexter]

Finally it's done.
I wont have to put up with some of the Kimi fanatics in the Ferrari fan threads anymore. :D

PS: He has a few very knowledgeable fans that I learned to appreciate, but they are very few. :)

Next year is going to be interesting, for me at least. I have to forget about Heikki's treatment and start cheering for Mclaren again, on the other hand I will be supporting a certain currently injured Brasilian in a red car. It's not going to be easy. :rolleyes: Fred isn't the most popular man around here by the way.

[woody2goody]

Next year is going to be interesting, for me at least. I have to forget about Heikki's treatment and start cheering for Mclaren again, on the other hand I will be supporting a certain currently injured Brasilian in a red car. It's not going to be easy. :rolleyes: Fred isn't the most popular man around here by the way.

Heikki's treatment???

I'll be supporting Massa too, and Alonso too for that matter.

[DexDexter]

Heikki's treatment???

I'll be supporting Massa too, and Alonso too for that matter.

Fact 1: Heikki has been slow, no doubt about it.
Fact 2: Heikki has been forced to qualify heavy on most races.
Fact 3: Heikki has got updates later than Hamilton. (Nurburgring a good example)

I believe, and hope, Kimi will be treated in a more equal way which means getting the updates at the same time.

[woody2goody]

Fact 1: Heikki has been slow, no doubt about it.
Fact 2: Heikki has been forced to qualify heavy on most races.
Fact 3: Heikki has got updates later than Hamilton. (Nurburgring a good example)

I believe, and hope, Kimi will be treated in a more equal way which means getting the updates at the same time.

I'm not being nasty here, because I like Heikki, but he hasn't always made the best of good grid positions.

I think point 3 is a little harsh, because IMO if they don't have enough new parts for both drivers then they should leave them at home, but regardless, Hamilton has been faster.

However Kovy has still got a decent points total this year.

[F1boat]

Sorry Kimi fans but Kimi and Kimi alone is to blame for his Ferrari demise. Why the hell was he beaten so comprehensively by Massa?

Uh? WDC: Kimi - 1, Massa - 0.

[Sonic]

Kimi has always struck me as a driver who would retire early; so although McLaren is the obvious (only) option for a competetive ride next season there is still a chance he won't have the motivation to return to the team and try to re-establish himself at team McHamilton when he was once clear number one.

We shall see.

[Dzeidzei]

Finally it's done.
I wont have to put up with some of the Kimi fanatics in the Ferrari fan threads anymore. :D

PS: He has a few very knowledgeable fans that I learned to appreciate, but they are very few. :)

And you can stop bashing Kimi now as a Ferrari driver and start hating him as a McL drive again. Makes life so much simpler, doesnt it? :)

[Sonic]

Kimi has always struck me as a driver who would retire early; so although McLaren is the obvious (only) option for a competetive ride next season there is still a chance he won't have the motivation to return to the team and try to re-establish himself at team McHamilton when he was once clear number one.

We shall see.

Ok thats freaky. Having posted this two minutes ago, I just looked on Autosport and spotted this;

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082


"For the moment, I haven't decided what I want to do next, whether I want to continue racing or not. I had a contract for next year, but now I don't, so that changes things. So maybe I race, maybe I do not."

[F1boat]

Kimi has always struck me as a driver who would retire early; so although McLaren is the obvious (only) option for a competetive ride next season there is still a chance he won't have the motivation to return to the team and try to re-establish himself at team McHamilton when he was once clear number one.

We shall see.

It will be very sad if he retires. He can at least try more rallying or Le Mans, not just retire after such insulting treatment from Ferrari :(

[Shalafi]

He won't retire... here is quite a lengthy interview today from Kimi, where he gives some info why his Ferrari-career ended and what he will do next. :)

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/f1/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/f1/2009/10/965589

Its in finnish, of course. ;)

[F1boat]

Please, can you make a summary of the interview?

[555-04Q2]

And you can stop bashing Kimi now as a Ferrari driver and start hating him as a McL drive again. Makes life so much simpler, doesnt it? :)

No, some of us are just happy that we will be seeing the back of him. Dont let the door...

[Knock-on]

Uh? WDC: Kimi - 1, Massa - 0.

Apparently WDC titles don't matter these daya because crap drivers win them while more deserving drivers come second ;)

[F1boat]

No, some of us are just happy that we will be seeing the back of him. Dont let the door...

We'll see, maybe you'll see the back of his car very often next year.

