British Superbike Championship Mallory Park [Archive]

themo

17th July 2009, 14:55

Superbikes 1st Free Practice

1. Tommy Hill GBR Worx Crescent Suzuki 56.440secs
2. Leon Camier GBR Airwaves Yamaha 56.756secs
3. Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda 56.920secs
4. Steve Brogan GBR HM Plant Honda 57.030secs
5. Simon Andrews GBR MSS Colchester Kawasaki 57.087secs
6. Chris Walker GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 57.143secs
7. James Ellison GBR Airwaves Yamaha 57.275secs
8. Stuart Easton GBR Hydrex Honda 57.388secs
9. John Laverty IRL Buildbase Kawasaki 57.392secs
10. Josh Brookes AUS HM Plant Honda 57.445secs
11. Richard Cooper GBR Team Co-ordit Yamaha 57.491secs Cup
12. Tristan Palmer GBR Buildbase Kawasaki 57.491secs
13. David Johnson AUS Team Maxxis Adept Yamaha 57.535secs
14. Graeme Gowland GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 57.652secs
15. Gary Mason GBR Quay Honda 57.743secs Cup
16. Atsushi Watanabe JPN Relentless TAS Suzuki 57.973secs
17. Julien Da Costa FRA MSS Colchester Kawasaki 87.023secs
18. Tommy Bridewell GBR Team NB Suzuki 58.076secs Cup
19. Peter Hickman GBR Ultimate Yamaha 58.082secs Cup
20. Kenny Gilbertson GBR JX Fuelcard Kawasaki 58.330secs Cup
21. Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge Doodson Honda 58.357secs Cup
22. Ian Lowry GBR Relentless TAS Suzuki 58.803secs
23. Martin Jessopp GBR Riders Racing Honda 59.548secs Cup
24. Aaron Zanotti GBR Red Viper Honda 59.806secs
25. Michael Rutter GBR SMT Honda 1min 00.665secs
26. Michael Howarth GBR MV Agusta-JHS Racing 1min 02.360secs

themo

17th July 2009, 14:58

Tommy Hill marked his return to the ViSK.com British Superbike Championship in style by claiming the fastest time in opening free practice for round seven at Mallory Park.
Hill makes his debut for the Suzuki Worx Crescent team this weekend having been called upon to the replace Michael Rutter

themo

17th July 2009, 21:56

Superbikes 2nd free practice

1. Tommy Hill GBR Worx Crescent Suzuki 56.227secs
2. Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda 56.591secs
3. James Ellison GBR Airwaves Yamaha 56.594secs
4. Chris Walker GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 56.689secs
5. John Laverty IRL Buildbase Kawasaki 56.841secs
6. Josh Brookes AUS HM Plant Honda 56.898secs
7. Steve Brogan GBR HM Plant Honda 56.915secs
8. Julien Da Costa FRA MSS Colchester Kawasaki 57.003secs
9. Stuart Easton GBR Hydrex Honda 57.005secs
10. Graeme Gowland GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 57.115secs
11. Michael Rutter GBR SMT Honda 57.182secs
12. Ian Lowry GBR Relentless TAS Suzuki 57.236secs
13. Tommy Bridewell GBR Team NB Suzuki 57.240secs Cup
14. David Johnson AUS Team Maxxis Adept Yamaha 57.265secs
15. Richard Cooper GBR Team Co-ordit Yamaha 57.304secs
16. Gary Mason GBR Quay Honda 57.333secs Cup
17. Simon Andrews GBR MSS Colchester Kawasaki 57.580secs
18. Tristan Palmer GBR Buildbase Kawasaki 57.614secs
19. Atsushi Watanabe JPN Relentless TAS Suzuki 57.680secs
20. Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge Doodson Honda 57.720secs Cup
21. Kenny Gilbertson GBR JX Fuelcard Kawasaki 57.814secs Cup
22. Peter Hickman GBR Ultimate Yamaha 58.062secs Cup
23. Martin Jessopp GBR Riders Racing Honda 58.905secs Cup
24. Aaron Zanotti GBR Red Viper Honda 59.152secs
25. Michael Howarth GBR MV Agusta-JHS Racing 1min 01.078secs
26. Leon Camier GBR Airwaves Yamaha No Time

themo

17th July 2009, 21:58

Leon Camier didn't post a time after technical difficulties forced him to miss the session entirely.

