The Ferrari thread !

[Sonic]

They couldn't just call it the F2011 and move on? :p

No :p

I do miss the days when Ferrari numbering meant something; the 312's, 412T's etc...

[Hawkmoon]

No :p

I do miss the days when Ferrari numbering meant something; the 312's, 412T's etc...

Me too. I'd much rather see the car called the 248T6 (do they still mount the 'box transversely these days?). I never liked the F(insert year here) naming system. It's generic and boring.

[555-04Q2]

But there already is a F-150

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200608/2007-ford-f-150-6_460x0w.jpg

Nothing like testing the copyright police :p :

[Dave B]

But there already is a F-150

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200608/2007-ford-f-150-6_460x0w.jpg

Which has a similar performance to last year's HRT...

[Don Capps]

No :p

I do miss the days when Ferrari numbering meant something; the 312's, 412T's etc...

And those were not even the actual designations of the machines by the factory....

[Tazio]

The look of the the F150 is really starting to grow on me!


http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/168984.jpg

http://photos.gpupdate.net/large/169747.jpg

I sure don't miss the bar code!!


http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/alon_ferr_jere_2011-7.jpg

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/alon_ferr_jere_2011-21.jpg

I'm Feeling A Little Verklempt … Talk Amongst Yourselves. ;(

[pino]

Personally I don't care how innovative the car is...as long it's the fastest :p :

[DexDexter]

Personally I don't care how innovative the car is...as long it's the fastest :p :

Yep, quite often those visually innovative cars are actually slow. Remember Mclaren from 95 with the middle wing. :D

[SGWilko]

Yep, quite often those visually innovative cars are actually slow. Remember Mclaren from 95 with the middle wing. :D

Hmmmmm, the driver didn't fit either which wasn't much help.........

[Big Ben]

Henners thinks McLaren sidepods are beautiful, I think they are pretty ugly. chacun a son gout... or something like that. However, who else's glad the station wagon look's gone? I most certainly am. All cars look better now. 2 years (I think) have gone by and I still don't care much for these disproportionate wings.

[Tazio]

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/alon_ferr_jere_2011-7.jpg



http://www.f1-direct.net/2011/img/jerez/115.jpg (http://www.f1-direct.net/2011/img/jerez/115.jpg)

I see Ferrari have added some gills! :eek:
I wonder if Ferrari are trying out extra cooling solutions for hot races, and if they are legal ?

[Mia 01]

I think Ferraris new car will be nearly as fast as Red Bulls or therabout, but the question I ask myself is if Alonso can beat Vettel even with an equal car.

[Tazio]

I think Ferraris new car will be nearly as fast as Red Bulls or therabout, but the question I ask myself is if Alonso can beat Vettel even with an equal car.
The pilot that puts his car on the pole most often will win the WDC. IMHO
That would include other pilots than just Fred, and SV!

[SGWilko]

The pilot that puts his car on the pole most often will win the WDC.

Hmmmmm, not necessarily so. Does a fast car in qually mean it heats the tyres up quicker? Does this mean it is tougher on tyre wear? If so, they'll get mugged in the race as the tyres degrade so fast.

The strategists have got a real hard task this year.

[Tazio]

Hmmmmm, not necessarily so. Does a fast car in qually mean it heats the tyres up quicker? Does this mean it is tougher on tyre wear? If so, they'll get mugged in the race as the tyres degrade so fast.

The strategists have got a real hard task this year.
I hope your right and the P's make that much difference, because if it wasn't for teammates taking each other out, and some mechanical failures, last season would have been really boring. Having the adjustable rear wing should be a wash, but I suppose that some teams could make a difference with superior KERS!

[ioan]

The pilot that puts his car on the pole most often will win the WDC. IMHO
That would include other pilots than just Fred, and SV!

Really?
Last time I checked SV had quite a margin when it comes to taking pole positions during a season.

[Tazio]

Really?
Last time I checked SV had quite a margin when it comes to taking pole positions during a season. and he won a WDC! I hope you didn't miss my point :confused:
as I went on to say:


because if it wasn't for teammates taking each other out, and some mechanical failures, last season would have been really boringMeaning he could have won it much earlier!!

[Tazio]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/f1photos/5456898676/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Anyone care to venture a guess what the little vent at the bottom of the rear crash structure is for? :confused:
The entire RCS is covered with heat-reactive stickers. That is for exhaust gas passing over it on the outside correct?

[Tazio]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/f1photos/5456898676/sizes/o/in/photostream/

Anyone care to venture a guess what the little vent at the bottom of the rear crash structure is for? :confused:
The entire RCS is covered with heat-reactive stickers. That is for exhaust gas passing over it on the outside correct?
It previously looked like this. hmmmm! :idea: :mark:

http://www.suttonimages.com/fotoweb/FWbin/preview.dll/dmk1110fe226.jp.jpg?D=DBBF60DBFBD6A913F7FA633B97E6 7590FA17E75E9484CBB515C4F0DD6BFF94F6E3E4B1C7693656 548D5987E213052F8F47D80A9C3CE7C4420168FF1C6E3AFD86 0A5EABB1A7ACEC7503F7D940F601AD4050DA331ACE0C686F7D 5C996CCEF999B2491F6FE7DE60DEDCE3B55A00FFF6C920
http://www.suttonimages.com/fotoweb/FWbin/preview.dll/dmk1110fe236.jp.jpg?D=DBBF60DBFBD6A913E7C26B1F3CB5 38F8FA17E75E9484CBB515C4F0DD6BFF94F6E3E4B1C7693656 548D5987E213052F8F47D80A9C3CE7C4420168FF1C6E3AFD86 0A5EABB1A7ACEC75EB38D17E3FC8DADB50DA331ACE0C686F7D 5C996CCEF999B2491F6FE7DE60DEDCE3B55A00FFF6C920

[ioan]

and he won a WDC! I hope you didn't miss my point :confused:
as I went on to say:

Meaning he could have won it much earlier!!

No, I didn't miss that point, I just didn't believe that you need a tap on the shoulder for getting that one right! :p

[Tazio]

No, I didn't miss that point, I just didn't believe that you need a tap on the shoulder for getting that one right! :p

Then why even mention it! :confused:

[Mia 01]

Ferrari needs to sort out their reliability right this year cause they don´t got the fastest car.

[F1boat]

Ferrari needs to sort out their reliability right this year cause they don´t got the fastest car.

IMO it's their pace and their strategy which are most worrying.

[Tazio]

Interesting developments on the Ferrari... I haven't got a clue to be honest. Part of the exhaust gases being diverted through the RCS?? What advantage this would have I don't know. I was thinking it might be a vent for some sort of venturi effect (seems like an odd place to put it) in the exhaust configuration. Whether or not that is even beneficial I have no idea. It is so far aft it could be helpful in producing dirty air though. :idea: :p :confused:

[Tazio]

The wider nose pillars , part of the latest upgrade package , increased the quantity and quality of air passing under the nose and through the inner bargeboard-body zone towards the sidepod bottoms . To prevent any bleeding of this stronger airflow out of the floor’s upper surface and mixing with air coming under the chassis, Ferrari added a small trapezoid fence on floor side (in yellow, bottom picture) . Any mixing between the two flow layers would create unwanted turbulence and ruin significantly diffuser efficiency .

As regards the sidepod panels , the vortex creator fin ( in yellow ,top picture ) is now gone .

http://formula1techandart.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/f-barcelona-february-18c-f.jpg?w=300&h=245

It worths remembering that Ferrari also moved to floor revisions last year on the F10 before season started and that was the time that team added the fin on sidepod panels to generate vortexes towards the rear wheels to cut drag
http://formula1techandart.wordpress.com/2011/03/18/ferrari-f150o-floor-improvements-part-of-the-latest-upgrade-package-just-before-season-starts/

[Tazio]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/597x478/sutton/2010/dcd1109ma50.jpg

http://a.yfrog.com/img619/5769/3s2px.jpg


Looks like this is the finnished product. I like the concept, just wonder if it is capable of putting a Beat-Down?

[Big Ben]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90868

what a moron. it turns out Ferrari must do better.... I wonder why noone thought of that before :rolleyes:

[ioan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/90868

what a moron. it turns out Ferrari must do better.... I wonder why noone thought of that before :rolleyes:

No way, he's a genius, he brought 'six tenths' to Ferrari! :D

[gloomyDAY]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91240

There's a calibration issue with Ferrari's wind tunnel, and the issue won't be resolved until September or October.

[ioan]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91240

There's a calibration issue with Ferrari's wind tunnel, and the issue won't be resolved until September or October.

This only proves that they are a bunch of lazy bums. :p

[gloomyDAY]

This only proves that they are a bunch of lazy bums. :p So much hate from the man that started this brown-nosing thread. :cool:

[ioan]

So much hate from the man that started this brown-nosing thread. :cool:

It's not hate it's called making fun, and you should learn to understand those smileys.
No, wait, continue talking rubbish it's the way to go nowadays. :D

[ioan]

Lazy bums, they were .5 seconds slower than the McLaren mechanics and lost Felipe a place he did fight hard for on the track.

[BDunnell]

So much hate from the man that started this brown-nosing thread. :cool:

The very first post really is hilarious, isn't it?

[N4D13]

This was a very flat performance from Felipe, although he was really hampered by circumstances. He/his engineers had chosen inappropriate gear ratios after they believed that Sunday wouldn't be as much windy as Saturday - and in the end, it was even windier. He couldn't really get the most out of DRS because of it.

That said, you could hardly say that Alonso didn't drive a great race.

[Hawkmoon]

Lazy bums, they were .5 seconds slower than the McLaren mechanics and lost Felipe a place he did fight hard for on the track.

And then Massa goes and throws it off the road in turn 8. I suppose that was Ferrari's fault too?

[ioan]

And then Massa goes and throws it off the road in turn 8. I suppose that was Ferrari's fault too?

Typical Ferrari fan post, comparing apples and bananas.

Maybe he should have just cruised around after they shafted it, so that you can also call him slow and so on, I bet you are salivating every time he makes the smallest mistake so you can slag him. As I said, typical.

[BDunnell]

There are posts in this thread that make my jaw drop.

[steveaki13]

There are posts in this thread that make me put my head in my hands.

[pino]

Typical Ferrari fan post, comparing apples and bananas.



