How Good Is Your History?

[steve_spackman]

The rules are the same as the 'how good is your geography?'

I will kick it off by posting this question

What is meant by the Manifest Destiny?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Is it something to do with the exploration North America? :erm:

[Tazio]

It's a thinly veiled attempt to promote more anti-American sentiment on this forum! :arrows:
What do I win! :mark:

[steve_spackman]

It's a thinly veiled attempt to promote more anti-American sentiment on this forum! :arrows:
What do I win! :mark:

Not at all..i simply came across this in one of my books.

[Tazio]

Not at all..i simply came across this in one of my books
;)

[chuck34]

Manifest Destiny was used in the 1800's to convey the thought that the US's Destiny was Manifest (by God I suppose) to encompass the stretch from Sea to Shining Sea.

What do I win?

[Hondo]

One neat thing about history is that every now and then new information comes to light that can change both the perception of why and how an event happened and even if happened or didn't happen.

I'm not talking about revisionist history for the fun of it, I'm talking about facts that come to light due to newly discovered texts and forensic evidence. Just look at the number of beasts and fishes that turn up from time to time after having thought to be extinct.

[steve_spackman]

Manifest Destiny was used in the 1800's to convey the thought that the US's Destiny was Manifest (by God I suppose) to encompass the stretch from Sea to Shining Sea.

What do I win?

Well its your turn to post a history related question...

[chuck34]

Off the top of my head ... sort of in the same time frame ... too easy ... but here goes.

Who is "Old Hickory"

[Hondo]

Andrew Jackson.

[Hondo]

Also a great Bar b Que joint on Telephone Road in Houston.

[chuck34]

Andrew Jackson.

Told you it was too easy.

Your turn.

[Hondo]

What did Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation do?

[Tazio]

declared all slaves free in the U.S. Specifically aimed at the confederacy as slavery was already abolised in the north!

[chuck34]

declared all slaves free in the U.S. Specifically aimed at the confederacy as slavery was already abolised in the north!

Nothing really. It said that all slaves in Confederate Terr. that the Union had taken over were free. And at that time the Union had not captured much. But that the "Border States" could still have slaves.

However, it did set the groundwork for the 13th Amendment.

[Tazio]

Nothing really. It said that all slaves in Confederate Terr. that the Union had taken over were free. And at that time the Union had not captured much. But that the "Border States" could still have slaves.

However, it did set the groundwork for the 13th Amendment.

In general terms I am correct!

The Emancipation Proclamation consists of two executive orders issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War. The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863.

[Hondo]

It freed the slaves in states not under Union control. It exempted New Orleans, Tennessee, and the 40 something counties that would later become W. Virginia, along with the border states. The slaves in the northern (Union) states remained slaves.

For all practical purposes, it freed the slaves only in the areas not under Union control. It did lead to increased numbers of slaves running away and making a break for the north.

Very good there Chuck. Tazio, you get an Honorable Mention, the slaves in the north were not already freed. The war wasn't about slavery as the main issue.

[chuck34]

In general terms I am correct!

The Emancipation Proclamation consists of two executive orders issued by United States President Abraham Lincoln during the American Civil War. The first one, issued September 22, 1862, declared the freedom of all slaves in any state of the Confederate States of America that did not return to Union control by January 1, 1863.

You're forgetting about the Border States (States that stayed in the Union but were slave).

But go ahead and ask a question. I've already done one, and can't think of anything good right now.

[Tazio]

The war wasn't about slavery as the main issue.No. The Emancipation Proclamation was! ;)

[Tazio]

You're forgetting about the Border States (States that stayed in the Union but were slave).

But go ahead and ask a question. I've already done one, and can't think of anything good right now.Thanks Chuck!
I've got one that is bound to stir the pot a little. :p

What was the decisive battle of The American Revolutionary War?

Give me within 5% the percentage of French to American troops that participated, excluding the 29 French Warships preventing a British
escape by sea!

[chuck34]

Yorktown? But it's probably another trick. I have no idea of troop numbers.

[Tazio]

Correct on the first part!
No tricks here. It's well documented, and is considered one of the greatest combined multinational maneuvers in American Military History!

[edv]

This thread should be renamed- How Good is Your American History...

[chuck34]

This thread should be renamed- How Good is Your American History...

Ok who was the British General at Yorktown? :-)

Seriously, if you want a non-American question, ask one.

[steve_spackman]

Ok who was the British General at Yorktown? :-)

Seriously, if you want a non-American question, ask one.

Lord Cornwallis

[chuck34]

Lord Cornwallis

Good, now ask something non-American so that our Euro friends can play too. Especially as it's getting on to night here, and not there.

[Tazio]

This is pathetic!
The Brits know but they won't say because it's one thing to get whipped by Continentals, but you throw the French into the mix and it's unbearable!

The Americans don't know because they were taught that Franco-American Military relations began in 1917 due to all of our history books being written by a guy with selective amnesia! The answer is 48%


Strength
American
8,000 regulars
3,100 Militia[1]
French
10,800 regulars
29 war ships[1]




http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0IAU/is_4_8/ai_106731686/?tag=content;col1
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/The+siege+of+Yorktown:+joint+and+multinational+ope rations+in+the...-a0106731686
The Battle of Yorktown illustrates the importance and effectiveness of unity of command. It would have been easy for Rochambeau to control and coordinate the operational movement of his forces. However, he chose to place himself completely under the command of General Washington. When the British General O'Hara, out of shame, attempted to surrender to Rochambeau after Yorktown, he simply directed him to Washington, reflecting professionalism and the respect essential for unity of command.