Rod Richardson

17th July 2009, 22:34

Hill shaping up well so far which is inspiring for Worx Crescent Zook........also impressed by Steve Brogan being well up there.
I wish this series was shown live on TV in Oz.

themo

17th July 2009, 22:53

Is British Superbikes shown in oz,how long is the delay ?

Mach24

18th July 2009, 07:31

BSB is not shown in OZ, well not free to air anyhow.

It may be on pay TV, but if your paying, download it.

Wim_Impreza

18th July 2009, 08:38

Great to see that Tommy Hill is very fast in practices. Hopefully he can do well in qualifying and win a race this weekend. I hope Brendan Roberts can get a good result this weekend in Supersport.

themo

18th July 2009, 15:57

Superbikes 3rd free practice

1. Tommy Hill GBR Worx Crescent Suzuki 56.251secs
2. Richard Cooper GBR Team Co-ordit Yamaha 56.455secs Cup
3. Chris Walker GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 56.568secs
4. Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda 56.613secs
5. Simon Andrews GBR MSS Colchester Kawasaki 56.698secs
6. Josh Brookes AUS HM Plant Honda 56.767secs
7. John Laverty IRL Buildbase Kawasaki 56.790secs
8. James Ellison GBR Airwaves Yamaha 56.819secs
9. Gary Mason GBR Quay Honda 56.843secs Cup
10. Graeme Gowland GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 56.865secs
11. Stuart Easton GBR Hydrex Honda 56.923secs
12. Steve Brogan GBR HM Plant Honda 56.932secs
13. Julien Da Costa FRA MSS Colchester Kawasaki 56.936secs
14. Michael Rutter GBR SMT Honda 56.944secs
15. David Johnson AUS Team Maxxis Adept Yamaha 56.994secs
16. Tristan Palmer GBR Buildbase Kawasaki 57.104secs
17. Leon Camier GBR Airwaves Yamaha 57.187secs
18. Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge Doodson Honda 57.270secs Cup
19. Tommy Bridewell GBR Team NB Suzuki 57.411secs Cup
20. Atsushi Watanabe JPN Relentless TAS Suzuki 57.510secs
21. Ian Lowry GBR Relentless TAS Suzuki 57.512secs
22. Kenny Gilbertson GBR JX Fuelcard Kawasaki 57.700secs Cup
23. Martin Jessopp GBR Riders Racing Honda 58.441secs Cup
24. Aaron Zanotti GBR Red Viper Honda 58.646secs
25. Michael Howarth GBR MV Agusta-JHS Racing 1min 00.442secs
26. Peter Hickman GBR Ultimate Yamaha No Time Cup

themo

18th July 2009, 16:01

Riders elminated after roll for pole Q1: Tunstall, Gilbertson, Brogan, Jessopp, Zanotti, Howarth

themo

18th July 2009, 16:23

Riders elminated after roll for pole Q2
Rutter, Da Costa, Palmer, Johnson, Watanabe, Mason, Brookes, Lowry, Hickman, Bridewell

themo

18th July 2009, 16:40

Final Postions after roll for pole Q3

1.Leon Camier (Airwaves Yamaha) 56.106s
2.Tommy Hill (Worx Crescent Suzuki) +0.179s
3.Chris Walker (Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha) +0.205s
4.Richard Cooper (Co-Ordit Yamaha) +0.329s
5.John Laverty (Buildbase Kawasaki) +0.363s
6.Simon Andrews (MSS Colchester Kawasaki) +0.473s
7.James Ellison (Airwaves Yamaha) +0.531s
8.Karl Harris (Hydrex Honda) +0.589s
9.Graeme Gowland (Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha) +0.626s
10.Stuart Easton (Hydrex Honda) +0.626s

Allyc85

18th July 2009, 21:57

Great job by Tommy Hill, was sad for him that WSB didnt work out. Just hope he can stop Camier winning lol.