Plenty of similar posts from you in here...whilst you were an huge Ferrari fan, so don't get shocked ;)

[555-04Q2]

Good race from Alonso :up: Red Bulls still untouchable though :(

[Hawkmoon]

Typical Ferrari fan post, comparing apples and bananas.

Maybe he should have just cruised around after they shafted it, so that you can also call him slow and so on, I bet you are salivating every time he makes the smallest mistake so you can slag him. As I said, typical.

Let me spell it out for you:

1. You blamed Massa's poor result entirely on Ferrari's pitstop mistakes

2. I responded that Massa contributed to his result by running off the road in turn 8 and not keeping his foot on the brake at the second bad pitstop

3. You refused to accept that Massa had any role in his poor result and continued to place the blame entirely on Ferrari, going so far as to claim that Massa running off the road was Ferrari's fault

Forgive me but I fail to see how I'm comparing apples and bananas here. Were talking about the reasons Massa had a poor result. Those reasons lie with both the team and the driver.

I like Massa and while he drives for Ferrari I want to see him succeed because that means Ferrari succeed. I'm a Ferrari fan first-and-foremost and I make no apologies for that. Drivers come second and always will.

Oh, and getting back to what Massa should have done after Ferrari messed up his first stop and let Hamilton through - he should have done exactly what Hamilton did when McLaren made an even bigger mess of his stop. Put his head down try and make the best of the situation. Instead Massa made an error that made his situation worse. That's not a criticism of Massa's effort as I'm sure he was trying. It's merely an observation that Massa contributed to his poor result with an unforced error.

[SGWilko]

This only proves that they are a bunch of lazy bums. :p

Or 'stinky wee poo's'! ;)

[Ranger]

Typical Ferrari fan post, comparing apples and bananas.

Maybe he should have just cruised around after they shafted it, so that you can also call him slow and so on, I bet you are salivating every time he makes the smallest mistake so you can slag him. As I said, typical.

You clearly did not read the sign:


Those who are not Ferrari fans are not welcome to spit their venom around here!

:D

[BDunnell]

What a shame the old forum is gone, thereby denying us the pleasure of re-posting some of ioan's Ferrari-related posts from but three short years ago. Reading his contributions on the subject now reminds me of the way past Soviet leaders were simply airbrushed out of history.

[Don Capps]

Those who are not Ferrari fans are not welcome to spit their venom around here!

When I was a schoolboy far back in the past, when Ascari left Scuderia Ferrari for Lancia, my loyalty shifted with him. For reasons that have nothing to do with anything but everything, I was already someone who leaned towards the Officine Alfieri Maserati team. That Scuderia Ferrari tanked during the 1954/55 seasons -- managing two very fortunate wins due more to drivers using their heads than the machines they were driving, did not do much to create much support for the team. Not that I ever disliked Ferrari, simply that I liked Maserati more. Indeed, in my one meeting with Enzo Ferrari during the practice sessions prior to the 1959 Gran Premio d'Italia, he was a very delightful man to talk to, very pleasant actually, taking the time to pay attention to me.

While never a great "fan" of Ferrari during the years I paid attention to the contemporary Grand Prix racing scene, likewise, I never wished it any ill. That thought simply never crossed my mind. However, the Ferrari organization that I grew up with is long gone. Whatever its flaws, foibles, and folllies it had a distinct, unique character. People forget that the team actually did came close to closing its doors a time or time, occasions when it as not Ferrari being a "drama queen" and sulking in his office over some offense, real or imagined. It is easy to forget that in the mid-Fifties that Scuderia Ferrari was often skating on thin ice financially, a reality although OMF exaggerated that by several factors to lure Fiat to provide a stipend to support the Italian effort, something that did not happen when Maserati hit its financial woes not long afterward.

Today's team is, literally, simply an entity bearing the name "Ferrari" and scarcely resembles the old Scuderia with all its, well, "character." The current team is as bloodless and sterile as the corporate entity it represents. It is difficult to get very enthused or warm up to such a team. Plus, the team's hyping itself being the "heart of Formula 1" is a bit much. It makes me want to retch at times when I read such nonsense. Of course, the same can be said for Formula 1 in general, but that is another story for another time.

Thus, it is always both a source of amusement as well as one of discouragement to me to see such warnings as cited above. Just a few skims and I was cured of reading any further.

[BDunnell]

Thus, it is always both a source of amusement as well as one of discouragement to me to see such warnings as cited above.

Indeed, but bless you for drawing our attention to the now hilarious remark in question once again...

[gloomyDAY]

I can't believe this thread is still open.

[Hawkmoon]

Today's team is, literally, simply an entity bearing the name "Ferrari" and scarcely resembles the old Scuderia with all its, well, "character." The current team is as bloodless and sterile as the corporate entity it represents. It is difficult to get very enthused or warm up to such a team. Plus, the team's hyping itself being the "heart of Formula 1" is a bit much. It makes me want to retch at times when I read such nonsense. Of course, the same can be said for Formula 1 in general, but that is another story for another time.

Thus, it is always both a source of amusement as well as one of discouragement to me to see such warnings as cited above. Just a few skims and I was cured of reading any further.

I can't agree with your assertion that Ferrari are "bloodless and sterile". Sure they have changed and are a very different team than they were 50 years ago but if they hadn't changed they wouldn't be here today. They had to change to survive but the team and it's supporters are anything but sterile. McLaren are sterile and corporate which is something that Ron Dennis cultivated but Ferrari? No chance! In fact their lack or corpoarte 'sterile-ness' stoppped them from succeeding for two decades.

As to whether they are the " heart of Formula 1", well that's a matter of opinion but if there's one team in F1 who could clain such a mantle it's surely Ferrari.

[SGWilko]

In fact their lack or corpoarte 'sterile-ness' stoppped them from succeeding for two decades.

I think you will find that was knee jerk headless chicken syndrome. Until LDM came along and hired JT, they were in a mess. A bit like the England football team, if they don't win we change the manager so there is never any lasting continuity. Doesn't help that the majority of the players are also thick ****'s mind you!

[ioan]

They were in a mess before Jean Todt and they are in a mess after they pushed him out.

[DexDexter]

They were in a mess before Jean Todt and they are in a mess after they pushed him out.

Yep, the mess before Todt was so bad that it took many many years to get them on their feet. Double floor cars, 3.0 V12s, cars designed in England cause the designer didn't want to spend time in Maranello etc.... Now they are doing ok because they still got good designers but if they lose one or two key people from the design office, then it's going to be chaos all over the place. I'm not hoping for that since F1 needs Ferrari.

[Hawkmoon]

So Ferrari are not a sterile team (harsh words in general) fair enough, but then you throw that insult on to McLaren? Get a grip. Quite pathetic. :down:


His choice of words, not mine.

[jens]

Poor race pace in Spain was surprising, but before that Ferrari's situation didn't look that dire. I mean both in China (Massa) and Turkey (Alonso) Ferrari finished just 10 seconds behind Vettel on the same strategy.

To be honest, I have been expecting more from Ferrari as I thought the switch to Pirelli tyres would suit them plus Aldo Costa and the team has been capable of designing at least good cars. Present situation seems like a pure Ferrari 94-95 kind of level. Wonder if current form is just an exception or are they going to be a distant third team for years to come?!

Massa seemed to come good again, but in the last races has fallen apart and been worse than I can remember him being in dry conditions! What is wrong? Can he rebound? Will he keep his place in the team?

[BDunnell]

They were in a mess before Jean Todt and they are in a mess after they pushed him out.

ioan, remember, those who are not Ferrari fans are not welcome to spit their venom around here!

[steveaki13]

ioan, remember, those who are not Ferrari fans are not welcome to spit their venom around here!

:laugh: :s mokin:

[Roamy]

Man I can't wait until Flavio joins Ferrari - Sluts will abound and Ferrari will be exciting again.

[Arjuna]

Red Bull uses the same engine or similar as it used by Renault. But they can perform far better than team whom their engine is supplied by.
Hiring a reputed engineer will give the same excitement and isn't less important than Flavio. :)

[donKey jote]

Nice race from Fernando. Let's see if he and Ferrari can start building up to a better second half of the season again, and maybe next year have a decent start of the season too :p

[555-04Q2]

Great drive from Alonso :up: Still a long way off the pace of RB & Macca, but as we saw last season he can catch up if Ferrari keeps developing the car successfully :)

[airshifter]

As much as I often think Alonso is a whining prick, he lofted that Ferrari up there today. :)

I wish someone showed how Lewis got inside Felipe at the tunnel. Once on the marbles he was screwed, and I wonder if it was a last second dive by Lewis that caught him off guard or if Felipe had time to react and get out of the gas. Until then he had a good race going as well.

[555-04Q2]

Ok boys and girls. What chance that Alonso grabs Ferrari's first win this year at the Canadian GP?

[F1boat]

Not good, but existent.

[555-04Q2]

Pessimist :p :

[steveaki13]

I think he has a chance.

Canada is always one of those races a bit like Monaco, when things can get mixed up a bit.

Alonso was competative in Practice and will surley be in the top 5 in the race.

So I think there is a realistic chance of a Ferrari win.

[555-04Q2]

Well Button took care of that then :(

[gloomyDAY]

Former technical boss Aldo Costa parts company with Ferrari - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/93198)

Finally!!

[Tazio]

I finally did what I've been threatening to do for some time now.

http://i.imgur.com/HbXSkry.jpg

I hope ioan approves :angel:

[markabilly]

I thought it was gonna be on da front side of the head???

[donKey jote]

you donkey !!!

[ioan]

I finally did what I've been threatening to do for some time now.

http://i.imgur.com/HbXSkry.jpg

I hope ioan approves :angel:

Nope.

That would only look good on a blond chick's left cheek, on a nice sunny beach. :D

[Tazio]

I thought it was gonna be on da front side of the head???In the immortal words of the late, great St.D.:
"How would you like a knuckle sandwich?" :dork:

[Tazio]

you donkey !!!You're another!! :rolleyes: :angel:

[steveaki13]

I finally did what I've been threatening to do for some time now.

http://i.imgur.com/HbXSkry.jpg

I hope ioan approves :angel:

Nice. What happens if you become a massive Red Bull Fan Taz. :uhoh:

[Tazio]

Nice. What happens if you become a massive Red Bull Fan Taz. :uhoh: I'll buy a hat :bulb: http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif :s ailor:

[Tazio]

Something very disengenous and meant to mislead oponents or at least not verify all data IMO about Ferrari:
Qualifying fifth feels like a miracle for Alonso | Sports | Reuters (http://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCABRE96Q08X20130727?rpc=401&feedType=RSS&feedName=sportsNews&pageNumber=2&virtualBrandChannel=0)

[Parabolica]

Enough is enough now for Domenicali.