General Knox wrote after the siege, "This important affair has been affected by the most harmonious concurrence of circumstances that could possibly have happened: a fleet and troops from the West Indies, under the orders of one of the best men in the world; an army of American and French troops marching from the North River--500 miles--and the fleet of Count de Barras, all joining so exactly in point of time as to render what has happened almost certain." (22)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Yorktown
At 2:00 pm the allied army entered the British positions, with the French on the left and the Americans on the right.
[54] The British and Hessian troops marched between them, while according to legend the British drummers and fifersplayed to the tune of "The World Turn'd Upside Down". The British soldiers had been issued with new uniforms hours before the surrender and until prevented by General O'Hara some threw down their muskets with the apparent intention of smashing them. Others wept or appeared to be drunk.[55] 8,000 troops, 214 artillery pieces, thousands of muskets, 24 transport ships, wagons and horses were captured.[56]
Cornwallis refused to meet formally with Washington, and also refused to come to the ceremony of surrender, claiming illness.[56] Instead, Brigadier General Charles O'Hara presented the sword of surrender to Rochambeau. Rochambeau shook his head and pointed to Washington.[57] O'Hara offered it to Washington, but he refused to accept it, and motioned to his second in command, Benjamin Lincoln, who had been humiliated by the British at Charleston, to accept it.[56] The British soldiers marched out and laid down their arms in between the French and American armies, while many civilians watched.[58] At this time, the troops on the other side of the river in Gloucester also surrendered.[59]

[markabilly]

Nothing really. It said that all slaves in Confederate Terr. that the Union had taken over were free. And at that time the Union had not captured much. But that the "Border States" could still have slaves.

However, it did set the groundwork for the 13th Amendment.
this answer is correct--it was a very publicized action by Lincoln without any legal effect whatsoever

as in "zero"

In the absence of the 13th amendment, based on prior suprreme court rulings, it meant slaves were still property belonging to those who had the "title".

lincoln got credit for freeing slaves as a result of the proclamation(s), but it actually freed no one legally nor actually, since the south still used their law enforcement powers to keep slaves being slaves............

those running with or "freed" by the union army were just "escaped" and not "free"

[steve_spackman]

When was the Non Aligned Movement formed and what was its purpose?

[Storm]

1954 ? Tito, Nehru, Sadat (basically to keep away from both the Nato or the Soviet Bloc)
good idea but ended badly being trapped in a no-man's land benefit-wise

[anthonyvop]

When was the Non Aligned Movement formed and what was its purpose?
April 1955

It's purpose was suppose to be " to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics"

in reality it's purpose was to blame the U.S. for all their problems.

[steve_spackman]

April 1955

It's purpose was suppose to be " to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics"

in reality it's purpose was to blame the U.S. for all their problems.

Correct, but not too sure it was to blame the US for all their problems...

[steve_spackman]

April 1955

It's purpose was suppose to be " to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics"

in reality it's purpose was to blame the U.S. for all their problems.

Correct, but not too sure it was to blame the US for all their problems..

Your turn

[anthonyvop]

What is the Oldest University in the western hemisphere?

[donKey jote]

Oxford and Salamanca were both founded around 1200 and are both on the right side of the Greenwich Meridian... not sure which one was officially founded first though :)

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

[Camelopard]

Correct, but not too sure it was to blame the US for all their problems..

Your turn

can we use boogle to find answers for this thread?

[steve_spackman]

can we use boogle to find answers for this thread?

sure why not

[donKey jote]

big booble is better

[anthonyvop]

What is the Oldest University in the western hemisphere?
Come on!

At least use google.

[markabilly]

can we use boogle to find answers for this thread?
nO

unless you are a donkey cheater ass

[anthonyvop]

What is the Oldest University in the western hemisphere?

Here is a hint....It isn't in the U.S.

[donKey jote]

duh :laugh: :laugh:
:dozey:
:p :

[donKey jote]

Come on!

At least use google.

I think I see what you're getting at.... maybe you should use google too :p :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere
:laugh:

Correct question might have been "oldest Uni in the Americas" :)

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

[Brown, Jon Brow]

I think I see what you're getting at.... maybe you should use google too :p :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Hemisphere
:laugh:

Correct question might have been "oldest Uni in the Americas" :)

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

Oxford is technically in the Western Hemisphere ;)

[anthonyvop]

Oxford is technically in the Western Hemisphere ;)
Yea,

But technically is Oxford a university?

OK Oldest University in the New World/Americas?

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Yea,

But technically is Oxford a university?

OK Oldest University in the New World/Americas?

I think somewhere in the US would be too obvious. So perhaps somewhere in South America related to the Portuguese/Spanish?

[donKey jote]

I think somewhere in the US would be too obvious. So perhaps somewhere in South America related to the Portuguese/Spanish?

Somewhere in the US ? :laugh: :laugh:
Latinamerica it will be.

(Oxford is the oldest in the "technically" Western Hemisphere while Salamanca is the second oldest, or viceversa :p :)

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

[Brown, Jon Brow]

Somewhere in the US ? :laugh:
Latinamerica it will be.

(Oxford is the oldest in the "technically" Western Hemisphere while Salamanca is the second oldest, or viceversa :p :)

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif

:dozey: :p

[donKey jote]

:dozey: :p

tis true... been to both but can't remember which one was first :p :dozey:

[EuroTroll]

tis true... been to both but can't remember which one was first :p :dozey:

Obviously Oxford came first! 'Tis a fact known by all, despite the propaganda done during the Spanish Inquisition, which noone expected.

