Acropolis Rally Thread

[malscar]

Gee Petter dropped a lot of time in the second split.

[Mirek]

Loeb said on the radio that he had multiple roll (6x) and that the car is destroyed.

[Rallyper]

Sandell stopped. Somehow I am not sad. I was very disappointed by his pace here. he should have great advantage with S2000 car here (very twisty and slow track) but he was just a tiny bit faster than Nasser!

Well, Bluuford, we are a lot of people that are sad. :(

And as you know tactics and strategy rather than stagetimes is the important thing in Greece. ;)

[Mirek]

Sordo crashed, two wheels off. Petter probably stood at him.

Yellow flag - stage should be cancelled.

[jonkka]

Oh - so Citroen's points scoring run in 99 consecutive rallies since 2003 Monte Carlo comes to an end?

[jonkka]

]Yellow flag - stage should be cancelled.

Looks like Petter is driving slow because of that

[jonkka]

And no other drivers have started the stage

[awake27]

]Sordo crashed, two wheels off. Petter probably stood at him.

Yellow flag - stage should be cancelled.
Crew injured or road blocked?

[malscar]

Hennig is in stage

[A.F.F.]

I was speculating yesterday that what if one of the former top four makes a mistake and one of them has bad luck... remember WRC1 ??

Maybe I should make a lottery tonight as well :D

[Mirek]

The stage was restarted but Henning crashed probably too :(

[tmx]

Everybody is crashing out. Bad luck for henning, if he was yellow flagged he probably wouldn't have crashes in to the rock.

[jonkka]

What is going on?

:confused:

[malscar]

They are saying the same rock is the problem.

[awake27]

Will Petter get any notional time or he is screwed?

[Mirek]

He will definitely be given notional time, don't worry ;)

[WRC1]

I was speculating yesterday that what if one of the former top four makes a mistake and one of them has bad luck... remember WRC1 ??

Maybe I should make a lottery tonight as well :D

well....yes i remember.
can you send me a pm with the lottery numbers of tomorrow ;)

[alleskids]

only if Petter gets the nominated time of Hirvonen, and even then he is screwed :) . He should be faster than Mikko

[tmx]

Can someone explain how the nominal time given out work? Will Petter be given the same time as the second fastest driver? If in the case Ogier is second fastest, but much slower than Hirvonen, and Petter is given the same time, it would cause Petter to lose advantage and lose time gap to Ogier as well.

[raybak]

Petter's nominal time whould be worked out as a percentage of what his previous times have been compared to the current leader.

Ray

[raybak]

novikov lost a lot of time on split 4!

[A.F.F.]

well....yes i remember.
can you send me a pm with the lottery numbers of tomorrow ;)

I can say them right now, here you go.

1,14,20, I AM ALWAYS RIGHT, 27 and 34.

:D

[A.F.F.]

Loeb's off in his own words:

http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/ralli/uutiset.shtml/arkistot/ralli/2009/06/898430

[raybak]

Why can't Wilson drive like this all the time. Is it only when he is out of contention and no pressure?

Ray

[awake27]

Latvala climbed to 4th (or 5th depending on Petter's situation).

[raybak]

Latvala will be in 5th, Petter 2nd

[Psycho!]

And he takes 8 manu points!!!Please......

[A.F.F.]

And whoopsie daizie, Latvala is back in the game, 14.3 seconds behind Ostberg :D

Maybe that podium I predicted isn't an illusion afterall.

...if he stays on the road.

[azblk]

Mikko will win. Latvala second, Petter third.

[Mirek]

A.F.F.: Are You sitting in Delphi now? :D

[WRC1]

And whoopsie daizie, Latvala is back in the game, 14.3 seconds behind Ostberg :D

Maybe that podium I predicted isn't an illusion afterall.

...if he stays on the road.

i forgot tho power of finnish rally ma... 8)

anybody heard of a bear putting big stones onto the stage??

[Mirek]

Lambros was off road two corners before finish. Car lost some plastic parts but runs ok. Time is good.

Nasser have bent rear suspension arm as almost every rally...

[awake27]

Malcolm Wilson will probably call this one of his best Saturdays, never say die etc etc.

[A.F.F.]

]A.F.F.: Are You sitting in Delphi now? :D

Yep, just placing those stones that are blocking my view....

Whoops, did I say that out loud?

[GigiGalliNo1]

OooooOOooO I'm back for WRC action! :p

[GigiGalliNo1]

Links for Loeb's car? (Photos?)

[noel157]

Links for Loeb's car? (Photos?)

As posted previous page:

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2009/727604.jpg

[GigiGalliNo1]

As posted previous page:

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/ralli/2009/727604.jpg

More? hehe

[Budhardt]

Petter is back to 2nd.

Stewards decided to give Petter Solberg a notional time, exactly as Hirvonen's.

So, it's going to be interesting. :)

[A.F.F.]

