Rally Great Britain 2009

[Langdale Forest]

For any of you who think that Hirvonen is not a good driver, look at this from Japan inn 2007. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ehDmd_O6g

[Langdale Forest]

totally agree.
JML sometimes like duval,it's too early to win or beat mikko or seb.he need steady progress

Latvala is more talented that Duval because of his determination to win.

[shaitan]

Latvala is more talented that Duval because of his determination to win.
maybe,everyone has natural speed but duval and latvala just can not control it!

[ridder]

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

[Langdale Forest]

McRae had speed and he could control it,,, sometimes.

[Langdale Forest]

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

If it was not for the Citroen team orders in spain, Hirvonen would have had a better chance of the championship.

[shaitan]

McRae had speed and he could control it,,, sometimes.
mcrae >>>>>>> duval and JML

and why he is champion.

[Buzz Lightyear]

For me all the drivers are, after all day, have similar driving abilty.

This is proved by shakedown. If the drivers keep pounding round and round, you will get Ogier setting a time on his 6th run, that matches Loeb.

Naturaly driving ability is 70%, the other 30% is in the driver head.

This is not measurable, and where Loeb has it over the other drivers.

[jonkka]

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

Also remember Latvala's stupid crash in SSS of Poland which netted Seb 1 extra point.

[Langdale Forest]

That was Latvala's fault, AGAIN!

And that does not have much impact on the championship because things like that are always happening.

[noel157]

For any of you who think that Hirvonen is not a good driver, look at this from Japan inn 2007. :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-ehDmd_O6g

Best to get some objectivity. Nobody is saying Hirvonen is not a good driver. He's a world class driver, just not on the level of Loeb. As I said yesterday, Loeb can control a rally and has a greater understanding of how and, most importantly, when to attack. He knows what stages he can pull time from and he knows when to turn the throttle down a little and bide his time.
From a fan's point of view we would all be happier if Loeb was a little slower or Hirvonen was a little quicker.

[Langdale Forest]

World class drivers don't have to have been WRC champions, just look at Markku Alen.

[noel157]

World class drivers don't have to have been WRC champions, just look at Markku Alen.

And?

[Langdale Forest]

How about calling anyone that came 2nd or 3rd in the WRC in any year, "world class".

[noel157]

How about calling anyone that came 2nd or 3rd in the WRC in any year, "world class".

I just did. Not really sure what your point is.

[PeteRobs]

He's only 24 give him a break, i cant wait for him to start winning constantly and watch you guys say how you knew he would be the best, sitting behind a pc and pulling someone down isn't on. Every and i mean Every driver has to have accidents to gain speed just look at Malcolm Wilson he is being held back by his dad and he doesnt get anywhere and he never will until he has some good offs, you need to find the ultimate limit of the car the only way to find this is to drop it off the road a few times.

Please dont take me wrong im not having ago just trying to point you in the right direction, this sport is one of the hardest in the world, the only way to go forward is by experiance of the unexpected

[shaitan]

And?

who is macus alen?

[Brother John]

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Welcom to all new members with just a few posts here to destroy of good mentality which we had here.
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[Langdale Forest]

mARKKU aLEN!!!!!!!!!

[Langdale Forest]

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Welcom to all new members with just a few posts here to destroy of good mentality which we had here.
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wHAT DO YOU MEAN, NEW MEMBERS?

[Mise]

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.


I totally agree! :up: :up: :up:

[Langdale Forest]

[quote="PeteRobs"]

Do you mean Matthew Wilson. :dozey:

[shaitan]

mARKKU aLEN!!!!!!!!!

it's a joke.

[noel157]

He's only 24 give him a break, i cant wait for him to start winning constantly and watch you guys say how you knew he would be the best, sitting behind a pc and pulling someone down isn't on. Every and i mean Every driver has to have accidents to gain speed just look at Malcolm Wilson he is being held back by his dad and he doesnt get anywhere and he never will until he has some good offs, you need to find the ultimate limit of the car the only way to find this is to drop it off the road a few times.

Please dont take me wrong im not having ago just trying to point you in the right direction, this sport is one of the hardest in the world, the only way to go forward is by experiance of the unexpected

Ah, so Matthew's grandfather is in charge of his plan, very interesting.

[Langdale Forest]

A very pointless and uninteligent joke!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[shaitan]

Do you mean Matthew Wilson. :dozey:
it's a world champion,maybe 2099

[Brother John]

wHAT DO YOU MEAN, NEW MEMBERS?

Just look to the number of posts from the guests which here are present on the last 5 pages from this topic :rolleyes: !