[555-04Q2]

We'll see, maybe you'll see the back of his car very often next year.

How? I dont drive in F1 :p :

[F1boat]

How? I dont drive in F1 :p :

We have lovely onboards in these days :)

[Knock-on]

Yeah I hope Ferrari shout "Good riddance you one time drivers champion, double constructors contributing loser!!".... :D

:laugh:

I can't tell you how much I want him to come back to McLaren and for them to spank Ferrari next year. Can you imagine the bile and excuses that would follow :D

[F1boat]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082 - :(

[Shalafi]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79082 - :(

That is "old" interview. And not even Kimis words but his management staff. Some things in that "interview" are true of course. This is the summary of what you asked from Kimis interview today in MTV 3:

He said that in the press there has been a false speculation for the reasons of his departure from Ferrari. It had nothing to do with his driving or his doings in Ferrari or his free time. He didn’t say it straight but the reason seemed to be Santander and its desire to get Alonso there.

He is also sure that he will get a good seat for next year. McLaren is strongest option but there is more choices also. Most important thing for him is to be in team capable of fighting for the championship. And the same applies to his possible rally-career in the future. Winning races and championships is what motivates him.

There are also many things that have to “click”, before he makes a contract with anyone. He also said that he has known quite a while that this is his last year in Ferrari.

[Steve2009]

Yeah I hope Ferrari shout "Good riddance you one time drivers champion, double constructors contributing loser!!".... :D Naturally the media were hoping for some criticisms of Raikkonen, but equally naturally, there were none. “You will never hear me saying anything negative about Kimi, never,” emphasised Domenicali. “Because he is a great champion and he is part of Ferrari’s history, having won the Drivers’ world title with us, achieving his ambition with us, so Kimi is part of our team. Kimi is fantastic"

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/091001_F1_Domenicali.aspx




I can't tell you how much I want him to come back to McLaren and for them to spank Ferrari next year. Can you imagine the bile and excuses that would follow I think it's just about as likely to happen at McLaren. :erm:

[F1boat]

That is "old" interview. And not even Kimis words but his management staff. Some things in that "interview" are true of course. This is the summary of what you asked from Kimis interview today in MTV 3:

He said that in the press there has been a false speculation for the reasons of his departure from Ferrari. It had nothing to do with his driving or his doings in Ferrari or his free time. He didn’t say it straight but the reason seemed to be Santander and its desire to get Alonso there.

He is also sure that he will get a good seat for next year. McLaren is strongest option but there is more choices also. Most important thing for him is to be in team capable of fighting for the championship. And the same applies to his possible rally-career in the future. Winning races and championships is what motivates him.

There are also many things that have to “click”, before he makes a contract with anyone. He also said that he has known quite a while that this is his last year in Ferrari.

I hope that you are right. On Monday, I wondered about something. Martin Whitmarsh suddenly started to praise Jenson Button very much. I wonder, whether McLaren and Brawn GP can swap their drivers? Button IMO can be solid number two to Lewis, while Kimi can go to Brawn GP?

[wedge]

:laugh:

I can't tell you how much I want him to come back to McLaren and for them to spank Ferrari next year. Can you imagine the bile and excuses that would follow :D

I'd say it was better the other way round and I don't think he would enjoy it as much. He could do what he liked at Ferrari.

[Hawkmoon]

It will be very sad if he retires. He can at least try more rallying or Le Mans, not just retire after such insulting treatment from Ferrari :(

Insulting how? They paid the man more than any other driver over the last 3 years. They let him go because he underperformed for most of the last 2 years. I like Raikkonen but there were too many times that he seemed to cruise through a race, particularly in 2008.

[Steve2009]

Yeah I know mate, I was just poking fun at some of the so called Ferrari fans on here that could not maintain that level of professionalism, and were keen to rubbish Kimi's acheivements at Ferrari now he is "out the door" so to speak. Not generalising everyone just a few... :) Yes It's not any fun if you can't get a good trash talk quote, or sound bite ;)

[snellman]

the only driver that could stand LH is kimi, he just don't care. All the other drivers have the emotions on the outside and will start a open fight and that will rip the team apart.

[F1boat]

Insulting how? They paid the man more than any other driver over the last 3 years. They let him go because he underperformed for most of the last 2 years. I like Raikkonen but there were too many times that he seemed to cruise through a race, particularly in 2008.

Only in the middle of 2008.

[DexDexter]

No, some of us are just happy that we will be seeing the back of him. Dont let the door...

