Swedish Rally 2010

[Koppomsbo]

XD......I now have a mental image of her lipstick, mascara, etc now rolling around on the floor.

:D

[pettersolberg29]

N.O.T - you really are a gem among men! Sponsoring Solberg is a two-way benefit:
1) a top quality driver is showing off your company
2) the most supported and possibly most famous driver is advertising your company

I will admit I'm concerned about his lack of pace - it's rubbish. But snow is his worst surface and he's never been on snow with the C4 in a proper event. They are the only excuses I can find for you N.O.T

[Tomi]

Ken Rees said on the WRR that Petter did not recognize the car from testing.

Lol, sure yes, mechanics are just playing around a little. :D

[Mirek]

Mr. Solowow is doing much better than I expected.

[Hipo1990]

yes he doing very well, keep it :)

[Ghostwalker]

anyone else having problems with Ramonas stream?

[jbmarcus21]

VIDEO Super Special Stage Karlstad http://bit.ly/9NxQiB

[Koppomsbo]

Soon live stage again http://www.ramonarallying.com

[Mirek]

What about Kresta?

Got stucked in snow. Car is undamaged. Crew have a fun of that and continues enjoying snow.

[noel157]

Can't see any results for Ramona and Miriam? Anybody know?

[The D Man]

Is there any live footage?

[Mauri A]

Stage 4, Räikkönen didn´t want to talk! When does he start to behave?

[Ghostwalker]

Can't see any results for Ramona and Miriam? Anybody know?

they just completed SS2 about 10 minutes ago.

No problems in this stage and good performance when you think about the fact that it
only was their 2nd stage in their new car.

[Mirek]

Can't see any results for Ramona and Miriam? Anybody know?

You need to follow national championship results: http://193.12.114.105/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=376&lang=en

[Ghostwalker]

]You need to follow national championship results: http://193.12.114.105/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=376&lang=en

they dont appear in the list after SS2 at the moment.

[noel157]

Thanks Mirek and Ghost, wasn't sure. Good idea the live feed, although sound has disappeared.

Edit - 8th in the Evo Championship, not bad.

[rp]

Can't see any results for Ramona and Miriam? Anybody know?

Are you searching the results from the wrc.com. They are not competing in the WRC event. Only the Round of the Swedish Rally Championship...

[Mirek]

they dont appear in the list after SS2 at the moment.

They are there - 36th place.

[AlfaWRC]

According to my mates out there on the stages Hirvonen has to attack like hell to follow the speed of the Citroens which seem cruising around a bit in relation to the Fords.

[noel157]

Is Miriam any relation to Per Inge Walfridsson?

[Motorsportfun]

Stage 4, Räikkönen didn´t want to talk!

He lost a lot of time with Al Qassimi :mad:

And thats a 3rd works driver? Just 'cause he put tons of money to Malcolm Wilson's desk.

[Ghostwalker]

Is Miriam any relation to Per Inge Walfridsson?

Yes they are relatives i dont know in what way though.
Possible he is her uncle?

[John V]

Hello everybody. Just small info about results, click on crew leads you to their statistics directly now. SWRC filter will be available soon. ( http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?id=13 )

[noel157]

Yes they are relatives i dont know in what way though.
Possible he is her uncle?

Thanks, met Per-Inge a few times, nice guy and a talented driver.

[WRCfan]

Damn what a crazy start to the rally. Can't believe Solberg is so far off the pace. Sounds like Mikko is trying to stay behind for clean lines on second day, hope it is this and not a confidence issue.

[pettersolberg29]

I had a look at the rally in 2008, and after 3 stages and one SSS (equal distance overall) the leader which was JML was way ahead and there were few close battles like 2010 already. Petter was 61 secs behind, while now he is 58 so overall it's better but there is so much competition now that in 2008 this was 5th, while in 2010 it's 10th.

[Wim_Impreza]

Lol, so much competition now? There are only 2 factory teams and in 2008 there were 4.

[Ghostwalker]

Thanks, met Per-Inge a few times, nice guy and a talented driver.

i did some googling and Per Inge is not her uncle so perhaps
he and Miriams father are cousins?

[pettersolberg29]

Lol, so much competition now? There are only 2 factory teams and in 2008 there were 4.

Yeah, but outside those 4 drivers there is a pack of about 6 good drivers including Petter, Marcus, Henning, Ogier and Ostberg. Also, in 2008 Dani Sordo and JML were not great, and on snow Sordo was non-existent. The competition outside Loeb, Mikko, Marcus, Petter was very poor. Galli isn't competition, Atkinson isn't on snow and the Suzukis? Less said the better. I'd say the quality and number of drivers now is much better than the last 3 or 4 years.

[Hartusvuori]

SS5 is live.

EDIT: Split 2: -3,8 for Mikko!
EDIT2: Split 3: -6,0 for Mikko. Loeb in problems?
EDIT3: Split4: Loeb's 9,6s down

[jonkka]

Could be...

[ZequeArgentina]

SS5 is live.

EDIT: Split 2: -3,8 for Mikko!
EDIT2: Split 3: -6,0 for Mikko. Loeb in problems?
EDIT3: Split4: Loeb's 9,6s down

The "problem" could be tomorrow starting order????????????????????

[Hartusvuori]

First I felt like GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! but then perhaps Citroen's are giving Mikko some rope and have him first car on the road tomorrow. Perhaps, but then again, if Mikko gets ahead enough, he's hard to catch on snow.

