Swedish Rally 2010

[Viking]

Citroën fights back

http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/shakedown03.pdf

[Koppomsbo]

the past has shown that sd times are often worth nothing, but that makes me still more excited. the power densitiy is very high this year. a lot of drivers witch are realy strong!

sordo has blown them away: http://www.rallysweden.com/WordPress/wrc/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/shakedown03.pdf

:up:

and now times for S2000 is coming in also

[swordsman]

I'm afraid it will be more of this in the future, when new countries joins as arrangers, and dont really know what they get in to.
According to Clarin the swedes can not run their rally every year anyway, no money.

Do you have a quote for this? No offense - and I can't say you are wrong - but it sounds like a misunderstanding. While I was working at the rally we often discussed the economical problem of NOT having the rally every year at the office. There was no talks whatsoever about problems with having it every year - only the problems of not having an annual arrangement like signing sponsors "without an event", not being able to have personnel on full-time and all-around-the-year basis, etc, etc. (that's much more possible with an event every year than every two years, since the planning time is very much spanning in a one year cycle)

[darkstar]

:up:

and now times for S2000 is coming in also

wow, prokops time is sick :eek:

[Ghostwalker]

swordsman even though i have never been involved with the rally i've heard the same as you that the economic issues is that the rally is only held every 2nd year and that was the cause to slim the part of the organization that receives salary.

But doesn/didint RS and Rally Norway share allot of the paid staff to decrease the effects of only having a rally every 2nd year? or fdid it never happen?

[Hartusvuori]

Funny enough that whoever is updating the rally website decided (knowing or not) to put a picture from Monte for the shakedown article (http://www.rallysweden.com/wrc/en/?p=221). It's a good picture, but still...

Every rally, at this moment, people me included are tempted to draw conclusions from the SD times though we shouldn't. However, if Sordo would keep the fastest pace at the rally also and win it, wouldn't it be the best possible kick-off for the season - fan glasses off - competion-wise? But as we know it's only SD. WRC needs new winners badly though - Latvala did it in 2008, Hirvonen in 2006 and Duval in 2005 and then we have to go back to 2003 (Märtin) and 2002 (Solberg, Loeb), so it doesn't make a nice story.

[Buzz Lightyear]

wow, prokops time is sick :eek:

what exactly did you expect?

[swordsman]

swordsman even though i have never been involved with the rally i've heard the same as you that the economic issues is that the rally is only held every 2nd year and that was the cause to slim the part of the organization that receives salary.

But doesn/didint RS and Rally Norway share allot of the paid staff to decrease the effects of only having a rally every 2nd year? or fdid it never happen?

From what I know they have shared some personnel (a few people) during a longer planning phase, but mostly during the rally itself (mostly the rally week). The problem is that it's consultancy deals and for sure it brings higher costs for them both (even though I guess they very much get payed back the year after their own rally when the other "rent back"). It's a more expensive and a difficult way to work... Norweigans live in Norway, Swedes in Sweden - and it gives a lot of travel etc. So... I think it's helping a bit, but not solving the problem. However, remember I don't have the exact facts and knowledge.

[Tomi]

Do you have a quote for this? No offense - and I can't say you are wrong - but it sounds like a misunderstanding. While I was working at the rally we often discussed the economical problem of NOT having the rally every year at the office. There was no talks whatsoever about problems with having it every year - only the problems of not having an annual arrangement like signing sponsors "without an event", not being able to have personnel on full-time and all-around-the-year basis, etc, etc. (that's much more possible with an event every year than every two years, since the planning time is very much spanning in a one year cycle)

he said this in swedish rally radio 2 years back.

[swordsman]

he said this in swedish rally radio 2 years back.

Thanks! That's really strange... I certainly don't want to miscredit what you say, but I think it's some kind of misunderstanding. I worked their until 2007 and our discussions was exactly the opposite - that it's difficult to run a WRC rally without having it every year.

[Tomi]

Thanks! That's really strange... I certainly don't want to miscredit what you say, but I think it's some kind of misunderstanding. I worked their until 2007 and our discussions was exactly the opposite - that it's difficult to run a WRC rally without having it every year.

We talked with you about this before too, and about the meetings that did lead to this.

[swordsman]

We talked with you about this before too, and about the meetings that did lead to this.

Is it true? Don't remember actually, sorry. Been into so many discussions :D What was our conclusion?

[Tomi]

Is it true? Don't remember actually, sorry. Been into so many discussions :D What was our conclusion?

Dont remember, but u did PM how I knew about something you had some big argue about in your Rally Sweden meeting. :)

[MHjerpe]

Hey Lovebirds... It's a new rally, begins today..... don't argue the past.. :)

[Roy]

http://twitpic.com/12ka77

Gronholms Focus

[swordsman]

Dont remember, but u did PM how I knew about something you had some big argue about in your Rally Sweden meeting. :)

Ahh, now I remember perfectly. Haha. Thanks for the reminder!

However, that wasn't (at least from my point of view) exactly the same discussion. It was more about wether the the Swedish Rally should support (by personnel, knowledge, etc) the Norweigans or not. But not from the perspective of the own rally being run just every second year, because everyone at the rally have always seemed to consider that as a bad idea that is difficult to handle in practice (=economically).