[shaitan]

A very pointless and uninteligent joke!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:
sorry guys,my fault.

[Langdale Forest]

it's a world champion,maybe 2099


More chane of Zinebahe being real!

[Langdale Forest]

Just look to the number of posts from the guests which here are present on the last 5 pages from this topic :rolleyes: !

Guests are not allowed to post on this forum. ;)

[Brother John]

Guests are not allowed to post on this forum. ;)

What are you doing here then? http://www.thescubasite.com/smile/scared/scared0016.gif We are all guests here. ;)

[Wasted Talent]

Yes Loeb is overall better driver than Hirvonen.
But this year I do think he "deserved" to win. There are at least 3 things which would have cost Loeb the title if rally ends like this:

1. No team orders on Sardinia => Latvala winning (-2 points for Mikko)
2. 2 Citroen junior drivers slowing up to 20 mins so that Loeb gets 2 points in Poland
3. "Clever" FIA decision to give just the "right" penalty to Citroen in Australia (specially compared with those windows on Fords before)

Sure it's small things, but they do add up.

Good points

WT

[paddocknews]

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

[J.Lindstroem]

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

Great!

He has to take 3 seconds from Loeb in every stage that is left.

I'd say: Bring it on!

[Francis44]

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

Now that's talking!!!!

[Xsara Fan]

Mikko just said 'I have nothing to lose, I'm going to go for it'

I think it`s a little bit late...

[GigiGalliNo1]

What's the difference between Eyvind Brynildsen's Skoda (I believe it is a S2000) spec's to the specs of the WRC car for 2011? Will the 2011 cars be S2000 based as well? Sorry It's late for me and thought to ask even if it might be silly question. Just looking at the times because if Eyvind Brynildsen's times are slower than the WRC cars... then Loeb, Mikko etc will be driving those same times in that spec'd car?

[J.Lindstroem]

I think it`s a little bit late...

I am ready to agree with you on this point ;)

[Langdale Forest]

The problem is he will gbe pushing to the limit in a car which he was not confident with this morning.

[Psycho!]

I think it`s a little bit late...
In WRC it's never late........ ;)

[Langdale Forest]

The next stage is 35km, so if Hirvonen pushes and Loeb slows for any reason Hirvonen can take back alot of time.

[Langdale Forest]

This stage will probably be one of the most important stages of this years championship.

[MikeD]

Bring it on ... Let's see Mikko go "All in"

[Langdale Forest]

Stage started

[muscrae]

The next stage is 35km, so if Hirvonen pushes and Loeb slows for any reason Hirvonen can take back alot of time.

But remember that's the second pass of that stage, which means the surface is much worse then the previous one, meaning Loeb is much more advantageous being the first car on the road.

[Psycho!]

Go Mikko!!!It's your last chance!!!!

[Langdale Forest]

Unfortunatley i can imagine Hirvonen going off the road on this stage if he pushes too hard. :(

Before anyone asks i am a hirvonen fan.

[Langdale Forest]

Very wet and muddy according to the radio.

[Psycho!]

But remember that's the second pass of that stage, which means the surface is much worse then the previous one, meaning Loeb is much more advantageous being the first car on the road.
There is no advantage...And if there is,then it favours the guys behind,because now Loeb has the lines of PWRC and other cars which are different to the wrcs...

[jonkka]

At split 1: less than in the morning but the direction is correct.

[Langdale Forest]

M. HIRVONEN (javascript:reCalc(2))
-1.7

[MartijnS]

Faster again, come on!

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen 1.7 up on first split.

[Psycho!]

Unfortunatley i can imagine Hirvonen going off the road on this stage if he pushes too hard. :(

Before anyone asks i am a hirvonen fan.
It's not te time to drive safely....

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen could still take alot of time out of loeb

[snellman]

when is ss10 driven?

[Langdale Forest]

Good 1st split for petter.

[Langdale Forest]

:p
when is ss10 driven?

Haven't you realised that it is on now!

[J.Lindstroem]

when is ss10 driven?

around christmas i think! ;)

edit: right now.

[MartijnS]

3.2 at second split!

[jonkka]

And still faster - last time around Loeb managed to be faster from split 2 on, let's see how it'll go this time...

[Langdale Forest]

:) :) :) :) :)

Keep On Pushing Mikko!!!!!!!!

[J.Lindstroem]

Mikko is flying. The big question is now. Can he keep it on the road?

[Langdale Forest]

I hope so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[Langdale Forest]

Sordo and Ogier faster than loeb on 1st split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Langdale Forest]

I think Loeb might be backing off!