I am not surprised that Alonso is linked to Red Bull. This man cannot stand and watch Domenicali's leadership stiffle his hopes yet again.

Domenicali is too weak. The Pirelli tyre issue is yet another example of his weakness. It is just like the EBD climbdown of 2011.

A Ferrari leader should not give any advantage away.

I pray that Montezemolo acts soon.

[wedge]

Car development is not good enough. Even with change of tyre construction and fellow 2013 tyre construction acolyte Lotus have looked strong in the last couple of races.

[Mia 01]

The recent news today wont end well. Did Ldm ever slanted Kimi public on their own site as they did to Fernando on his own birthday?

[BDunnell]

I like Alonso's comment about wanting someone else's car. Genuinely witty.

[N4D13]

I like Alonso's comment about wanting someone else's car. Genuinely witty.
What did he say exactly?

[Mia 01]

A Red Bull car, that´s what he asked for at his birthday. Ldm not so amused.

[dj_bytedisaster]

A Red Bull car, that´s what he asked for at his birthday. Ldm not so amused.

While his criticism of Ferrari is understandable and warranted, Fernando has made a critical mistake - he's publically put his own interest over that of the team. The last one, who did that was Prost and he was fired before the end of the season for it.
TJ13 reported today that there might be an announcement coming at Monza that he compared to a Richter 9 earthquake, so I wonder if Alonso has locked horns with the team one time too often

[kfzmeister]

I don't blame him. Ferrari has given him sh!t in the last four years. I would be frustrated as hell. He gives 120% every time. He's made that truck look like a racecar for the last four years! Next year won't be any different. Mercedes and Renault are already predicted to have the best engine packages. Ferrari will look like a joke again. If not for Fernando, Ferrari would have easily finished as the third or fourth best team in each of the last four years. I seriously hope the big announcement is Fernando leaving the team and going to RB, or Lotus, or just "anybody else's car"!
Pathetic. Gonna be a long second half of the season :-(

[kfzmeister]

What did he say exactly?

Someone asked him what he really wanted for his birthday. His reply was: "Someone else's car!"

[dj_bytedisaster]

I don't blame him. Ferrari has given him sh!t in the last four years. I would be frustrated as hell. He gives 120% every time. He's made that truck look like a racecar for the last four years! Next year won't be any different. Mercedes and Renault are already predicted to have the best engine packages. Ferrari will look like a joke again. If not for Fernando, Ferrari would have easily finished as the third or fourth best team in each of the last four years. I seriously hope the big announcement is Fernando leaving the team and going to RB, or Lotus, or just "anybody else's car"!
Pathetic. Gonna be a long second half of the season :-(

Well, arguably the 2010 Fezza wasn't as bad as you make it sound. After all he went into the last race in premium position, but they covered Webber and got stuck behind a Russian pay driver in a clapped-out Clio. It was his to lose and he lost it, so before bashing the team, he also has to answer some question. Despite only having the 3rd best car last year, he went into the last race still with a chance to beat the second best car - the best for most of the season, McLaren, had gracefully taken themselves out of contention by cheating Lewis out of a ****load of points by various pit blunders.
But, if you look at the Austin GP. If it wasn't for the grid-skullduggery and Massa giving up his place, he would've handed Vettel the title right there and then. It was a lacklustre race at best.

Schumacher spent 4 seasons in a car that couldn't challenge for the title, but he never went around slagging off the team in public. That's why Alonso has 2 WDC and Schumacher has 7. Schumacher helped to make the team great. Alonso just wastes his time by not showing up for YTD's if given the chance, moaning about the team and generally making himself look like a complete berk by ridiculous Samurai tweets and useless psycho-games with RB/Vettel. Trust me on that, with these antics he won't go nowhere in the RB as well, while Vettel has the advantage of a close friendship with Schumacher, so he can get the team-building 101 from one of the best.

[Garry Walker]

Schumacher spent 4 seasons in a car that couldn't challenge for the title, but he never went around slagging off the team in public. That's why Alonso has 2 WDC and Schumacher has 7. Schumacher helped to make the team great. Alonso just wastes his time by not showing up for YTD's if given the chance, moaning about the team and generally making himself look like a complete berk by ridiculous Samurai tweets and useless psycho-games with RB/Vettel. Trust me on that, with these antics he won't go nowhere in the RB as well, while Vettel has the advantage of a close friendship with Schumacher, so he can get the team-building 101 from one of the best.

While I am a Schumacher fan, then there is no point in talking about his team building. Drivers do not build teams, nor do they build or design cars. Their job is to drive. If they get the most out of the car, then their job is done. No matter how much "team-building" they do, if the engineers and managers are fools, then nothing will change. So I would not put any blame on Alonso. He has given his most, yet the team keeps producing monkey cars. What must also bother Alonso is that there is no progress. They started off quite well in 2010 and it seemingly gets worse and worse all the time. He must have realized things will not get better for him soon, only worse.
Ferrari's problem now is that Luca foolishly got rid of Jean Todt a couple of years ago, who was the perfect guy for the job and the best boss in F1, who should have been valued like a diamond. Stupid Luca though couldn't stand how valued Todt was and did his best to get rid of him. Well, good job Luca, keep throwing those TVs out the window. I am sure Todt would be retired by now anyway, but keeping a guy like that for even 2-3 more years would have been a win. Stefano is weakling and a joke as a Ferrari team boss. More of a yes man, than a Ferrari leader.

What is YTD?

What is really funny in all this is how stupid Luca really is. He had the perfect team player in Kimi (as much as top level F1 drivers can be team players), but he made sure Ferrari did their best to get rid of him and not use him properly. Developments went away from him, everything. So Luca got his wish and got the perfect Ferrari driver - emotional, not silent and cold like Kimi. Of course Loony Luca never paid attention to the baggage of Alonso, who has shown he will not hold back with what he says and will always put his interests in front of the team. Now he pays the price for that. There is a reason why the calculating and straight-thinking Todt preferred Kimi over Alonso and why the emotional Luca prefers Alonso over Kimi.
With Kimi, there would never have been a need for such a statement from Luca, problems always stayed within the team, even in 2009 when the car sucked. Same with Schumacher really.

[dj_bytedisaster]

What is YTD?


A typo. It should be YDT (Young Drivers Test). Alonso categorically declined to work for Pirelli. That's an utterly stupid attitude. Especially with the revised tyres, he should have had the biggest interest in getting running time on it. Why did all of his competitors run? I simply couldn't imagine that Schumacher would ever have pulled a diva-stunt like that. As you said. Alonso thinks he's bigger than the team. In that regard he could be vettel's bestest buddy. They both share that particular predicament.

[Garry Walker]

A typo. It should be YDT (Young Drivers Test). Alonso categorically declined to work for Pirelli. That's an utterly stupid attitude. Especially with the revised tyres, he should have had the biggest interest in getting running time on it. Why did all of his competitors run? I simply couldn't imagine that Schumacher would ever have pulled a diva-stunt like that. As you said. Alonso thinks he's bigger than the team. In that regard he could be vettel's bestest buddy. They both share that particular predicament.

Yeah, I thought YTD should mean Year To Date and wondered why would you use that there :laugh:
Why did Alonso refuse that? That makes no sense at all. I did not pay attention to F1 news for a while, so I have not heard of that. But if he really refused to test then that is really diva behaviour and stupid. Makes his complaints about the car look quite absurd. Stefano should have set him straight, Todt would have.

F1 drivers tend to have huge egos and let's face it, in sports to be on the top you need that. But then there are egomaniacs who would put me to shame :laugh: , Alonso is one of those.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Why did Alonso refuse that? That makes no sense at all. I did not pay attention to F1 news for a while, so I have not heard of that. But if he really refused to test then that is really diva behaviour and stupid. Makes his complaints about the car look quite absurd. Stefano should have set him straight, Todt would have.

AFAIK, he was scheduled to run, but has publicly stated: "I don't work for Pirelli." I think that will most likely have contributed to the rather strained atmosphere at Maranello. The "secret" Pirelli tests were done by Massa and de la Rosa, the YDT without Alonso, too. Could you imagine Schumacher refuse so many chances to test, even at a time when it was still unlimited? Quite frankly, Alonso is a brilliant driver, but his work ethics start to look a bit questionable and if he continues that, he won't go anywhere at RB either, because those guys ain't gonna be impressed by Samurai tweets.

[Garry Walker]

AFAIK, he was scheduled to run, but has publicly stated: "I don't work for Pirelli."

You are joking right? Tell me you are, because otherwise my respect for Alonso would go so much down. That is the behaviour of a 6 year old child, not to mention totally counter productive. Your team is struggling, you get to test new tyres and you refuse? Wow. Indeed, this is where Schumacher would have been at the track 2 days before the test to prepare and look at what was going on.
Reminds me of a story DC said about how Senna tweaked his neck at a test and that was it for him, couldn't drive anymore. DC went there the next day to test and saw Senna who was there. DC thought Senna must have healed, but in reality, he was just there to check whether DC was competent enough. Puts Alonso's work ethic to shame.


I think that will most likely have contributed to the rather strained atmosphere at Maranello. The "secret" Pirelli tests were done by Massa and de la Rosa, the YDT without Alonso, too. Could you imagine Schumacher refuse so many chances to test, even at a time when it was still unlimited? Quite frankly, Alonso is a brilliant driver, but his work ethics start to look a bit questionable and if he continues that, he won't go anywhere at RB either, because those guys ain't gonna be impressed by Samurai tweets.
Yes, that is really weird from Alonso. That must have not gone down well with Ferrari managers either, because this makes the complaints look really hypocritical.

[dj_bytedisaster]

You are joking right? Tell me you are, because otherwise my respect for Alonso would go so much down. That is the behaviour of a 6 year old child, not to mention totally counter productive.

I'm afraid I can't say I'm joking, because I am not. That particular quote was all over the news. In a time where testing is limited to a bare minimum, a whole day of running, that he was entitled to, would have been worth A LOT. Passing up such a chance is just window-licking mad.