However, it's interesting. I'll try to ask the guys this weekend to make the image a bit clearer :D

[noel157]

Marcus does look very gaunt:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/64537019.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1265884953&Signature=MZTq%2FrlModT44wCvvj9GfMOzTKc%3D

[JFL]

Marcus does look very gaunt:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/64537019.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1265884953&Signature=MZTq%2FrlModT44wCvvj9GfMOzTKc%3D

?
can't see..

[Tomi]

http://twitpic.com/12ka77

Gronholms Focus

his team mate seems to be his biggest sponsor :D

[jbmarcus21]

Shakedown Results

http://planetemarcus.free.fr/swedenlivereport.htm

1. Sordo 1.54.8
2. Loeb 1.55.3
3. Latvala 1.55.8
4. Hirvonen 1.56.0
5. Gronholm 1.56.2
6. Solberg P. 1.56.3
7. Ogier 1.57.4
8. Solberg H. 1.57.6
9. Ostberg 1.59.0
10. Räikkönen 1.59.3
11. Wilson 1.59.4
12. Alqassimo 2.00.8

[Koppomsbo]

Andersson fastest, but still no time for mikkelsen?

[Viking]

Andersson fastest, but still no time for mikkelsen?

Mikkelsen is not P3 driver

[Viking]

^^
Date: Thursday 11 February
Time:
08:00 - 12:00 Priority 1 and Priority 2 drivers
10:00 - 12:00 Priority 3 drivers
12:30 - 15:00 Non-priority drivers

[noel157]

?
can't see..

Sorry, wrong link to Marcus looking gaunt:

http://twitpic.com/12f92z

[Koppomsbo]

Mikkelsen is not P3 driver

Ok, thanks. And why isnt he? Sorry, i seem to never learn that sh*t

[Viking]

Ok, thanks. And why isnt he? Sorry, i seem to never learn that sh*t

THIRD PRIORITY DRIVERS (P3)
Drivers who:
11.3.1 enter rounds of the Support Championships or the WRC Cup, when scoring points.
11.3.2 are entered by a WRC Team using other than a World Rally car.
11.3.3 enter events as part of the Pirelli Star Driver programme. Exceptionally these drivers may
score points for the FIA Production car World Rally Championship in a minimum of 4 events.

[Koppomsbo]

THIRD PRIORITY DRIVERS (P3)
Drivers who:
11.3.1 enter rounds of the Support Championships or the WRC Cup, when scoring points.
11.3.2 are entered by a WRC Team using other than a World Rally car.
11.3.3 enter events as part of the Pirelli Star Driver programme. Exceptionally these drivers may
score points for the FIA Production car World Rally Championship in a minimum of 4 events.

Great, thanks :up:

[Red bull]

Shakedown Results

http://planetemarcus.free.fr/swedenlivereport.htm

1. Sordo 1.54.8
2. Loeb 1.55.3
3. Latvala 1.55.8
4. Hirvonen 1.56.0
5. Gronholm 1.56.2
6. Solberg P. 1.56.3
7. Ogier 1.57.4
8. Solberg H. 1.57.6
9. Ostberg 1.59.0
10. Räikkönen 1.59.3
11. Wilson 1.59.4
12. Alqassimo 2.00.8
conrad rautenbach not racing? :eek:

[pucky54]

conrad rautenbach not racing? :eek:

He was not even on the entry list, so no, he is not racing

[Rallyper]

Good start for Kimi. He has times around Östberg and Wilson as a beginner.... :eek: :eek:

Petteris the dark horse in this rally. I believe he could win... :s mokin:

[Doon]

Good start for Kimi. He has times around Östberg and Wilson as a beginner.... :eek: :eek:


Kimi had 5 runs though, and Ostberg only 2. If you compare with Kimi's 2nd run time, he was 10s slower than Ostberg!

[Viking]

Some of the drivers saves their "SD tires" as they can add them to the total numbers of tires.

[Sulland]

Have they stopped updating the list, or will the P3 cars also come in to the list ?

[Hartusvuori]

Anyone knows if there's any drama involved to Grönholm's 4th and last run where he timed a minute slower than on his fastest run?

[pino makinen]

Anyone knows if there's any drama involved to Grönholm's 4th and last run where he timed a minute slower than on his fastest run?


Hope there's nothing wrong with the car. I have the hope he battles for the win.

[darkstar]

what exactly did you expect?

defenetly something slower! its a pretty amazing time, istn it? almost as fast as quassimi and wilson...andersson is also amazing.

[chryby]

some pictures from shake:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=651&fseason=2010

[Tomi]

Anyone knows if there's any drama involved to Grönholm's 4th and last run where he timed a minute slower than on his fastest run?

propably nothing, the new rules requires to do 4 passes in shakedown, for the topguys.

[Hartusvuori]

some pictures from shake:
http://www.rally-mania.cz/photogallery.php?id=651&fseason=2010

So Marcus' Focus (EU07SUF) is the same Latvala drove most of 2008 (winning in Sweden) and Aava, Solberg and Villagra drove altogether seven rounds last season.

[Ondra WRC]

Mattias Therman will not go shakedown?

[Hartusvuori]

propably nothing, the new rules requires to do 4 passes in shakedown, for the topguys.

How is this rule? Is it only P1 drivers? For example Östberg who is P2 did only 2 passes.

[chryby]

maybe for manufacturers scoring drivers...?

(loeb, sordo, latva, hirvo, ogi, kimi, marcus & matt)

[Tomi]

How is this rule? Is it only P1 drivers? For example Östberg who is P2 did only 2 passes.