Rod Richardson

18th July 2009, 22:14

Good result for Camier after his technical problems but even better to see Hill and Walker do well on this tight track clearly highlighted by Billy McConnell's pole time on the Supersport being quicker than 5th place time in sbk pole although he had 24 laps in which to achieve that.

The Hondas don't figure until 8th place in sbk so Brookes from 17th has a seemingly impossible task ahead.

Wim_Impreza

18th July 2009, 22:17

Brendan Roberts showed that the level in British Supersport is high too, only 16th in qualifying.

The Honda's will have difficult races this weekend in BSB, that is for sure. I hope Hill can win a race tomorrow or Walker should be also great.

Rod Richardson

19th July 2009, 00:45

Hallet resting against the wall on his Supersport at Mallory Parkhttp://www.britishsuperbike.com/umbraco/imagegen.ashx?image=/media/554998/090718DR1983.jpg&height=500&allowupsizing=false&compression=90&overlayimage=/data/assets/bsb/images/watermarks/bsb.png&valign=bottom&align=right&overlaymargin=10&format=jpg

racer69

19th July 2009, 06:06

Is British Superbikes shown in oz,how long is the delay ?

They usually show them on Pay tv in December/January, thats what they did with the 2008 series anyway

gco0307

19th July 2009, 08:27

Is British Superbikes shown in oz,how long is the delay ?

Not on free to air and often near 12 months behind on Austra.

But, not sure if Justin.tv shows it - http://www.justin.tv/directory/sports

They do show a fair bit of motorsports (including GP practice sessions etc), just not sure about BSB

Gaz

themo

19th July 2009, 21:15

Superbikes Race 1 results

1. James Ellison GBR Airwaves Yamaha 21mins 01.786secs 22 laps
2. Leon Camier GBR Airwaves Yamaha +4.345secs
3. Graeme Gowland GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha +7.401secs
4. Michael Rutter GBR SMT Honda +9.701secs
5. Julien Da Costa FRA MSS Colchester Kawasaki +12.870secs
6. Gary Mason GBR Quay Honda +13.504secs Cup
7. Steve Brogan GBR HM Plant Honda +15.617secs
8. Ian Lowry GBR Relentless TAS Suzuki +17.531secs
9. David Johnson AUS Team Maxxis Adept Yamaha +18.568secs
10. Tristan Palmer GBR Buildbase Kawasaki +20.443secs
11. Tommy Bridewell GBR Team NB Suzuki +20.614secs Cup
12. Peter Hickman GBR Ultimate Yamaha +22.413secs Cup
13. Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge Doodson Honda +28.248secs Cup
14. Atsushi Watanabe JPN Relentless TAS Suzuki +32.548secs
15. Kenny Gilbertson GBR Jx Fuelcards Kawasaki +32.825secs Cup

16. Martin Jessopp GBR Riders Racing Honda +1 lap Cup

Not classified:

17. Simon Andrews GBR MSS Colchester Kawasaki 22 laps completed
18. Josh Brookes AUS HM Plant Honda 22 laps completed
19. Chris Walker GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha 22 laps completed
20. Tommy Hill GBR Worx Crescent Suzuki 22 laps completed
21. Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda 22 laps completed
22. John Laverty IRL Buildbase Kawasaki 22 laps completed
23. Stuart Easton GBR Hydrex Honda 12 laps completed
24. Aaron Zanotti GBR Red Viper Honda 10 laps completed
25. Michael Howarth GBR STP-JHS MV Agusta 7 laps completed
26. Richard Cooper GBR Co-ordit Yamaha 0 laps completed Cup

themo

19th July 2009, 21:18

James Ellison has won his second ViSK.com British Superbike race of the season in extraordinary circumstances after an accident eight laps from the chequered flag eliminated the top six riders.