[Viking]

Could be...

no problems he said...

[A.F.F.]

This is ridicilous :laugh:

What a joke this starting order.....

Yes, if I don't like I don't have to watch it, I know. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. Shame that you can't really enjoy rallies until the löast leg :mark:

See you on sunday....

[MHjerpe]

Petter stopped in stage 5 :(

[Ghostwalker]

tactics by Loeb?

[Mauri A]

The "problem" could be tomorrow starting order????????????????????
Not yet my friend, anyway Loeb was 15 secs slower than on the first run.

[Viridian Black]

petter....................

[Simmi]

I wonder what's happened to Petter. Shame.

[Ghostwalker]

Petter stopped in stage 5 :(

things really arent going Petters way :(

[ZequeArgentina]

I mean, if stage isso bad (full of stones apparently) and you do not want to start first tomorrow, it could be good to lift a little on this stag and not neccessarily on the last one today (last > the last one to define starting order)

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg's on the move. Perhaps another appointment with a snowbank.

[MHjerpe]

Petter is moving again.. puhhh

[N.O.T]

nice attack by hirvonen...Loeb overcautious or just playing...you can never tell with the current starting order system.

[Hartusvuori]

Petter's 4 minutes down. Latvala had a moment at the end of the stage?

[N.O.T]

I don;t know if i like the latvala of the old better than this one......maybe ford told him that manufacturers title is important this year.

[N.O.T]

LATVALA J.-M. / ANTTILA M. "It's very very slippery, we had a spin and had to reverse."

from rally.cz

[Wim_Impreza]

Is that the driver (P. Solberg) that goes for the podium this rally and for a victory this year? :p

[jonkka]

I don;t know if i like the latvala of the old better than this one......maybe ford told him that manufacturers title is important this year.

If they did, they ought to re-attend their math classes. Ford's number two should be able to beat Citroen's number two on this rally as it'll be reverse on tarmac events which we'll have plenty of this year.

[N.O.T]

I think Loeb drove very carefully on this one....the splits of the tourists indicate that.

[N.O.T]

If they did, they ought to re-attend their math classes. Ford's number two should be able to beat Citroen's number two on this rally as it'll be reverse on tarmac events which we'll have plenty of this year.

maybe they think that Sordo will not avoid mistakes since he wants somethi9gn to prove this year (like latvala tried to do so last year)

[AndyRAC]

Seems like the ruts are causing trouble - that's what happens with repeated stages.....

[jonkka]

maybe they think that Sordo will not avoid mistakes since he wants somethi9gn to prove this year (like latvala tried to do so last year)

May be - but it's a gamble and with Sordo's past record it's big gamble.

[Hartusvuori]

I don;t know if i like the latvala of the old better than this one......maybe ford told him that manufacturers title is important this year.

Somebody once said that Latvala under team orders is like a caged beast (if you can at any conditions define Latvala by a word "beast") and that is what I expect to see of him whole this season. Definitely the Latvala of old as you put it was much more enthralling to follow, but his situation is underlined to bring the points back to homebase and thus support Mikko, and this year he's more determined to do it than ever. He've tried it earlier, of course with off course results. We'll see how it goes this season, but I'd take it as a success if he manages to keep in on the road and ahead of Sordo - and not to loose more of his speed while learning to do so.

[jonkka]

Seems that Ogier was caught out at the end too - he was several secs ahead of JML at last split but finished slower than him - even considering JML's spin.

[N.O.T]

WRC is a racists sport....i am disgusted !!! How can they not have splits for the bestest oversized cart driver and future legend of rallying and whole world who will dominate everything ??

i demand Boudica guy to post a wall of text about this now....

[Sulland]

Listening to the drivers on the 2nd round of stages, it will be the last time the Swedish championship is allowed to do their round together with the WRC round.

The stages are to damaged for the 2nd round for the WRC cars by the sound of it !

[EavesFan09]

What stage are we at? Listening to it on wrc.com. Cannot make out what is happening.

[jonkka]

SS5

[N.O.T]

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "We went off the road and lost a lot of time. I'm trying too hard."

[pettersolberg29]

I would be surprised if we don't see at least a couple more retirements among the front-runners by the end of the day if conditions are like this.

[Rallye_106]

Shame for Marcus, good splits, but in the last part of the stage: GRÖNHOLM M. / RAUTIAINEN T. (st. č. 5) "We missed a junction, lost about 15 seconds." / "Přejeli jsme odbočku, nechali jsme tam asi 15 sekund."

[Wim_Impreza]

Listening to the drivers on the 2nd round of stages, it will be the last time the Swedish championship is allowed to do their round together with the WRC round.

The stages are to damaged for the 2nd round for the WRC cars by the sound of it !

They said that in the past too.

[N.O.T]

raikonen finished the staged....another great time.

[blissard]

What happened to Østberg?

[Mirek]

Was off and has oil pressure troubles.

[N.O.T]

how good are the pensions in norway for rally drivers ???

[kolvas]

They said that in the past too.

When have they said that in the past? Swedish Championship haven´t been driving with WRC before, 2008 SM was cancelled

[EavesFan09]

Loeb down behind Sordo and Hirvonen overall. Is that over the first 5 stages?

[Wim_Impreza]

In 2008: that they will never let drive again the Swedish drivers in the same weekend as the WRC round.

[Mirek]

Everyone is missing the same junction at the end of the stage :D

[MHjerpe]

Ramona off again...