I dont remember exactly, but P1 drivers for sure.

[Hartusvuori]

I dont remember exactly, but P1 drivers for sure.

I bothered: (http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=221&featureid=1765&pageid=2064)


Four passes minimum at Shakedown
A Shakedown stage will be organised as both a media and promotional opportunity, and for competitors to trial their cars. For registered Manufacturers and WRC Teams, each car entered shall complete a minimum of four passages of the Shakedown stage. Shakedown may take place on part of a stage of the rally.

[tolis]

Will any Swedish channel broadcast the SSS live???

[Viking]

I dont remember exactly, but P1 drivers for sure.

registered Manufacturers and WRC Teams

[Tomi]

I bothered: (http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=221&featureid=1765&pageid=2064)

Stupid rule anyway :)

[swordsman]

Will any Swedish channel broadcast the SSS live???

Viasat Motor I think!

[Ghostwalker]

Viasat Motor I think!

yep from 12.30 to 14.00 on Sunday (http://tv.viasatsport.se/chart/?cha=198&cat=&now=&my=&dat=2010-02-14)..

[Sulland]

Is Mikkelsen not doing any shakedown runs ?

[Ondra WRC]

Is Therman not doing any shakedown runs ? :confused:

[tolis]

Thanks mates!!!

[bluuford]

Is Therman not doing any shakedown runs ? :confused:

Usually shakedown is for extra cost fro non priority drivers so, thy usually wont do it, because the stage is too destroyed compared to the normal stages.

[Sulland]

Usually shakedown is for extra cost fro non priority drivers so, thy usually wont do it, because the stage is too destroyed compared to the normal stages.

Ok, that explains it, Thx !

[Ondra WRC]

Thanks bluuford :)

[Viking]

S2000 SD

1. Martin Prokop (Cz)2:01.8
2. P-G Andersson 2:02.1
3. Janne Tuohino (Fin)2:03.3
4. Eyvind Brynildsen (N)2:07.3
5. Patrik Sandell 2:08.9
6. Per-Arne Sääv (S)2:11.0
7. Bernardo Sousa (P)2:10.4

[Hartusvuori]

Btw - it was Therman that got Kimi from behind at recce yesterday, MTV3.fi tells (http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2010/02/1054434) (Finnish).

[Viking]

PWRC SD

1. Grøndal: 2.06.9
2. Semerad: 2.08.1
3. Araujo: 2.08.9
4. Flodin 2.09.2
5. Mohonen 2.14.4

[RS]

If the shakedown times are anything to go by at all, the pWRC crews will not be anywhere close to the sWRC drivers, despite bigger restrictor for 2010.

Looks like the S2000s sit nicely between the middle of the WRCs and "traditional N4s"

[Ghostwalker]

apparently there have been some problem at the Viggen stage during today's recce.
Somewhere on the stage there is a steep uphill slope and it seems that several of the 2wd recce didnt
manage to find enough traction to get up to the top so they got stuck at the beginning of the slope.

Fortunately Jimmy Joge arrived in his 4x4 SUV and towed the cars up the slope.

http://www.sr.se/sida/gruppsida.aspx?programid=2505&grupp=10239&artikel=3436502

[Viridian Black]

I really like the new Stobart liveries. Monster Energy on Matt's car and the black and orange of Henning, very nice. Thanks for pics chryby :up:

[Viking]

Start list todays Super Special
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=40b&season=2010&rally_id=S&sl=1

Start list tomorrow
http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=40b&season=2010&rally_id=S&sl=2

[Mirek]

From what wasn't published so far... Kresta did only one shakedown run with time 2:07,2

[jbmarcus21]

Marcus and others drivers pics

http://planetemarcus.free.fr/photosswedenrally10.htm

[Boudica]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL_9LKq3d-I

[muscrae]

Last 40 min to the brand new season, let's hope this one to be competitive and flamboyant... :)

[dimviii]

Everyone who knows if Gronholms front bumpere is refering at just dogs or sick dogs????? :D
http://www.ewrc.cz/images/2010/wrc/sw/pe_a_3_gronholm_1.jpg

[swordsman]

Come on guys - who wants to be there? :) ---> http://www.maxattack.net/2010/02/right-now-at-karlstad-super-special-stage/

I'm leaving early tomorrow morning.

[subaru 28]

Henning&Ilka go go go

[muscrae]

Here we go, fingers crossed :)

[subaru 28]

so you can see ss live http://bambuser.com/channel/waxi1/broadcast/558243?page_profile_more_nearby=1

[kolvas]

I think this is going to be a very interesting rally.

My hopes is for PG and Petter Solberg and Jari-Matti

[Mirek]

Petter had an off!

[subaru 28]

Petter spin?

[kolvas]

Petter Solberg spins on the superspecial, he got a few bumps in the front

[Hartusvuori]

Minor off, but still +18,3s at this point.

[kolvas]

Henning got stuck in the start and he got confuised by Petters spin

[pettersolberg29]

Typical "Petter" start to an event! At least my hopes are extinguished before they even begin ;)

[mm1]

Gronholm: Didn`t want to make a Petter Solberg here :)

[Hartusvuori]

Funny to hear - if able to - Räikkönen's commenting after stage. Hopefully he grows into a normal rally driver and gives proper comments as the season goes on. And not that bad time by the way.