[Garry Walker]

I'm afraid I can't say I'm joking, because I am not. That particular quote was all over the news. In a time where testing is limited to a bare minimum, a whole day of running, that he was entitled to, would have been worth A LOT. Passing up such a chance is just window-licking mad.

Ok. That sounded just so hard to believe, I guess I have been spoiled by Schumacher. My opinion of Alonso didn't exactly sky-rocket reading that.

[Big Ben]

It sounded hard to believe 'cause it's made up :laugh:

[Big Ben]

The idea that Alonso puts his own interests above the team's has a certain understated stupidity. Is he interested in finishing 1st while the team want's him to finish 3rd? :laugh:

[kfzmeister]

Well, arguably ......

;)

[dj_bytedisaster]

It sounded hard to believe 'cause it's made up :laugh:

No it is not. You obviously don't follow the news

[kfzmeister]

Words can so be twisted to favor one's motive. DJ, do you work for the American media?

Remember how Alonso nearly got whacked by Perez's left rear tire in Silverstone? That could have ended in disaster. Shortly after that they asked to test on the same track and the same tires? Understandably, he was a little nervous.

"It's not a very safe thing racing on the same track with the same tyres. I don't have the feeling I want to go. But if the team wants me to go..."

Funny how you can only remember that he said that he would not go and how he didn't work for Pirelli. Same about the way you twisted everything after my original comment.

[Tazio]

I'm not sure I understand why ya''awl boys are slagging Alonso for not participating, here is a list of the drivers that did:


"1.Driving for Red Bull Racing will be Alex Felix de Costa, Daniel Ricciardo (from Scuderia Toro Rosso), Carlos Sainz, Jr. and reigning champion Sebastian Vettel (Mark Webber will not be participating)
2.For McLaren, Kevin Magnussen, Oliver Turvey and Gary Paffett will take turns at the wheel.
3.It appears that Fernando Alonso will not be partaking in the fun for Ferrari. Testing duties will be handed to Italian racing driver Davide Rigon with Massa participating as well to some degree.
4.Lotus will be fielding Nicolas Prost, Davide Valsecchi (Kimi Räikkönen will not be participating)
5.In the driver’s seat for Williams will be Daniel Juncadella, Pastor Maldonado and the lovely Susie Wolff. So happy to Susie included in this test.
6.Scuderia Toro Rosso will have Johnny Cecotto, Carlos Sainz Jr, Daniel Ricciardo, Jeaqn Eric Vergne and Russan youngster Daniil Kvyat.
7.Force India has announced that James Calado will be joining Paul di Resta & Adrian Sutil at Silverstone.
8.Sauber’s Nico Hulkenberg will be joined by Robin Frijns and Kimiya Sato
9.All youngster line up for Marussia as they will have Tio Ellinas and Rodolfo Gonzalez present for the test.
10.Caterham has called upon Alexander Rossi, Will Stevens and both current racers Giedo Van Der Garde and Charles Pic.

NOTE:

Mercedes AMG Petronas has been banned from the young driver’s test as a result of the ruling in the International Tribunal
I don't see anyone slagging Kimi, Rogro, Button, Perez, Bottas or Gutierrez. :confused: Or Mark for that matter, although being a lame duck sort of explains his absence. :champion:

[dj_bytedisaster]

Remember how Alonso nearly got whacked by Perez's left rear tire in Silverstone? That could have ended in disaster. Shortly after that they asked to test on the same track and the same tires? Understandably, he was a little nervous.


That's wrong. They weren't testing the same tyres. In the Silverstone race they uses 2013 steel-belted tyres with 2013 compounds. In the YDT they used 2012 kevlar-belted tyres with 2013 compounds and that was known at least 2 weeks before the test. They reverted back to the kevlar belts BECAUSE of the Silverstone failures.

[kfzmeister]

That's wrong. They weren't testing the same tyres.

Makes no difference. Nobody knew how any Pirelli tire would behave. Initially he had no interest, then recanted. I already posted his comment about going if the team wanted him. The team must not have needed him to go that badly.

[Parabolica]

Alonso did not say he didn't work for Pirelli.

That is false and inaccurate.

He was working in the Ferrari simulator at the same time. That the Tyre test took place. Hardly the act of a lazy man.

Alonso's work ethic is good, and has been remarked on by Ferrari before.

It is strange to see a Pro- Vettel poster talking negatively about a driver putting his interest before the team. Malaysia this year wasn't Fernando.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Alonso did not say he didn't work for Pirelli.

That is false and inaccurate.

Why was it reported simultaneously by most of the media outlets then? You'll have to do better than coming along with a week old account with three posts.

[Parabolica]

Please, as a wise old forumer, tell me how I provide proof of something that wasn't said?

A quote by Fernando was supplied by a poster saying he didn't want to attend, but I found no mention on Google search of any "I don't work for Pirelli" quote relating to the YDT.

[Parabolica]

I have double-checked Google. No such quote by Alonso appears to exist.

Are you sure that it was widely reported?

[Parabolica]

I cannot post the link, but it is here

blogs.bettor.com

Look for this article = Carlos-Sainz Jr says he will miss Fernando Alonso at Young Driver Test

“I’m not testing, because I’m not allowed to test (car developments)!” he is quoted by Italy’s La Repubblica. ”Instead, I have important work to do on the simulator.”

Is the quote I find.

[kfzmeister]

It is strange to see a Pro- Vettel poster talking negatively about a driver putting his interest before the team. Malaysia this year wasn't Fernando.

This. :D

[dj_bytedisaster]

Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alonso+%22I+don%27t+work+for+Pirelli%22) it's not that hard, is it.

[Parabolica]

Is one non-accredited quote from one blogger proof of anything?

I had hoped for a clearer, more precise,even an official media quote. Not a hearsay one. A primary source would be nice.

You know what a concise and primary source quote is, yes?

Here is one

"Multi 21 Seb, Multi 21"

Or, if you prefer,

"This is silly Seb"

Google that.

[dj_bytedisaster]

You are pathetic.

Now google "I do not work for Pirelli"
"I'm not working for Pirelli"
"ich arbeite nicht für Pirelli"
"Я не для Пирелли работаю"

That should yield enough sources even for your apologist brain, Fernando. It was reported all over the news. And btw. James Allen is not just anybody ;)


Is one non-accredited quote from one blogger proof of anything?

I had hoped for a clearer, more precise,even an official media quote. Not a hearsay one. A primary source would be nice.

You know what a concise and primary source quote is, yes?

Here is one

"Multi 21 Seb, Multi 21"

Or, if you prefer,

"This is silly Seb"

Google that.

[Parabolica]

A personal insult. Thank you.

Evidently, you cannot debate. I think it is best to ignore your type.

[Tazio]

A personal insult. Thank you.

Evidently, you cannot debate. I think it is best to ignore your type.

Tamb' for sure. :up: :s nore: :cool:

[kfzmeister]

A personal insult. Thank you.

Evidently, you cannot debate. I think it is best to ignore your type.

Wow. You've managed to silence him. Lmao. :D
Fast and efficient as well.

[Tazio]

As Ioan would ejacuate:
"Cry me a river"
freakin' Pizza delivery boyz
:s ailor:

[Big Ben]

Let me google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alonso+%22I+don%27t+work+for+Pirelli%22) it's not that hard, is it.

Thank you very much.
All over the media indeed :laugh: .
go away

[Parabolica]

My fear is that the second half of this season is another 1991.

So much potential and promise ruined by poor management, and the prize asset scapegoated.

[Tazio]

Ferrari, de test en Magny Cours (http://www.mundodeportivo.com/20130730/motor/f1/ferrari-magny-cours-f1-formula-1-test-pedro-de-la-rosa_54378205845.html)



Ferrari is making three-day 'test' in Magny Cours to try to regain lost competitiveness, according to Gazzetta dello Sport.

Pedro de la Rosa will run the wheel of a Ferrari F150, used by the Italian team two seasons ago and tires that are not currently used in order to not incur a sports irregularity.

The regulation prohibits conduct tests during the season only if cars are used the current season or earlier.

Nor is it possible to use new parts. In fact, there is a special version of F1 tires, called 'demo, intended for' filming day ', the days when the teams come out onto the track to shoot commercials, or the' road show '.

This test or 'collaudo' was already planned after poor results at Silverstone and Nurburgring Ferrari and the FIA &#8203]

http://imageshack.us/a/img442/272/7caa.jpg


http://imageshack.us/a/img90/5756/xre9.jpg

[kfzmeister]

I can't hear about the wind tunnel calibration anymore. They're used that excuse for three years now! :angryfire

[555-04Q2]

Despite Ferrari falling off the pace against Mercedes, Red Bull and Lotus, Fernando will still fight tooth and nail and be up there come the end of the season. He may not be my favourite driver by some margin, but he certainly is the class of the current field of drivers. He's pure class :)

[Garry Walker]

Despite Ferrari falling off the pace against Mercedes, Red Bull and Lotus, Fernando will still fight tooth and nail and be up there come the end of the season. He may not be my favourite driver by some margin, but he certainly is the class of the current field of drivers. He's pure class :)

Based on this years performances, I can't see why one would consider him any better than Hamilton or Kimi, but those three are indeed the class of the field very clearly.

[555-04Q2]

Based on this years performances, I can't see why one would consider him any better than Hamilton or Kimi, but those three are indeed the class of the field very clearly.

Well he's driving the 4th best car yet he is just third in the DC ( remember he was second before the last race ). Tells a story doesn't it?

[truefan72]

Well he's driving the 4th best car yet he is just third in the DC ( remember he was second before the last race ). Tells a story doesn't it?

4th best is relative

earlier in the season they were tops at some point and Mercedes were 4th best, then at the very first race Lotus where tops and Ferrari were the 2nd best car
then for a while the RBR was the best car, then Mercedes had its day at the top step
In Hungary Ferrari were the 4th best. That could easily turn around in Spa. Vettel, Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton are the class of the field with the latter 2 probably capable of pushing any car well beyond its capabilities.