[Mauri A]

raikonen finished the staged....another great time.
Try to learn to spell your favorite´s name!

[Tomi]

]Everyone is missing the same junction at the end of the stage :D

Maybe the same mystical person that canged petters settings after the test, has screwed up some crews notes aswell?

[kolvas]

In 2008: that they will never let drive again the Swedish drivers in the same weekend as the WRC round.

they didn´t drive 2008, it was cancelled

[Sulland]

how good are the pensions in norway for rally drivers ???

Way better than in Greece, since you are bankrupt. The drivers get paid in oil and gas ! :p :D :s mokin:

[satukata]

Janne Tuohino´s speed is great, fastest ford s2000? :)

[Wim_Impreza]

they didn´t drive 2008, it was cancelled

I know, just for that reason.

[N.O.T]

the propaganda from the WRC continues...now they give fake times to s2000 drivers just to ridicule Mr Raikonen.....they deserve time in jail.

[bluuford]

]Mr. Solowow is doing much better than I expected.

he did much better than expected in Arctic as well

[EavesFan09]

Are the SWRC and PWRC guys running in with the WRC guys for class honours then?

Andersson seems to be the best SWRC driver out there. Flodin was just talked about as a great driver.

[N.O.T]

Try to learn to spell your favorite´s name!

its not that i cannot spell his name but to try and spell the name of a living rally legend is hard work...i cannot think straight whenever it comes to my mind that a true legend honours the fake sport of WRC thus i make mistakes....i hope he forgives me sometime.

[noel157]

Janne Tuohino´s speed is great, fastest ford s2000? :)

Wait for PG to come through but yes, Tuohino is performing well.

Edit - PG 6 secs faster than Wilson.

[kolvas]

PG is outstanding

[Mauri A]

Our Greek sick dog is still going strong!

[MJW]

Way better than in Greece, since you are bankrupt. The drivers get paid in oil and gas ! :p :D :s mokin:
Just love that answer!!!!

[mm1]

PG must be in a works car, just awesome times!
And he "tryed to save the tyres and maybe was too slow" :)

[RS]

Andersson!!

[Mirek]

Yes, PG is doing some silly things out there... and he's reporting he's saving his tyres :D

[ste898]

Looks like another year of the same from Matt Wilson and probably another year of the same with Loeb winning all rounds

[EavesFan09]

PG is outstanding

Not in the top 24 finishers or top 24 overall according to wrc.com's stage 5 results.

[N.O.T]

Way better than in Greece, since you are bankrupt. The drivers get paid in oil and gas ! :p :D :s mokin:

your info is totally wrong oil and gas was last years pension here...now all we can have is 1 slice of 3 days old bread, 3 armenian dollars and for those who worked more than 56 years 1 olive.

[ZequeArgentina]

]Everyone is missing the same junction at the end of the stage :D

Quotes at the end of the stage indicate that there are lines from the prior drivers leading to out of the road!

[JFL]

So what does the people think about the winter conditions in Sweden? Do they favour anyone?

[Mauri A]

Looks like another year of the same from Matt Wilson and probably another year of the same with Loeb winning all rounds
All rounds, when?

[[WRCRR]]

PG Andersson has been amazing! Really the star of the rally until now, no question.

Don't be too harsh on Kimi, it's his first WRC rally in WRCar, and the conditions are really difficult. In fact his times are not bad at all, considering that.

Petter, dissapointing again. Things never seem to work for him anymore...

The top, pretty much as expected. Grönholm little bit rusty, as expected. Look for him to go faster tomorrow.

[N.O.T]

Quotes at the end of the stage indicate that there are lines from the prior drivers leading to out of the road!

and you can see the difference between a rally driver and a tourist...rally drivers actually follow the line they have in the notes...tourists follow tracks.

[Sulland]

Janne Tuohino´s speed is great, fastest ford s2000? :)

Yes, but PG is blowing him away so far !

[kolvas]

I know, just for that reason.

if they could drive in Greece and such a roads they can handle some gravel in sweden, if the condiotions had bin better with ice in the roads it wouldn´t been a problem, I think it was about the same conditions in Swedish Rally in 2004, there where gravel after a few cars but then they didn´t have SM to blame

[Sulland]

your info is totally wrong oil and gas was last years pension here...now all we can have is 1 slice of 3 days old bread, 3 armenian dollars and for those who worked more than 56 years 1 olive.

Just thank the EU and the Euro for that ! :p

[Tomi]

So what does the people think about the winter conditions in Sweden? Do they favour anyone?

could be better, but still same for everyone, lets just hope none of the topguys run in trouble because of the roads.

[Buzz Lightyear]

Andersson seems to be the best SWRC driver out there. Flodin was just talked about as a great driver.

Men among boys.

[Mirek]

I really enjoy N.O.T.'s comments today :D

[kolvas]

Originally Posted by EavesFan09 http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=749615#post749615)

Andersson seems to be the best SWRC driver out there. Flodin was just talked about as a great driver.

Men among boys.

Flodin is a great driver but the Gr. N car is to heavy in the front and their tires i totally woren out.

[N.O.T]

Just thank the EU and the Euro for that ! :p

without the EU and the Euro to milk money we would abandon the mediterranean way of eating and we would implement the korean way eating rats, cat and doggy

[pettersolberg29]

Any pics of Petter's wreckage-of-a-car? Has he retired on the road section or is he just taking his time to fix things? One of my mates out there has told me he's stopped on a road section.