[jonas_mcrae]

where is andersson's time can't see it!!!!!

se it now, sorry...

[Mirek]

Andersson is currently 11th and 1st in SWRC

[kolvas]

where is andersson's time can't see it!!!!!
49
P-G ANDERSSON

1:36.6

[pettersolberg29]

Will be interesting to see if Petter can catch the 'lower' WRC drivers in the first proper stage, or will 18 secs be too much even to catch Wilson, Ostberg, Kimi etc.?

More likely? He'll be fastest on first and second split, finish the stage 30 secs behind after crash and say 'at least I had the pace at the beginning'. That annoys me!

[Hartusvuori]

where is andersson's time can't see it!!!!!

PG?

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=405&season=2010&rally_id=S


10. 49 P. ANDERSSON 1:36.6 +0.1 +5.2

[Ghostwalker]

apparently Petter hit a tyre stack when going to narrow in a corner and spun. he was just a few millimetres from crashing into a concrete structure.

[Hartusvuori]

Will be interesting to see if Petter can catch the 'lower' WRC drivers in the first proper stage, or will 18 secs be too much even to catch Wilson, Ostberg, Kimi etc.?

More likely? He'll be fastest on first and second split, finish the stage 30 secs behind after crash and say 'at least I had the pace at the beginning'. That annoys me!

Want to join in as a support member to my JML fanclub? We could have meetings and talk our feelings... ;-)

Nice to have the buzz back after three long months.

[RS]

All 3 Fabias very strong, but I expect this on a tight and twisty superspecial :)

[Mirek]

Did I hear well that Tuohino is loosing oil?

[paddocknews]

]Did I hear well that Tuohino is loosing oil?

TUOHINO J. / TUOHINO M. "The oil pressure is low, we hit some snowbank."

[RS]

]Did I hear well that Tuohino is loosing oil?

Vysledky-Rally comments say he hit a snowbank and oil pressure is low.

[pettersolberg29]

Want to join in as a support member to my JML fanclub? We could have meetings and talk our feelings... ;-)


Thing is I couldn't add much to the discussion, except possibly AAAARRRGGHHH! That's the only word to describe what it is like to support Petter, and I assume JML!

[Mirek]

TUOHINO J. / TUOHINO M. "The oil pressure is low, we hit some snowbank."

It's 90 km to service. Is it possible to restart from SS2 or only from SS9 if he doesn't reach service?

[Viking]

Will be interesting to see if Petter can catch the 'lower' WRC drivers in the first proper stage, or will 18 secs be too much even to catch Wilson, Ostberg, Kimi etc.?

More likely? He'll be fastest on first and second split, finish the stage 30 secs behind after crash and say 'at least I had the pace at the beginning'. That annoys me!

Stupid from Petter but 18sec should not ruin his rally, probably some tactics tomorrow also.

[ZequeArgentina]

Thing is I couldn't add much to the discussion, except possibly AAAARRRGGHHH! That's the only word to describe what it is like to support Petter, and I assume JML!

With this type of fans, who needs enemies!!!

[WRC1]

With this type of fans, who needs enemies!!!

with this type of performance, who needs fans!!!??

[PLuto]

Who is interested - today video from shakedown of Rally Sweden (http://www.autosport.cz/video/files/136e79eace78dedce8db3e50cced7792.wmv).

http://www.autosport.cz/img/clanky/b_48d37123138af8e9eec7d387296bfac3.jpg

[ste898]

Ths year is deffo the Privateer teams having the nicer livery......

I cant believe BP Ford hae stuck with that hideous livery again

The new Stobart livery is stunning and the black Focus of the master

also some of the S2000 cars have great liveries.

[Wasted Talent]

Ths year is deffo the Privateer teams having the nicer livery......

I cant believe BP Ford hae stuck with that hideous livery again

The new Stobart livery is stunning and the black Focus of the master

also some of the S2000 cars have great liveries.

Some of the S2000 liveries are very poor - especially the Fiestas

WT

[Josti]

Ths year is deffo the Privateer teams having the nicer livery......

I cant believe BP Ford hae stuck with that hideous livery again

The new Stobart livery is stunning and the black Focus of the master

also some of the S2000 cars have great liveries.

Indeed Ste, the Ford livery is god awful. I'm curious how long the Abu Dhabi deal will run. The Fiesta S2000 'classic blue' livery from Monte Carlo was great on the other hand, and I hope the works team will use it in some sort of way next year.

The winner for me though is Gronholms livery. Reminds me of Ari Vatanen's black Escort from the 1982 British championship. :)

[Tomi]

]Did I hear well that Tuohino is loosing oil?

They said no oil was running out, pity if he has to throw in the towel after a joke stage.

[Ghostwalker]

unofficial results from the SM part of Rally Sweden:

http://193.12.114.105/rally/resultat/tavling.jsp?tavling=376

[Hartusvuori]

- - I'm curious how long the Abu Dhabi deal will run. - - -

The winner for me though is Gronholms livery. Reminds me of Ari Vatanen's black Escort from the 1982 British championship. :)

Not quite sure how long is the current deal with Abu Dhabi, but you must understand their money is what keeps Fords running and to some degree the whole championship.

What comes to Grönholm's livery it's more preciously Therman's livery. It's Therman's sponsors and also the same livery more or less he used on NORF 2009.