"Yep, get out, you only won one WDC out of a possible two!You are such a bad driver that we'll give you 40 million euros if you go. :) "

[AndyL]

I hope that you are right. On Monday, I wondered about something. Martin Whitmarsh suddenly started to praise Jenson Button very much. I wonder, whether McLaren and Brawn GP can swap their drivers? Button IMO can be solid number two to Lewis, while Kimi can go to Brawn GP?

Intriguing... combine that with that Noble guy's tweet about possible big news on the driver merry-go-round, and the fact that Button has apparently not yet agreed terms with Brawn for next year... maybe you are on to something! It's a slim possibility though I think. If it turns out you're right, then perhaps you could PM me some lottery numbers ;)

If we see Kimi in a Brawn next year I'd guess it would be replacing Rubens rather than Jenson.

[555-04Q2]

"Yep, get out, you only won one WDC out of a possible two!You are such a bad driver that we'll give you 40 million euros if you go. :) "

2007, 2008, 2009 = 3 actually ;)

[DexDexter]

2007, 2008, 2009 = 3 actually ;)

Are you seriously suggesting that a human could have won this year's championship with the current Ferrari? :rolleyes: :)

[jens]

Still can't understand, why did Kimi's initial contract include a clause, which enabled him to extend it until 2010 in what was effectively a 3+1 deal, so that Ferrari couldn't do anything about it last year. And such contract between Ferrari & Räikkönen/Robertson was done still in Todt's era. Mystery.

[DexDexter]

Kimi said in an interview that he could probably have continued at Ferrari in 2010 but there was no point because they (the team) wanted something else. There was no point in fighting them. He got compensation and they got what they wanted. He also commented on his troubles of 2008 and said that they suddenly changed the car which didn't work for him and it took a long time before they got back on the right track. Interesting stuff.

http://www.ts.fi/f1/uutiset/78251.html

[aryan]

The questions is, he is talking too much about not racing next year and just retiring from F1.

Wouldn't put it past him.

I would hate it though. He has unfinished business in F1.

[Valve Bounce]

"And what does this have to do with Kimi", you ask, and quite rightly.
This was stated by Maurizio Arrivabene, Marlboro's deputy chairman: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,26152400-5012433,00.html
His comments raise the question of why an apology should be required as Stoner is understood to be suffering from some form of chronic fatigue.
While Stoner, 23, was away Marlboro controversially instructed Ducati to make a huge offer -- far in excess of Stoner's multi-million-dollar salary -- to Spaniard Jorge Lorenzo, who ultimately decided to stay at Yamaha.

Arrivabene also controls sponsorship of the Ferrari Formula One team and gave the go-ahead for Kimi Raikkonen to be paid out for his 2010 contract this week so Fernando Alonso could replace him alongside Felipe Massa next season.

This does show who really holds the purse strings at both Ducatti and Ferrari, and when you hold the purse strings, you've got them by the balls.
And if you've got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow.

[raikk]

:laugh:

I can't tell you how much I want him to come back to McLaren and for them to spank Ferrari next year. Can you imagine the bile and excuses that would follow :D

This.. I would love nothing better then for this to happen...

[ioan]

And you can stop bashing Kimi now as a Ferrari driver and start hating him as a McL drive again. Makes life so much simpler, doesnt it? :)

Unlike you I don't feel the need to hate anyone. :)

[ioan]

Apparently WDC titles don't matter these daya because crap drivers win them while more deserving drivers come second ;)

I suppose you are taking Button's case as an example. ;) :p

[ioan]

I think it's just about as likely to happen at McLaren. :erm:

Exactly, but Knockie never learns from his own mistakes. ;)

[ioan]

We have lovely onboards in these days :)

Do you think they will often show onboard views from the Manor cars :?:

[ioan]

Next year is going to be interesting, for me at least. I have to forget about Heikki's treatment and start cheering for Mclaren again, on the other hand I will be supporting a certain currently injured Brasilian in a red car. It's not going to be easy. :rolleyes: Fred isn't the most popular man around here by the way.

I fully understand you.
I've somewhat warmed to Kimi during his tenure at Ferrari and having him in a McLaren will be a bit contradictory for me, maybe he goes to another team and I'll support him a bit.

[Dzeidzei]

Unlike you I don't feel the need to hate anyone. :)

Dear ioanus, I dont hate anyone. I even like your golden boy Felipe and feel terrible about his freak accident.