Even Mikko now has a brilliant chance to win this rally, he has to think manu points too now that Citroen is out.

Petter on the other hand has nothing loose. This'll be interesting.

I wouldn't mind Petter winning at last :)

[noel157]

Petter is back to 2nd.

Stewards decided to give Petter Solberg a notional time, exactly as Hirvonen's.

So, it's going to be interesting. :)

Haven't seen any times yet, should be around 25 secs behind Hirvonen? No?

[Budhardt]

Haven't seen any times yet, should be around 25 secs behind Hirvonen? No?

no, the gap is a bit smaller ;)

+24.8

[mjh]

Wouldn't go counting manu points just yet..... still got second loop of todays stages, and aghii theodori twice tomorrow too.

This seems like it's going to be one of those last man standing sort of rallies.

[Rallyper]

About PWRC:

Why hasn´t Nasser choosed the second pass of the 2009 PWRC?

Shouldn´t that be done by now? :confused:

[N.O.T]

Acropolis always offers some excitement !!! Hirvonen should take this one very easily if the car doesn't disapoint.....Solberg is no threat speedwise, my guess is Solberg will play tactics and let hirvonen tackle tommorow stages first and then hope that he can be fast enough not to llose the lead on the second loop. remeber we have 2 runs over one of the roughest stages tommorow, Agioi Theodoroi (33kms) in which last year Hirvonen had broken suspension

Athanasoulas is going for the the first major win in an international motorsport event for Greece.....AMAZING !!!!!

[Mauri A]

]Sordo crashed, two wheels off. Petter probably stood at him.

Yellow flag - stage should be cancelled.
What is the purpose of this yellow flag? How is it used and who decides of it´s use?

[Hartusvuori]

This was first time since Finland 2004 that Loeb was left without a stage win on a WRC event he participated.

[Camelopard]

Malcolm Wilson will probably call this one of his best Saturdays, never say die etc etc.

Why say that about Malcolm, why not say that Sordo yet again couldn't produce the results when he was under great pressure and required to. Mind you he may come back for the restart tomorrow and pick up some points, especially if those now in front do something silly.

As an after thought, will it be any suprise if the second string citroens suddenly find a good deal extra speed? (any clandestine meetings between Petter's team and citroen hierarchy?)

[Bazza2541]

Does Polberg have suspension problems?

[Bazza2541]

Apologies.....It was Holberg that had the problems.
Getting delayed info here at the minute.

[N.O.T]

damn no splits for hirvonen...now we must wait until the finish....

[Xsara Fan]

HIRVONEN M. / LEHTINEN J. (st. č. 3) Stojí před RZ / Stopped before stage

[jonkka]

Uh?

[jonkka]

This is going to be another Rally Poland 1973?!?! :eek:

[N.O.T]

what ????

[MikeD]

I think Becks said that Sordo would Superrally tomorrow. Did anybody else hear that?

[noel157]

False alarm? .Vysledky has withdrawn the comment.

[jonkka]

Yet, Mikko has time, 2.9secs slower than Petter and still leading?!?!

:confused:

[N.O.T]

If mikko doesn;t push in this loop tommorow's day can be very interesting....

[noel157]

If Petter has the speed he'll be happy sitting 10 secs or so behind Hirvonen after today and if Ford play silly buggers he should be happy with P1 too.

[lcd]

I think Petter will push harder to end the 1st day, as closer to Miko!

[bluuford]

Have you noticed that Ogier 10 second penalty has been neutralized? Well, not important for Latvala, as he is already in 8 points for Ford (as long as he stays on road).
And have you noticed that if Wilson keeps his speed then there might be three drivers fighting for the last 3 manu points tomorrow (separated with less than 1.5 minutes). Sordo, Henning and Wilson

[Cloverleaf]

I think Petter will push harder to end the 1st day, as closer to Miko!
If his tyres can keep up!

[MikeD]

Anybody knows when was the last time a driver, not nominated for Manu points, won a rally. I remember a Ford winning in the mid-90'ies (Maybe San Remo) which wasn't nominated for Manu points, but has there been any since?

[Priorat]

Anybody knows when was the last time a driver, not nominated for Manu points, won a rally. I remember a Ford winning in the mid-90'ies (Maybe San Remo) which wasn't nominated for Manu points, but has there been any since?

Rovanperä Sweden 2001?

[cyr]

Rovanperä Sweden 2001?

yes and Puras France 2001

[MikeD]

Rovanperä Sweden 2001?

Ahh yes. Thanks :)

[Mirek]

So... Sandell's problem was defective ignition coil.

[cyr]

loeb deutchland 2002

[alleskids]

Citroen Racing has now some magicly-go-faster parts in store which they do not use(for Loeb's car), maybe they should try if these magicly-go-faster parts fit on the Xsara, and steal the win with a second hand car from the newest Ford

[Priorat]

Anybody knows when was the last time a driver, not nominated for Manu points, won a rally. I remember a Ford winning in the mid-90'ies (Maybe San Remo) which wasn't nominated for Manu points, but has there been any since?