Even if I liked Petter's last season colours the new one is good looking in an attacking way. Fine-tuned Stobart cars - both Henning's and Matthew's/Ken's - look better than last season also.

[Tomi]

It's Therman's sponsors and also the same livery more or less he used on NORF 2009.

Actually Therman is propably the biggest investor in that company, other sportsmen too (NHL Hockey players).

[Roy]

Deal with Abu Dhabi is signed until 2012.

[N.O.T]

not many conclusions can be drawn from this mini stage....

[Hipo1990]

Who is interested - today video from shakedown of Rally Sweden (http://www.autosport.cz/video/files/136e79eace78dedce8db3e50cced7792.wmv).



nice video ;)

[Mirek]

Some photos from our friend: http://czech.rallyfans.info/index.php?q=gallery&g2_itemId=30009

[Tomi]

Stupid from Petter but 18sec should not ruin his rally, probably some tactics tomorrow also.

Not so sure about tactics this time, Ford sacrifises Latvala if needed, my guess it will be driving with "straight ankle" from tomorrow morning until sunday.

[Viking]

Not so sure about tactics this time, Ford sacrifises Latvala if needed, my guess it will be driving with "straight ankle" from tomorrow morning until sunday.

Nah, there were talk about not wanna go first on Saturdays "soft" stages, but then again maybe the talking were tactic :)

[Tomi]

Nah, there were talk about not wanna go first on Saturdays "soft" stages, but then again maybe the talking were tactic :)

Latvala want if it benefit Hirvonen and Ford.

[pettersolberg29]

I see the top 4 this time tomorrow being JML, Sordo, Mikko, Loeb but all within about 20 secs due to tactics. Marcus and Petter will be about a minute off the lead, with Ogier close by too.

Tactics will keep a lot of people close to the lead by the end of Friday in my opinion as Loeb and Mikko may have to lose a lot of time.

[Micke_VOC]

http://www.vf.se/Sport/Varmland/Skrall-och-drama-pa-travet-100211.aspx

picture of petters car after the sss.

Now its time to sleep after a verly long day with shakedown and lot of other things..

Tommorow i going to SS3, Viggen.

[bluuford]

I would not call it as a small spin :-)

[Finni2]

I see the top 4 this time tomorrow being JML, Sordo, Mikko, Loeb but all within about 20 secs due to tactics. Marcus and Petter will be about a minute off the lead.

You doubting Thomas. I expect that Grönholm is fighting with top guys. I also guess that Petter will not be minute off despite his 18 sec disadvantage.

But we will see who knew better very soon! :)

[noel157]

You doubting Thomas. I expect that Grönholm is fighting with top guys. I also guess that Petter will not be minute off despite his 18 sec disadvantage.

But we will see who knew better very soon! :)

Petter will be fighting, just hope it'll be for podium.

SD startline this morning, music to the ears:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL_9LKq3d-I

[serial jeff]

You doubting Thomas. I expect that Grönholm is fighting with top guys. I also guess that Petter will not be minute off despite his 18 sec disadvantage.

But we will see who knew better very soon! :)

Agreed... I seriously doubt Sordo will be ahead of Petter or Marcus. JML might be, but I don't think so... I expect by the end of day 1 it'll be Seb and Mikko at the top, with either Marcus or Petter (probably the latter) in third.

[nerdhan]

Ths year is deffo the Privateer teams having the nicer livery......

I cant believe BP Ford hae stuck with that hideous livery again

The new Stobart livery is stunning and the black Focus of the master

also some of the S2000 cars have great liveries.

Very nice but is it me or does the Monster livery look more classier and at home on the Impreza.....

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f22/shreddykrueger/1-1.jpg

[Hipo1990]

http://2010swed0sh.rallybel.be/#463.50 pics from shake

[6789]

Thanks for the pics and videos everyone, looks awesome in Sweden

[Hartusvuori]

Good morning, fellow rallymen! Are we ready? Three minutes until the first proper stage is live.

Any news on Tuohino's Ford - starting to today I hope.

[Julle69]

Good morning!

Does any one have a link where to follow live split and stage times (other than wrc.com)

[jonkka]

2010 season is go... let's see what it looks like... Loeb faster...

[White Sauron]

Mmm... I don't like it Mikko losing so much already... Especially when Sordo's going faster...

[rp]

Very good service, but no splits...

http://www.ewrc-results.com/results_main.php?event=573&stage=10304&category=&group=&section=

[jonkka]

Sordo being fastest

[jonkka]

But no more...

[pettersolberg29]

No splits for Petter?

[Alpha]

Everyone, live rally chat here: http://www.allaboutrally.com/
Come join in!

[rp]

Interesting to see how much faster Kimi can be than Wilson or Al Qassimi...

[Hartusvuori]

Looks like Grönholm and Petter must work harder if they want that podium finish they've (media?) talked about so much. Not surprises yet - hopefully Mikko will bite back on next stages.

[Hartusvuori]

Interesting to see how much faster Kimi can be than Wilson or Al Qassimi...

Al Qassimi stopped on stage, via WRR.

[jonkka]

Al Qassimi stopped on stage, via WRR.

That'll be a cold wait for a man used to a warmer climate :)

[Langdale Forest]

Petter Solberg a long way off the lead!

[Hartusvuori]

That'll be a cold wait for a man used to a warmer climate :)

They give him a push - he's back on the move :-)

[MHjerpe]

Where is the Live dashboard they had on WRC.com ? miss it... don't like to reload 3 different pages to get the latest info... was nice with one "popup" that showed the lastes all the time.