Your dislike to Kimi however has been proven beyond any doubt by yourself. Right here.

I do hope Felipe gets back okay. And if he does, I believe he´ll give Alonso a hard time. And I hope Kimi will beat them both in McL.

Thats just racing.

[ioan]

Dear ioanus, I dont hate anyone. I even like your golden boy Felipe and feel terrible about his freak accident.

Your dislike to Kimi however has been proven beyond any doubt by yourself. Right here.

I do hope Felipe gets back okay. And if he does, I believe he´ll give Alonso a hard time. And I hope Kimi will beat them both in McL.

Thats just racing.

I do not dislike Kimi as a person.
The only people I somewhat dislike are Ron Dennis and Kimi's fanboys, and I say fanboys to differentiate between thgem and the real fans Kimi has, few but very knowledgeable and likeable people, just like Kimi.

[ioan]

Kimi has spent most of his career at Mclaren so to me he's more a Mclaren driver than anything else, IMO of course... BTW if you have warmed to a driver, why would you support him less just because he may be driving a Mclaren? Out of interest... :)

Was that a serious question?

[Dzeidzei]

I do not dislike Kimi as a person.
The only people I somewhat dislike are Ron Dennis and Kimi's fanboys, and I say fanboys to differentiate between thgem and the real fans Kimi has, few but very knowledgeable and likeable people, just like Kimi.

Fair enough.

How do you feel about Kimi´s 45Me salary+ compensation for 2010 (from Marlboro and Santander). Plus the salary from the new team. Thats absurd, dont you think?

[ioan]

Fair enough.

How do you feel about Kimi´s 45Me salary+ compensation for 2010 (from Marlboro and Santander). Plus the salary from the new team. Thats absurd, dont you think?

It's their money.
However I believe that paying anyone more than 1 million Euro a season is absurd.
I'm pretty sure that even the president of the US doesn't get close to that and his job (and responsabilities) is a million times more difficult.

[ShiftingGears]

Yeah I know mate, I was just poking fun at some of the so called Ferrari fans on here that could not maintain that level of professionalism, and were keen to rubbish Kimi's acheivements at Ferrari now he is "out the door" so to speak. Not generalising everyone just a few... :)

I will definitely support McLaren a lot more next year if indeed Raikkonen rejoins them.

[harsha]

I do not dislike Kimi as a person.
The only people I somewhat dislike are Ron Dennis and Kimi's fanboys, and I say fanboys to differentiate between thgem and the real fans Kimi has, few but very knowledgeable and likeable people, just like Kimi.

pot calling kettle black :)

[Rallyper]

I haven´t read all the replies on this topic but:

Why isn´t the option that Kimi will drive the WRC series mentioned by anyone?? :bounce:

Don´t you guys see that he will change to RALLYING next year????

That´s the most obvious thing for him to do. :D :D

[harsha]

I haven´t read all the replies on this topic but:

Why isn´t the option that Kimi will drive the WRC series mentioned by anyone?? :bounce:

Don´t you guys see that he will change to RALLYING next year????

That´s the most obvious thing for him to do. :D :D

er..this is a formula 1 forum,why would f1 fans want to see him rallying :p :

[harsha]

I've finally found out what a 'Fanboy' is.... Wey hey

Although these Kimi fanboys ioan is talking about is a mystery to be honest. Theres plenty of Kimi fans on here who defend Kimi's achievements, but obsessed, computer, comic book loving individuals is not what I would label them... Its also a term originating from the US, which is probably why it is lost on many people on here... Very funny none the less..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

What do you describe as fanboy ioan??

a fanboy is someone who doesn't accept the fault of his fav driver/band/team and always insists that the driver/team/band can do no wrong...like erm...most metallica fans....and Ioan ofcourse ;)

[Valve Bounce]

I haven´t read all the replies on this topic but:

Why isn´t the option that Kimi will drive the WRC series mentioned by anyone?? :bounce:

Don´t you guys see that he will change to RALLYING next year????

That´s the most obvious thing for him to do. :D :D

Because Kimi => Toyota? Is that a reasonable option to assume, my dear Watson?

[Rallyper]

Because Kimi => Toyota? Is that a reasonable option to assume, my dear Watson?

No, Toyota isn´t rallying any longer. But Kimi => Fiat (S2000) is a very possible outcome next year. And that´s rallying.