And for that win in SanRemo maybe Gianfranco Cunico in 1993 in a Escort Cosworth

[MikeD]

Thanks Cyr & Priorat :)

[Mirek]

Onboard Loeb's crash: http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=300&featureid=1217&desc=Greece%202009:%20Loeb%20crashes%20on%20SS7

[jonkka]

Mikko again w/o splits... teasing Petter...

[N.O.T]

SOLBERG H. / MENKERUD C. Hit the same stone like Sordo

[jonkka]

Where is Ostberg?

[awake27]

]Onboard Loeb's crash: http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=300&featureid=1217&desc=Greece%202009:%20Loeb%20crashes%20on%20SS7
Wow they hit that rock with incredible speed, lucky they have escaped with no injuries.

[Gard]

SOLBERG H. / MENKERUD C. Hit the same stone like Sordo

Can't someone get that bear to clean up after it's finished

[jonkka]

Petter in problems at split 6!

[awake27]

Petter lost time on the last split

[Mirek]

Petter has broken front strut :(

[N.O.T]

Solberg in trouble.....

[jonkka]

Uuuh...

[MikeD]

Petter in problems :(

[jonkka]

Acropolis lives up to it's reputation...

[MikeD]

Petter recons he cannot continue....

[OldF]

My second post today and again I’m referring to old good times when nothing was settled before finish.

[awake27]

So Petter probably out.

Only Hirvonen has not hit trouble in this rally.

[jonkka]

Petter recons he cannot continue....

Well, one more stage in rough conditions with broken strut - I can understand. Which is a pity because this would have been a great result for P.

[OldF]

]Onboard Loeb's crash: http://wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=300&featureid=1217&desc=Greece%202009:%20Loeb%20crashes%20on%20SS7


Could someone translate what Loeb is saying? Does he correct his pace notes?

[alleskids]

well, congratulations for Mikko and Ford for winning the 2009 Acropolis Rally :( . damn, I was hoping for a fight between Solberg and Hirvonen and hoping for the first real privateer win since 1993.

[jbmarcus21]

yess loeb modify the last pacenote corner ;)

[Mirek]

well, congratulations for Mikko and Ford for winning the 2009 Acropolis Rally :( . damn, I was hoping for a fight between Solberg and Hirvonen and hoping for the first real privateer win since 1993.

Still a long and rough way to go... anything may happen.

[jonkka]

No news on Ostberg?

[satukata]

Where is Ostberg?

rally radio dont know where is ostberg

[jonkka]

Gone for beer?

[N.O.T]

ogier now second overall....and don;t rush into conclusions, tommorows day is the roughest of them all.

[Xsara Fan]

Ostberg out - engine.

[Mirek]

Novikov third stage win in the rally in the age of 18 :)

[jonkka]

Ostberg out - engine.

TY

[ZequeArgentina]

Araujo is in form!! he is about to overpass Nasser, and fight fo the championship is still on.

[jbmarcus21]

Could someone translate what Loeb is saying? Does he correct his pace notes?

Loeb said just before impact to Elena ... Delete one "-"

[Mirek]

Lambros said that he is loosing power :(

[awake27]

ogier now second overall....and don;t rush into conclusions, tommorows day is the roughest of them all.
Only luck will deny Hirvonen or Ford anything from there on.

[White Sauron]

Strange that nobody's mentioning that Hirvonen's actually driving very well - fast enough to win stages (or in top-3 - and that's while being first car on the road!!), but at the same time reliable enough to avoid any problems. Don't want to speak too soon, but still.

[Mirek]

Nasser was driving with opened rear door.

[Mauri A]

Strange that nobody's mentioning that Hirvonen's actually driving very well - fast enough to win stages (or in top-3 - and that's while being first car on the road!!), but at the same time reliable enough to avoid any problems. Don't want to speak too soon, but still. No need to mentioning, he´s a good driver!

[jonkka]

Strange that nobody's mentioning that Hirvonen's actually driving very well - fast enough to win stages (or in top-3 - and that's while being first car on the road!!), but at the same time reliable enough to avoid any problems. Don't want to speak too soon, but still.

In fact he's doing exactly what he's been doing past three and half years. I still think that if young driver is forced to play second fiddle to a team leader and assume "safely to the finish" -attitude, he'll never recover from that.

[teufel]

In fact he's doing exactly what he's been doing past three and half years. I still think that if young driver is forced to play second fiddle to a team leader and assume "safely to the finish" -attitude, he'll never recover from that.

agree completely!

[Mauri A]

In fact he's doing exactly what he's been doing past three and half years. I still think that if young driver is forced to play second fiddle to a team leader and assume "safely to the finish" -attitude, he'll never recover from that.
He´s still young and will recover!