As for the answer for the Troll's initially inappropriately formed question, it has to be the Tenochtitlan University of Theology and Calendars, hasn't it. Founded in 1398.

[BDunnell]

As for the answer for the Troll's initially inappropriately formed question, it has to be the Tenochtitlan University of Theology and Calendars, hasn't it. Founded in 1398.

And wasn't it nice that the sole survivor of that year's inaugural class was selected to be the Republican candidate in the last Presidential election?

[anthonyvop]

As for the answer for the Troll's initially inappropriately formed question, it has to be the Tenochtitlan University of Theology and Calendars, hasn't it. Founded in 1398.
I said University. Not some invention of overly romantic imagination.

It is still open today.

[BDunnell]

I bet the required answer is the 'University of Life'.

[donKey jote]

Obviously Oxford came first! 'Tis a fact known by all, despite the propaganda done during the Spanish Inquisition, which noone expected.
yes well give or take 50 years and with a lax definition of what a university actually is (in the case of Oxford :p : )... everything is anything but obvious :)

[Lousada]

I googled (or wikied) this and it says Bologna is the oldest university followed by Paris, Oxford, Cambridge and Salamanca :o
Of course I now also know the answer to the question but as I cheated I won't tell.

[Camelopard]

can we use boogle to find answers for this thread?

I asked this question because it is obvious that vop has quoted from wiki or some such in his answer about the non-aligned movement, therefore his answer should be declared null and void, his question deleted and someone else ask a question.


April 1955

It's purpose was suppose to be " to ensure "the national independence, sovereignty, territorial integrity and security of non-aligned countries" in their "struggle against imperialism, colonialism, neo-colonialism, racism, and all forms of foreign aggression, occupation, domination, interference or hegemony as well as against great power and bloc politics"

[EuroTroll]

I said University. Not some invention of overly romantic imagination.

Invention of romantic imagination, eh? Tell that to Martin Luther!

If it weren't for Luther's correspondance with Huitzilopochtli, Professor of Monotheism at Tenochtitlan, and the encouragement he got from him, we might have never had the Reformation!

Why do you think Cortés was initially so cordially welcomed by the Aztecs? Because he and his gang of thugs were thought to be exchange students from the University of Valladolid! The student exchange program having been agreed on in 1502, during Columbus's 4th voyage.

But ok, if you want one that's still open today, I guess it'll have to be the Machu Picchu Polytechnic, now the University of Lima.

[donKey jote]

vop obviously only wants what his wikipage tells him :p :

[steve_spackman]

next....

[anthonyvop]

Jeez.

A straightforward question and you guys have to get all Euroweenie on me.

[Camelopard]

Jeez.

A straightforward question and you guys have to get all Euroweenie on me.

any clues for the clueless? :)

[anthonyvop]

any clues for the clueless? :)
In the Caribbean.

[Camelopard]

Cuba would be too obvious an answer! :)

[Camelopard]

Going back to the question, what constitutes the Western Hemishere? If it is anything west of 0 degrees then I'd say that Morocco would have the oldest uni.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Al-Karaouine

[donKey jote]

Vop has already "clarified" the question: Western Hemisphere means "the Americas" :)

[Camelopard]

Vop has already "clarified" the question: Western Hemisphere means "the Americas" :)

Yes I know, I was just trying to sh*t stir.......... :)

[donKey jote]

What he hasn't clarified yet, is what he means by "University"...
I'm not sure Morrocco would fit in his "world view" anyway ;) :p :

[EuroTroll]

What he hasn't clarified yet, is what he means by "University"...

Yes, that is a "pickle", isn't it... I've also erred on the side of foolery, in my mock histories, I have to confess. :D A Polytechnic is not a University, is it. (So Machu Picchu is out, after all. :p : ) At least not according to the classical definition.

Which is, as far as I know - An institute of higher education offering degrees in (at least) these four subjects: Arts, Medicine, Law, Theology.

Is that what you have in mind, Tony VithOutPapers? :p :

[donKey jote]

studiorse, I think the VOP in Big Tony C. stands for Very Opinionated Person :p :

[Camelopard]

OK I boogled it, therefore I win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_de_Santo_Domingo

My question is:

What famous Russian institution is celebrating its centenary this month?

[edv]

Ummm I would guess the KGB?

[Camelopard]

Ummm I would guess the KGB?


they were formed in 1917.

[Camelopard]

studiorse, I think the VOP in Big Tony C. stands for Very Opinionated Person :p :

I'd change the opinionated for obnoxious, then you may be close. :)

[anthonyvop]

OK I boogled it, therefore I win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universidad_de_Santo_Domingo

My question is:

What famous Russian institution is celebrating its centenary this month?
Russian Ballet

[johnpeter]

I will kick it off by posting this question..
________________________________

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monster milk (http://www.2hugenutrition.com/home.cfm)

[Camelopard]

Russian Ballet

The Ballets Russes was a ballet company established in 1909 by the Russian impresario Serge Diaghilev.

[schmenke]

Yes, that is a "pickle", isn't it... I've also erred on the side of foolery, in my mock histories, I have to confess. :D A Polytechnic is not a University, is it. (So Machu Picchu is out, after all. :p : ) At least not according to the classical definition.

Which is, as far as I know - An institute of higher education offering degrees in (at least) these four subjects: Arts, Medicine, Law, Theology...

Around here a university is an institution where the minimum standards for curricula are regulated by the federal government.

A college sets their own standards.