[N.O.T]

Andersson is doing a great job....will it lead somewhere ? no.... :(

[satukata]

Looks like another year of the same from Matt Wilson and probably another year of the same with Loeb winning all rounds

What could PG do if he have wilsson´s car? top tree?

[pettersolberg29]

Also a great job from Mikkelsen. Good stage time there and not far off catching Tuohino. Be interesting to see his pace in the IRC.

[Mirek]

What could PG do if he have wilsson´s car? top tree?

You could see last year what he was able to do with old piece of WRC metal ;)

[bluuford]

What could PG do if he have wilsson´s car? top tree?

He would have told Wilson "Faster, faster, The corner is till 1km away!"

[N.O.T]

its a pity ketomaa is out and haninen isn;t competing...then we would see if PGs times are really that amazing.

[satukata]

Andersson is doing a great job....will it lead somewhere ? no.... :(

FactoryTeam driver 2011!

S2000/S1600 team bosses will call soon if the speed stays and car stays on the road.

I think skoda s2000 have now fastest speed/driver ever.

[Viking]

Mikkelsen slots in after PG in 9`th from his lousy starting position :up:

[RS]

]You could see last year what he was able to do with old piece of WRC metal ;)

PGA+Skoda+Snow= good results :)

I don't think even Hanninen could match these times.

[Josti]

Andersson is doing a great job....will it lead somewhere ? no.... :(

I too fear a retirement, most likely something mechanical.

If not, I bet he can work him self up in a top 8 position. At least a great performance from PG so far, he's really making his mark.

[N.O.T]

Mikkelsen slots in after PG in 9`th from his lousy starting position :up:

is PGs position any better than mikkelsen?

[Sulland]

Also a great job from Mikkelsen. Good stage time there and not far off catching Tuohino. Be interesting to see his pace in the IRC.

Yes, I was sitting hoping for Mikkel to come in just behind PG, and he did.
Hopefully he will have a different starting position tomorrow after the regroup, and gain a bit from that as well !

[Tomi]

its a pity ketomaa is out and haninen isn;t competing...then we would see if PGs times are really that amazing.

Ketomaa's first event will be Jordan, they are still building his Ford, but I belive here in Sweden PG would beat them both propably, but else i think Ketomaa is faster than Hänninen, so else where it would be a close fight.
But the Swedes has a bunch of useless drivers there, better would be to put all the resourses behind PG, it would be good in the long run for rally in Sweden.

[Koppomsbo]

Any pics of Petter's wreckage-of-a-car? Has he retired on the road section or is he just taking his time to fix things? One of my mates out there has told me he's stopped on a road section.

Anyone?

[awake27]

Hi guys, can you please post the link of that czech rally site for the live results? Not the ewrc-results.com, the other one with the difficult spelling.

[Mirek]

Tomi: I guess Hänninen will drive NORF, so some comparision with Ketomaa in S2000 cars will come ;)

awake27: This one? http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=246&filtr=

[pettersolberg29]

He was moving again, then stopped about 1km down the road again. Apparently he's on his way to the next stage, but with little hope... :(

(Petter that is)

[Fly]

You all seem soooo surprised by PG's speed. Don't tell me you ever doubted that he was a potential winner in WRC!! I saw him in the group N Clio (2002) and the S1600 Clio (2003) and I already rated him as high as Hirvonen who's been driving the Clio S1600 in 2002.
Hand up who had a doubt!

[Tomi]

]Tomi: I guess Hänninen will drive NORF, so some comparision with Ketomaa in S2000 cars will come ;)

awake27: This one? http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=246&filtr=

Yes, lets hope so, hopefully PG is present too.

[awake27]

]Tomi: I guess Hänninen will drive NORF, so some comparision with Ketomaa in S2000 cars will come ;)

awake27: This one? http://www.vysledky-rally.cz/vysledky/?rz=246&filtr=
Yes, thank you very much! :D I'm on a university pc so it is difficult to remember the site.

[Koppomsbo]

Yes, lets hope so, hopefully PG is present too.

Big chances for that :up:

[Viking]

is PGs position any better than mikkelsen?

Yes, 10 cars better...

[xavier]

SS6: Seb is 37 s faster in split 2 than this morning.. that seems like a whole lot!

opps brain cramp, i was comparing to ss4

[jonkka]

SS6: Seb is 37 s faster in split 2 than this morning.. that seems like a whole lot!

Huh? 2:36.0 in the first run, now 2:36.8...

[kolvas]

Ketomaa's first event will be Jordan, they are still building his Ford, but I belive here in Sweden PG would beat them both propably, but else i think Ketomaa is faster than Hänninen, so else where it would be a close fight.
But the Swedes has a bunch of useless drivers there, better would be to put all the resourses behind PG, it would be good in the long run for rally in Sweden.
I think so to

[pettersolberg29]

Solberg in stage, but slow. (even more than normal ;) )

[Koppomsbo]

But Henning is doing great

[Viking]

Move!! :D

"Some damage to Matt's car after Petter bumped into him once he got back on the road. Update on Matt's Ford Focus RS WRC as soon as possible."

[Sulland]

And Latvala has found rhythm !

[noel157]

Move!! :D

"Some damage to Matt's car after Petter bumped into him once he got back on the road. Update on Matt's Ford Focus RS WRC as soon as possible."