The 2 races that Alonso won, especially in span, that Ferrari looked dominant. In china earlier it ran rampant on the competition only kimi managing to stay withing 10 seconds of the car. In Malaysia he qualified in a strong p2 and might have been in contention for the race win. So lets not make it sound like he has been driving a lemon all year long. All 4 top teams seem to have their day in the sun and then days in the shadows. I expect them to be stronger in Spa, so they might jump to 2nd best then right ;)

[555-04Q2]

4th best is relative

earlier in the season they were tops at some point and Mercedes were 4th best, then at the very first race Lotus where tops and Ferrari were the 2nd best car
then for a while the RBR was the best car, then Mercedes had its day at the top step
In Hungary Ferrari were the 4th best. That could easily turn around in Spa. Vettel, Kimi, Alonso and Hamilton are the class of the field with the latter 2 probably capable of pushing any car well beyond its capabilities.

The 2 races that Alonso won, especially in span, that Ferrari looked dominant. In china earlier it ran rampant on the competition only kimi managing to stay withing 10 seconds of the car. In Malaysia he qualified in a strong p2 and might have been in contention for the race win. So lets not make it sound like he has been driving a lemon all year long. All 4 top teams seem to have their day in the sun and then days in the shadows. I expect them to be stronger in Spa, so they might jump to 2nd best then right ;)

Well Red Bull and Mercedes have won all the pole positions this year so we have to assume that their cars are the 2 fastest, right? ;)

And the Lotus has been pretty good, so maybe Fernando has the equal 3rd best car then? :)

[Parabolica]

Unfortunately, having the best car for 2 races out of 12 isn't going to win championships.

Even more so when the last time it was the best was in the middle of May.

Sadly, even if the car was the best, the lightweight underperforming Massa would leak too many points.

[555-04Q2]

Sad but true :(

[Parabolica]

I am perplexed as to the charity shown by the management towards Felipe.

His lack of performance, the failure to take significant positions away from rivals, has effectively lost the Scuderia two titles in three seasons.

It is concerning that the President expends energy criticising the overdue outburst of the teams only chance of success, yet has failed to act decisively over the ongoing failure of Massa to add value.

I can understand an unwillingness to replace a driver mid-season due to the testing restrictions and the experiences with Badoer and Fisichella. I can understand that many drivers would not want to be second driver in a team. I am afraid that I cannot understand a loyalty due to an accident, which I have sometimes heard is the reason for the patience extended to Massa.

That is just sentimentality. If there is any basis to it, it is a worry as to the weakness of the management.

Perhaps Luca should look in the mirror the next time he wishes to find someone to lambast?

[Parabolica]

Luca has been reading this thread?

[pino]

Yes he has, Luca is an old member of this forum ;)

[Parabolica]

Hopefully he will return and add wisdom, as this forum arena seems to be a pleasant place, with no gangs or provacateurs.

[zako85]

I am perplexed as to the charity shown by the management towards Felipe.


Specially in the light of some other teams changing their drivers like their mechanics change gloves.



His lack of performance, the failure to take significant positions away from rivals, has effectively lost the Scuderia two titles in three seasons.


Ferrari was nowhere near taking even one constructor title in the last three years. The points spread from RedBull was just too big. In fact, in 2010 and 11, Ferrari finished third behind McLaren. To catch RedBull, Ferrari's second driver had to do well enough not only to best RedBull's number two driver, but also to score the difference in points between Alonso and Vettel. This Ferrari driver basically would have to destroy Webber while driving a slower car. That's quite a feat. Maybe someone on the level of Raikkonen could have done it, (oh wait, they could have had him..), but I doubt someone fresh and young from the current pull of available drivers could manage.

Either way, I was surprised they signed Massa for another year in 2012.

[Parabolica]

I had more in mind the Drivers title.

I cannot think of many occasions when a constructors title has been won by less than the equal to best car.

There have been a few times a Drivers title has been won with an inferior car.

[zako85]

I had more in mind the Drivers title.


Oh I see. However, I still think it's a far fetching statement to say that someone else could have taken enough points from _the rival_ (Vettel) to make Alonso take WDC titles in say 2010 or 2012. Massa is the _last_ person/thing to be blamed for that. Massa was thrown under the bus to help Alonso several times. Besides the team orders, we don't know how many times Massa's car was a guinea pig for experimental parts or tire strategies. If Ferrari's second driver was good enough to be able to deny enough points to Vettel to help Alonso, this driver would also inevitably end up taking some points from Alonso as well, which brings us back to where we started. Realistically, I think Alonso in the end really badly needed a slightly better car, the one that could do better in qualifying, specially in 2012.

[Parabolica]

I agree that the F2012 was just not good enough.

I also agree that, certainly toward the end of the season, Massa was sacrificed for the bigger prize.

But, when the F2012 was capable of taking some points off Vettel (Spain, Britain, Germany and possibly Spa), then only once, in Britain, did Massa even look like capable of doing so.

Were those races ones where Massa was sacrificed for tactics and to do work for Alonso?

I fear that Massa is now too far away, in consistency, to be a positive attribute.

I am happy to accept the rationale that you propose that he did do work for Alonso. I don't think it was as much throughout the season to be accountable for all the races he was absent, but they are good and valid ideas.

[Garry Walker]

Well he's driving the 4th best car yet he is just third in the DC ( remember he was second before the last race ). Tells a story doesn't it?
Ferrari has been the better race car than Mercedes in many races. Also, it has been a better car than the Lotus. Not counting Red Bull, which has obviously been the very dominant car once again, Ferrari is overall probably the best car. But I expect this to change by the end of the year, Mercedes for one will end up being the overall better car.


Yes he has, Luca is an old member of this forum ;)
I didn't think he had the intelligence to be able to register at a forum.

I am perplexed as to the charity shown by the management towards Felipe.

His lack of performance, the failure to take significant positions away from rivals, has effectively lost the Scuderia two titles in three seasons.

It is concerning that the President expends energy criticising the overdue outburst of the teams only chance of success, yet has failed to act decisively over the ongoing failure of Massa to add value.

I can understand an unwillingness to replace a driver mid-season due to the testing restrictions and the experiences with Badoer and Fisichella. I can understand that many drivers would not want to be second driver in a team. I am afraid that I cannot understand a loyalty due to an accident, which I have sometimes heard is the reason for the patience extended to Massa.

That is just sentimentality. If there is any basis to it, it is a worry as to the weakness of the management. Felipe is still a very fast driver and can compete with Alonso pacewise when he is doing well, but he cannot match Alonso's consistency. To add to the problem, Felipe is emotionally a very fragile driver and the current atmosphere at Ferrari, where he was obviously made nr.2 driver since the first race of 2010, is something that is too hard for him to handle. So his performances suffer. I can see Ferrari still keeping him for a year, because Bianci is not ready, Hulk is dissapointing this year and I really hope Kimi will not go there. There are no other serious candidates for the seat.



Perhaps Luca should look in the mirror the next time he wishes to find someone to lambast?
He is far too emotional and stupid for that.

[Mia 01]

Four years of number one threatment, a car that clearly was at the sharp end 2010 and 2012.

Fernando, I hope that you get something like the Brawn 2009 car next year like Button, because you need it.

[zako85]

Massa should like Webber move on to something else while he is still young and capable. His morale is probably shattered after all the events since his 2008 title battle loss. Changing the environment may be good in this situation. But then again, maybe he just wants to hang at Ferrari as long as he can.

[Parabolica]

It is interesting that it is claimed that Ferrari operated Fernando as outright Number 1 in 2010, when the races at Melbourne and Monte Carlo showed that, at the time, they did not. Arguably, that lost the title.

Ferrari, in truth, have not had a car at the sharp end, all season long, since 2008.

Perhaps that was an early indication of the lack of strength with Domenicali. Even Luca has said that he needs to be more ruthless, more willing to upset the team. Just as in 2008 when development was allowed to go in Massa's favour, away from Kimi.

I could never understand why that happened, nor why Kimi did not enforce his position.

[Tazio]

Four years of number one threatment, a car that clearly was at the sharp end 2010 and 2012.

Fernando, I hope that you get something like the Brawn 2009 car next year like Button, because you need it.Anyone who was voted best driver in like 3 out of 4 of the last years,or something, by the drivers themselves, could make you eat those words :dozey:

I saw this :confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CduA0TULnow

[Tazio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ETrr-XHBjE

[kfzmeister]

Fernando, I hope that you get something like the Brawn 2009 car next year like Button, because you need it.

Fernando would have had the title in Seb's car in 2009 already! :D

[Parabolica]

Hey Luca, go throw yourself under a train.

You and Domenicali are clueless tools.

[Parabolica]

Alas, even with a fantastic Sunday by Fernando, I feel the title is over.

There are encouraging signs for Monza, if the top speed advantage without DRS can be maintained on a Monza set-up.

But, straight after the Autodromo, Domenicali must show strength and make the decision to go to 2014 for all development. To chase 2013 after Monza would be detrimental.

[555-04Q2]

RBR and Seb are doing what Ferrari and The Shoe did between 2000 - 2004. RBR are peerless at the moment and the rest are just spectators.

[webberf1]

RBR and Seb are doing what Ferrari and The Shoe did between 2000 - 2004. RBR are peerless at the moment and the rest are just spectators.
Lol. I don't think so. It'll never be the same.

http://www.supercars.net/gallery/94535/365/13151.jpg

[Roamy]

Plain and Simple - It's FLAVIO time for Ferrari !!!!

[555-04Q2]

Plain and Simple - It's FLAVIO time for Ferrari !!!!

Holy sh!t the old dog is still around :D

[Tazio]

Ferrari should be strong at Monza although Red Bull is still the favorite IMO. Apparently there is finally some good development work going on. I don't think they (Fred) have a very good chance of overhauling RB. Felipe is playing to the home crowd I'm sure, however his comments are music to my ears:
Felipe Massa sure Ferrari now back on track after Belgian GP result - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109540)


Ferrari has been the better race car than Mercedes in many races. Also, it has been a better car than the Lotus. Not counting Red Bull, which has obviously been the very dominant car once again, Ferrari is overall probably the best car. But I expect this to change by the end of the year, Mercedes for one will end up being the overall better car.
Maybe, I think it depends on who pushes developement work longest.



The recent news today wont end well. Did Ldm ever slanted Kimi public on their own site as they did to Fernando on his own birthday?
One can always hope and dream. :dozey:


Unless the Scuderia hit the upgrade jackpot, then they will outsiders for a podium.

And by using the word "jackpot" I am deliberately implying that there are elements of luck and coincidence required.