[Langdale Forest]

Kaqimmi has stopped

[jonkka]

who?

[Langdale Forest]

The 'live dashboard' went years ago.

[Langdale Forest]

who?

Khalid AL QASSIMI

[Hartusvuori]

Kaqimmi has stopped

Is that Kimi and Al Qassimi mangled together? Kimi was stuck behind Al Qassimi's snow dust for some half of the stage. I'll wait for the Finnish yellow press headlines... +56s compared to Loeb.

[Audimadgeoff]

Why didn't Khalid think to pull over and wait for the car behind to pass? Maybe the WRC needs a sentinel type of system?

[Langdale Forest]

I don't understand.

[Halvis]

Petter too slow, Marcus even slower. Hmmm.

Except for Marcus, this looks pretty much like last year.

[Mirek]

Prokop had an off at the end of stage. he had to restart engine.

Sousa was also off.

Tuohino has problems with misty windscreen.

Semerád without turbo.

[MHjerpe]

The 'live dashboard' went years ago.

Still miss it though :)

[Sarac330d]

Andersson faster than Sandell 20 sec, that 1sec/km, way to much?

[WRCfan]

Hopefully Bosse just finding his feet and pace increases as day goes on. Al Qassimi needs a talking to if he held other cars up for a half stage. Sentinel call is quite good!!

[Koppomsbo]

Goood Mooooorning All! :d

[MHjerpe]

.. PG is so fast :)

[Koppomsbo]

.. PG is so fast :)

:up:

[blissard]

Missing a lot of splits.

[FAlonso]

Quick question: does anyone know if Anders Gröndal is eligible for PWRC points? I noticed that he appears on the overall classification but not on the PWRC one. Thx

[rp]

Andersson faster than Sandell 20 sec, that 1sec/km, way to much?

P-G is much faster driver than Sandell. No doubt about that. He showed his speed in the JWRC and behind the wheel of the SX 4 WRC and last year with the old Fabia WRC taking incredible two SS wins in Norway.

And Tuohino is the snow expert and 8,8 secs difference to P-G shows that he is good driver, but not in the same class as Andersson...

[darkstar]

andersson is amazing! i think he will get a championchip point and he defenetly receives a workscockpit!

[rp]

Quick question: does anyone know if Anders Gröndal is eligible for PWRC points? I noticed that he appears on the overall classification but not on the PWRC one. Thx

Yes he is.. Late PCWRC entry, but drives also NZ, FIN, J, F and GB. And Veronica will be his codriver! She is Mads Ostberg´s girl friend...

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pr ... 0_upd.aspx (http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2010/Pages/pwrc_2010_upd.aspx)

[Mirek]

Great time for Ott Tänak, he is fastest in production car so far.

[mm1]

Nice time by Tanak, fastest group N!

[A.F.F.]

:wave:

Hello guys !

Citroen duo in the lead? WTF is that about?

[FAlonso]

[quote="rp"]Yes he is.. Late PCWRC entry, but drives also NZ, FIN, J, F and GB. And Veronica will be his codriver! She is Mads Ostberg´s girl friend...

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2010/Pages/pwrc_2010_upd.aspx[/QUOTE

It´s weird then that his name doesn't appear on the PWRC classification. Might be related to the lateness of the entry or something like that. Thanks

[MHjerpe]

andersson is amazing! i think he will get a championchip point and he defenetly receives a workscockpit!

he sure do... hope he can get wilson to and stay in front of him :)

[FAlonso]

Yes he is.. Late PCWRC entry, but drives also NZ, FIN, J, F and GB. And Veronica will be his codriver! She is Mads Ostberg´s girl friend...

http://www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/wrc/2010/Pages/pwrc_2010_upd.aspx

It´s weird then that his name doesn't appear on the PWRC classification. Might be related to the lateness of the entry or something like that. Thanks

[Mirek]

Where is Ketomaki?

[Sarac330d]

P-G is much faster driver than Sandell. No doubt about that. He showed his speed in the JWRC and behind the wheel of the SX 4 WRC and last year with the old Fabia WRC taking incredible two SS wins in Norway.

And Tuohino is the snow expert and 8,8 secs difference to P-G shows that he is good driver, but not in the same class as Andersson...

1 sec/km is very big difference, knowing that they have same spec cars. I know what is look like when i am slower 0.5 sec/km than my own time, than i can imagine what is look like when somebody is faster 1 sec/km in same car.

[N.O.T]

Happy season everyone......i will keep you entertained thoughout so relax and enjoy the ride...

some comments from ss1

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "The conditions are good to be first on the stage, it's good."

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "Not so fast, we could do it better.

SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. "Everything is OK, the stage was quite fast."

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "It was big mistake yesterday, I hope today it will be OK."

GRÖNHOLM M. / RAUTIAINEN T. "I drive too cautious, I break down too early."

and of course the one and only.....

RÄIKKÖNEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K.
"We ran more than a half of the stage behind Khalid, we didn't see anything."

[Mirek]

1 sec/km is very big difference, knowing that they have same spec cars.

They don't have same spec. Sandell's car is equal to works Skoda ones, PG's car is normal private car ;)

[jonkka]

i will keep you entertained thoughout

Have you found religion? Or are you through with the "sick dog" speeches?