[Helstar]

ATHANASSOULAS in 8th position overall lol

And still one day to go :p

Skoda S2000 is really great car, do you know if Mario Fornaris was involved in the project ?

[jbmarcus21]

Solberg drive SS12 !! YESSS !

[A.F.F.]

No need to mentioning, he´s a good driver!

May I salute you with a shot of Sisu, Mauri :)

[jonkka]

He´s still young and will recover!

Gardemeister never did. Seat and Skoda years killed his will to fight.

[A.F.F.]

Gardemeister never did. Seat and Skoda years killed his will to fight.

One word, Rally Norway.

You can't really talk about Hirvonen and Gardemeister in a same sentence. All props for Garde but he just isn't a winner.

[lcd]

Petter won't run ss12...Broken top mount! End of podium dreams here..(?)

[Hartusvuori]

Solberg slow moving might benefit JML if Ogier will have to overtake Petter and might lose some time while doing so.

EDIT: OK. Petter's stopped.

[WRC1]

ATHANASSOULAS in 8th position overall lol

And still one day to go :p

Skoda S2000 is really great car, do you know if Mario Fornaris was involved in the project ?


if the right driver sits in the car...if things dont turn completly arround tomorrow afternoon sandell is out of the game for 2009 pwrc titel...and he sat in this superb car the whole season....

[Mauri A]

May I salute you with a shot of Sisu, Mauri :)
Hölökönkön!

[jonkka]

All props for Garde but he just isn't a winner.

I do disagree strongly but that's academic since only results prove one right or wrong and in Toni's case it's all there and more isn't coming.

[Wim_Impreza]

if the right driver sits in the car...if things dont turn completly arround tomorrow afternoon sandell is out of the game for 2009 pwrc titel...and he sat in this superb car the whole season....

I said more than once that Sandell isn't a talented driver. He is like Rautenbach and Al-Qassimi.

[A.F.F.]

I do disagree strongly but that's academic since only results prove one right or wrong and in Toni's case it's all there and more isn't coming.

Shall we rest our cases and move along ? :)

[jonkka]

Shall we rest our cases and move along ? :)

Grrr... Ärrrr... moooor beeerrrrr...

[teufel]

I said more than once that Sandell isn't a talented driver. He is like Rautenbach and Al-Qassimi.

I don't think that Rautenbach or Al-Quassimi could ever win a pwrc round in any s2000 or groupN car.
But I agree on your opinion that Sandell is not a pure talent!

[Rallyper]

I said more than once that Sandell isn't a talented driver. He is like Rautenbach and Al-Qassimi.

Well, well, I think youré one of those yellous people not to be on serious forums like this.
Sandells problems today was mechanical. He´s a most talented driver, maybe not on tarmac, but rallying is mostly driving on gravel and clay.

So please spare us your silly comments about sandell not being talented. :mad:

[Mirek]

Lambros is loosing very much time with no power :(

[WRC1]

Well, well, I think youré one of those yellous people not to be on serious forums like this.
Sandells problems today was mechanical. He´s a most talented driver, maybe not on tarmac, but rallying is mostly driving on gravel and clay.

So please spare us your silly comments about sandell not being talented. :mad:


...and what was the problem in portugal and first of all in sardinia??

[jonkka]

Grrr... Ärrr...

I gotta say that Petter is one tough customer, dragging himself through with broken strut. However, he would have lost 3 mins less if he had gone superrally...

[jonkka]

Except yeah, this was final stage of the day so no...

[Buzz Lightyear]

Could PS not just have retired at got 5m penalty under SuperRally??

[A.F.F.]

So, what do you know.... Latvala is third. :)


I must keep my head cool until tomorrow.... must keep muy head cooolllllllll

[Mauri A]

So please spare us your silly comments about sandell not being talented. :mad:
Agreed, I´ve never understood people bashing or praising drivers or team people. The results will tell. Sometimes you are lucky, sometimes not, but the good ones are always noticed.

[jonkka]

So, what do you know.... Latvala is third. :)

Grrr... Ärrr... You'rrrrre rrrrrright...

[Rallyper]

...and what was the problem in portugal and first of all in sardinia??

You haven´t seen talented drivers gone off before? In Sardinia he was second losing time to turbocharged car uphill on the last stage.

And some good wins. So fellows keep your negative comments on Sandell for yourselves. That would be best. And wouldn´t show your lack of competence. :o

[teufel]

Matthew has some pretty stage result in this rally! :up: (and that's not bashing)

[Mauri A]

The difference between Ogier and Latvala for the final day is about 0,64 secs/km. Enough?

[Psycho!]

Could PS not just have retired at got 5m penalty under SuperRally??
I think that he would lose 10 minutes and not five...But I am not sure.... :confused:

[Wim_Impreza]

Well, well, I think youré one of those yellous people not to be on serious forums like this.
Sandells problems today was mechanical. He´s a most talented driver, maybe not on tarmac, but rallying is mostly driving on gravel and clay.