[jonkka]

Mikko is flying. The big question is now. Can he keep it on the road?

It doesn't matter - unless Mikko can get ahead the result will still be to Loeb's favour.

[J.Lindstroem]

if he is going to have i chance, i'd say he has to win this stage with at least 6-7 seconds or something.

[jonkka]

Sordo and Ogier faster than loeb on 1st split!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Hmm...

[Langdale Forest]

I think he will just manage that

[J.Lindstroem]

It doesn't matter - unless Mikko can get ahead the result will still be to Loeb's favour.

:cool:

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb is definatley backing off!!

[Langdale Forest]

Henning Solberg is 0.8 seconds faster than loeb on 1st split, yet more evidence that he is backing off

[snellman]

then where do you find the splits? sorry for being noob :eek:

[jonkka]

I don't think backing off, maybe unwilling to risk too much on this stage. He likely wants to repeat the morning, lose little on this and take more back on the next two.

[Langdale Forest]

Solberg lost 10 seconds

[noel157]

Don't get your hopes up regarding Hirvonen. He may get a few seconds back but will not be able to maintain it, or rather he will not be allowed to maintain it.

Petter loses 11 secs, minor spin?

[MikeD]

Loeb is responding - gab now -2.0

[MartijnS]

Only 2 seconds faster at the 20 km mark.

[noel157]

then where do you find the splits? sorry for being noob :eek:

http://www.wrc.com/jsp/index.jsp?lnk=409&season=2009&rally_id=GB

[Langdale Forest]

Hironen lost 0.3 seconfs to Loeb on 4th split.

no no no

[jonkka]

Hironen lost 0.3 seconfs to Loeb on 4th split.

no no no

And 1.3sec more on split 5...

[Langdale Forest]

LoHirvonen loosing even more time so loeb might still extend his lead on this stage

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb had a slow start to this stage but he is now back to full speed again.

[MartijnS]

1.1 left..

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen only 1.1s faster

[jonkka]

It's been a while since this many people repeated the same splits so many times over... Missing drama is back, for a little while...

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala is looking fast

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb finished

[jonkka]

Awful trend since split 3

[Langdale Forest]

Rautanbach has lost alot of time

[wwbroe]

What happened with Petter, no more splits :confused:

[Langdale Forest]

hirv 1.6 quicjer and he said he was on the limit

[noel157]

Hirvonen is finished too...... fait accompli?

[Langdale Forest]

What happened with Petter, no more splits :confused:

WRR (world rally radio) said that the slpits stopped working for petter?

[noel157]

He had a close look at a ditch.

[Langdale Forest]

wrc.com stage times are not working properley

[MartijnS]

Mikko was 2.1 faster.

[jonkka]

Seems too little too late...

[Langdale Forest]

1.

Sébastien LOEB
M
2:12:58.5
0.0
0.0

2.

Mikko HIRVONEN
M
2:13:21.4
+22.9
+22.9

[Langdale Forest]

This is what the WRC is all about!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :D

[Simmi]

I cant see Mikko hauling back this time without really pushing the envelope and getting out of his comfort zone. The next two stages will now make or break his rally I think.

[Langdale Forest]

*Draws picture of Loebs car in a ditch*

[Langdale Forest]

I cant see Mikko hauling back this time without really pushing the envelope and getting out of his comfort zone. The next two stages will now make or break his rally I think.


If he can get back the time after the next stage he will become a ledgend. :)

[snellman]

This is what the WRC is all about!!!!!!!!!!!!1 :D
YOUR SIGNATURE WORKS!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

[Langdale Forest]

??????????

[Langdale Forest]

It has not worked yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

[muscrae]

*Draws picture of Loebs car in a ditch*

Nice Utopia. :)

[mdesign]

It has not worked yet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

Hope it does work ;)

[Francis44]

*Draws picture of Loebs car in a ditch*

What are you, a 12 year old spoiled kid who wants his ''legend'' to win at every cost??!!

[Simmi]

*Draws picture of Loebs car in a ditch*

Surely you'd rather Mikko bests him on pace?

Mind you after six years I think people will take anything. Bolt of lightning?

I've got to the stage where all results just wash over me and I remain unmoved. I used to get more frustrated when Marcus was taking on Seb.

[Langdale Forest]

I would but it is looking very unlikely

[Langdale Forest]

who has eggs on the parcel shealf?

[Langdale Forest]

Nice Utopia. :)

If that is not enought I have put it as my desktop background!

[tolis]

Sandell 20.6 sec fastest than Brynildsen in SS10!!!!!

[muscrae]

If that is not enought I have put it as my desktop background!