It is clear that intentional and planned improvement is beyond us.
Not so fast there mister. ;)




Tactically, Ferrari need to keep their options open, to treat the race like a Living Thing, such a terrible thing to lose.
Well played :up:


Fernando, I hope that you get something like the Brawn 2009 car next year like Button, because you need it.
:laugh:

[jens]

RBR and Seb are doing what Ferrari and The Shoe did between 2000 - 2004. RBR are peerless at the moment and the rest are just spectators.

Wonder, when will Ferrari get to the top again. Yeah, they have been close several times, but not quite there across the whole season.

It would be a huge blow for competitors if the next Ferrari era began after Vettel has joined the team.

It is now five years since it can be last claimed Ferrari really had the fastest car over a season (2008).

[555-04Q2]

Wonder, when will Ferrari get to the top again. Yeah, they have been close several times, but not quite there across the whole season.

It would be a huge blow for competitors if the next Ferrari era began after Vettel has joined the team.

It is now five years since it can be last claimed Ferrari really had the fastest car over a season (2008).

With the current crop of management and technical staff, don't think it will happen :(

[Parabolica]

So long as it is before 2028, I can manage!

I don't think I could bear another 21 year drought. One of those in a lifetime is enough.

However, having said that, I do still hope the knife is wielded on the management sooner rather than later.

[Parabolica]

Did Ldm ever slanted Kimi public on their own site as they did to Fernando on his own birthday?

Yes.

In 2008.

"The journalists had lots of questions for Kimi and some referred to President Montezemolo's remark about Kimi's "twin-brother", who raced during the second half of the last season"

Just to confirm it -

Raikkonen: I want to win - Pitpass.com (http://www.pitpass.com/36836/Raikkonen-I-want-to-win)

"Following Stefano Domenicali's revelation that Ferrari (http://www.pitpass.com/teams/2/ferrari) President Luca di Montezemolo believed that Kimi Raikkonen (http://www.pitpass.com/drivers/17/kimi-raikkonen)'s twin brother was driving for his team on occasions last year - a reference to the Finn's apparent total lack of motivation in certain races - the 2007 World Champion has declared himself to be as motivated as ever and raring to win this season.

Ferrari, the right choice - Raikkonen - F1technical.net (http://www.f1technical.net/news/11408)

[Tazio]

Yea', well it doesn't say anything about it happening on his birthday......dude! :s tareup: http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif

[Parabolica]

Yea', well it doesn't say anything about it happening on his birthday......dude! :s tareup: http://i46.tinypic.com/hv9ul3.gif

How remiss of me!

I will now go and throw myself off the nearest available cliff.

[555-04Q2]

How remiss of me!

I will now go and throw myself off the nearest available cliff.

For the best result, ensure there are jagged rocks at the bottom :p :

[Parabolica]

Now you tell me!

Fortunately, an Ospreys nest broke my fall.

[555-04Q2]

Watch out for mama bird!!!!!

[Bagwan]

Now you tell me!

Fortunately, an Ospreys nest broke my fall.

That was no osprey .
That was a red tailed hawk .

[Tazio]

:s tareup: What about Hawkmoon?

[Tazio]

Unless the Scuderia hit the upgrade jackpot, then they will outsiders for a podium.

And by using the word "jackpot" I am deliberately implying that there are elements of luck and coincidence required.

It is clear that intentional and planned improvement is beyond us.


A design team incapable of fresh thoughts and developing a new concept will never do anything than produce average cars.

Welcome back Tamb' ;)

[Parabolica]

Great minds think alike?

[zako85]

Ferrari sets September deadline for 2014 switch (http://www.crash.net/f1/news/195073/1/ferrari_sets_september_deadline_for_2014_switch.ht ml)

[Parabolica]

Translated - If Fernando wins at Monza and Vettel runs 17th then retires, complaining that the car is undriveable, the team favours Webber, he hates the taste of Red Bull and Helmut tried to touch him with his helmet, then it's still game-on.

If one of the above doesn't happen, the Scuderia concentrate development on 2014.

[zako85]

Don't they regret Alonso's wing incident in Malaysia now? It was such a loss. When I saw it, I thought the point loss could come to haunt Alonso later in the season.

[Tazio]

What about Hawkmoon?


McLaren will still be at the front and Force India will still be at the back. Anybody hoping for Williams or Red Bull or even Toyota coming up with a championship winner whilst McLaren come up with a complete dud is deluding themselves. whoops ;)



Alonso in a Ferrari. He will get his butt kicked by Massa big time....I really wish that he joins them......Werent the Kimi fans saying that he will destroy Massa in his second year
:laugh:



I LIKE having Fernando in an inferior car. Makes things very interesting. It's always satisfying to see someone's excellence come through. :mad: :) :confused:

[Parabolica]

Don't they regret Alonso's wing incident in Malaysia now? It was such a loss. When I saw it, I thought the point loss could come to haunt Alonso later in the season.

On such things can championships decided, it is true.

I have long since believed, however, that over time there are as many occasions when we are the beneficiaries of bad calls or misjudgements as when we are punished by our own.

Just think, if Red Bull had realised earlier that a 4-stopper was the way to win at Barcelona would we have been victorious?

I believe it was Socrates who once philosophised that "Excrement happens".

[Tazio]

Great minds think alike?
Plus people change and sometimes a lot.

[Parabolica]

Perhaps, although I have not witnessed anything from Mr Raikkonen that would make me think that is the case.

[Tazio]

Fry seems to imply Allison will help on the F138, as well as the 2014 challenger. I'd be surprised if he wasn't responsible for Spa updates, at least indirectly :bulb:


Former Lotus man Allison, who officially starts work next week, will have Fry’s former job title of technical director (chassis). This will be his second spell at the team after he worked under Ross Brawn from 2000 to 2005.

“I think getting James on board will be a great asset for us really, I mean he’s a top bloke, isn’t he?,” said Fry. “In reality there’s been a huge amount of work for me to do. It’s almost like changing the organization and the running of the company, as well as trying to look at the car.”

“For me it’s good because I’ll have more time to be able to concentrate on really what’s going to make the car quick. Between the two of us we’ll divide the work up. There will be more minds thinking about things, so it can only help.”

Meanwhile Fry made an interesting comment about balancing preparations for 2014 with developing the current car.

“We’re still pushing as hard as we can. We’ve got updates coming through from the tunnel, a few more for Monza and another set for Singapore. So we’ll keep on pushing until Singapore, and then see where we are and revise things then.” It would not surprise me too terribly much if Kimi jumped that sinking ship as well. One can always hope. In a perfect world Fred or Kimi would go to RB to try to kick Seb's ass, and the other goes/ stays at Ferrari.
Best wishes,
http://i.imgur.com/HbXSkry.jpg

P.S. Perhaps it is getting close to time for you to come back ioan ;)

[Tazio]

New front wing for Monza.

http://www.f1sport.it/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/comp_ala_monza_ferrari-400x236.jpg

It looks like Allisons hand may be in this one as the vertical deflector is similar to the Lotus.

http://i.imgur.com/7C2Tttw.jpg

Google Translate (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.f1sport.it/&prev=/search%3Fq%3DF1Sport.it%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D803)

[555-04Q2]

Lets hope it helps them hey :)

[Parabolica]

Is there a better sight in motorsport than Ferrari at Monza?

No!

[N4D13]

Is there a better sight in motorsport than Ferrari at Monza?

No!
What about Ferrari winning at Monza? ;)

[dj_bytedisaster]

What about Ferrari winning at Monza? ;)

Nah, a Ferrari IN MY DRIVEWAY. that's the ultimate sight :D Just too damn unrealistic :(

[Parabolica]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/gi/597x478/C9QR/manual/88_ita_06.jpg
What about Ferrari winning at Monza? ;)

There is not a better sight.....in life.

[kfzmeister]

I think Zo has a really good chance. It will mark the turning point of the season. :D

[Tazio]

That's crazy talk 'z' :s tareup:

[Tazio]

Scarbs on Ferrari's Monza aero package.
Ferrari Monza spec aero | ScarbsF1.com (http://scarbsf1.com/blog1/2013/09/05/ferrari-monza-spec-aero/)

[kfzmeister]

Nah, a Ferrari IN MY DRIVEWAY. that's the ultimate sight :D Just too damn unrealistic :(

I'm getting a chance to drive a 575M tomorrow. Any advices on how to handle that transmission? :(

[555-04Q2]

I'm getting a chance to drive a 575M tomorrow. Any advices on how to handle that transmission? :(

Lucky b@st@rd :p :

[anfield5]

I'm getting a chance to drive a 575M tomorrow. Any advices on how to handle that transmission? :(

How well do you know the owner? :)

[kfzmeister]

How well do you know the owner? :)
Lol, Harry's in his mid eighties! He's learning how to drive it himself.

[TheFamousEccles]

I'm getting a chance to drive a 575M tomorrow. Any advices on how to handle that transmission? :(

Drive it like you stole it! Although that would be rude in the extreme - however I imagine very, very tempting :facelick:

[kfzmeister]

What a great experience. Transmission is super easy to drive. Took really no effort at all. Acceleration is hard as hell and the rears really try to break loose. Only revved it to about 5K and had it over a 100 only a couple of times.
https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1233975_10200910123656994_504529760_n.jpg

[jens]

http://www.formula1.com/wi/gi/597x478/C9QR/manual/88_ita_06.jpg

There is not a better sight.....in life.

Hey, that picture creates some kind of a nostalgic feeling in myself too. :)

[steveaki13]

Its an emotive F1 picture for sure, I guess the years of struggle and heart ache that Ferrari endured made that race and win so special.

[Parabolica]

So a decision on drivers for 2014 is imminent after Monza because Luca didn't want distractions.

Yet Ferrari under Todt won in 2006 with continuous speculation.

Which shows how great the current management isn't.

As somebody said yesterday -

"Genius"

[Parabolica]

So a decision on drivers for 2014 is imminent after Monza because Luca didn't want distractions.

Yet Ferrari under Todt won in 2006 with continuous speculation.

Which shows how great the current management isn't.

As somebody said yesterday -

"Genius"

[donKey jote]

Kimi? :eek: :vader:

[Mia 01]

Hi there! Kimi is back in red again.

Heres hope that he will bring success ang glory.

[Parabolica]

Yes, let's hope he does.

If he does, then Ferrari are winners and I am happy.

If he doesn't, but Fernando does, then Ferrari are winners and I am happy.