So please spare us your silly comments about sandell not being talented. :mad:

He is the only one with a S2000 car that drives a whole PWRC season and still he hasn't done anything fast outside of Sweden and the Norway 2009 round. Sandell is outpaced by Athanassoulas in his first time in the Fabia S2000.

I think you are a bit frustrated that Andersson hasn't drive a WRC seat anymore...

[Mirek]

Lambros lost the lead and the first three PWRC drivers are separated by just 9,9 seconds. Nothing lost for him if the team manage to repair the car.

[WRC1]

In Sardinia he was second losing time to turbocharged car uphill on the last stage.

where there are uphill stages there are also downhill sections...right?

and he was not able to made the gap big enough on the downhill sections to stay in front of a 300 kg heavier car....


And wouldn´t show your lack of competence. :o

if someone searches for reasons like to much uphill sections why he can/will not be champion in the by far best car than you should not call others incompetend....

[Wim_Impreza]

The difference between Ogier and Latvala for the final day is about 0,64 secs/km. Enough?

Yes, if Latvala doesn't make a mistake.

[savvas]

Originally Posted by Mauri A
The difference between Ogier and Latvala for the final day is about 0,64 secs/km. Enough?


Yes, if Latvala doesn't make a mistake.

Better third than nothing.

[ShiftingGears]

If Hirvonen wins his first rally of the season here he will be only 7 points behind Loeb!

(Proof of how bad this points system is)

[Mirek]

He is the only one with a S2000 car that drives a whole PWRC season and still he hasn't done anything fast outside of Sweden and the Norway 2009 round. Sandell is outpaced by Athanassoulas in his first time in the Fabia S2000.

Let's wait if Juho is driving NORF to see the truth ;) S2000 in WRC are not in the same possition against gr.N as in IRC because of not suitable tyres and fuel for them. But I don't take it as some kind of excuses because I don't know how much these things affect their performance.

[Rallyper]

Guys you already forgot wales last year when a broken engine on the last stage was the difference to win Gr N.

So please hold your horses a bit, please. ;)

[A.F.F.]

It just hit me. If the amount of an offs indicates the talent of a driver, my boy Paasonen was the most talented one :bounce:

Well, at least he was noticed....

[COD]

Only Hirvonen has not hit trouble in this rally.

He is slow enough to escape any troube...

[N.O.T]

Athanasoulas reported an engine problem thats why he lost all that time and the lead in PWRC :( :(

[DIMI44]

Guys you already forgot wales last year when a broken engine on the last stage was the difference to win Gr N.

So please hold your horses a bit, please. ;)

SS for tomorrow:
ss No 13 and 16 : 8.98 km.
ss No 15: 11.30 km.
ss No 14 and 17 (last): 33 (thirty three) km.
and they say the temperature will be about 30 degrees at noon time......

[N.O.T]

Although i am not a fan of retirements and prefer straight battles for the win....i must say that acropolis this year sure offers some excitement and nothing can be certain for the winner tommorow.....not the best of rallies as far as spectating but the best for waiting the result infront of a computer this year for sure.

[driveace]

Did i read a thread earlier this year about Loeb winning all the rallies this year,and that he made NO mistakes ,and he was head and shoulders above all the others .And another thread about Latvala should be replaced? I know there is another day tomorrow,but did not a Finnish guy predict that JML could be on the podium on Sunday?
This rally is very interesting !!
And Malcolm has a big smile on his face!

[Rallyper]

It just hit me. If the amount of an offs indicates the talent of a driver, my boy Paasonen was the most talented one :bounce:

Well, at least he was noticed....

Agree :D

[paddocknews]

Loeb's Crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PkCXrV8jxM

[Mirek]

Loeb's crash from outside: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=15922

Realy spectacular one!

EDIT: I'M one mite too slow :)

[blissard]

Henning and Ford delivers protest to FIA:

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dagbladet.no%2F2009%2F06%2F13%2 Fsport%2Fmotorsport%2Frally%2Fhenning_solberg%2Fra lly-vm%2F6704723%2F&sl=no&tl=en&history_state0=

[Psycho!]

Loeb's Crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PkCXrV8jxM
Wow that was horrible and the speed high... :eek: :eek:

[Psycho!]

Petter retired!!!And not only that!!Now he doesn't think of changing a car!!

[HaCo]

Petter retired!!!And not only that!!Now he doesn't think of changing a car!!

What do you mean with changing a car?

Edit: read the article on wrc.com, understand it now :)

[Wim_Impreza]

]Let's wait if Juho is driving NORF to see the truth ;) S2000 in WRC are not in the same possition against gr.N as in IRC because of not suitable tyres and fuel for them. But I don't take it as some kind of excuses because I don't know how much these things affect their performance.