A four-way battle for the lead between Simon Andrews, Tommy Hill, Chris Walker and Josh Brookes came to a sudden conclusion when fourth place Brookes, whilst attempting to pass Walker at the hairpin, appeared to lose control of his bike and hit leader Andrews.

Kicking off a chain of events that would see Hill and Walker fall too, then Karl Harris and John Laverty would also hit the deck as the red flag was shown.

themo

19th July 2009, 21:24

Superbikes Race 2 Results

1. Leon Camier GBR Airwaves Yamaha 15mins 34.550secs 15 laps
2. James Ellison GBR Airwaves Yamaha +2.032
3. Chris Walker GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha +3.738secs
4. John Laverty IRL Buildbase Kawasaki +4.385secs
5. Richard Cooper GBR Co-ordit Yamaha +5.134secs Cup
6. Michael Rutter GBR SMT Honda +6.504secs
7. Karl Harris GBR Hydrex Honda +8.580secs
8. Tommy Hill GBR Worx Crescent Suzuki +18.674secs
9. Steve Brogan GBR HM Plant Honda +27.661secs
10. Julien Da Costa FRA MSS Colchester Kawasaki +27.904secs
11. David Johnson AUS Team Maxxis Adept Yamaha +36.805secs
12. Tristan Palmer GBR Buildbase Kawasaki +37.624secs
13. Graeme Gowland GBR Motorpoint/Henderson Yamaha +44.808secs
14. Peter Hickman GBR Ultimate Yamaha +50.870secs Cup
15. Simon Andrews GBR MSS Colchester Kawasaki +52.800secs

16. Kenny Gilbertson GBR Jx Fuelcards Kawasaki +55.625secs Cup
17. Tom Tunstall GBR Hardinge Doodson Honda +57.119secs Cup
18. Gary Mason GBR Quay Honda +59.479secs Cup
19. Atsushi Watanabe JPN Relentless TAS Suzuki +1 lap
20. Ian Lowry GBR Relentless TAS Suzuki +1 lap
21. Aaron Zanotti GBR Red Viper Honda +1 lap
22. Martin Jessopp GBR Riders Racing Honda +1 lap Cup
23. Michael Howarth GBR STP-JHS MV Agusta +2 laps

themo

19th July 2009, 23:25

Championship Standings after Mallory Park

Leon CAMIER (Yamaha) 299.5
James ELLISON (Yamaha) 224
Stuart EASTON (Honda) 173
Glen RICHARDS (Honda) 103
Josh BROOKES (Honda) 99
Simon ANDREWS (Kawasaki) 92.5
Karl HARRIS (Honda) 91.5
Chris WALKER (Yamaha) 87
Ian LOWRY (Suzuki) 86 3
Julien DA COSTA (Kawasaki) 80
Sylvain GUINTOLI (Suzuki) 77
Gary MASON (Honda) 75
Graeme GOWLAND (Yamaha) 70.5
John LAVERTY (Kawasaki) 54.5
Jason O'HALLORAN (Honda) 54
Michael RUTTER (Honda) 54
Tristan PALMER (Kawasaki) 30
Jon KIRKHAM (Yamaha) 20
Tommy BRIDEWELL (Suzuki) 20
Steve PLATER (Honda) 16
Peter HICKMAN (Yamaha) 16
David JOHNSON (Yamaha) 14.5
Atsushi WATANABE (Suzuki) 13
Steve BROGAN (Honda) 12.5
Tom TUNSTALL (Honda) 9
Martin JESSOPP (Honda) 7
Richard COOPER (Yamaha) 5.5
Tommy HILL (Suzuki) 4
Aaron ZANOTTI (Honda) 1
Kenny GILBERTSON (Kawasaki) 1

Rod Richardson

19th July 2009, 23:30

Brookes' had no way of making the turn at that speed in Race 1...... absolutely reckless

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-0JDD-0BQc

Quote from the MSVR site:....................................