By federal legislate, the following four professions require a university degree:
Law
Medicine
Engineering
Teaching

[Camelopard]

So we start over? No boogling answers, questions that most of the forum members could answer regardless of where they live?

wotcha reckon?

[Easy Drifter]

OK here is an easy one I think.
Who is/was David Stirling.

[edv]

Ummm I'll bite -- How about the inventor of the Sterling Engine?

[Camelopard]

no idea!

[Easy Drifter]

Sorry EDV.
I am surprised no one has got this one so far.
He is/was not Cdn.

[Camelopard]

Who is/was David Stirling.

I know who David Irving is! Close enough?

[chuck34]

Ok so either no one cares, or no one knows. Hopefully it's the first, and not the second option. If it is the second, the God help us all.

I've already answered a question, so here's a hint. Think acronymn.

[Camelopard]

Ok so either no one cares, or no one knows. Hopefully it's the first, and not the second option. If it is the second, the God help us all.

I've already answered a question, so here's a hint. Think acronymn.

Still no idea, why "God help us all" if I don't know?

[Easy Drifter]

Does this help:
Colonel Sir David Stirling, Dec'd 1994.
Founder of the ---

I will give the answer tomorrow if those hints do not help.

[Camelopard]

Colonel, military, still no idea. Not one of the areas of history that I'm particulary interested in.

Does '---' mean a 3 letter word or as chuck hinted an acronym with 3 words?

Died 1994, probably lived to be average age of 75? probably born in late 19teens, therefore second WW.

'Sir' probably a pom, but not necessarily, could be Australian, NZ or a few others. My father would know, but he's dead so I can't ask him.

SOE?

[Easy Drifter]

Not SOE but the S is correct. Full name is 3 words but the acronym is acceptable.
One more hint 'Who Dares, Wins'
The organization is still very active.

[Tazio]

Special Air Service. AKA SAS

[Camelopard]

Special Air Service. AKA SAS

Ah poos, I go away for a few minutes and someone else comes up with the answer......... :) :)

[Tazio]

Who were the "Marocchinate"?
Name the engagement that preceded the execution of this atrocity!

[Easy Drifter]

Yes Tazio was correct. Sir David Stirling founded the SAS in the desert during WW2. He was not knighted until the year of his death.
They are active today in Afghanistan, probably in Iraq and likely in Pakistan.
They operate in secret and mostly undetected. Probably the most effective of any of the Special Forces.
Very few recruits make it through training to join the regiment. All are already regular army before they try for the SAS.

[chuck34]

Still no idea, why "God help us all" if I don't know?

Sorry that may have been a bit of hyperbole. I was just talking to someone else (in real life) about how bad our education system is, and that sort of bled over to that statement. Sorry.

[anthonyvop]

Who were the "Marocchinate"?
Name the engagement that preceded the execution of this atrocity!

never heard of it so i looked it up.......Almost sorry I did.

[Camelopard]

Who were the "Marocchinate"?
Name the engagement that preceded the execution of this atrocity!

I'm going to need some clues! (please!)

[Tazio]

In 1960 Sophia Loren won the Best Actress Academy Award for her role in a movie made on this subject!
It was the first Major Academy Award given to a non English speaking film!

[555-04Q2]

Who were the "Marocchinate"?
Name the engagement that preceded the execution of this atrocity!

I watched a documentary on this subject so it aint fair for me to answer. All I will say is it was one of the most dispicable acts of the 20th century.

[anthonyvop]

I watched a documentary on this subject so it aint fair for me to answer. All I will say is it was one of the most dispicable acts of the 20th century.
It was bad but "one of the most dispicable acts of the 20th century."
Really?
Worse than Soviet purges that led to over 30 million killed?
Worse than the Nazi's genocide?
Worse than the Chinese's murder of 40 million?
Worse than the Killing Fields of Cambodia?
Worse that the government created famine of Ethiopia?
Worse than the Rape of Nanking?
Worse than the Japanese treatment of prisoners in WW2?
Worse than the Balkans?
Worse than Rhuanda?
Worse than Amrmenia?

It was a terrible incident in history. Should never had happened. But pales in comparison to other incidents.

[Tazio]

Hey guys, this was not meant to be a controversial question! As an Italian-American it has no influence on my view of Moroccans.
SSS' you said you saw a documentary. That doesn't disqualify you from answering!
Only Google, Wiki, and the like are out of bounds.

[Lousada]

Moroccans going on a rampage after the liberation of Monte Cassino?? What do you mean with engagement?

[555-04Q2]

It was bad but "one of the most dispicable acts of the 20th century."
Really?
Worse than Soviet purges that led to over 30 million killed?
Worse than the Nazi's genocide?
Worse than the Chinese's murder of 40 million?
Worse than the Killing Fields of Cambodia?
Worse that the government created famine of Ethiopia?
Worse than the Rape of Nanking?
Worse than the Japanese treatment of prisoners in WW2?
Worse than the Balkans?
Worse than Rhuanda?
Worse than Amrmenia?

It was a terrible incident in history. Should never had happened. But pales in comparison to other incidents.

FFS, youre a dumbass. I never said it was worse than the other ones you have now mentioned, or that it was the worst act or worse than other acts, only that it was a dispicable act.

Back to the point of this thread...

[anthonyvop]

FFS, youre a dumbass. I never said it was worse than the other ones you have now mentioned, or that it was the worst act or worse than other acts, only that it was a dispicable act.

Back to the point of this thread...
You stated it was one of the most despicable acts of the 20th century.

While terrible it isn't even in the top 50.

[Breeze]

You stated it was one of the most despicable acts of the 20th century.

While terrible it isn't even in the top 50.