I remember Anton Alén in a Punto S2000 in NORF 2007 and he was clearly much faster than anyone else in N4 until his retirement in SS21 due to a broken engine. ;) He was not much slower than Villagra and faster than Al-Qassimi in their Focus WRC's. The Fabia S2000 is faster and much more reliable than the Punto, so I think if Juha participate in NORF, he will outpace some of the slower WRC's and will be by a huge margin the fastest in N4 / PWRC.

[Woodeye]

Loeb's Crash http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PkCXrV8jxM

Quite bad crash! Seb lost the concentration he said. So he is human after all. :)

[Helstar]

Did i read a thread earlier this year about Loeb winning all the rallies this year,and that he made NO mistakes ,and he was head and shoulders above all the others
Well you can easily see that Loeb does mistakes ... he's not perfect and nobody says that.
BUT he goes off-road like 1-2 times a year at worse ^^ meanwhile he wins lots of rallies, that's the difference.

[HaCo]

I remember Anton Alén in a Punto S2000 in NORF 2007 and he was clearly much faster than anyone else in N4 until his retirement in SS21 due to a broken engine. ;) He was not much slower than Villagra and faster than Al-Qassimi in their Focus WRC's. The Fabia S2000 is faster and much more reliable than the Punto, so I think if Juha participate in NORF, he will outpace some of the slower WRC's and will be by a huge margin the fastest in N4 / PWRC.

Yep, thinking the same, but keep in mind that the N4's have become less limitations in the last years and I think the difference on gravel is smaller than on tarmac between an S2000 and an N4.

[N.O.T]

that must be the worst accident in his career.....

[Hartusvuori]

Interesting to see how quickly Seb is out of the car once it's stopped. 3-4 seconds, I think. C4's belts come off easily, as we know. I'd think he'd be more out of focus (no pun) after such a heavy roll.

[Halvis]

What a day it's been. Haven't been able to follow today, but is updated now. Horrible day for the norwegians, at one point we had three drivers in top 6 and now...nothing.

Feel really sorry for Petter that was really on a roll, as I see the split times, he would have beaten Hirvonen with at least 10, maybe 15 seconds on stage 11 - and then would have been under 10 secs adrift. Too bad for him and for the excitement of the rally, but hey, he shows yet again that he really is up there and that with an even better car he could certainly win rallies again!

[N.O.T]

http://www.rally.gr/default.asp?menu_code=wrc-news-article&race_id=667&article_id=16550

another angle of the Loeb accident

[bluuford]

]Loeb's crash from outside: http://www.katsomo.fi/?progId=15922

Realy spectacular one!

EDIT: I'M one mite too slow :)

Brave cameraman, Look at the direction of that flying wheel with suspension components :-)

[Mirek]

NOT: Can You translate what was the exact problem for Lambros? Was it also an ignition coil like for Sandell?


Λάμπρος Αθανασούλας: «Ήρθαν τα πάνω κάτω, αφού φτάσαμε εδώ στο σέρβις και η διαφορά είναι μικρή, πάλι καλά. Ο κινητήρας δεν ανεβάζει στροφές και έκανα όλη τη 12η ειδική μόνο με 1η και 2η σχέση, ενώ στα κατηφορικά κομμάτια με το ζόρι βάλαμε και 3η». Το πρόβλημα ήταν στον πολλαπλασιαστή. Προληπτικά αλλάχθηκαν όλα τα ηλεκτρικά μέρη του κινητήρα, που δουλεύει κανονικά.

[Ucci]

Novikov stopped on the stage?? This is a race to be forget for Citroën fans....

[MikeD]

Novikov stopped on the stage?? This is a race to be forget for Citroën fans....

Yep :( ... us PSA & Renualt fans are putting all our faith in Peugeot winning at Le Mans right now....

[spyros]

another year,another rally.I'm very happy i was able to watch my favorite sport and after 2 days at the stages im a bit tired.I saw live Seb's roll and scared but those cars are tanks,Novicov is a very fast and talented driver and he has a great future the same goes to Ogier.Latvla was very spectacular and without his exit at ss6 he propably will win this rally,i believe he's the only one can mutch Seb speed.Labros Athanasoulas was very fast and fingers crossed i wish him to win the production,the skoda is very nice car and make a great sound.It seems Hirvonen will win and Wilson ;ll be very happy.
I 'll post pics later.

[bluuford]

So, any guesses is Novikov going to drop behind Sordo with his differential problems? What happened to Solberg protest? any news?

[jonkka]

That would be quite a drop...

[wwbroe]

Looks like JML made a small mistake at the start of the long Agii Theodori stage, because he was loosing allready 7.6 sec compared to Hirvonen, but he is coming back now. ;)

[Camelopard]

Ogier damage as well?

[jonkka]

Oh? What damage?

[wwbroe]

Ogier damage as well?