Stuart Higgs, the Series Director of the ViSK British Superbike Championship in association with Pirelli, has explained the regulations relevant to the declaration of the result of race one of the seventh round at Mallory Park. The race was red-flagged with the riders on lap 23 because of a seven rider incident at the Hairpin.
James Ellison continued and was classified with the victory, ahead of Leon Camier and Graeme Gowland.
"The moment the race is stopped, you take a snap-shot of the situation and you eliminate all of those who are not racing - the only riders who can be classified in the results are those who are still racing," explained Higgs.
Following the publication of the result, Higgs met with the Team's Liaison Group, formed to deal with situations like this that arise during events, and he explained the regulations to Havier Beltran (HM Plant Honda), Jack Valentine (Worx Crescent Suzuki), Colin Wright (Airwaves Yamaha), Nick Morgan (MSS Colchester Kawasaki) and Rob McElnea (Motorpoint Henderson Yamaha) who accepted this.
The relevant regulation, published in the 2009 MCRCB Yearbook is 1.10.1.3 (a regulation that has been in place since 1995 when the MCRCB was established).
"If a race has to be stopped after the leader has completed two thirds of the original race distance, rounded down to the nearest number of laps, it will be considered to have finished.
a) The order of classification shall be based upon the order of last crossing the finish line prior to the showing of the red flag, and only competitors who are racing at the showing of the red flag will be classified."
Higgs added "While I'm clearly very unhappy that the spectacle of the best race of the year so far has been ruined, the application of the rules in respect of the race result is correct."

MY COMMENT.........Surely it was not the intention of the people who drafted and approved this Regulation for the innocent victims of this type of collision caused solely by the reckless riding of Brookes to be excluded from the results.

themo

19th July 2009, 23:36

Half points awarded in race 2

The Phantom

20th July 2009, 07:25

Pretty wild crash - haven't seen one like that since Yanagawa was taken out in the Corkscrew.

He was in hot alright, but was there something on that inside line that lead to a loss of traction? I can't imagine why else there were so many other bikes down as well, and they seemed to be down well before the actual point of impact between Brookes and Andrew's bikes?

Glen 320

20th July 2009, 18:17

Stalker should have chinned brookes,what a muppet!

themo

20th July 2009, 21:23

Stalker should have chinned brookes,what a muppet!
I thought he was going to

themo

21st July 2009, 23:13

HM Plant Honda rider Josh Brookes has been handed a two event (four race) ban after causing a massive pile-up at the Mallory Park Hairpin in Sunday's first BSB race.

Brookes lost control of his bike on the brakes and skittled race leader Simon Andrews to trigger a seven-bike pile up which brought out the red flag.

No riders were injured but Brookes was found guilty of reckless riding and riding in a manner not compatible with general safety.

The ban means Brookes will miss the Brands Hatch and Cadwell BSB rounds but he also has to serve a further one event ban, suspended for two events (Croft and Silverstone).

This is the second time this year the Aussie BSB rookie has suffered a judicial penalty for reckless riding.

He was served a ban, suspended for three events, after crashing into Sylvain Guintoli on the sighting lap of the first race at Donington Park.

Guintoli suffered a broken leg and has not raced since.

patnicholls

22nd July 2009, 00:40

On the red flag issue, we have discussed this last year actually:

http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129559

As the rule is written for BSB, it clearly has backfired in this instance with the first six riders in the race all being removed from the eventual result because of the oil getting spilled when Josh torpedoed Simon Andrews. So it makes the rule look silly in this case, frankly.

Also - Michael Rutter fell as part of the pile-up (I'm pretty sure of this - anyone with the footage on hand can check and correct me if nec.), but AFTER the red flag had been thrown. So he was classified in the results according to the wording of the rules! Crazy.

NinjaMaster

22nd July 2009, 11:09

It's a shame for Brookes. He's been around a long time and has never been a reckless rider but his two significant mistakes have destroyed his reputation.

ArmchairBikeFan

22nd July 2009, 21:48

He was in hot alright, but was there something on that inside line that lead to a loss of traction? I can't imagine why else there were so many other bikes down as well, and they seemed to be down well before the actual point of impact between Brookes and Andrew's bikes?