If he doesn't, but he outperforms Alonso, then I know that he has given his best and I can expect no more than that.

If he doesn't, and he is outperformed by Alonso, then that is a different matter.

But, for now, that is for the future.

[Bagwan]

Yes, let's hope he does.

If he does, then Ferrari are winners and I am happy.

If he doesn't, but Fernando does, then Ferrari are winners and I am happy.

If he doesn't, but he outperforms Alonso, then I know that he has given his best and I can expect no more than that.

If he doesn't, and he is outperformed by Alonso, then that is a different matter.

But, for now, that is for the future.

That was pretty uncommitted . Sounds like me .
And , maybe like Kimi a few years ago .

It could be good , though .
I think both Kimi and Fernando have mellowed into a greater understanding of the biz .

It's gonna be an interesting end to the season for Kimi , with him having to always look for rabbit raisins before sliding into the tub .
Putting that tweet up must mean they feel pretty aggrieved at the affair , and makes me wonder if they won't try to slide someone else into the seat before the end of the season . That would likely be the only way to get anything back , by trying to apply a little rust to his early next year's drives , by prohibiting him driving until his contract is up .

[Parabolica]

I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this time.

Kimi was Ferrari's last Champion, so his speed is not the question.

What became the question may no longer be the question, so we must wait to see if the question remains.

I am happy that Ferrari have the potential to field two drivers who can perform at the very highest level.

I can only pray that they do.

[Bagwan]

I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt at this time.

Kimi was Ferrari's last Champion, so his speed is not the question.

What became the question may no longer be the question, so we must wait to see if the question remains.

I am happy that Ferrari have the potential to field two drivers who can perform at the very highest level.

I can only pray that they do.

Yes , I , too , hope the right Kimi shows up .

[Tazio]

Fred

http://www.flipados.com/wp-content/uplo ... witter.jpg (http://www.flipados.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/alonso-tatuaje-twitter.jpg)

Ice

http://files.homepagemodules.de/b564836 ... 3686n4.png (http://files.homepagemodules.de/b564836/f17t68p3686n4.png)

Taz

http://i.imgur.com/aBmAP6U.jpg

:stareup: :sailor:

[Tazio]

Looks like Ferrari have hit the trifecta at Lotus. Allison, Kimi, and now de Beer. Show me the money baby! :D :angel:

@joesaward "Ferrari has also swooped on to grab Lotus’s head of aerodynamics Dirk de Beer."

[Mia 01]

I like the Lotus team so for me this is sad news.

[Tazio]

for me this is sad news.
I'm sorry to hear that, but you'll get over it. ;)


I like the Lotus team so....
So start a Lotus Fans thread, or would you prefer to just bring this one down? Actually I like lotus also, In fact I like all the teams, even Red Bull. I just like some teams more than others.
So what? :stareup: :burp:

[Parabolica]

I am glad to see Ferrari strengthening the engineering and aerodynamic departments.

It is these that will determine if Fernando and Kimi have the opportunity to create an intense inter-tram rivalry.

If these departments provide a Limone, then the battle for Eighth place will be riveting!

[555-04Q2]

Over the last 60 odd years many have fallen in F1 but Ferrari still remains :D

[Parabolica]

That which we do in life, echoes in Eternity!


FORZA!!!!

[Mia 01]

Next to follow Kimi could be Mark Slade.

[Parabolica]

It would make sense.

The rumour I have heard is that Rob Smedley may be going to Williams. As Massa's Right-Hand Man / Babysitter / Big-Brother, he possibly feels that he has fresh challenges to face elsewhere.

If so, I would like to thank him for his sterling efforts for the Scuderia.

[steveaki13]

Its good to see Ferrari making strides. After the Schumi years only 1 title year and so really need to break this Red Bull domination.

Kimi will certainly make an epic season next year as long as Ferrari have a decent car.

As for Lotus it is a bit sad, and it makes you wonder where they will end up.

[Parabolica]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109868

Sounds like De Beer was a swap deal, with Hennel going the other way.

It's interesting, as Hennel has only been there 12 months anyway, and with the now-notorious calibration issues with the aero department surely clouding any judgement as to the quality of the existing engineers, that Hennel should be moved on so soon.

I have to guess that Allison and De Beer have a symbiosis in their working relationship which is of great value, and one which Hennel wasn't a part of. With Allison being given the chassis remit, and Fry over-seeing the technical department, it may be that Hennel was Fry's choice and was not Allisons.

All this, of course, may be irrelevant anyway. I have to hope that Ferrari's re-worked wind-tunnel will deliver, otherwise it doesn't matter how many engineers are thrown at a car.

[Tazio]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109868

Sounds like De Beer was a swap deal, with Hennel going the other way.

It's interesting, as Hennel has only been there 12 months anyway, and with the now-notorious calibration issues with the aero department surely clouding any judgement as to the quality of the existing engineers, that Hennel should be moved on so soon.

I have to guess that Allison and De Beer have a symbiosis in their working relationship which is of great value, and one which Hennel wasn't a part of.
I think that is a resonable assumption. Allison and de Beer may have a symbiosis that is synergistic. It may just come down to working styles, and Allison is very productive when teamed with de Beer. Speculation of course. :idea:

[Parabolica]

Could you not just start a Blog? Then all this speculation could be given a veneer of legitimacy. Just call yourself a source within the team and away we go!

[Roamy]

The shine is off Ferrari - Time to kick some lame asses. Get the Flav in here and make it happen - Domicelli or what ever is limp. And just maybe old pigeon beak (Luca) needs to go as well.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Could you not just start a Blog? Then all this speculation could be given a veneer of legitimacy. Just call yourself a source within the team and away we go!

Yeah, quoting autosport is really credible. Every rundown blog has more credibility than autosport, who report news two days later than anyone else and charge people for it. Seriously cav, only because people ran you off there for your trolling comments is no reason to go on a crusade somewhere else. You make yourself look completely silly.

[jens]

So Alonso v Räikkönen next year. Alonso is a natural favourite at this stage for next year as he has settled in very well in the team, but Kimi should collect many more points than Felipe.

[Parabolica]

The shine is off Ferrari - Time to kick some lame asses. Get the Flav in here and make it happen - Domicelli or what ever is limp. And just maybe old pigeon beak (Luca) needs to go as well.

I tend to support this view.

If Ferrari fail next year, it is clear that heads will roll.

Being Ferrari, it will be the drivers who are most at risk (history tends to support this notion).

I fear, though, that only a serious blood-letting of top management will actually do anything.

[Mia 01]

The shine is off Ferrari - Time to kick some lame asses. Get the Flav in here and make it happen - Domicelli or what ever is limp. And just maybe old pigeon beak (Luca) needs to go as well.

I tend to support this view.

If Ferrari fail next year, it is clear that heads will roll.

Being Ferrari, it will be the drivers who are most at risk (history tends to support this notion).

I fear, though, that only a serious blood-letting of top management will actually do anything.

The blame is the car mostly (not 2010 and 2012), the other blame, top notch driver, best on the grid. Off to Maclaren he is.

[Tazio]

01The blame is the car mostly (not 2011 and 2013), the other blame, top notch driver, best on the grid. Off to Maclaren he is.
Dream on! :laugh:

It's good to have this compliment (from Whitmarsh), but there is no intention," he insisted.

[Parabolica]

Obviously.

The Ferrari has been the best car this year, and last year, and in 2011 and 2010.

At times, it has been over a second quicker.

Oh, heck, my Alarm Clock has just gone off.

I was enjoying that dream, too.

[Mia 01]

after all, It seems Massa finally has find his mojo.

[Mia 01]

The talk is that Stella, Alonsos race ingenier will work with Kimi next year. Who is that?

[donKey jote]

A pretty fast driver who doesn't give a shit about anything else... haven't you heard of him? :sailor:

[Parabolica]

Once again, Alonso pulls us out of the excrement.

I must give credit to the team for a good strategy call too.

Now, let us pray for a Wind tunnel.

[555-04Q2]

Alonso was, once again, absolutely bloody awesome. The guy never gives up! Imagine if he was in the other Red Bull car next to Vettel, we would finally have a competition!

[Tazio]

Don't want to take anything away from Seb, because he drove a ridiculously great race; however it is drives like this by Fred that should make us realize that Ferrari's WCC points would more closely resemble the total of two Felipe babies combined without him.
Come on new technical team members. Come on 2014. Come on Kimi we need you dude! :angel:

[Parabolica]

I'm still reeling from the gutsy, strong, fast drive put in by Massa.

Or perhaps not.

He wasn't kidding when he said he wasn't racing for Ferrari or Fernando anymore.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Don't want to take anything away from Seb, because he drove a ridiculously great race; however it is drives like this by Fred that should make us realize that Ferrari's WCC points would more closely resemble the total of two Felipe babies combined without him.
Come on new technical team members. Come on 2014. Come on Kimi we need you dude! :angel:

For all the great drives Fernando had, at Singapore he didn't really show too much that I would call amazing. His start was brilliant as ever and he made up 4 places and that's about it. The rest was done by the pitwall strategists and Alonso made the tyres last ridiculously long, but I simply can't bring myself to call an eco-run gutsy. I think in contrast to Kimi storming from 13th to 3rd, Fernando looked a trifle anonymous.

[henners88]

[quote="Mr Alca-Tazizzle":24944vcy]Don't want to take anything away from Seb, because he drove a ridiculously great race; however it is drives like this by Fred that should make us realize that Ferrari's WCC points would more closely resemble the total of two Felipe babies combined without him.
Come on new technical team members. Come on 2014. Come on Kimi we need you dude! :angel:

For all the great drives Fernando had, at Singapore he didn't really show too much that I would call amazing. His start was brilliant as ever and he made up 4 places and that's about it. The rest was done by the pitwall strategists and Alonso made the tyres last ridiculously long, but I simply can't bring myself to call an eco-run gutsy. I think in contrast to Kimi storming from 13th to 3rd, Fernando looked a trifle anonymous.[/quote:24944vcy]
The contrast we have to Fernando is a winner who accelerated away and had half a race on an Eco run. That is the way it goes these days. I agree Kimi drove the better race though. Especially when you consider his back problems.

[Parabolica]

Fernando maximised the race. It is difficult to ask more than that.

Not every excellent drive has to be a gutsy one, there is a skill-set in conserving which should not be overlooked just because it is not headline grabbing.