Nice work! I'm waiting for tomorrow to choose a desktop picture...

[muscrae]

Sandell 20.6 sec fastest than Brynildsen in SS10!!!!!

Finally he found the rhythm, but unfortunately it's far too late for the top spot.

[bennizw]

I think Eyvind is taking it a little easy now. No point pushing to the limit with a minute and 50 seconds lead.

[Langdale Forest]

Nice work! I'm waiting for tomorrow to choose a desktop picture...


You could search on Google for a picture of one of loebs crashes and hope it will happen again!!!!!!! :cool: :D :D :vader:

[muscrae]

You could search on Google for a picture of one of loebs crashes and hope it will happen again!!!!!!! :cool: :D :D :vader:

You understand what I "truely" meant mate, take it easy :p :

[A.F.F.]

Mikko needs all the help now so c'mon folks, cross your fingers, dicks and toes :hot:

[John V]

who has eggs on the parcel shealf?
Martin Prokop, standard joke here in CZ, but the eggs in really are empty usually (just shells).

[Langdale Forest]

:D :D :D :champion:

[Langdale Forest]

Martin Prokop, standard joke here in CZ, but the eggs in really are empty usually (just shells).

They should put the eggs on the road!!

:D :D :D :D :D


You know what I am talking about!

[ste898]

My interest in this my home event is totally zero!!!!

[Simmi]

Has Loeb even got into double figures with his WRC crashes?

SupeRally greys everything up in my mind - but I think there's

Catalunya 02 / Australia 05 / Monte 06 / Sardinia 07 / Japan 07 / Sweden 08 / Jordan 08 / Acropolis 09 / Poland 09

I have him crashing in Argentina 03 but cant remember?

[bluuford]

You could search on Google for a picture of one of loebs crashes and hope it will happen again!!!!!!! :cool: :D :D :vader:

Well, you really haven't studied what is voodoo? If you learn little bit about it then you have two ways. You draw a ditch and you put your drawing of Loeb´s car into that ditch:-P the other way is to cut one wheel of from your drawing :-P
Anyway, it is just pure fun to read this forum here and today :-P

[snellman]

You could search on Google for a picture of one of loebs crashes and hope it will happen again!!!!!!! :cool: :D :D :vader:
shut up! i'm a mikko fan but he should be first in this rally and loeb right behind or the other way, that's how the title should be decided. may the best man win!

[Simmi]

Oh and any word on what happened to Ostberg in that last stage?

p.s. I have missed all the great over-reactions on the forum!

[bluuford]

Has Loeb even got into double figures with his WRC crashes?

SupeRally greys everything up in my mind - but I think there's

Catalunya 02 / Australia 05 / Monte 06 / Sardinia 07 / Japan 07 / Sweden 08 / Jordan 08 / Acropolis 09 / Poland 09

I have him crashing in Argentina 03 but cant remember?

Yes Argentina 2003 he crashed

[Mauri A]

Well, you really haven't studied what is voodoo? If you learn little bit about it then you have two ways. You draw a ditch and you put your drawing of Loeb´s car into that ditch:-P the other way is to cut one wheel of from your drawing :-P
Anyway, it is just pure fun to read this forum here and today :-P
For an old and serious man like me it is not funny, it is pitiful!

[Simmi]

Yes Argentina 2003 he crashed

Cant you remember what happened? I can't bring it to mind...

[bluuford]

Actually I have wondered when and where did it happened?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uYyQqxo-YM

[bluuford]

For an old and serious man like me it is not funny, it is pitiful!

Yeah, I think you are the class is half empty person? I just try to find bright side in everything.. sometimes in things that doesn't have bright side:-) Dont take all the things kids are talking here too seriously, try to take it with irony:-)

[Rallyper]

For me Seb is a worthy champion if he reaches the end of the rally. No doubt he´s a real champion even this year though Mikko has playing him some defeats.

Although I hope Mikko can win it all. It´s still a long way to go.

When must realise that we (the fans) need both of them and even Petter and some more stars to live up the WRC for next year and on.

COME ON KIMI!! JOIN THE WRC NEXT YEAR!!!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :hot: :hot:

[Juha_Koo]

Mikko needs all the help now so c'mon folks, cross your fingers, dicks and toes :hot:

Be cautious folks. As long as balls aren't touching it's not gay (ish way to help Mikko and Jarmo). :D

[A.F.F.]

Yeah, I think you are the class is half empty person? I just try to find bright side in everything.. sometimes in things that doesn't have bright side:-) Dont take all the things kids are talking here too seriously, try to take it with irony:-)

Haven't you noticed it already bluuford. We the Finns don't have such thing as a sense of humour nor ability to spot irony.