Seems that he hit some kind of animal? :(

[wwbroe]

Henning looks like he is flying on the splits. ;)

[jonkka]

What was this Henning's protest thing? I saw him raging at Sordo...

[bennizw]

Where did you see that, I would like to see that video clip!

[bluuford]

What was this Henning's protest thing? I saw him raging at Sordo...
When Sordo broke his car, Petter was stopped for a while because of Sordo and Henning was held at the start line (10 minutes). Then he was allowed to drive and marshal directed him at the same rock and it caused him to retire as well.

[jonkka]

Then he was allowed to drive and marshal directed him at the same rock and it caused him to retire as well.

Marshal? Then why did he shout at Sordo?

[MikeD]

Marshal? Then why did he shout at Sordo?

A marshal :) The marshal directed Henning towards the same rock that Sordo hit, but Henning thought that it was Sordos job to call the Ford team and explain where the rock was.

Pretty pathetic behaviour from HSolberg.

[wwbroe]

That looks like a strange story to me, how can a marshall direct him onto a rock? :(

[wwbroe]

Athanassoulas is 7,6 sec faster as Al Attiah on last split, will he take back command in PWRC? :p

[jonkka]

A marshal :) The marshal directed Henning towards the same rock that Sordo hit, but Henning thought that it was Sordos job to call the Ford team and explain where the rock was.

Pretty pathetic behaviour from HSolberg.

Aye - I was thinking the same. I don't say it wouldn't have been gentlemenlike but to expect that sort of behaviour is quite naive and childish.

[A.F.F.]

He didn't on purpose. But way he (marshall) waved his hands looked like he directed Henning to the other side (on the rock side) of the road more than take your pace down. That's way Henning was really mad and came to shout at Sordo in the middle od an interview.

[jonkka]

That's way Henning was really mad and came to shout at Sordo in the middle od an interview.

Did that seem odd to you as well?

[wwbroe]

Athanassoulas is back in front with 4,9 sec advantage on Al Attiyah. ;)

[Tanelv]

Where did you see that, I would like to see that video clip!

It was on the day 2 review on Eurosport yesterday.
You can watch the clip here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yOmnqJdFo

[A.F.F.]

Very odd. How come should Sordo take a phone and call to Ford camp to warn about a rock ??? Stupid though.

I think Henning was so upset about the marshall that didn't know which tree he should bark at :mark:

[jonkka]

I think Henning was so upset about the marshall that didn't know which tree he should bark at :mark:

Likely. That's so unlike what I've come to know Henning (always smiling) that it surprised me.

[jonkka]

Latvala should be on the stage but no sign?

[WRC1]

Athanassoulas is 7,6 sec faster as Al Attiah on last split, will he take back command in PWRC? :p

yes he can ;)

and in the next stage he will take novikovs 7th place

[A.F.F.]

Latvala still in the game :D

[jonkka]

that is a relief...

[MikeD]

Ahh I see we have been "blessed" with 'Simon the pot head' on WRR :rolleyes:

[jonkka]

is he smoking pot?

[MikeD]

is he smoking pot?

He must be. He's is lauging at everything he says (and from the first word in each sentence). Damn irritating type...

PS: Sordo is looking at 3 manu points, keeping the record of Citroën having scored manu points in each rally since they came back i 2003.

[jonkka]

PS: Sordo is looking at 3 manu points, keeping the record of Citroën having scored manu points in each rally since they came back i 2003.

Yeah - 100th consecutive points scoring finish

[MikeD]

Hmmm looks like a stage win between Rautencrash and Wilslow :uhoh:

[jonkka]

Novikov set to lose time

[wwbroe]

Best time for Conrad in stage 15? What is this, now WRC is really becoming a farce. :D :D :D

[jonkka]

Best time for Conrad in stage 15? What is this, now WRC is really becoming a farce. :D :D :D

So many drivers out and leaders are just cruising...

[Kamikaze]

PS: Sordo is looking at 3 manu points, keeping the record of Citroën having scored manu points in each rally since they came back i 2003.

Maybe Citroen can do the same like last Rallye do get the Points :rolleyes:

[MikeD]

Maybe Citroen can do the same like last Rallye do get the Points :rolleyes:

Dry your eyes cry-baby!

[wwbroe]

No splits for Henning :confused:


Edit: now they are there

[WRC1]

Best time for Conrad in stage 15? What is this, now WRC is really becoming a farce. :D :D :D
^

even more if you remember the times mr rautenbach clocked in the IRC series at Acores.... :D

[Kamikaze]

Dry your eyes cry-baby!

Citroen-Fans are the cry-babys this Weekend :D

[Mirek]

Colin: Are You gonna be pushing to the very end?

Lambros: Why not? :D

[wwbroe]

Rautenbach now only 0.9" behind Villagra for fourth place overall.

[A.F.F.]

Citoren fans have mostly disappeared this weekend....