I think you F1-fans unfortenately have to accept he´s leaving F1 for WRC next year. So please you have to deal with it and dare to discuss it as well. :s mokin:

[Dave B]

Ioan, please learn to multi-quote rather than replying to everybody individually: it takes a bloody age to navigate on a mobile :)

[havk]

But there is Toyota Corolla S2000 as well :P Kimi said if he stays in F1 he would drive only in team which give chances to the win championship. So probably he thinks about McLaren or maybe even Brawn. Toyota is in F1 many years and didn't even win race so far so I think it less probably he will join this team. So if not McLaren maybe it will be rallies... Would be very interesting.

[DexDexter]

No, Toyota isn´t rallying any longer. But Kimi => Fiat (S2000) is a very possible outcome next year. And that´s rallying.

I think you F1-fans unfortenately have to accept he´s leaving F1 for WRC next year. So please you have to deal with it and dare to discuss it as well. :s mokin:

But there really is no WRC, there is Loeb and Hirvonen plus that other Finn who keeps crashing. That's about it.

[Giuseppe F1]

One really important question here that everyone seems to have overlooked...

...if Kimi is indeed as the stronger rumours suggest, on his way back to McLaren Mercedes, in keeping with his sense of style at Ferrari from this year, will Vodafone be making Kimi his own special oversized ganster-rapper style baseball cap with oversized flat peak? :)

[jens]

But there really is no WRC, there is Loeb and Hirvonen plus that other Finn who keeps crashing. That's about it.

But what about IRC for Kimi then? :p : That's not really much worse than WRC any more!

[Rallyper]

But there really is no WRC, there is Loeb and Hirvonen plus that other Finn who keeps crashing. That's about it.

At the moment no. But it will be the years on! While F1 seems to disappear in cheating and so on which is sad I think.

But as a motorsportfan(?) you´d know about Latvala, wouldn´t you? ;)

[Valve Bounce]

No, Toyota isn´t rallying any longer. But Kimi => Fiat (S2000) is a very possible outcome next year. And that´s rallying.

I think you F1-fans unfortenately have to accept he´s leaving F1 for WRC next year. So please you have to deal with it and dare to discuss it as well. :s mokin:

You think?? I reckon that Kimi will either be with McLaren unless Toyota are lucky in luring him. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79109 (see last para)

[ArrowsFA1]

You think?? I reckon that Kimi will either be with McLaren unless Toyota are lucky in luring him. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79109 (see last para)
I don't know about Kubica's manager, but it looks more like Jason Plato to me in that photo :eek: :p

[ioan]

I've finally found out what a 'Fanboy' is.... Wey hey

Although these Kimi fanboys ioan is talking about is a mystery to be honest. Theres plenty of Kimi fans on here who defend Kimi's achievements, but obsessed, computer, comic book loving individuals is not what I would label them... Its also a term originating from the US, which is probably why it is lost on many people on here... Very funny none the less..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy

What do you describe as fanboy ioan??

Go back to school, I have no time to teach latecomers.

[ioan]

Ioan, please learn to multi-quote rather than replying to everybody individually: it takes a bloody age to navigate on a mobile :)

Sorry Dave! :D

[Knock-on]

Go back to school, I have no time to teach latecomers.

Keep cool ioan baby. Keep cool. Remember Forum Protocol ;)

Perhaps we can all tone down the haters and fanboy comments again?

Now, I have to go watch some Touring cars go round a track so behave yourselves till I get back Tuesday :D

:wave:

[DexDexter]

Keep cool ioan baby. Keep cool. Remember Forum Protocol ;)
:

Rob Smedley, LOL

:D :D

[Almeidafoto]

I bet he's going to WRC...

[DexDexter]

I bet he's going to WRC...

Which team? There are only 2 teams, and the seats are pretty much taken.

[Valve Bounce]

I bet he's going to WRC...

So you think Kimi will go and slide into oblivion?

[CaptainRaiden]

I can't believe how badly Ferrari have shot themselves in the foot. Kimi just obliterated Fisichella yet again, who by the way failed to make it to Q2 again, and Fisi is gonna be on Ferrari's payroll next year. :rotflmao:

And he also made sure he was quicker than Alonso in all sessions, making it into Q3, while Alonso and his "six tenths" were knocked out in Q2. I dunno what was Alonso crying about afterwards in the pits.

I dearly wish and hope that Kimi will stay in F1, returns to Mclaren and kicks Ferrari's scarlet behinds all over the floor. I dunno why he would leave F1 now, this is as good motivation as any. I really, really hope this happens.