[bluuford]

Haven't you noticed it already bluuford. We the Finns don't have such thing as a sense of humour nor ability to spot irony.

The first and the hardest step to solve the problem is to admit that you have a problem :-P

[A.F.F.]

The first and the hardest step to solve the problem is to admit that you have a problem :-P

I actually went to the doctor and said him;" I have hard time making friends you ****ing c**ksucker." He threw me out :mark:

[TMorel]

Dont forget, "fan" is short for "fanatical" which is just another way to say CRAZY *g* it's not the same as being a suporter.

[bluuford]

OK I think it is time to go back to the stages. It has been one of the most incident packed stage over the years during the second passes. Tarmac section will be for sure very muddy and spectacular for spectators:-)

[Simmi]

Mikko needs to pull 5 seconds or something similar in here. I dont know if it will happen. Especially given how fast Loeb was this morning.

[Langdale Forest]

SS11 has started!!!

[Francis44]

Mikko already loosing time.

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen 0.8 seconds behind.

[Langdale Forest]

:D I have just watched Rally GB 1998 on DVD just to remind myself what can happen on the last stage!

[Langdale Forest]

Mikko loosing more and more time... :mad:

[jonkka]

:D I have just watched Rally GB 1998 on DVD just to remind myself what can happen on the last stage!

Did you notice that Sainz' Corolla was missing the rear spoiler? That's never been explained as to why...

[White Sauron]

:D I have just watched Rally GB 1998 on DVD just to remind myself what can happen on the last stage!

Even if Loeb retires on the last stage, and Hirvonen takes the title, as Mikko's fan I admit now that it's Loeb who deserves to be this year's champion more.

[Langdale Forest]

Not really, but I noticed that when watching the 1998 DVD that the Toyota cars had a different theme on the doors for every rally, in Wales it was umbrellas.

[muscrae]

Seb is 3.3 sec. faster in the last split..

[jonkka]

Not really, but I noticed that when watching the 1998 DVD that the Toyota cars had a different theme on the doors for every rally, in Wales it was umbrellas.

Not on every rally, but most yes.

http://www.juwra.com/toyota_1998_special_feature.html

[Langdale Forest]

Hirvonen is going for a no risk 2nd place.

[muscrae]

Mikko is 4.8 slower...

[MikeD]

Mikko 4.8 slower

[snellman]

is citroen a stronger team than ford?

[A.F.F.]

Auts... Mikko takes more hits than I did last in Heinola at the line of the grill...

Doesn't look too good I have to admit.

[Simmi]

Not really, but I noticed that when watching the 1998 DVD that the Toyota cars had a different theme on the doors for every rally, in Wales it was umbrellas.

TTE probably shouldn't have mocked the great British weather. I was at Silverstone spectating for that rally what a terrible decision that was.

[Langdale Forest]

Not on every rally, but most yes.

www.juwra.com/toyota_1998_special_feature.html (http://www.juwra.com/toyota_1998_special_feature.html)

Very intresting,was Toyota the only team to do something like that?

[muscrae]

Petter is 2.1 faster than Sebastien !!!

[Francis44]

Solberg fastest.

[Langdale Forest]

Fast 3rd split for petter.

[jonkka]

Very intresting,was Toyota the only team to do something like that?

On that scale, yes. Other teams have had special liveries for an occasion but to have theme throughout the season is something else.

[Langdale Forest]

The wrc.com splits wont refresh.

[Langdale Forest]

On that scale, yes. Other teams have had special liveries for an occasion but to have theme throughout the season is something else.

Any examples of any others?

[jimakos]

Unfortunately Mikko won't take this championship!!
I'm completely desperate :(

[Langdale Forest]

Still time for me to help you!


:uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh: :uhoh:

[Simmi]

Has Mikko even finished the stage? He hasn't come up on ewrc but the next two C4's have.

[muscrae]

He finished.

[Langdale Forest]

The splits are not working properley that is the problem.

[Simmi]

Also nice to see that (in well over a year since I last used it) the wrc.com splits service is still terrible.

[MikeD]

Any examples of any others?

I remember Mäkinen haveing another cigaret livery for Rally Australia. I think it was Winfield replacing Marlboro. In F1 and MotoGP there are tons of examples...

[jonkka]

Any examples of any others?

Lancia used special red livery in 1989 San Remo - the only time they departed from white-based Martini-livery with Gr A Delta.