Perhaps not on scale with those other atrocities, but by degree easily rates, IMHO.

[Lousada]

I don't think you can "score" atrocities.
Please, someone answer the question or pose a new one.

[Tazio]

Moroccans going on a rampage after the liberation of Monte Cassino?? What do you mean with engagement?you are correct! By engagement I meant The Battle of Monte Cassino. As bad as they behaved afterward, this group was brilliant in battle.

On May 14 Moroccan Goumiers, travelling through the mountains parallel to the Liri valley, ground which was undefended because it was not thought possible to traverse such terrain, outflanked the German defense materially assisting XIII Corps in the valley.

The day following the battle, the Goumiers, French Moroccan colonial troops attached to the French Expeditionary Forces, rampaged through the surrounding hills, plundering the countryside. Several supposed horrific crimes against the Italian peasants were committed, such as rape, murder and torture. [1] Such crimes became known in Italy by the adjective Marocchinate meaning to be "act committed by Moroccans".

Your question Lou! :)

[Lousada]

Okay, what do Edward V (of England) and Louis VIII (of France) have in common??

[anthonyvop]

Okay, what do Edward V (of England) and Louis VIII (of France) have in common??
They were both Kings.


Next question.

[4mula1]

before funding ANY charity. please visit. MRMCMED.ORG (learn how charities misspend research dollars) and PCRM.ORG, read what the march of dimes spends 30 million dollars a year on. ps, animal research has NEVER been validated. "if curing mouse cancers were enough. we would have cured cancer IN THE 60S" dr. donald morton, john wayne cancer institute. "work on prevention of polio was LONG DELAYED by an erroneous conception of the nature of the human disease based on MISLEADING experimental models of the disease in monkeys" albert sabin, m.d., during a 1984 house subcommittee.

[Tazio]

They were both Kings.


Next question.
:rotflmao:

[Caroline]

Edward V - wasn't he just a boy when he became monarch, declared illegitimate by his rivals and thrown in the tower, only for his bones to be discovered much later? Who knows what actually happened to him? Was Louis VIII's legitimacy questioned too?

Am guessing wildly here?

[Tazio]

Louie was a direct descendant of Edward!
A grandson, or great-grandson I think! :confused:

[Lousada]

They were both Kings.


Next question.

Wrong :imu:

[Lousada]

Edward V - wasn't he just a boy when he became monarch, declared illegitimate by his rivals and thrown in the tower, only for his bones to be discovered much later? Who knows what actually happened to him? Was Louis VIII's legitimacy questioned too?

Am guessing wildly here?

You are very much on the right track.
Here is a hint: Louis VIII was involved in the first barons' war 1215-17.

[edv]

Edward V - wasn't he just a boy when he became monarch?..
Actually, I was well into my teens LOL

[Camelopard]

more clues?

[Tazio]

They both participated in the Crusades but I need more data :mad:

[Lousada]

They both participated in the Crusades but I need more data :mad:

No they didn't. Edward V is the child king as already mentioned. Louis VIII assisted some rebel English baron's in the civil war of 1215-17. He conquered most of England. Here is were the common aspect is.
Legitimacy questioned is, as I said, very much on the right track. I'm looking for a more concrete answer. Hint: Why was their legitimacy questioned?

[Mark in Oshawa]

Both are "b a s t a r d s" ? That is....the product of a mistress who produced the only heir?

[edv]

That would've been my guess, too.

[Lousada]

Nope.

[Tazio]

Nope.
ooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh angry!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :)

[Lousada]

This is not going anywhere, so here is the answer. Both of them were once proclaimed king of England, and were the effective rulers, yet they were never actually crowned. So technically they were never actual kings.

[Camelopard]

It's been about 6 weeks since this topic moved so I beg the indulgence of all posters to ask a question.

The man on the moon walk was been in the news lately, celebrating 40 years of the occurence of the uttering of those famous words, "one small step..... and so on', anyway my question if I am allowed is:

Where were the pictures and audio received from the moon (providing of course it wasn't a stunt performed in the desert of New Mexico), ie what tracking station provided the link to Houston? Closest city will probably be accepted..........

[chuck34]

It's been about 6 weeks since this topic moved so I beg the indulgence of all posters to ask a question.

The man on the moon walk was been in the news lately, celebrating 40 years of the occurence of the uttering of those famous words, "one small step..... and so on', anyway my question if I am allowed is:

Where were the pictures and audio received from the moon (providing of course it wasn't a stunt performed in the desert of New Mexico), ie what tracking station provided the link to Houston? Closest city will probably be accepted..........

Without thinking about it too hard. I think it was in the Pacific. The Phillipenes?

[jim mcglinchey]

I think that this refers to the Sam Neil movie The Dish....am I getting warm?

[Mark in Oshawa]

It was the tracking station in Australia in Victoria

[chuck34]

I just remembered, Scout's honor I didn't go and look it up.

It was in Guam.

I remember reading a story on the guy that was like 9 or 10 then, who's father worked at the tracking station. There was some sort of dish that was stuck, bad bearing. In order to rebuild the bearing it would have been like a 10 hour job. No good, landing over. But this kid could reach inside and grease the thing up. That was good enough to get teh dish working again. So on went the landing.

At least I think that's right.

[Camelopard]

The Pacific yes, but not The Philippines.

[Rollo]

I think that this refers to the Sam Neil movie The Dish....am I getting warm?

Very warm.

The signals from the moon landing as they landed were picked up by Goldstone Deep Space station in the Mojave Desert, a better feed was picked up at Honeysuckle Creek, and then the worldwide broadcast was taken from Parkes radio telescope.