Never liked Ferrari even when Kimi was driving for them. They've proved they are a sneaky backstabbing bunch, only comfortable with a driver who is okay with selling his soul to the devil and doing anything and everything to win, not an honest guy. That's why Schumacher first, and Alonso now, proudly part of many F1 scandals.

Well, now I've got more than a couple of reasons to cheer Mclaren, always my favorite team, and hope that Ferrari lose miserably. :devil: Let's see how Alonso's six tenths help Ferrari, now that he doesn't have Nigel Stepney in the other team. :p

[CaptainRaiden]

Which team? There are only 2 teams, and the seats are pretty much taken.

Does Latvala have a contract for next year? I don't know about that. Maybe Malcolm Wilson would like to have Kimi drive the second Ford with Hirvonen, especially since he is so fond of finns. Gronholm first, then Hirvonen and Latvala.

I really hope this doesn't happen, because there's one more thing Kimi has to do before he leaves F1. Well, maybe not him, but his fans certainly want to see that happen. :p

[DexDexter]

Does Latvala have a contract for next year? I don't know about that. Maybe Malcolm Wilson would like to have Kimi drive the second Ford with Hirvonen, especially since he is so fond of finns. Gronholm first, then Hirvonen and Latvala.

I really hope this doesn't happen, because there's one more thing Kimi has to do before he leaves F1. Well, maybe not him, but his fans certainly want to see that happen. :p

Hopefully that will not happen, IMO rallying is incredibly boring.

[Valve Bounce]

Hopefully that will not happen, IMO rallying is incredibly boring.

Are they still running that Rallying Championship? :confused:

[pino]

Hopefully that will not happen, IMO rallying is incredibly boring.

Wish I could reply you in a proper way but this is a F1 forum so, let's go back to F1...

[DexDexter]

Wish I could reply you in a proper way but this is a F1 forum so, let's go back to F1...

Let me rephrase, rallying is very boring on TV. Not in Jyväskylä.

[Mjfan12]

I can't believe how badly Ferrari have shot themselves in the foot. Kimi just obliterated Fisichella yet again, who by the way failed to make it to Q2 again, and Fisi is gonna be on Ferrari's payroll next year. :rotflmao:

And he also made sure he was quicker than Alonso in all sessions, making it into Q3, while Alonso and his "six tenths" were knocked out in Q2. I dunno what was Alonso crying about afterwards in the pits.

I dearly wish and hope that Kimi will stay in F1, returns to Mclaren and kicks Ferrari's scarlet behinds all over the floor. I dunno why he would leave F1 now, this is as good motivation as any. I really, really hope this happens.

Never liked Ferrari even when Kimi was driving for them. They've proved they are a sneaky backstabbing bunch, only comfortable with a driver who is okay with selling his soul to the devil and doing anything and everything to win, not an honest guy. That's why Schumacher first, and Alonso now, proudly part of many F1 scandals.

Well, now I've got more than a couple of reasons to cheer Mclaren, always my favorite team, and hope that Ferrari lose miserably. :devil: Let's see how Alonso's six tenths help Ferrari, now that he doesn't have Nigel Stepney in the other team. :p

yeah ok, us tifosi will cry ourselves to sleep cheering for the most famous and successful team in f1 and perhaps the world of automobiles.

[Mjfan12]

It's their money.
However I believe that paying anyone more than 1 million Euro a season is absurd.
I'm pretty sure that even the president of the US doesn't get close to that and his job (and responsabilities) is a million times more difficult.

us president makes 500k, but they dont do it for the money as they all are rich before they got elected.


anyways I support the team of Ferrari, I dont care who drives for them, they are not above the team.

I hated kimi with mclaren, liked him with Ferrari, he'll become the enemy again when he leaves.

only exception was schumacher, but I got into f1 in 98, so he was already with Ferrari than.

but even he was not above the team.

[harsha]

lot of drivel and bs being posted on here,but i hope that Kimi makes the Ferrari team eat their words

Kimi for the WDC next year :up:

[ioan]

lot of drivel and bs being posted on here,but i hope that Kimi makes the Ferrari team eat their words

What words? Did I miss Ferrari bashing Kimi?!