[Langdale Forest]

Lancia used special red livery in 1989 San Remo - the only time they departed from white-based Martini-livery with Gr A Delta.

It did not bring any luck for didier Auriol though, as he rolled that car over.

[jonkka]

I remember Mäkinen haveing another cigaret livery for Rally Australia. I think it was Winfield replacing Marlboro.

Winfield-livery was used in Rally Australia 1997-98 by Mitsu as it was a local brand for team sponsor BAT (Pall Mall stickers were used normally). Marlboro livery came only from 1999 onwards as Loix joined the team.

[A.F.F.]

Oh man... the gap is about the size Mikko can't put pressure on Loeb anymore. Hence he doesn't have to push to the maximum and take risks as Mikko has to...

Only way Mikko is able to win is something have to happen to Loeb and that suck too. Nobody wants that.

[Simmi]

Oh man... the gap is about the size Mikko can't put pressure on Loeb anymore. Hence he doesn't have to push to the maximum and take risks as Mikko has to...

Only way Mikko is able to win is something have to happen to Loeb and that suck too. Nobody wants that.

It doesn't help there's just 4 stages tomorrow. Hardly fitting for the final leg to decide a world title.

[MikeD]

Winfield-livery was used in Rally Australia 1997-98 by Mitsu as it was a local brand for team sponsor BAT (Pall Mall stickers were used normally). Marlboro livery came only from 1999 onwards as Loix joined the team.

Thanks for the correction :)

[bluuford]

OK I think it is time to go back to the stages. It has been one of the most incident packed stage over the years during the second passes. Tarmac section will be for sure very muddy and spectacular for spectators:-)

Ok I messed up with the stages.. I meant Halfway.. the currentone :-)

[MikeD]

Split 2 - Loeb is 6 sec slower compared with the first run

[A.F.F.]

Well, at least Mikko is heading the right direction again with the splits. Too bad they're only zero points at the moment.

GO MIKKO !!!

[bluuford]

on the second split Loeb is 6 sek slower than on the first pass and 0.1 quicker than Mikko on the first pass

[MikeD]

Split 2 - Mikko 1.6 slower than Loeb

[Simmi]

Crychan ran slower than this morning but Rhondda was significantly faster. Maybe they are cutting up a bit.

[tolis]

I think it's the first time that a 207 RC appears in a WRC event (Loic).

[muscrae]

Difference bw Loeb and Hirvonen is 30.2 sec at the end of Day 2.

[Langdale Forest]

Loeb could slide off the road tomorrow!

[Simmi]

Anyone else fancy Petter for a stage win tomorrow?

[Langdale Forest]

Dissapointinf last two stages.

[Langdale Forest]

Anyone else fancy Petter for a stage win tomorrow?

I think Loeb will win them all tomorrow. :(

[Buzz Lightyear]

Go On Loeb!!!

[muscrae]

Anyone else fancy Petter for a stage win tomorrow?

He will definetely go for the podium tomorrow, so why not?..

[Langdale Forest]

Go On Hirvonen!!!

[Tom206wrc]

Go Seb!!! Go Seb !!!!! 30s gap with four stages left to go !!!! :bounce: :bounce:

[muscrae]

Go Seb!!! Go Seb !!!!! 30s gap with four stages left to go !!!! :bounce: :bounce:

Fantastic :) :bounce: :bounce:

[Langdale Forest]

If only I could e-mail Hirvonen and tell him to go flat out like a ledgend tomorrow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Buzz Lightyear]

Matthew Wilson.. the car is slideing too much for 2 days now. Maybe its your driving that needs changed, not the car.

[Langdale Forest]

Wilson is never going to be any good.

[Simmi]

Lacklustre day for Latvala. Averaging about a fifth place today. Freed from any responsibility and given past form I expected better from him.

[playmo]

I think that those focuses are not performing that good this event, if only they could set them up as good as in finland!
Nevertheless, the best combo is going to get the title, hat off for Monsieur Loeb.
I thought that Petter could be a little faster on this event, such a shame that he could not get more kms on that car...

[Langdale Forest]

I thought that Petter could be a little faster on this event, such a shame that he could not get more kms on that car...

Wiper problems cost him slot of time this morning.

[muscrae]

...

[Rallyper]

A.F.F// Were you at the saunamailmanmestari event?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI_-sMBKZuw&feature=player_embedded#

Are you at the videos? :p :p

Suomin sauna -se on hyviin!! Löyly!

(Did I tell you I like Finland although I´m ruotsalainen. ;)

[A.F.F.]

A.F.F// Were you at the saunamailmanmestari event?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI_-sMBKZuw&feature=player_embedded#

Are you at the videos? :p :p

Suomin sauna -se on hyviin!! Löyly!