The Dish and Moonshot are the two best films with regards this.

[Camelopard]

Very warm.

The signals from the moon landing as they landed were picked up by Goldstone Deep Space station in the Mojave Desert, a better feed was picked up at Honeysuckle Creek, and then the worldwide broadcast was taken from Parkes radio telescope.

The Dish and Moonshot are the two best films with regards this.

The first eight minutes were from Honeysuckle Creek near Canberra, well there you go I always thought it was Tidbinbilla also close to Canberra!

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/07/21/2631897.htm


"But many remain unaware of the significant role played by Honeysuckle Creek, near Canberra.
"The role of Honeysuckle Creek is one of the unsung stories of the moon landing," astronomer-in-charge of Anglo-Australian Observatory Dr Fred Watson told ABC News Online.
"Honeysuckle Creek has been neglected in history."
Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station, along with another main telescope in Goldstone, California, beamed the first eight minutes of Armstrong's historic moon steps to the world on July 21, 1969 and, with its antenna, also kept a watchful eye on the spacecraft for the entire mission."


Next question Rollo!

[chuck34]

Ah, I was a bit off on my story. See I told you I didn't look it up. :-)

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/07/20/apollo11.irpt/index.html?iref=newssearch

It was for the landing back on Earth. The rest was about right though.

[Rollo]

The United States of America has had one Emperor. In which city did he live, and when did he abolish Congress?

[Camelopard]

The United States of America has had one Emperor. In which city did he live, and when did he abolish Congress? Surely Fousto knows the answer to this one! I certainly don't...........................

[Rollo]

Believe it or not this is a serious question. I've even visited this man's gravestone.

[Camelopard]

Believe it or not this is a serious question. I've even visited this man's gravestone.


Some clues perchance?

[chuck34]

The United States of America has had one Emperor. In which city did he live, and when did he abolish Congress?

Would it be Maximillion I? I don't know what city he would have been in though.

[Rollo]

Would it be Maximillion I? I don't know what city he would have been in though.

Maximilian I was the Emperor of Mexico, not of the United States.

The Emperor in question had currency issued in the name of his Imperial Government, and eventually two of his decrees did see completion, though not in any way because of his efforts.

[chuck34]

Maximilian I was the Emperor of Mexico, not of the United States.

The Emperor in question had currency issued in the name of his Imperial Government, and eventually two of his decrees did see completion, though not in any way because of his efforts.

I know he was Emperor of Mexico, just thinking that maybe he ruled over New Mexico/Arizona/California/Texas or something. Sort of a trick?

Actually now that I think about it a bit more, wasn't there something with Jackson and Florida?

Ok enough of SWAG's, but the Jackson thing isn't too wild. If that isn't it, I'll stop.

[edv]

OK Back from the dead, with History!

Here's a Question:

Apart from being great observers of their surroundings, what did the following 2 guys have in common?

Vincent Van Gogh
Tycho Brahe

[Caroline]

They were European? Only joking...

I know that the big crater on the moon is named after Tycho Brahe (the one that makes it look like an orange!) and that astronomy was his passion, especially studying the moon. I know that Van Gogh liked to paint the night sky, often painting the moon.

Their link is observing the moon? Not really Earth Geography :s

[edv]

Nice try, Carrie, but not what I'm looking for.

[Malbec]

OK Back from the dead, with History!

Here's a Question:

Apart from being great observers of their surroundings, what did the following 2 guys have in common?

Vincent Van Gogh
Tycho Brahe

Van Gogh slashed off his ear and Tycho Brahe lost his nose in a duel so they both lost parts off their faces.

[edv]

Right on Dylan!
Van Gogh only lopped off his earlobe, but yes, they both went to their graves with bits missing from their heads!

Your Q

[Malbec]

Your Q

I'll have to get back to you on this one, though if anyone else has a great question I'm more than happy for them to ask it

[Storm]

I knew abt the Brahe and Van Gogh relation although I thought Tycho also lost an ear.

[EuroTroll]

I've got a question.

My signature -- Who did I nick it off? What's it all about? What happened to those concerned?

Doesn't have to be a complete answer. A good answer will do!

[edv]

The Whale Census of Carthage is Delirious? LOL I have no idea!

[EuroTroll]

The Whale Census of Carthage is Delirious? LOL I have no idea!

Well... Carthage is right! :) And the first hint: the Roman Senate.

[Malbec]

Well... Carthage is right! :) And the first hint: the Roman Senate.

IIRC it was a call to destroy Carthage to ensure it never threatened Rome again but can't remember who said it though, one of the Roman senators perhaps? ;)

[Lousada]

Well... Carthage is right! :) And the first hint: the Roman Senate.

Is it about those senators that wanted Carthage bombed? They didn't get what they wanted. So every time the senate was in session they proposed to invade Carthage, until finally everybody agreed.

[EuroTroll]

IIRC it was a call to destroy Carthage to ensure it never threatened Rome again but can't remember who said it though, one of the Roman senators perhaps? ;)

Good enough! :up: I hope you have a Q ready now, Dylan. :)

It was after the 2nd Punic War that the Roman senator Marcus Porcius Cato (aka Cato the Elder) ended all his Senate speeches, no matter on which topic, with, "Furthermore, I think Carthage must be destroyed." Carthage was completely destroyed in the 3rd Punic War with the survivors sold to slavery. It was later rebuilt as a Roman colony.


Is it about those senators that wanted Carthage bombed? They didn't get what they wanted. So every time the senate was in session they proposed to invade Carthage, until finally everybody agreed.