[DexDexter]

Kimi on a special stage in Jyväskylä ( Cursing at the end :) and saying it didn't go well at all) Let's hope he doesn't move to that discipline just yet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLAmymiOVc4&feature=related

[jas123f1]

lot of drivel and bs being posted on here,but i hope that Kimi makes the Ferrari team eat their words

Kimi for the WDC next year :up:

Sure, I agree.. really.. and the reason for me is that Ferrari break their promises to their latest world champion and they did it only because of BIG money.. not very honourable, i should say...

I think Ferrari still has some kind of “Schumi sickness” in the team – they have forgotten how difficult it is to be best. I was hoping that Ferrari should be more honourable when Schumacher decided to leave his driver seat and especially when they hired Kimi, who is very honest guy.

Unfortunately that didn’t go in that way, it’s really doesn’t make sense that Ferrari doesn’t take their responsibility … and to be accusing Kimi of the pour result Ferrari is making this year... is “low”, every one can se that the car is very difficult to drive – if some one don’t believe that .. ask Fisi or Badoer..

I still hope Kimi will have a sporting chance next year and take the title and especially NOW..

I like Felipe and I was hoping that he would get the title some day, I think today is his chances to be a champion unfortunately much lower than with Kimi, who was helping him last year which make of course Kimis own results a bit worse – now it’s interesting to see when Alonso will do the same .. ( I have my doubts..)

Big mistake of Ferrari to sell their latest champion AND thousands of their fans for money..

:s mokin:

[jens]

I'm not sure it is a "big mistake" to lose Kimi, but it's sad and astonishing to see so much money being wasted ($40-60M or what is rumoured to be the price) that can be utilized in more useful ways. Still hard to believe, how on earth did Ferrari agree on such contract, which didn't give them any flexibility at all.

[harsha]

I'm not sure it is a "big mistake" to lose Kimi, but it's sad and astonishing to see so much money being wasted ($40-60M or what is rumoured to be the price) that can be utilized in more useful ways. Still hard to believe, how on earth did Ferrari agree on such contract, which didn't give them any flexibility at all.

Kimi did not default on any of the terms mentioned in his contract.

[harsha]

What words? Did I miss Ferrari bashing Kimi?!

nah,contrary to what people might think,I actually like having conversations with you :)

I'm referring to the post above mine,maybe i should have quoted

[Saint Devote]

Ferrari do not deserve a driver like Kimi. He is straightforward and honest - you get what you see and no bs.

Well they are going to get a real handful with Alonso and the only team manager able to channel that highly strung energy successfully so far has been Briatore.

Unless Kimi is in a competitive team in 2010 he will not race - and to think of the world championship losing Raikkonen at this stage is just beyond comprehension.

Mclaren should fight to sign him because just as Alonso was a natural fit with Renault/Briatore so the same can be said about Mclaren/Raikkonen.

All Kimi lacked while at Mclaren was reliability otherwise he would have won a championship with them and between six and ten more grands prix.

The question is will Alonso be able to achieve what Kimi did [and Jody Scheckter] - winniing a championship for the Ferrari team in his first year!

[ioan]

Ferrari do not deserve a driver like Kimi. He is straightforward and honest - you get what you see and no bs.

My of my.
I suppose that a team of proven cheaters and liars like McLaren deserve him better! Oh the irony! :D

[ioan]

I wasn't aware Ferrari had such a clean past either :p

Now you are aware.

Luckily for McLaren, Flav and Renault decided to contest their supremacy as cheaters. ;)

[Dzeidzei]

A lot of rumors are stating that Kimi is heading to Red Bull. That would be interesting too. Altho not if you ask the Webber fans. But with RBR Kimi would have a chance to drive a few rally wrc races too.

[ioan]

Kimi to RedBull would be interesting.

PS: You are right, Webber fans would not agree with this being an interesting move.

[jens]

Robertson seems like a wise manager and considering which contract and compensations he has managed to get from Ferrari for Kimi, I wouldn't rule out anything (=RBR). But I think McLaren is still far more likely.

[DexDexter]

A lot of rumors are stating that Kimi is heading to Red Bull. That would be interesting too. Altho not if you ask the Webber fans. But with RBR Kimi would have a chance to drive a few rally wrc races too.

I don't know, I still think Red Bull isn't a genuine top team. IMO it's more likely that Mclaren will be more competititive than Red Bull next year than the other way around. But you never know , do you? The atmosphere would certainly suit Kimi.

[jimakos]

I think Kimi will stay in Ferrari as 1st driver!!
Also Massa and Alonso will make this team unbeatable next year :)

[jas123f1]

A lot of rumors are stating that Kimi is heading to Red Bull. That would be interesting too. Altho not if you ask the Webber fans. But with RBR Kimi would have a chance to drive a few rally wrc races too.