[Mirek]

Prokop drove the stage with 2nd and 5th gear only.

[MikeD]

Citoren fans have mostly disappeared this weekend....

Can you tell? We are only 5 or so in here :D

[Mirek]

Semerád broken driveshaft for the second time in the rally. Ralliart Italy has huuuuge problems with those Evo X :(

[A.F.F.]

Can you tell? We are only 5 or so in here :D

;) touche....

[DIMI44]

Very odd. How come should Sordo take a phone and call to Ford camp to warn about a rock ??? Stupid though.

I think Henning was so upset about the marshall that didn't know which tree he should bark at :mark:

Another idea is Sordo to sit on the top of the rock!!!

I think that marsall signed with his hands to Henning to stay on the right side of the road because Sordo was parking in the left.

[A.F.F.]

I think the marshall tried sign Henning to slow down. And it looked like to direct Henning to right side of the road.

[GigiGalliNo1]

I think that marsall signed with his hands to Henning to stay on the right side of the road because Sordo was parking in the left.

I think so too. I just watched the coverage but why was Henning held 5 mins at the start? You'd think Sordo would radio back to the team and team would tell officials or at least the officials would be listening to the teams radios no?

Sucks re Henning :(

[DIMI44]

Very odd. How come should Sordo take a phone and call to Ford camp to warn about a rock ??? Stupid though.

I think Henning was so upset about the marshall that didn't know which tree he should bark at :mark:

Another idea is Sordo to sit on the top of the rock!!!

I think that marsall signed with his hands to Henning to stay on the right side of the road because Sordo was parking in the left.

[Wim_Impreza]

]Semerád broken driveshaft for the second time in the rally. Ralliart Italy has huuuuge problems with those Evo X :(

The whole Evo X is not really reliable. The only good one that I saw this year is driven by Jasper van den Heuvel.

[Mirek]

Gassner also doesn't have much problems with car. We have three in our championship and their biggest problem is that they offten go off :D

There are quite many in Finland and we have a lot of Finnish guys here. How about them?

[Xsara Fan]

At the service park Novikov told us (by phone) that driveshaft was broken without any impacts! He thinks that may be it wasn`t change yesterday at the evening service... It`s gonna be a huge talk with CJT after the rally.

[wwbroe]

Do you guys see any splits of stage 16, it should have started at 11h51?

[N.O.T]

Lampros is 2 stages away from the biggest achievement in greek motorsport history !!!!! Great !!!!

[Mirek]

On the radio they said the stage may have been cancelled because of spectators.

[GigiGalliNo1]

are they repeating the same story about wrc upgrading nxt year? or is he answering questions?

[MikeD]

Do you guys see any splits of stage 16, it should have started at 11h51?

Stage 16 is cancelled.

[MikeD]

Lampros is 2 stages away from the biggest achievement in greek motorsport history !!!!! Great !!!!

And the first points for an S2000 car.

[GigiGalliNo1]

repeat....


And the first points for an S2000 car.

sweet!

[A.F.F.]

Is it cancelled or not? The slipts are active.... :confused:

[pettersolberg29]

There are splits now - but they're weird.

[MikeD]

Cancelled. They are just driving slowly through the stage.

[pettersolberg29]

I assume its done as a road section?

[Leon]

Lampros is 2 stages away from the biggest achievement in greek motorsport history !!!!! Great !!!!

In the 1991 event, "Stratissino" also won the group N overall with a Nissan GTiR.

[N.O.T]

In the 1991 event, "Stratissino" also won the group N overall with a Nissan GTiR.

yeah and in 85 he was 5th overall...but we never had a winner in an official championship.....

[N.O.T]

the final stage is underway....

[GigiGalliNo1]

Does WRR know that 16 is canceled? wah?

[Mirek]

They informed about that as the first ones.

[Tanelv]

Viagra is coming surprisingly fast and I have to say I didn't believe he could keep Rautenbach behind himself

[GigiGalliNo1]

Congrats Mikko! :D

[N.O.T]

Hirvonen is the winner of rally acropolis, well done !!!

Now lets see what lampros will do...

[GigiGalliNo1]

Viagra is coming surprisingly fast and I have to say I didn't believe he could keep Rautenbach behind himself

bahahahahahhahhaha

[Mirek]

Ogier is second. Reminds me Monte Carlo where he was laughing after those faster retired. Anyway, great for him after those multiple offs before.

[N.O.T]

Araujo is losing a lot on 2nd split.......

[N.O.T]

Athanasoulas fights back !!! nice....

[N.O.T]

no final time for novikov ????

[Mirek]

My fingers crossed for Lambros! :)

[N.O.T]

by the way lampros has a web page as well....

http://www.athanassoulas.gr/

[Psycho!]

Novikov??Where is he??Ahhh sorry he is going to buy one more point for Sordo.... :dozey: RIDICOULUS CITROEN...