Not far from the truth, either.

[Malbec]

Good enough! :up: I hope you have a Q ready now, Dylan. :)

OK here's one thats unashamedly biased towards Londoners:

With which one of Henry the 8ths wives was the delightful part of London called Elephant and Castle linked with and how?

[EuroTroll]

Did one of them get the choppy-chop there?

Nice link with the previous question btw. As we know, the Elephant and Castle was named when Hannibal laid siege to the castle with his elephants. That's according to the famous British historian Derek Trotter. :p :

[EuroTroll]

How's about a clue, Dylan? Lest this thread redies. :)

[bowler]

Wikipedia has a diffeent slant on the name:

The "Elephant and Castle" is derived from a coaching inn of that name on the site. The earliest surviving record of this name relating to the area is in the Court Leet Book of the Manor of Walworth. This local court had met at "Elephant and Castle, Newington" on 21 March 1765. Previously the site was occupied by a blacksmith and cutler – the coat of arms of the Worshipful Company of Cutlers features an elephant with a castle on its back, which in turn was used because of the use of elephant ivory in handles.

'Newington' is one of the most common place names in England (see Newington Green and Stoke Newington in north London), and from 1750 the area became more important and so the informal name, from the pub at this junction, was adopted. Compare 'Angel' at Islington, or Bricklayers Arms a short distance along New Kent Road from Elephant and Castle.

The inn site was rebuilt in 1816 and again in 1898, although the present Elephant & Castle pub, at the junction of New Kent Road and Newington Causeway, offering budget accommodation on its upper floors, was part of the 1960s comprehensive redevelopment.
[edit] Folk etymologies

A common folk etymology is that the name of the area comes from a corruption of "la [[Infanta de Castilla" referring to any of a number of Spanish princesses connected to English history including Eleanor of Castile, Catherine of Aragon, and Maria, daughter of Philip III of Spain.[2] However, there is no trace of the informal name before the reference of 1765. If the pub had had a different name, then because of its prominence on the principal routes, the area likely would have been called by that name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elephant_and_castle

I have driven through there lots of times, but don't recall Hannibal passing that way, nor Henry Vlll. The Spanish derivative gives a clue that my wife knew but I didn't.

[edv]

The rules are the same as the 'how good is your geography?'



Rules say no Googling unless directed.
Hints, however, are encouraged for tougher questions.

How can you say it has nothing to do with Henry VIII when it clearly suggests that Catherine Of Aragon was connected to the Infanta de Castilla ?

So what now? Who gets the next Question?

[EuroTroll]

So what now? Who gets the next Question?

You. ;)

[edv]

If you insist.

I conquered Egypt.
I was the Queen of a large and arid empire.
I was captured and paraded in Rome in golden chains.

Who am I?

[Mark in Oshawa]

If you insist.

I conquered Egypt.
I was the Queen of a large and arid empire.
I was captured and paraded in Rome in golden chains.

Who am I?

Cleopatra?

[edv]

Negatory, Mark.

[Malbec]

How can you say it has nothing to do with Henry VIII when it clearly suggests that Catherine Of Aragon was connected to the Infanta de Castilla ?

Apologies for not being around to sort out replies to my own question. Your answer though is exactly my understanding of the origin of the name with Catherine having been banished to a cottage in that area after she was divorced.

[Mark in Oshawa]

If you insist.

I conquered Egypt.
I was the Queen of a large and arid empire.
I was captured and paraded in Rome in golden chains.

Who am I?

I realized it couldn't have been Cleopatra. That said...now I am really NOT sure at all...

[edv]

If you insist.

I conquered Egypt.
I was the Queen of a large and arid empire.
I was captured and paraded in Rome in golden chains.

Who am I?

A hint:

The remains of my city still stand in the Syrian desert

[markabilly]

probably zenobia....cleopatra did not go to rome in chains as a prisoner, , but zenobia led a revolt against Rome, won and then lost, and was taken to Rome and beheaded...

[Sonic]

probably zenobia....cleopatra did not go to rome in chains as a prisoner, , but zenobia led a revolt against Rome, won and then lost, and was taken to Rome and beheaded...

Who? Gonna have to google....

[EuroTroll]

Ah! Would that be Cleopatra's sister?

[edv]

Markabilly has it right. Queen Zenobia ruled over the 3rd largest empire of the time (around 270-ish BC) from her city of Palmyra.

http://www.uth-syria.net/images/palmera.jpg

Not certain about her being be-headed though. Some accounts have her surviving in Rome for years.

Your go, Markabilly.

[markabilly]

Markabilly has it right. Queen Zenobia ruled over the 3rd largest empire of the time (around 270-ish BC) from her city of Palmyra.

http://www.uth-syria.net/images/palmera.jpg

Not certain about her being be-headed though. Some accounts have her surviving in Rome for years.

Your go, Markabilly.
why I remember is her name was similar to zenophobia.....but as to the rest.... :confused:

Okay what is Spanish about the Spanish Armada???
why is it signifigant, even today????

[fandango]

Eh... it was from Spain? :dork:

[markabilly]

Eh... it was from Spain? :dork:
errr......to answer your specific question, not exactly :s mokin:

[markabilly]

errr......to answer your specific question, not exactly :s mokin:
but you are very close

[EuroTroll]

It was funded by Spain?

Significance -- why, we'd probably be having this discussion in Dago-talk if they'd won. :)

[markabilly]

It was funded by Spain?

