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Giuseppe F1
15th June 2009, 19:53
Is this a clue that Porsche may seriously be looking at F1 again...

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76236

FIA 'surprised' by ACEA's calls

By Jonathan Noble
Monday, June 15th 2009, 13:32 GMT

The FIA has expressed its 'surprise' at last week's statement issued by the European car manufacturers' association ACEA claiming that Formula 1 needs a change of governance.

Following a meeting of the ACEA last week, a statement was issued claiming that the organisation was unhappy about the state of F1 - and that the way the sport was run now could not continue.

That statement has elicited a response from the FIA, which issued a statement on Monday saying it did not understand why the car makers were against plans to reduce costs in F1.

"The FIA is surprised that the European car manufacturers' association ACEA should have rejected the FIA's endeavours to reduce costs in Formula 1," said the statement. "By contrast, the FIA strongly endorses ACEA's call for urgent measures to return the automotive sector to health.

"According to ACEA, 'The European passenger car and commercial vehicle manufacturers are hit extremely hard by the financial crisis and subsequent economic downturn...Vehicle sales have dropped sharply and all automotive manufacturers and suppliers have scaled back production as a consequence.' ACEA describes the crisis facing its members as 'devastating'.

"Accordingly, the FIA's objective is to enable manufacturers in Formula 1 to participate as economically as possible, while maintaining the sporting, technical and marketing benefits that the sport offers.

"By reducing their costs of competition in Formula 1, ACEA's members will be able to apply the much-needed savings to their core business, to finance payroll, working capital, capital investments, marketing programmes and dealer support. This will also reduce the industry's need to seek funding from taxpayers or shareholders.

"The potential savings are not immaterial: reducing the costs of the five manufacturers from the €400 million to €500 million recently reported by Ferrari to even a level of €200 million would release €1 billion to €1.5 billion a year back into the core businesses. Although a team like Ferrari could still spend as much as €200 million despite the FIA's cost reduction programme, others will be able to compete successfully for as little as one third of this figure."

The FIA added that it would be happy to meet representatives of ACEA to discuss the situation.

It also pointed out that German car manufacturer Porsche has also moved to distance itself from the ACEA's stance about F1 - prompting speculation that the German car maker could be looking at an involvement in grand prix racing under planned cost cap regulations.

"The FIA understands that Porsche did not support ACEA's Formula One resolution and has instructed the ACEA secretariat to make this clear in response to any press enquiries," added the FIA statement.

Cozzie
15th June 2009, 23:05
I Really Hope So!!!

ioan
15th June 2009, 23:29
I doubt it.
They have a huge debt and are selling shares worth of almost 9 billions to some Arab guy to stay afloat.

No F1 for Porsche for now an maybe forever. Porsche is and always was about sportcars not F1.

Valve Bounce
16th June 2009, 00:22
I just rushed down to the park with Benny, and this lady who owns a cute little puppy called Coco told me that the man who cleans her apartment heard from his daughters boyfriend's cousin that Porsche are definitely seeking to enter F1.
It must be true then.

veeten
16th June 2009, 03:21
I doubt it.
They have a huge debt and are selling shares worth of almost 9 billions to some Arab guy to stay afloat.
No, but reading this may help to make better sense that the above statement.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajXREBFKFpzo


No F1 for Porsche for now an maybe forever. Porsche is and always was about sportcars not F1.

oh, really? time for another history lesson...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_in_motorsport#Single-seaters

Valve Bounce
16th June 2009, 05:18
Hang on a bit. I'll take Benny down to the park after 4 this arvo and see if I can get a confirmation from my connections.

ioan
16th June 2009, 17:42
oh, really? time for another history lesson...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_in_motorsport#Single-seaters

I know they were an F1 constructor for 2 year in 1961 and 1962 and also that they indulged supplying engines later.

But other than that they ran in sport car racing since the early fifties. How does the two compare?!

Porsche do not care about F1. They produce sport cars and race sport cars, that's it, and it will not change now either because they aren't going to rebuild their image when they have an excellent one already.

ioan
16th June 2009, 17:46
No, but reading this may help to make better sense that the above statement.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=ajXREBFKFpzo



Qatar wants to buy at least 25 percent of Porsche, the people said. A transaction would help Porsche alleviate its 9 billion euros in debt amassed with the purchase of a controlling stake in Volkswagen.

My bad, they are going to cover only 3 billions out of the 9 billions debt they have!

D28
17th June 2009, 02:57
I know they were an F1 constructor for 2 year in 1961 and 1962 and also that they indulged supplying engines later.

But other than that they ran in sport car racing since the early fifties. How does the two compare?!

Porsche do not care about F1. They produce sport cars and race sport cars, that's it, and it will not change now either because they aren't going to rebuild their image when they have an excellent one already.

Surely you damn Porsche with faint praise! Between 1984 and 87 Lauda and Prost won about 25 Grand Prix, 3 Drivers Titles and 2 Constructors titles in Porsche built Tag engined McLarens. If you add in Gurney's win in 62 in the F1 Porsche that makes 26 wins. Imagine what they might have accomplished if they were serious.

anthonyvop
17th June 2009, 03:47
I don't know how the author came to that conclusion.

What I see is Porsche not wanting to tick of Max and the FIA because they sell a lot of cars that race in many series. They could care less about F1.

ArrowsFA1
17th June 2009, 08:20
The FIA added that it would be happy to meet representatives of ACEA to discuss the situation.

It also pointed out that German car manufacturer Porsche has also moved to distance itself from the ACEA's stance about F1 - prompting speculation that the German car maker could be looking at an involvement in grand prix racing under planned cost cap regulations.

"The FIA understands that Porsche did not support ACEA's Formula One resolution and has instructed the ACEA secretariat to make this clear in response to any press enquiries," added the FIA statement.
It's classic Max. It's what he has done, and continues to attempt to do, to the F1 teams. An attempt to drive a wedge between ACEA members by singling out Porsche and from there we get to Porsche thinking about joining Formula Max.

ioan
17th June 2009, 09:25
Surely you damn Porsche with faint praise! Between 1984 and 87 Lauda and Prost won about 25 Grand Prix, 3 Drivers Titles and 2 Constructors titles in Porsche built Tag engined McLarens. If you add in Gurney's win in 62 in the F1 Porsche that makes 26 wins. Imagine what they might have accomplished if they were serious.

Putting an engine in the back of car is nothing like building a F1 car.