(Did I tell you I like Finland although I´m ruotsalainen. ;)

No I haven't taken part at sauna world champions. I have spectated it but I was really wasted and it was my friend's bachelor party who btw won his round. But I have had a gig on that very stage one year. We were rocking like hell :D

(Did I tell you I don't like Sweden BECAUSE I'm finnish :p : )

[Juha_Koo]

Lacklustre day for Latvala. Averaging about a fifth place today. Freed from any responsibility and given past form I expected better from him.

I'm sure his motivation is total zero. I expected a win from JM and so did he. No point trying to even push. Just checking notes and enjoying the scenery with Miikka with a 75% speed.

I'd like to get a hold of that driveshaft and I'd beat it to unidentifiable piece of twisted metal. Then I'd throw it into a incinerator.

[Langdale Forest]

It must be very hard to keep going with no motiVation.

[Salist]

Photos from 2nd day?

[Sladden]

After stage 8 and 9 we all felt it... Loeb is the true champion. Those stages made him champion in both Hirvonen and Loebs mind. He is showing that kind of determination that only the best can pull off when needed: Mäkinen, McRae, Grönholm to name a few. Even if he retire tomorrow those performances earn a "moral title winner" :)

I do rot for the underdog Hirvonen in a way. As this year may be his best shot at the title. At least when Loeb is around. A few more tarmac rounds will turn the advantage in Citroen favor.

I was pretty sure Hirvonen would be slighty quicker than Loeb today. But he lacked the fighting spirit. Remember the days when a big fight meant moments and hairy spins? Seems like no top driver push themselves over the limit (exept for JML). Is it the cars? They seem to be easy to drive on the limit? Slippy GB should be full of "moments".

Anyho good day today.. lets hope the fight continue tomorrow!

[Simmi]

I'm sure his motivation is total zero. I expected a win from JM and so did he. No point trying to even push. Just checking notes and enjoying the scenery with Miikka with a 75% speed.

I'd like to get a hold of that driveshaft and I'd beat it to unidentifiable piece of twisted metal. Then I'd throw it into a incinerator.

True but in 2008 he also lost bags of time with wiper problems in the dark on Leg 1.

He then went on to win everything but the stadium super special in the next two days. So in terms of mentality you can go one of two ways. And this time jari-Matti chose to coast to the finish.

It might have been good for him to push because his momentum is really at an all-time low after this year. But he probably just wants the season to be over.

[Langdale Forest]

Latvala had wiper problems in the dark in 2007, not 2008.

[playmo]

It must be very hard to keep going with no motiVation.

I think that it has to do too with the car also, i liked those fords but now i think that it has to be a lot more "fun" to drive a c4, but only a dirver could tell us if its right or wrong, lets ask Gigi and Petter....

[Simmi]

Latvala had wiper problems in the dark in 2007, not 2008.

Of course.

[Rallyper]

No I haven't taken part at sauna world champions. I have spectated it but I was really wasted and it was my friend's bachelor party who btw won his round. But I have had a gig on that very stage one year. We were rocking like hell :D

(Did I tell you I don't like Sweden BECAUSE I'm finnish :p : )

(Well... that doesn´t mean I will dislike Finland because you don´t like Sweden. Even thou you guys in Suomi think all swedish men are fags...
some of us like the way Finland take on things in the community)

Now back to the thread - how about Petters mental or physical condition? It seems he doesn´t have power to manage the whole stages looking at his split times. :confused:

[bluuford]

http://www.rallygb.org/news/1160.php

[toras]

Rally GB photos from day 2:
http://rallynews.pl/lang.en/no/galeria/367

[chris16valve]

miko has to go flat out tommorow and win the stages at least,and see how he is going into last stage,go miko go

[kolvas]

Tomorrow Mikko has nothing to loose, I hope he goes totaly FLAT OUT so put some pressure on Seb.
I´d rather see him chrashing out trying than going for second place hoping for a mistake from Seb

[turves]

Tomorrow Mikko has nothing to loose, I hope he goes totaly FLAT OUT so put some pressure on Seb.
I´d rather see him chrashing out trying than going for second place hoping for a mistake from Seb

totally agree with you there.

[White Sauron]

Yeah, honestly I don't understand Mikko in this situation neither.
Why doesn't he want to drive flat out, 50% over the limit?
- If he keeps his 2nd place, he won't take the title anyway.
- Waiting for Loeb to retire? But if this happens, it will happen regardless to what position Mikko is holding!
- In this situation it's no difference for Mikko whether he finishes 2nd or retires - Loeb will take the title. So Mikko should try!!! At least it's the only thing left to do!