The line Brookes was on is very bumpy, which is probably why he lost it, and why the bike flew out of control when the back wheel came down. It seems that his bike spilled some kind of fluid which took out most of the other riders. Very unlucky to take that many people out with one moment of stupidity.

The Phantom

23rd July 2009, 00:00

Thanks ArmchairBikeFan, I've watched it again and as it's such a tight corner it wouldn't take much fluid on the track to bring a bike down.

Ninja is right, until this season Brookes has been reliable and consistent on track. I shared a pit garage with him at Oran Park when he was 18, I was racing a VFR400 and he was getting in tracktime on his Australian Superbike Fireblade - I thought he was a very switched on and sensible guy. What a shame he's gone and done this.

gco0307

23rd July 2009, 07:56

The line Brookes was on is very bumpy, which is probably why he lost it, and why the bike flew out of control when the back wheel came down. It seems that his bike spilled some kind of fluid which took out most of the other riders. Very unlucky to take that many people out with one moment of stupidity.

Oh god, not to start an argument but I am not convinced at all that the fluid allegedly dropped by Brookes bike caused the following riders to fall (with the possible exception of the last rider in who comes in late) and instead contend that they fell of their own accord in a separate incident (albeit impacted by Brookes/Andrews).

Assuming the 'fluid' if the visible brown line that can be seen in the video I contend that the other riders were well inside of it as that line appeared on the circuit. Further, if you slow the video down you will see that the 'brown' line (which looks like oil or fuel) is actually the result of an earlier separate crash (stop the video at 17seconds and follow the mark into the grass).

To me, Brookes clearly impacts Andrews and Andrews alone due to his actions which were exacerbated by hard braking and the hitting of a bump. He does not impact any other riders nor does he or Andrew or their machines impede the paths of the following riders. So, why do they fall?

Of course, if there is other fluid dropped by Brookes bike (water, glycol etc) this would possibly not be clear on the video and may have caused the incident, but Brookes bikes does not appear damaged sufficiently for these to have occurred (have been unable to find after video).

If fluid was on the track from Brookes bike (let us say oil/glycol) then why are there no other fallers in the remainder of the video and why do all riders still running appear to go through at or near normal race pace?

When you look at the video around the 17second mark the white bike following is on the line of the marks that appear to indicate an earlier crash (the marks referred to earlier and that follow Brookes body off the circuit). Was there an accident at that point on the previous lap?

IMO, Brookes has been blamed for bringing all riders down which is unfair as he played no real part in the following riders, they had their own accident (again, based on video only) and it is this accident that caused the Red Flag.

Garry

gco0307

23rd July 2009, 08:04

It's a shame for Brookes. He's been around a long time and has never been a reckless rider but his two significant mistakes have destroyed his reputation.

Correct my, but for the Guintoli ioncident there was conjecture and doubt as to the 'true' casue as he claimed brake failure which was supported by his team, but not the stewards interpretation of the telemetry.

The fact that the incident with Guintoli occured on the warmup lap is what got a lot of comment but crashes do occur on warmup laps and riders have their own techniques for these laps. To some riders a warmup lap is run at halfpace with acceleration/braking whereas to others it is run at near race pace to focus their mind.

As I have not seen footage I cannot judge for myself so reserve judgement.

To me, just because a similar incident has occured twice in a short period of time does not make a rider reckless as one needs to look at each incident in isolation in order to determine if their is a pattern. If Brookes is considered reckless than how many other riders are in the same situation because they may have lowsided twice and cleaned up competitors?

By the way, not attacking your comments in any way, just throwing some thoughts out there.

Garry

NinjaMaster

23rd July 2009, 14:46

Correct my, but for the Guintoli ioncident there was conjecture and doubt as to the 'true' casue as he claimed brake failure which was supported by his team, but not the stewards interpretation of the telemetry.

The fact that the incident with Guintoli occured on the warmup lap is what got a lot of comment but crashes do occur on warmup laps and riders have their own techniques for these laps. To some riders a warmup lap is run at halfpace with acceleration/braking whereas to others it is run at near race pace to focus their mind.