Comedy of errors:

Solberg was first to hit trouble, losing four minutes and damaging the rear of his C4 WRC when he went off the road. He got going again, but was quickly caught by Ford Focus RS WRC driver Matthew Wilson. Wilson got past soon after - when Petter went off again - but eight kilometres from the finish Wilson stalled his Ford on a corner and was rear-ended by Petter's Citroen.

http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=101&id=6885&desc=SS5:+Hirvonen+leads+after+carnage+on+Likenas+ repeat+

Thanks to Eamo.

[satukata]

Great Jm!!!!

[satukata]

Latvala was very happy in swedish rally radio after ss6,
made changes in car setup before ss 6 and now he have great feeling with car!

[Hartusvuori]

Bosse stopped on SS6.

[Koppomsbo]

nooooo

[tolis]

It's a pity for Bosse... :(

[Hartusvuori]

Any news on Bosse? At least Al Qassimi have next split after him, so at least 2-3 minutes behind by now... shame.

[Koppomsbo]

http://www.rallysweden.com/wrc/?p=757

doesnt look so bad

[Mirek]

Bosse had electrical problems.

Kimi also stopped.

[Hartusvuori]

If you look at Kimi's onboard of SS2 from wrc.com you can tell Kimi is not a gentleman driver. Sounds like there's more swear words heard in the cabin than pace notes when he drives behind Al Qassimi. From the video it looks that Al Qassimi isn't even that close to him, but of course the sun is shining from low and Kimi's a rookie, so...

[pettersolberg29]

Could be worse damage for Petter, although he was quite a bit slower than Henning. Maybe he's finally decided to calm down now the only thing he can do is finish and test.

[miksu]

Could be worse damage for Petter, although he was quite a bit slower than Henning. Maybe he's finally decided to calm down now the only thing he can do is finish and test.

Yeah, but test for what?!?

[pettersolberg29]

Just generally getting used to the car - although with Bosse and Kimi out then maybe lower points are possible?

[Ghostwalker]

Listening to the drivers on the 2nd round of stages, it will be the last time the Swedish championship is allowed to do their round together with the WRC round.

The stages are to damaged for the 2nd round for the WRC cars by the sound of it !

well perhaps they could run the SwChamps cars on the 2nd (afternoon) loop on both friday and Saturday?

[Koppomsbo]

http://www.sr.se/diverse/Images/SMS/1263360175594dRMDSC00284.jpg

Pic of Petters off

[N.O.T]

RÄIKKÖNEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K. Stopped in the stage.

:( :( :( :( :(

[Koppomsbo]

Sandell reporting Gearbox trouble to rally radio

[pettersolberg29]

http://www.sr.se/diverse/Images/SMS/1263360175594dRMDSC00284.jpg

Pic of Petters off

That looks like a pacenote error or car error rather than just pushing too hard. Looks a long way into the snowbank - you can't do that without a major problem.

[bluuford]

RÄIKKÖNEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K. Stopped in the stage.

:( :( :( :( :(

You know, I am so sorry for you. I would donate my tiny dinner for you if you would live closer to us ;-)

[Viking]

My prediction will be that Sordo will be first on the road tomorrow…

[Ghostwalker]

Kimi is in the ditch 4km from the finish and he wont be able to get up without help from a tractor or something like that.

[satukata]

Marcus have electrical problem. Engine only stopped and it take 10min to get it working again.

[bluuford]

That looks like a pacenote error or car error rather than just pushing too hard. Looks a long way into the snowbank - you can't do that without a major problem.

Where can you see the road? Looks like proper overshoot to me :-)

[Viking]

Grøndal now just 1,7s behind Flodin in PWRC

[noel157]

Did Mads suddenly find some oil pressure?

[Viking]

Mikkel faster than PG on this one :up:

[pettersolberg29]

Where can you see the road? Looks like proper overshoot to me :-)

Yeah but an overshoot is surely down to going too fast so therefore it is a pacenote error or simply not listening to the notes


My prediction will be that Sordo will be first on the road tomorrow…

Same. Loeb will slow about 5 secs, Mikko will try to lose as close to 10s as possible while Sordo will go as fast as possible to run first tomorrow. That being said, first on the road doesn't seem much of a disadvantage today. Is that Loeb's skill or are the roads in good nick? We'll see tomorrow morning.

[pettersolberg29]

Kimi finishes +26 minutes. Good time for Mikkelsen.

[Iskald]

Mikkel faster than PG on this one :up:

Waited nearly a whole day for that, but a pity that PG is a minute ahead. Still those are good times, both for Andreas and PG.

[satukata]

kimi on the road again!!

[pettersolberg29]

Just thinking out loud - shouldn't Kimi have retired? He'd have lost only 17.5 mins by Superrally instead of 26 mins!

[satukata]

Just thinking out loud - shouldn't Kimi have retired? He'd have lost only 17.5 mins by Superrally instead of 26 mins!

now he can drive next ss7 and ss8. :)

[Hartusvuori]

Just thinking out loud - shouldn't Kimi have retired? He'd have lost only 17.5 mins by Superrally instead of 26 mins!

In that sense yes, but this perhaps doesn't change his position for good or worse if he finishes and what Kimi needs at the moment is - kilometres behind the wheel of C4.

Hopefully Latvala will keep the rhythm for the last proper stage of the day and cut some more seconds off from Sordo. Of course, this next stage determines tomorrow's starting order so most likely we'll see some tactics at the front - perhaps Latvala pushed at the front?