Perhaps it is another example of people only wanting instant gratification, and not appreciating things which require more understanding.

Sebastian's drive was excellent, as was Kimi's, but to claim that Fernando's performance was lesser is a trifle unfair. He did the maximum, as, at last, did the Ferrari pit-wall.

[Tazio]

Brilliant race by Fred, he took second doing the things he does best. The start was amazing, and pulling out second with his closest persuer15 seconds adrift may not have been exiting, none the less it was da' bomb, practically perfect :stareup: :wave:

[airshifter]

Fernando got a rocket start, and in the replay it's almost as if nobody saw him coming on the outside. He just flew by everyone and slotted in. It can't get much better than that, making positions without getting into the mess of the first corners much.

Beyond that, I don't see anything at all remarkable about the drive. The timing of stops and the safety car played to his hand and they drove the new strategy. Certainly he had to watch his pace and tires, but it's not as if he had to storm through the positions on track. Great result due to the start and a driver that can keep his head in changing strategy situations.

[Parabolica]

Certainly he had to watch his pace and tires, but it's not as if he had to storm through the positions on track. Great result due to the start and a driver that can keep his head in changing strategy situations.

That is my point, though. A great drive does not have to be a spectacular overtaking-fest. Conserving tyres and being able to execute a strategy is, for me, just as important a skill, and just as enjoyable to watch as a fast car overtaking less speedy rivals.

It is worth pointing out that the Lotus was, on balance, the second best car to have in Singapore. I accept that Kimi had a back-problem which would have been uncomfortable, but it clearly was manageable. A major back problem would see him unable to move. His team-mate was right up the sharp end all weekend, which is more than can be said for the second Ferrari.

[dj_bytedisaster]

Certainly he had to watch his pace and tires, but it's not as if he had to storm through the positions on track. Great result due to the start and a driver that can keep his head in changing strategy situations.

That is my point, though. A great drive does not have to be a spectacular overtaking-fest. Conserving tyres and being able to execute a strategy is, for me, just as important a skill, and just as enjoyable to watch as a fast car overtaking less speedy rivals.

It is worth pointing out that the Lotus was, on balance, the second best car to have in Singapore. I accept that Kimi had a back-problem which would have been uncomfortable, but it clearly was manageable. A major back problem would see him unable to move. His team-mate was right up the sharp end all weekend, which is more than can be said for the second Ferrari.

The second Ferrari was never meant to be in contention. He was called in early to be a test baloon as to how the medium tyres would perform. Massa mainly was the guinea pig to work out the strategy that ultimately allowed Ferrari to keep 'nando in second place.

[steveaki13]

I think Alonso's drive was one of real quality.

I mean he chose the same strategy as JB, Perez & others and didn't loose the pace on the tyres at the same rate and pulled out enough gap to still finish 2nd while others fell back. I mean even Kimi would have lost out to Webber if he hadn't had gear issues.

So Fernando really stepped above everyone behind.

[dj_bytedisaster]

I think Alonso's drive was one of real quality.

I mean he chose the same strategy as JB, Perez & others and didn't loose the pace on the tyres at the same rate and pulled out enough gap to still finish 2nd while others fell back. I mean even Kimi would have lost out to Webber if he hadn't had gear issues.

So Fernando really stepped above everyone behind.

The drive was certainly very intelligent. The Ferrari is known to be very easy on the tyres, something that Fernando exploited expertly. The problem is, that this is also their undoing in qualifying. A car that is easy on the tyres is automatically bad at heating them up quickly. That's why the RB and Mercs get the tyres up to optimum heat on the outlap, while Fernando is probably already half a sector into his flying lap, before the tyres are in the window.

[henners88]

There was nothing wrong with Fernando's drive. He maximised his start but had a rather boring race chasing after that. I think the only drivers who had fun towards the front were Hamilton, Rosberg, Kimi and Webber who all raced to get positions throughout the race. It the points that count though and Vettel will have the title by Abu Dhabi.

[Parabolica]

Spanish Media Alert!

So treat with extreme care.

Fernando is apparently in talks to extend his contract until 2020.

I'll post the link tomorrow.

[anfield5]

So that confirms his move to McLaren then :D

[jens]

I think Alonso's drive was one of real quality.

I mean he chose the same strategy as JB, Perez & others and didn't loose the pace on the tyres at the same rate and pulled out enough gap to still finish 2nd while others fell back. I mean even Kimi would have lost out to Webber if he hadn't had gear issues.

So Fernando really stepped above everyone behind.

Alonso's drive was really good, but can't be really compared to McLaren and Räikkönen in this way. McLaren certainly had greater tyre-wear rate in this race, which was costly to them. Like Mercedes had early in the season.

Räikkönen was stuck behind Button for long, which meant he was vulnerable to Webber in the end.

I think had Grosjean's car stayed intact, he would have likely finished right up there with Alonso, since he didn't have the same compromises in the race as others.

[Parabolica]

I don't think Alonso could have held second from Romain had the Lotus not failed.

Which, I feel, shows that the Lotus was a better car around Singapore. Something that has to be considered in regard to Kimi.

It is, of course, impossible to compare different cars and different drives, but that should not detract from Alonso's performance.

[Mia 01]

For me this thread is about next year.

[Tazio]

Ferrari F138 Singapore Update Analysis from Gary Anderson.

http://imageshack.us/a/img32/503/tmul.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img197/263/dzpv.jpg

[Parabolica]

http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12474 ... eyond-2016 (http://www1.skysports.com/f1/news/12474/8935463/fernando-alonso-seeks-contract-extension-with-ferrari-beyond-2016)

Wasn't quite within the 24 hours I had said it would be, but just to confirm the story is being reported.

[Tazio]

Great news for Ferrari!

[Parabolica]

Certainly would be, if it comes to fruition.

I think we can put reports of his demise at Ferrari to have been a trifle premature.

Or wishful thinking.

Had his bridges been burnt to the extent some would have liked to have believed, I don't believe he would be looking to extend his contract.

[Tazio]

Certainly would be, if it comes to fruition.

I think we can put reports of his demise at Ferrari to have been a trifle premature.
I filed that under rubbish right from the get go.


Or wishful thinking.

From certain factions that is without a doubt. :stareup:


Had his bridges been burnt to the extent some would have liked to have believed, I don't believe he would be looking to extend his contract.
The guy works too freakin' hard at his job to have a couple comments uttered in frustration affect his employers, and coworkers to that degree. That is obvious to me.

[Parabolica]

If I may hazard a guess, it is that the Latin temperament is well understood within the upper echelons of Ferrari's management structure, and that a Latin venting was not as big a deal to them as it was to the Northern European press.

I hope that the management have got a better hold on working with a Finn this time around too.

And vice versa, to keep the Latin theme going.

[Tazio]

If I may hazard a guess, it is that the Latin temperament is well understood within the upper echelons of Ferrari's management structure, and that a Latin venting was not as big a deal to them as it was to the Northern European press.

I hope that the management have got a better hold on working with a Finn this time around too.

And vice versa, to keep the Latin theme going.i
I think Kimi's fans would do well to realize that it is a good i0dea that "When you are in Rome, do as the Romans"
I'm sure Kimi will have a good grip on that concept as he expects to extract the best out of the team at i:idea:

[Tazio]

If I may hazard a guess, it is that the Latin temperament is well understood within the upper echelons of Ferrari's management structure, and that a Latin venting was not as big a deal to them as it was to the Northern European press.

I hope that the management have got a better hold on working with a Finn this time around too.

And vice versa, to keep the Latin theme going.
I think Kimi's fans would do well to understand that it is a good idea that "Whenin Rome, do as the Romans"
I'm sure Kimi will have a good grip on that concept if he expects to extract the best out of the team,
and vice versa :idea:
May the Forza be with him!

[steveaki13]

Can you say it a third time. Then I might get it. :o :p :devil:

[steveaki13]

Great News. That Fernando will stay and give us an epic 2014 battle.

I think Alonso will beat Kimi next year by about 40 - 50 points. Heard it here first. As for 2015 who knows?

[Tazio]

Can you say it a third time. Then I might get it. :o :p :devil:
Most ya''awl boys never even heard of him and the Americans that post here know the legend but didn't live through Lobmbadi's time, but he was one touch plain spoken Italian in a majorly popular sport, and he was tougher than Brabham and Nige, a true American Legend. Not generally revered east of Canda. Hated the Pack' btw. The second link is longer than 2 secondsshort video unlike the first on it is slightly over 2seconds! is another video that is over 2 seconds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocV5bGHdYag :confused: :wave:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmtVeqMt6dc

[henners88]

I don't think Ferrari will have any problems with Kimi at all. Last time around it was clear he wasn't happy, yet I can't remember him going public with any of his feelings, its not his style. He lets his manager do all the dirty work and perhaps that is the correct way? I've always been a fan of Kimi, although its harder to take pleasure in his success when he's in red, but he'll get my respect just like Fernando does. Its an exciting pairing and one I feel is now the strongest on the grid. It'll be fun to watch it develop. I think if things do go sour, we will see Fernando hitting out at the team rather than his team mate. I get the impression that with Kimi you know he'll just shrug it all off and let the press make of it what they will.

[Parabolica]

Can you say it a third time. Then I might get it. :o :p :devil:

It's repeated for my benefit.

My hearing isn't what it was.

[steveaki13]

Can you say it a third time. Then I might get it. :o :p :devil:

It's repeated for my benefit.

My hearing isn't what it was.

Pardon? :kiss: See what I did there. :p

[steveaki13]

I don't think Ferrari will have any problems with Kimi at all. Last time around it was clear he wasn't happy, yet I can't remember him going public with any of his feelings, its not his style. He lets his manager do all the dirty work and perhaps that is the correct way? I've always been a fan of Kimi, although its harder to take pleasure in his success when he's in red, but he'll get my respect just like Fernando does. Its an exciting pairing and one I feel is now the strongest on the grid. It'll be fun to watch it develop. I think if things do go sour, we will see Fernando hitting out at the team rather than his team mate. I get the impression that with Kimi you know he'll just shrug it all off and let the press make of it what they will.

I think you're right Henners.

I think they will have bigger problems with the rivalry between the two drivers. Even if they get on with each other, there is going to be a certain amount of problems as they take points off each other.

Just glad Alonso is going to stay and give us what we want to see.