[bluuford]

Tomorrow Mikko has nothing to loose, I hope he goes totaly FLAT OUT so put some pressure on Seb.
I´d rather see him chrashing out trying than going for second place hoping for a mistake from Seb

Tomorrow there will be 80km without service and Mikko´s favorite stages. We can expect that Loeb takes two spare tires and some tools and parts more, so most probably his car will be heavier and therefore slower. Mikko should go to the stages with one spare and almost without any tools and spares and take risk that he might get two punctures or something else might happen. So, 7.6 sek on each stage or tomorrow and we will have very interesting final :-)
Just a interesting fact. In 2007 in similar conditions Mikko was over 51 sek faster than Loeb on the same stages :-)

[mdesign]

Totally agree... mikko goes 150% or he better stay in bed. Massimum attack or just don't drive at all.

[Juha_Koo]

Let's just remember that it's not easy to mentally prepare yourself for a 150% performance that has the mentality of crash or win. With these speeds, off is not going to be any minor visit to the bushes. It can really hurt.

[wotaguy]

definatly, agree...maximum attack,from miko, or loeb is 6 and counting,

[Helstar]

And with the fact FIA denied Loeb the superlicense to do F1, we can be sure he'll be around for another 5 years/titles at least xD !
10 consecutive titles uhmm... hard to beat. Only if only one work manufacturer remains with a clear first-second drivers order ^^

[ShiftingGears]

I think that it has to do too with the car also, i liked those fords but now i think that it has to be a lot more "fun" to drive a c4, but only a dirver could tell us if its right or wrong, lets ask Gigi and Petter....

He isn't in a manufacturer seat to have fun, he is in it to consistently get results, which he has shown he is completely incapable of doing. He isn't learning to be consistent, Ford should dump him for someone who will actually enable them to win the manufacturers title.

[GigiGalliNo1]

since when are you allowed to have two spare tires?

[Langdale Forest]

The videos on wrc.com are not working properley.

[Gordini]

Did the UK change the clock 1 hrs backwards this night?

[Langdale Forest]

Of course it did.

[paddocknews]

since when are you allowed to have two spare tires?


55.10 SPARE WHEELS

Cars may carry a maximum of two spare wheels.

2009 World Rally Championship Sporting Regulations

[bretddog]

none of them will carry an extra spare. it's useless, if they have to change one wheel the game is over.

[Psycho!]

none of them will carry an extra spare. it's useless, if they have to change one wheel the game is over.
No man...It depends on where the puncture will happen... ;)

[White Sauron]

none of them will carry an extra spare. it's useless, if they have to change one wheel the game is over.

??? They can change a wheel on a liaison.

[Salist]

Good Morning Boys!!!

[Salist]

Rally GB photos from day 2:
http://rallynews.pl/lang.en/no/galeria/367

Nice photos...thanks!!! :)

[Salist]

Let's Go Mikko!!!

[jimakos]

When rally starts does anyone know??

[Psycho!]

Stage is underway...!Good luck to Mikko!!!No matter what happens,we are with you!!

[Salist]

loeb on SS13 Port Talbot 1...

[A.F.F.]

Good morning everyone :wave:

[jimakos]

Sorry just saw that started :)
Mikko needs a miracle but I still believe in him!!!!!

[Psycho!]

Title is sliping away for Mikko...

[mdesign]

Good morning everyone!
Mikko is not taking time from loeb...

[wwbroe]

Morning guys, let's see what Mikko is still capable of. ;)

[wwbroe]

Loeb is in finish, Mikko is not taking any time back at last split.

[MikeD]

Morning guys ... what a great day to make rally history again. Come on Loeb....

[Rallyper]

Whatever it is....? The C4´s have something in their engines that sounds if they have another extra 20-30 hp. :s mokin:

That might be the difference when Seb´s pulling away uphill.... :mad:

[White Sauron]

I wonder if Mikko's trying at all... But anyway, I don't see any fighting spirit in him now. Unfortunately... "Never to retreat, never to surrender. The finest soldiers the world has ever known...." Where are they in rally now. Ah, Greece?

[jimakos]

Nothing serious on ss13!
Hopes getting less and less... :(

[bluuford]

I wonder if Mikko's trying at all... But anyway, I don't see any fighting spirit in him now. Unfortunately... "Never to retreat, never to surrender. The finest soldiers the world has ever known...." Where are they in rally now. Ah, Greece?

Well he took whole 0.8 sek away ;-)