Significance -- why, we'd probably be having this discussion in Dago-talk if they'd won. :)
25% right, but the spanish spoke something strangely called spanish

and the english upper class talked a lot in french and latin already;

nobody except Italians spoke Italian

[EuroTroll]

25% right, but the spanish spoke something strangely called spanish

and the english upper class talked a lot in french and latin already;

nobody except Italians spoke Italian

Shocking! :p :

Actually, in British slang, a "dago" is usually a Spaniard, I believe. At least that's how Blackadder used it.

What was the 25% that was right?

[markabilly]

Shocking! :p :

Actually, in British slang, a "dago" is usually a Spaniard, I believe. At least that's how Blackadder used it.

What was the 25% that was right?
Okay close enough.

The answer was "very little".

When Columbus discovered the new world, Tech and industry in Spain was by far the best in the world. Best ships, etc. A hundred years later, Spain had gotten so much gold, it was just a nation of bankers and the great industrial bases were gone to other countries who actually built the ships and guns (inluding a very small number of Portuguese galleons, with Italy, france, belgium , antwerp and so on, supplying the rest)

Sound familair as to the modern day USA????

Your turn.

[EuroTroll]

Okay close enough.

Wow, that was unexpected. Will have to think about a Q. If anyone has one -- go right ahead.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Here is ancient history for you: What place in Europe is reportedly known as the last hold out of Neanderthal man? The last place people figure they lived before being displaced by Cro-magnons?

[markabilly]

Here is ancient history for you: What place in Europe is reportedly known as the last hold out of Neanderthal man? The last place people figure they lived before being displaced by Cro-magnons?
in Spain, was about the last evidence.....

[Mark in Oshawa]

in Spain, was about the last evidence.....
According to what I read on Wiki...you are close...but no cigar

[markabilly]

According to what I read on Wiki...you are close...but no cigar
Wiki????????????????what do they know

Alps?

[donKey jote]

Gibraltar... ie southern Spain ;) :p
markabilly got it :D

[markabilly]

Gibraltar... ie Spain ;) :p



Not if you are british :rolleyes:

U take it, if you be right on the actual name

[donKey jote]

I´m Irish ;)
The Neanderthals got cornered in the south of the iberian peninsula by the ice sheets.

You take it... I´ll take yer missus :arrows:

[donKey jote]

actually billy you might have been completely right with your frst guess...
Gorham´s cave in Gibraltar doesn´t have the most recent bones found to date (these were found in Zafarraya -Spain) but what were thought to be the most recent remains of Neanderthal presence (Mousterian "assemblages").
This article (http://anthropology.net/2009/10/30/a-cave-shut-by-closed-minds-la-carihuela-neanderthals-vs-the-junta/) implies an even earlier date for the latest Neanderthals in southern Spain (polen dating in Carihuela cave), and also mentions Mousterian finds in the North of Spain in the Picos de Europa dating “slightly more than twenty thousand years”.

Fascinating stuff for a donkey with slightly Neanderthal features like me...
... either way the question is yours :)

[Mark in Oshawa]

Donkey got it. I realize now that trusting Wiki to even get this little fact right may have been a mistake, but I will let the Neanderthal Donkey take it....

[markabilly]

Gibraltar... ie southern Spain ;) :p
t :D


Not if you are british




I´m Irish ;)
The Neanderthals got cornered in the south of the iberian peninsula by the ice sheets.

You take it... I´ll take yer missus :arrows:
I got eight. I will send you the loud one, after having yours, you will find her much more fun. Just wear ear plugs when in ex post facto delicto.

Sorry Mark Oshawa, gots to bump in just for the donkey.
And the question is how ain't gibralter not spain? as in why and details thereof.


Irish? slight Neanderthal? I thought you were a donkey buzzard in brazil. Well, dont matter, no difference.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I got eight. I will send you the loud one, after having yours, you will find her much more fun. Just wear ear plugs when in ex post facto delicto.

Sorry Mark Oshawa, gots to bump in just for the donkey.
And the question is how ain't gibralter not spain? as in why and details thereof.


Irish? slight Neanderthal? I thought you were a donkey buzzard in brazil. Well, dont matter, no difference.

Gib is close..but NOT Spain. IF it was, then the Spanish wouldn't be trying to convince the UK to let them have it back.

[markabilly]

Gib is close..but NOT Spain. IF it was, then the Spanish wouldn't be trying to convince the UK to let them have it back.
err u finalLY WOKE UP.....so answer the question and you will be a winner....but either way, at least you will not be a Neanderthal donkey irish buzzard

[markabilly]

as i said, but not too clearly, must be the kool aid, gib ain't Brit, but how now, brown cow?
as in name of the deal

[Mark in Oshawa]

Gibralter was occupied by the Brit's for some reason. The Treaty of Utrecht granted it to them and the Spanish gov't at that time was ok with it, but basically ever since they have been trying to get it back.

I would Wiki and cheat, but I believe I have the gist of it. The Brits were there for some purpose, not necessairly conquest, but somehow they just liked it so much, they couldn't give it back.

Neat place....

[markabilly]

Gibralter was occupied by the Brit's for some reason. The Treaty of Utrecht granted it to them and the Spanish gov't at that time was ok with it, but basically ever since they have been trying to get it back.

I would Wiki and cheat, but I believe I have the gist of it. The Brits were there for some purpose, not necessairly conquest, but somehow they just liked it so much, they couldn't give it back.

Neat place....
close enough

it was gateway to the Mediterranean from atlantic ocean and u right on treaty

[fandango]

Gibralter was occupied by the Brit's for some reason.....

A similar thing has happened in Lloret De Mar.