[pucky54]

]They don't have same spec. Sandell's car is equal to works Skoda ones, PG's car is normal private car ;)

Yes, Andersson is driving a JM car :)

[N.O.T]

Loeb on ss2

[Hartusvuori]

SS3 is live.

[jonkka]

And Mikko is still slower...

[Leon]

Happy season everyone......i will keep you entertained thoughout so relax and enjoy the ride...

some comments from ss1

LOEB S. / ELENA D. "The conditions are good to be first on the stage, it's good."

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. "Not so fast, we could do it better.

SORDO D. / MARTÍ M. "Everything is OK, the stage was quite fast."

SOLBERG P. / MILLS P. "It was big mistake yesterday, I hope today it will be OK."

GRÖNHOLM M. / RAUTIAINEN T. "I drive too cautious, I break down too early."

and of course the one and only.....

RÄIKKÖNEN K. / LINDSTRÖM K.
"We ran more than a half of the stage behind Khalid, we didn't see anything."

Are you the sponsor of Marcus front bumper?

[Sarac330d]

]They don't have same spec. Sandell's car is equal to works Skoda ones, PG's car is normal private car ;)

Than Sandell will have even bigger problem to try to catch him.

[jonkka]

+2.7s... ouch...

[N.O.T]

Did Hirvonens alarm clock rang this morning ???

[MHjerpe]

Ramona have "taped" over the camera that was on their faces :)

[White Sauron]

Even Sordo's if faster than Mikko and Jari-Matti... That's not good for Ford.

[Julle69]

andersson is amazing! i think he will get a championchip point and he defenetly receives a workscockpit!

Yes he will, next season when there is lot more teams. Nice to see fast swedish rally driver again, PG is good. So Kimi lost time behind Khalid in previous stage?

[miksu]

Sordo is faster than Mikko... I'm tired of his "i was too carefull" comments in the end of the stages. He just doesnt have the courage.

[N.O.T]

sordo is really pushing !!! nice ....

[N.O.T]

Sordo is faster than Mikko... I'm tired of his "i was too carefull" comments in the end of the stages. He just doesnt have the courage.

its just the second stage of the season....lets not jump in conclusions that fast....

[N.O.T]

2.8 seconds the final gap....

[Hartusvuori]

+2,8 for Mikko compared to Loeb. Wake the f*** up now!

[N.O.T]

you finnish guys have no patience.....

[pettersolberg29]

I'd love it if Petter was only +2.8s! Too early for Mikko fans to moan.

[N.O.T]

i think splits froze....its called the iceman effect...

[jonkka]

ai-jai-jaa.... tänä aamuna en ole ottanut vielä yhtään tuikkua

[N.O.T]

nice start from wrc.com.....

[rp]

No need to be worried about Hirvonen´s speed. He is just waiting for saturday´s stage and keeping the difference to Loeb below 10 seconds...

[jonkka]

Well, I would NOT have cared to know the results...

[pettersolberg29]

Pathetic isn't it. It can't even do total stage times...

[rp]

SS3 times:
1) Loeb 10.50,7
2) Sordo 10.51,5.
3) Hirvonen 10.53,5.
4) Latvala 10.58,5.

[jonkka]

So Sordo got time?

[Hartusvuori]

Direction is not correct. Okey, +4,5 overall isn't that much, but Mikko needs to show that he's able to bite back. In psychological warfare Mikko is the underdog. He needs to step up. And usually Loeb isn't at his best on mornings, but that's mainly on Saturday mornings, though. But like said, definitely too early to cut along the blue lines.

Latvala +7,8s. That I'm not worried about. I'm quite confident he'll catch Sordo at least tomorrow afternoon, though Sordo is getting faster and faster on snow as well as on gravel.

[Rallyper]

SS3 times:
1) Loeb 10.50,7
2) Sordo 10.51,5.
3) Hirvonen 10.53,5.
4) Latvala 10.58,5.

You got through the wrc narrow server? :(

[Sulland]

i think splits froze....its called the iceman effect...

For once a good one NOT, I am impressed - keep it up !

[Koppomsbo]

Ramona have "taped" over the camera that was on their faces :)

to bad :D

[rp]

SS3 times:
1) Loeb 10.50,7
2) Sordo 10.51,5.
3) Hirvonen 10.53,5.
4) Latvala 10.58,5.
5) P. Solberg 10.59,9.
6) H. Solberg 11.06,4.

Total:
1) Loeb 23.58,1
2) Sordo +1,8
3) Hirvonen +4,5
4) Latvala +11,9
5) H. Solberg +36,7
6) P. Solberg +37,6

[A.F.F.]

Didn't Mikko say that there's no way he is going to be first on the road on saturday ?? If he said it indeed, he could be more rude about it. Push like hell today and then make a ridiculous tactics. IMO the farce with starting order might as weel start right here, from Sweden.

[N.O.T]

I think Wilson Jr is a legend......i like him.

[N.O.T]

can someone bring Mr Marcus some anti-rust cream ??

[pettersolberg29]

Great start for Ogier - very impressive on his least-experienced surface.

[noel157]

I think Wilson Jr is a legend......i like him.

Yep a legend, nearly 2 secs a km off the pace on SS3. At that rate there'll be a few S2Ks cruising past him.

[Viking]

was this the year Wilson should fight for podiums??