[pino makinen]

Just thinking out loud - shouldn't Kimi have retired? He'd have lost only 17.5 mins by Superrally instead of 26 mins!

I think he has done right, he is not fighting for the championship but wants to gain experience.

[Ghostwalker]

Just thinking out loud - shouldn't Kimi have retired? He'd have lost only 17.5 mins by Superrally instead of 26 mins!

what Kimi needs is to drive as much as possible which he will benefit
more from then the 10 minutes he would gain if he would retire and return in super rally.

I dont think it really matters if he is 17min or 26 minutes behind?

[tolis]

What happened to Kuipers's cars??? Both in the bottom of the classification...

[EavesFan09]

Just out of interest does the SWRC and PWRC start seperately to the WRC or do they go off together?

[Wim_Impreza]

What happened to Kuipers's cars??? Both in the bottom of the classification...

Dennis Kuipers was stuck in the snow in SS3 for 27 minutes and there wasn't public on that place. I don't know yet what happened with his father René.

[tolis]

@EavesFan: This is the start list... http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=40b&season=2010&rally_id=S
Look at the start time and you'll understand. SWRC begins from number 21...
Thanks Wim... ;)

[Koppomsbo]

Tactics or not? SS7 is on

[White Sauron]

I think Mikko will keep the lead.

[serial jeff]

Did JML stop?

[ZequeArgentina]

How can JML stops? he has not started yet

[serial jeff]

Isn't he in SS7? I thought I heard on the radio that he stopped, but I'm pretty sure he's still going...

[muscrae]

No tactics I think...
Mikko extends his lead to 8.4sec over Seb...

[jonkka]

don't say yet

[Viking]

No tactics I think...

he (Hirvonen) can check in 1 min late still :)

[Hartusvuori]

don't say yet

Australia?

[jonkka]

Australia?

Canada!

[muscrae]

he (Hirvonen) can check in 1 min late still :)

Yeapp, okey.. :)

[jonkka]

Vädret prognosis isn't snowing so maybe it's no reason to avoid running first

[pettersolberg29]

Personally, I didn't realise how slow drivers like Wilson and Al-Qassami are, but Petter is ahead of Al-Qassami despite his crash, and is as fast as Wilson even with a damaged car. They really are useless aren't they... ;)

[serial jeff]

Petter is very slow... looks like Sweden is basically a write-off for him. Hopefully he can remember how to drive for Mexico.

Dani has been very impressive, though.

[pettersolberg29]

Petter is very slow... looks like Sweden is basically a write-off for him. Hopefully he can remember how to drive for Mexico.


He is slow now due to heavy damage. Points are still possible - he's only about 2 mins behind 10th with 200km to go.

But you're right regarding a good result/podium. Other championship contenders may still retire though. They are the words of a hopeful Solberg fan.

[serial jeff]

Marcus is very quick so far in SS7!

[kolvas]

Marcus is very quick so far in SS7!
He´s pissed off now and doesn´t hold back on anything right now!

[JFL]

would be interesting to see some footage from sss1. where colin said Petters car looked like it was something wrong with.. I'm going to Sweden now, and I'm sure he'll set some good times for us.. :) See ya.. ;)

[EavesFan09]

Ogier going well

[pettersolberg29]

Have fun JFL! I hope Petter delivers the goods for you, and me.

[muscrae]

Ogier going well

If he sets the consistency (He's doing well on that day by day), then I believe he has a potential to compete for the top spot, like Dani as we see in here...

[N.O.T]

after the first day everything is as expected with the only exception the pace of Latvala....Fast guys remain fast and the slow ones remain slow...

Ogier has a rather good pace so far for the conditions.

Does anyone know if Rautenbach will compete this year ?? we need a 3 way battle between the 10 year future plan guys wilson and kimmi

[jonkka]

Does anyone know if Rautenbach will compete this year ??

I hope NOT.

[Tomi]

Canada!

kyllä lähtee :D

[pettersolberg29]

N.O.T - When you can't even spell Kimi's first name then you are the one with problems ;) His second name is admittedly tough, but Kimi is only 4 letters and only 3 different letters.

[Mauri A]

Strange comment from Latvala. He was not happy after the previous stage, (which he won) but now it feels better, even though he lost many secs!

[PeteRobs]

Vädret prognosis isn't snowing so maybe it's no reason to avoid running first

I rememebr years ago Makkenin and Erricsson fighting for mitsubishi, Tommi was first on road day one and was pulling away then it snowed and Kenneth pulled it back and led going into day 2 it snowed like hell over night and Kenneth was loosing time like you do if first on road on a dry Rally Austrailia. Mitsubishi then called team orders and let Kenneth have the win.

When theres no fresh snow 1st on the road apparently an advantage so hopefully Mika can pull away

[EavesFan09]

If he sets the consistency (He's doing well on that day by day), then I believe he has a potential to compete for the top spot, like Dani as we see in here...

I am just going by times. I am trying to hear on wrc.com for hints from the commentators as to how good or bad a driver is doing but it is hard. And even though Ogier is a Citroen driver with the Junior team his 5th so far isn't what I expected. Though he has been consistently either 5th or 6th and haven't fallen or risen much at all in the overall standing.

Peter van Merksteijn Jnr has climbed from 20th to 12th overall.

[darkstar]

Strange comment from Latvala. He was not happy after the previous stage, (which he won) but now it feels better, even though he lost many secs!

hehe :D at last he stays on the road in a good position!