Sure - it would be quite interesting (especially when Vettel and Kimi are said to be good friends).
What I can see there are only four teams: McLaren, Toyota, Red Bull and Brawn - probably in that order. As we know Kimi want to have the right conditions before he decide if he take the offer or not. That means also that - if he will drive next season – then he also believes on the team and his chances 2010 - or if he will continue in F1 a longer time (e.g. 2 years) he believe that team can be reliable during that time.

I think even Toyota is an interesting alternative and it says that they are “in discussion” with Robertson, but if Kimi moves to Toyota it must be at least 2 years contract.. :)

[Steve2009]

Sorry to go off topic, but you got to love the class he's showing knowing he is gone next year. :up:


http://www.f1technical.net/news/13522
We have to give it everything in the last two races to stay on the third place even if Mclaren is getting stronger.
It will be difficult to keep them behind us in Interlagos and Abu Dhabi.
It’s difficult to say how the F60 will run on these tracks: we’ve had several surprises throughout the season.
Naturally I’d love to gain a place on the podium in Brazil, also because I’m celebrating my 30th birthday there.
It would be a nice present!"

[harsha]

Sorry to go off topic, but you got to love the class he's showing knowing he is gone next year. :up:

yup,he's a class act....and this is what ferrari are losing next year....

what a champion \m/

I will not in all probability ever support a ferrari car again...despite supporting Kimi in ferrari,not with ferrari treating a WDC like this

[jas123f1]

yup,he's a class act....and this is what ferrari are losing next year....

what a champion \m/

I will not in all probability ever support a ferrari car again...despite supporting Kimi in ferrari,not with ferrari treating a WDC like this

Yes it will be very difficult support Ferrari next season after what they made to Kimi and his fans... The big money speaks ..

[pino]

Yes it will be very difficult support Ferrari next season after what they made to Kimi and his fans... The big money speaks ..

Remember that drivers are coming and going while Ferrari stays. But I guess you have to be a true tifoso to understand that... ;)

[jas123f1]

Remember that drivers are coming and going while Ferrari stays. But I guess you have to be a true tifoso to understand that... ;)

Maybe :) .. and yes - :) I heard that Luca di Montezemolo said that - and i have no problems with that - the only reason that it will be difficult remain as Ferrari supporter is that Ferrari break their promises and Kimi's contract ..

They don’t care of Kimi or his fans that simple is it.

And, it happen - as I can see - without any other reason than big money ... it's not fair.. so why remain there you are undesirable. I think it will be very difficult to many Kimi fans.. but of course Ferrari gets many more fans with Alonso.. so they are pleased anyway .. I can think.. :)

However it will be interesting to follow how Alonso and Felipe can work together (and I must say I have my doubts) – But if some one of them will win the title some day I hope it will be Felipe.

[harsha]

Maybe :) .. and yes - :) I heard that Luca di Montezemolo said that - and i have no problems with that - the only reason that it will be difficult remain as Ferrari supporter is that Ferrari break their promises and Kimi's contract ..

They don’t care of Kimi or his fans that simple is it.

And, it happen - as I can see - without any other reason than big money ... it's not fair.. so why remain there you are undesirable. I think it will be very difficult to many Kimi fans.. but of course Ferrari gets many more fans with Alonso.. so they are pleased anyway .. I can think.. :)

However it will be interesting to follow how Alonso and Felipe can work together (and I must say I have my doubts) – But if some one of them will win the title some day I hope it will be Felipe.

I have seen the future and it's with mclaren and kimi :cheese:

but then again it could be brawn and kimi,redbull and kimi....bah what a waste of time....it def is not with ferrari though :cheese:

[Saint Devote]

Two teams act like Ferrari - Ferrari itself and the most successful team through the 1980's - mid 90's, Williams.

They have dismissed world champions more than anyone - but then they had over the past two decades more world champion drivers than Ferrari anyway.

[ozrevhead]

A lot of rumors are stating that Kimi is heading to Red Bull. That would be interesting too. Altho not if you ask the Webber fans. But with RBR Kimi would have a chance to drive a few rally wrc races too.
Personally I dont think it will happen

Webber fans wont the only livid one I can guarentee your - he's very popular up and down pit lane and I dont think they will few there that will take it too kindly :mad:

Could of left when they were jaguar and were s-house but didnt