[Buzz Lightyear]

Reaility check for Hirvonen. Who is the daddy!?
He seems to have forgot that Loeb gave away 40 points later year

[mm1]

5th year of 5 year plan :)

[noel157]

Kimi is at the same pace as Wilson, going to get embarassing.

[noel157]

JM said "make our role better than last year". Roll? Hope not.

[N.O.T]

ogier is fighting with the has been club.....

Raikonen is matching Wilsons pace.....

[FAlonso]

Good time from Kimi.

[noel157]

Good time from Kimi.

????

[Viking]

Wow Sandell should have been wery fast to the first split if he lost 10sec in the start like he said ;)

[Viking]

Brynildsen??

[Sulland]

Must have had a small off !

[Wim_Impreza]

Wow Sandell should have been wery fast to the first split if he lost 10sec in the start like he said ;)

He said that there was a lot of snow some days ago, but that isn't true.

[MHjerpe]

to bad :D

The Tape went off before the stage.. and even now with sound to :)

[noel157]

Where's PG gone?

Edit - Ok, time just in.

[Viking]

The Tape went off before the stage.. and even now with sound to :)

Bad hair day?? :D

[Koppomsbo]

seems like the Likenäs stage has stopped for the National Championship??

[Julle69]

Good time from Kimi.
Intresting to see how much he can improve when stages will be driven second time...

[Mirek]

Ketomaki has time on SS3 but no time on SS2. WTF?

Nyman lost left front wheel on SS2.

[pettersolberg29]

Does being on the pace of Wilson count as good? I know it's his first rally, but that is not where I expected him to be. I hoped for him to be nearer Henning.

[WRC1]

seems someone from wrc.com is following this thread...

gröndal is PWRC-driver from 3rd stage on ;)

[pettersolberg29]

Mikkelsen on Tuohino's pace - not bad at all.

[noel157]

Does being on the pace of Wilson count as good? I know it's his first rally, but that is not where I expected him to be. I hoped for him to be nearer Henning.

I thought he has had poor times so far but staying with Wilson is not too bad considering first WRC and he only has a 12 month plan.

[rp]

seems someone from wrc.com is following this thread...

gröndal is PWRC-driver from 3rd stage on ;)

Well done! It is their job, but many times it seems that the only professionals are in this Forum :-)

[Tomi]

Quite as expected sofar, will be interesting to see how much Ogier will improve on the second pass.

[Mirek]

Brynildsen had a spin into snowbank and had to stop and clear radiator from snow.

[Hartusvuori]

Brynildsen??

WRR: Spun, got stuck on snowbank, had to stop to clear the snow from the radiator and air filter. Thus the time loss.

[MHjerpe]

Ramona starts.. live :)

[Barreis]

What about Kresta?

[Mirek]

Looks like a snowbank, strange that Gassner who started right behind has almost same lost time...

[jonkka]

JML is not living up to my expectations...

[pettersolberg29]

I'm very close to giving up on Petter completely...

[RS]

JML is not living up to my expectations...

In that he is still on the road?

[jonkka]

I'm very close to giving up on Petter completely...

Yeh, gaining only 0,3s on Henning is quite a little...

[jonkka]

In that he is still on the road?

Heh... No, in that he's not faster than he is... Maybe that's part of his plan to stay on the road till the finishing line...

[Ghostwalker]

no ramona!!! mistake :(

[FAlonso]

I think J-M is following his orders. Taking it easy at the start and still keeping the top 3 (Sordo in particular) within striking distance. Solberg on the other hand has been disappointing thus far. I was expecting a much more competitive drive from him.

[MHjerpe]

Ramona had 2 small offs.. and car after went in to her..

[Sulland]

Yeh, gaining only 0,3s on Henning is quite a little...

He was very cryptic on the radio, very unlike him - something is cooking there !
I think he wanted too much yesterday, and today he has been told to tune it down a bit, but it might be something with the car as well.

Henning need to change the gearbox.

[Tomi]

I think he wanted too much yesterday, and today he has been told to tune it down a bit.

By who, is he not his own boss ?

[RS]

Heh... No, in that he's not faster than he is... Maybe that's part of his plan to stay on the road till the finishing line...

For me, JML already lost some of his speed last year. According to a previous post on this forum, he is under instructions just to back up Mikko this year.

[Koppomsbo]

Ramona had 2 small offs.. and car after went in to her..

Only cosmetic damages i hope..

[mm1]

Ostberg faster than Peter in the old scoob

[Sulland]

By who, is he not his own boss ?

Hopefully mr Rees has a role to talk to him and advice !

[Rally Hokkaido]

Only cosmetic damages i hope..

XD......I now have a mental image of her lipstick, mascara, etc now rolling around on the floor.

[Ucci]

M.Gronholm said many times, he will fight for a win here in Sweden. But, looking on the results after SS4, I don't see happening this forcast!

[Sulland]

Ken Rees said on the WRR that Petter did not recognize the car from testing, and that they have found something on service that they have changed, and that it had to do with lack of time in conjunction with the rapair after the SSS. Lets see if he is right, and the pace pics up !

[N.O.T]

hmmm i cannot decide which brings more profit....Throwing money in the sea or sponsoring Solberg ??

Ogier beating decicively Gronholm so far its a good sign especially on this surface.....

I am really happy Kimi is the WRC....i really am...where is his spoke person Budica to bombard us with his walls of text about him ?? i need info....