[Mauri A]

I rememebr years ago Makkenin and Erricsson fighting for mitsubishi, Tommi was first on road day one and was pulling away then it snowed and Kenneth pulled it back and led going into day 2 it snowed like hell over night and Kenneth was loosing time like you do if first on road on a dry Rally Austrailia. Mitsubishi then called team orders and let Kenneth have the win.

When theres no fresh snow 1st on the road apparently an advantage so hopefully Mika can pull away
BTW, who are Makkenin, Erricson and Mika?

[jonkka]

I rememebr years ago Makkenin and Erricsson fighting for mitsubishi

Yeh, that was 1995. Tommi was forced to lose and put up quite a demonstration on the final day - going like a hell to take the lead and then stopped before flying finish of the final stage right in front of the cameras. Next year Kenneth was not with the team and Tommi won fairly.

[muscrae]

I am just going by times.

Ok then...

[EavesFan09]

BTW, who are Makkenin, Erricson and Mika?

Tommi?

[Mirek]

4th broken rear window in Fiestas (Prokop for second time) :D

[satukata]

Kimi faster than slowson!!!

[pettersolberg29]

Not impressed by Kimi's attitude. People laugh it off as 'oh well, he's a huge F1 star so he doesn't have to talk with us peasants' but IMO that is wrong. WRC drivers should talk to the press at the end of the stage - it's the unwritten rule. He's doing nothing to endear himself to the rally public.

[kolvas]

what is wrong with Kimi?

[EavesFan09]

Sandell reckons he is confident of chasing Prokpop.

[Tomi]

So there is still a bit life in Bosse after all, not bad for a tourist :)

[jonkka]

what is wrong with Kimi?

He's alcoholic in making.

[EavesFan09]

Whose talking now on wrc.com? Intereference.

[kolvas]

Kimi faster than slowson!!!

a friend of mine reported that Wilsons rear wheel pointed in a funny direction

[ZequeArgentina]

I am just going by times. I am trying to hear on wrc.com for hints from the commentators as to how good or bad a driver is doing but it is hard. And even though Ogier is a Citroen driver with the Junior team his 5th so far isn't what I expected. Though he has been consistently either 5th or 6th and haven't fallen or risen much at all in the overall standing.

Peter van Merksteijn Jnr has climbed from 20th to 12th overall.

And what did you expected from Ogier? a podium on first day? outpacing Latvala, Hirvonen, Loeb on snow???
Fro me, he is doing better than expected.

Quite strange that windows cracking in the fiestas, something to do with a vibration o flexion? souds strange only Fiestas are broking side windows (If they happen to be some trees close to he road or something similar).

Funny commnet from Prokop, he "was freezing like hell" (hell is usually associated wuth burning flames...)

[PeteRobs]

excuse me i didnt realise it was a spelling test on here,

Tommi Makinen 4 time world Rally champion

Kenneth Ericsson Mitsubishi and Subaru works driver

[Mauri A]

Not impressed by Kimi's attitude. People laugh it off as 'oh well, he's a huge F1 star so he doesn't have to talk with us peasants' but IMO that is wrong. WRC drivers should talk to the press at the end of the stage - it's the unwritten rule. He's doing nothing to endear himself to the rally public.
Fully agreed, as I said in my earlier post, when does he start to behave. I think Lindström has to give him a few lessons!

[EavesFan09]

Semerand happy despite puncture.

[kolvas]

And what did you expected from Ogier? a podium on first day? outpacing Latvala, Hirvonen, Loeb on snow???
Fro me, he is doing better than expected.

Quite strange that windows cracking in the fiestas, something to do with a vibration o flexion? souds strange only Fiestas are broking side windows (If they happen to be some trees close to he road or something similar).

Funny commnet from Prokop, he "was freezing like hell" (hell is usually associated wuth burning flames...)
Not in Sweden :D

[miksu]

Fully agreed, as I said in my earlier post, when does he start to behave. I think Lindström has to give him a few lessons!

I was just thinking, that at one point he must say something to Kimi. He must feel its bit odd also. Especially in rally its so important to hear what driver says after each stage, cause we cant see what has been happening there. Its not so much tv sport like F1, more like internet and radio sport.

[Mauri A]

He's alcoholic in making.
That´s a comment you should apologise, or are you and N.O.T allied forces?

[JFL]

N.O.T - When you can't even spell Kimi's first name then you are the one with problems ;) His second name is admittedly tough, but Kimi is only 4 letters and only 3 different letters.

He managed to write the name of his favourite driver correctly.. Witch is'nt easy for anyone.. : Rautenbach

[ProRally]

]4th broken rear window in Fiestas (Prokop for second time) :D

For sure a van is driving from M-Sport to Hagfors.... :D :D :D :D

[EavesFan09]

And what did you expected from Ogier? a podium on first day? outpacing Latvala, Hirvonen, Loeb on snow???
Fro me, he is doing better than expected.

I certainly did not expect him to outpace the likes of Latvala and Hirvonen orget a podium. I know nowt about him. I just saw his consistency over this 1st day and assumed he was certainly not expected to do as well as many thought. It ain't a name I would have put as high.

[Hartusvuori]

Kenneth Ericsson Mitsubishi and Subaru works driver

Almost korrekt.

I don't know could Lindström teach Kimi anything on behaving. Looking at the onboards it's like overhearing what teens talk at the closest shopping center. But Kimi had his act back together well on SS7. Perhaps tomorrow he'll made a stage with less than 1,5s/km to the fastest time.