As I have not seen footage I cannot judge for myself so reserve judgement.

To me, just because a similar incident has occured twice in a short period of time does not make a rider reckless as one needs to look at each incident in isolation in order to determine if their is a pattern. If Brookes is considered reckless than how many other riders are in the same situation because they may have lowsided twice and cleaned up competitors?

By the way, not attacking your comments in any way, just throwing some thoughts out there.

Garry
Not sure you've quite got the intended gist of my comment Garry. I'm not calling Josh reckless by any means but that seems to be his quickly inherited rep after these two incidents due to their results. As I said, he's been around a long time now and has always been hard but sensible.

The Mallory crash, to me, was a small outbraking of himself exacerbated by the loss of control of his bike over the bumpy inside line. It's hard to wash off speed with the bike sideways and in the air!
The Guintoli one is difficult to form any real opinion of due to the conjecture as you say. Going out hard on a warm up/sighting lap isn't a reason for criticism on it's own, as many people have done.

It has been a year from hell for Josh. Hopefully he can keep his ride and set things straight in 2010 against a fit and healthy competition.

gco0307

24th July 2009, 04:35

Not sure you've quite got the intended gist of my comment Garry. I'm not calling Josh reckless by any means but that seems to be his quickly inherited rep after these two incidents due to their results. As I said, he's been around a long time now and has always been hard but sensible.

Ninja, sorry mate if my response confused but no I did not read it that you were calling him reckless as such, but using the term in regards to the reputation that he is gaining.

I simply used your post in my response to highlight that incident and debate the 'reckless' word, not aimed at you personally.

Garry

The Phantom

24th July 2009, 16:39

Well, from here it looks like Garry's use of Ninja's response/comments in the ongoing discussion on Brooke's reputation, was somewhat reckless, and has cast a pall on an otherwise faultless 2009 commentary season by Garry... a pity as he has clearly worked hard and you can't say he's a serial offender in this regard... hopefully the peanut gallery will allow Garry this indiscretion so he can get on with the rest of the season and put it to bed with some good incisive interpretation of both on-track and online (bench) racing.

As for my own, somewhat reckless commentary, I may need to go back to the bench racing rule book to get a determination on whether it is within the spirit of the rules, if not the letter, to comment on commentary after the ingestion of a) red wine, b) good beer, or c) a combination of the above...

:D

Anyway, if I were a convict from the other side of the world and the old country had refused to let me in on some dopey technicality - I'd probably want to throw a motorcycle at a pom too :p and maybe even at a frog for good measure :D

Oh goodness - is that the time? I'll get me coat...

NinjaMaster

25th July 2009, 02:27

Ninja, sorry mate if my response confused but no I did not read it that you were calling him reckless as such, but using the term in regards to the reputation that he is gaining.

I simply used your post in my response to highlight that incident and debate the 'reckless' word, not aimed at you personally.

Garry

No wuckers mate, didn't take it personally, just wasn't sure my intended comment was understood.

Well, from here it looks like Garry's use of Ninja's response/comments in the ongoing discussion on Brooke's reputation, was somewhat reckless, and has cast a pall on an otherwise faultless 2009 commentary season by Garry... a pity as he has clearly worked hard and you can't say he's a serial offender in this regard... hopefully the peanut gallery will allow Garry this indiscretion so he can get on with the rest of the season and put it to bed with some good incisive interpretation of both on-track and online (bench) racing.

As for my own, somewhat reckless commentary, I may need to go back to the bench racing rule book to get a determination on whether it is within the spirit of the rules, if not the letter, to comment on commentary after the ingestion of a) red wine, b) good beer, or c) a combination of the above...

:D

Anyway, if I were a convict from the other side of the world and the old country had refused to let me in on some dopey technicality - I'd probably want to throw a motorcycle at a pom too :p and maybe even at a frog for good measure :D

Oh goodness - is that the time? I'll get me coat...

:rotflmao: I like it.

gco0307

25th July 2009, 08:19