[Boudica]

Fully agreed, as I said in my earlier post, when does he start to behave. I think Lindström has to give him a few lessons!

That is just Kimi, it is not an attitude thing. He used to get stick for it in F1, but after a while everyone just accepted it. Besides half of the time he is usually inaudible. :p :

[jonkka]

That´s a comment you should apologise, or are you and N.O.T allied forces?

Takes one to know one - and besides, it isn't exactly a secret.

[jonas_mcrae]

Nice rally so far, disapointed by petter really, nice to see ogier doing so well, he is the next seb (literally). Also a shame gronholm lost some time, he was doing well.

ps. have to say I really like Slowson's new livery (even though he is still very slow) it looks a little bit the old stobart livery Higgins used a few years ago, plus the monster energy sponsor goes well with the dark green

[Langdale Forest]

Looking foward to seeing the video of the Wilson -Solberg crash on wrc.com.

[Mauri A]

That is just Kimi, it is not an attitude thing. He used to get stick for it in F1, but after a while everyone just accepted it. Besides half of the time he is usually inaudible. :p :
You can be sure that the rally people will never accept behaviour like that.
I´ve been acting in rally world since sixties and he is the the only one of his kind. No matter if he is inaudible half of the time, but when it comes to "don´t want to talk" during a rally, it´s not acceptable.

[Langdale Forest]

Motorsport News alway made fun of him in the UK when he was doing F1, I guess that this will continue into the WRC.

[Simmi]

You can be sure that the rally people will never accept behaviour like that.
I´ve been acting in rally world since sixties and he is the the only one of his kind. No matter if he is inaudible half of the time, but when it comes to "don´t want to talk" during a rally, it´s not acceptable.

Yeah I can't think of any guys really who just refused point blank to talk. I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt on the first day of his first WRC event in a WRC etc etc. As the season unfolds I would hope that he opens up.

[Mauri A]

Takes one to know one - and besides, it isn't exactly a secret.
We all know that he isn´t a teetotaller, but how do you know that it has influence in his driving?

[Langdale Forest]

I guess that Raikkonen might bring the controvesy of F1 into the WRC.

[EavesFan09]

ps. have to say I really like Slowson's new livery (even though he is still very slow) it looks a little bit the old stobart livery Higgins used a few years ago, plus the monster energy sponsor goes well with the dark green

Which driver are you talking about? Michael Slowow?

[Langdale Forest]

I can almost garantee that he is talking about Matthew Wilson.

[pettersolberg29]

Matthew Wilson - he's slow hence the nickname

[Langdale Forest]

To be fair, he is not slow at all, he would be a good driver on smaller events but he is not world class.

[EavesFan09]

To be fair, he is not slow at all, he would be a good driver on smaller events but he is not world class.

7th overall from 10th.

[Langdale Forest]

???

[pettersolberg29]

To be fair, he is not slow at all, he would be a good driver on smaller events but he is not world class.

Very true actually. This is going to sound hypocritical, but it annoys me when people disrespect Wilson. He's a nice lad, great to watch onstage, and could, if the conditions were right, challenge for top 5 or even podium.

Another good time for Mikkelsen - within 4s of Tuohino now. Looking forward to seeing more of him this year. Awesome by PG but we could expect no less.

Bit disappointed by Kimi's slow times and crash. He was better on Arctic in comparison to Sordo. Marcus and Petter also disappointed, even before thier respective offs. Both have had only one stage where they looked good and without there incidents would be roughly +90s after only one day. Still hope for points for Petter even if they are low points. 8th is as much as I dare hope for.

The win? IMO it's between Loeb and Mikko despite Sordo's very, very impressive pace. The battle with JML for 3rd should be an interesting one. Ogier also going surprisingly well - one of very few drivers to not have a problem (except the overshhot everyone had!).

Look forward to tomorrow. Starts at 06:58 for us in the UK so may miss the first stage as Petter isn't fighting up there. Hope everyone on the stages is having a good time.

[mm1]

I must admit that on stages Wilson always looks better than his times are telling.

[noel157]

Very true actually. This is going to sound hypocritical, but it annoys me when people disrespect Wilson. He's a nice lad, great to watch onstage, and could, if the conditions were right, challenge for top 5 or even podium.


No doubt he is a nice lad but under what conditions could he challenge for a podium?

[Josti]

Oh god, another Wilson discussion, really?

He's ok, nothing special right now and never will be. End of story.

[Ghostwalker]

dont know if this have been mentioned before but Ramona and Miriam wont be at SS8 due a broken rear axle.

They will restart tomorrow.

http://www.sr.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2505&grupp=10239&artikel=3440014

[Hartusvuori]

Lindström speaks about Kimi's off for MTV3: (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/02/1055581)

It first was a small spin after a crest. They had to drive 20 metres to opposite direction to turn the car around by handbrake. There were snow in the radiator, so windscreen wentmisty. Kimi drove slowly, but said he couldn't see anything, that they had to wait for the radiator to warm up and mist to clear out. At that time car hit a snowbank and stayed there. Lindström went to warn other competitors when Kimi tried to dig the car up alone with small garden shovel they carried in the car. They thought a help would arrive, but instead it was a TV group that declined to help and filmed everything. There were no spectators at the point to help.

Sic transit gloria mundi.

[jonas_mcrae]

Oh come on! I was just talking about the livery!