Here he is... Plus a plea for PT.... [Archive]

jimispeed

24th February 2009, 07:06

For all of you who haven't seen Robert Doornbos race.

For those of you who don't know of him.......

Plus a request to give us back PT!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsR2lyzZu6k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by_gOZ-UCRM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcPuVczIV2k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVl9IJC32XM (what did he call Bourdais?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSmHN_JMiDY (sorry guys, I had to add these!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xcz3b5LEABI (Bring him back please!!!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_j_KqjFTKk (Remember last year??)

From 16th to 4th in a one off....

C'mon TG!!! Somebody give him a ride!!!!!!

jimispeed

24th February 2009, 07:32

Sorry guys, one more for PT.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzqh5G4e9Go
1993 Long Beach Grand Prix

jimispeed

26th February 2009, 07:32

For those of you who haven't followed him, he will be the one to watch. My personal favorite.

I'm still hoping for PT.........

I think Robert showed well!!

DanicaFan

26th February 2009, 09:03

I like Doornbos but Danica will be on the podium more than him this year.

Ranger

26th February 2009, 09:21

No one went out of their way to hire Doornbos*, why do you think they would do so for PT?

*Except when he showed them some cash.

SarahFan

26th February 2009, 12:07

I like Doornbos but Danica will be on the podium more than him this year.

based on the past two days performance why exactly do you expect her to even get a single podium this year?

DanicaFan

26th February 2009, 12:27

based on the past two days performance why exactly do you expect her to even get a single podium this year?

Because it was only testing and Danica is a great driver.

ShiftingGears

26th February 2009, 12:53

Because it was only testing and Danica is a great driver.

Surfers 2008 doesn't happen to great drivers. Sorry.

jimispeed

26th February 2009, 15:43

No one went out of their way to hire Doornbos*, why do you think they would do so for PT?

*Except when he showed them some cash.

Because PT is a very valuable asset to AOWR.....

And a great personality for the sport. And an ambassador for AOWR.

PT may not have a ride, but he deserves one just as much as any of the top drivers.

He still drives pretty well too!!

garyshell

26th February 2009, 16:12

I like Doornbos but Danica will be on the podium more than him this year.

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

Gary

jimispeed

26th February 2009, 19:23

Wanna put your money where your mouth is?

Gary

Danicafan-

I think you should do a little research before making a statement like that one.

Robert Doornbos tied Nigel Mansells rookie record in Champcar. That was on road/street courses, in a 750/800 hp turbo driven machine. His experiences throughout his career speak for themselves.

Sorry Gary.......it could have been easy money!

Bring Back PT!!!

garyshell

26th February 2009, 20:14

Danicafan-

I think you should do a little research before making a statement like that one.

Robert Doornbos tied Nigel Mansells rookie record in Champcar. That was on road/street courses, in a 750/800 hp turbo driven machine. His experiences throughout his career speak for themselves.

Sorry Gary.......it could have been easy money!

Bring Back PT!!!

I could care less about the money, if we could just get him to lay off these RIDICULOUS pronouncements.

Gary

anthonyvop

26th February 2009, 21:18

Because it was only testing and Danica is a great driver.

When I think of great drivers names like Andretti, Fangio, Mears, Senna come to mind.

They each have wins that # in the double digits in multiple series. They all were for a time dominant in their respective series.

Danica has a grand total of 1 win and has never been dominant.

She isn't even a "great" female driver.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/128696-the-greatest-female-racers-of-all-time

So exactly why is Ms. Patrick a great Driver?

Chamoo

26th February 2009, 22:41

Because she can do better puppet shows then me.

Chamoo

26th February 2009, 22:45

I could care less about the money, if we could just get him to lay off these RIDICULOUS pronouncements.

Gary

We should keep track of all his predictions for Danica and at the end of the year tally up the ones he gets right.

DanicaFan

27th February 2009, 04:56

You can mark my words... At the end of this year's season, Danica will have a couple wins, be in the running for the championship along with an Indy 500 winning.

ShiftingGears

27th February 2009, 04:59

You can mark my words... At the end of this year's season, Danica will have a couple wins, be in the running for the championship along with an Indy 500 winning.

Yeah, you said that last year too.

garyshell

27th February 2009, 05:38

You can mark my words... At the end of this year's season, Danica will have a couple wins, be in the running for the championship along with an Indy 500 winning.

As I asked before, care to put your money where your mouth is?

Gary

DanicaFan

27th February 2009, 09:46

As I asked before, care to put your money where your mouth is?

Gary
Hey, Im willing to bet. I already bet a couple friends that razz me about liking Danica.

jimispeed

27th February 2009, 12:48

Hey, Im willing to bet. I already bet a couple friends that razz me about liking Danica.

OK, so it's a bet! Now PM garyshell, and let's get back to the subject!

Whew.......glad that's over ...

EVERYBODY e-mail Indycar, and demand help getting PT in here for this year!!!!

anthonyvop

27th February 2009, 14:36

Hey, Im willing to bet. I already bet a couple friends that razz me about liking Danica.
So when are you going to explain how Danica is a GREAT driver.

SarahFan

27th February 2009, 17:24

You can mark my words... At the end of this year's season, Danica will have a couple wins, be in the running for the championship along with an Indy 500 winning.

these forums are nothing if not entertaining....

thanks for the comedy D

TURN3

27th February 2009, 19:14

Hey, Im willing to bet. I already bet a couple friends that razz me about liking Danica.

You have friends?
And they would razz YOU?

Why don't you spend a little more time with them instead of day dreaming that Danica will still have a racing career in the next 2 or 3 years. She reached her peak when Rahal plucked her out of European shifter karts and used her for sponsors. Since then...the most 2 famous things she has done are lead 10 laps at Indy (once) and pose for SI. Her fluke and fabricated win in Japan didn't hardly register in the US so I'm not counting it as one of her famous accomplishments.

mlj

27th February 2009, 20:19

Hey, Im willing to bet. I already bet a couple friends that razz me about liking Danica.

You do not like Danica, you are obsessed with her!

jimispeed

27th February 2009, 20:52

OK, so it's a bet! Now PM garyshell, and let's get back to the subject!

Whew.......glad that's over ...

EVERYBODY e-mail Indycar, and demand help getting PT in here for this year!!!!

Well PT, I tried.

Ranger

27th February 2009, 23:06

Because PT is a very valuable asset to AOWR.....

And a great personality for the sport. And an ambassador for AOWR.

PT may not have a ride, but he deserves one just as much as any of the top drivers.

He still drives pretty well too!!

Based on full seasons (not one-off drives) in 2006 and 2007, no he doesn't.

I like PT and would want to see him there, and I'm sure other people in the paddock do as well. But look at the facts. Why any team would hire a 40-year-old overweight headkicker who hasn't been getting results is beyond me.

Hard facts get in the way of sentimental value here.

Robert Doornbos tied Nigel Mansells rookie record in Champcar. That was on road/street courses, in a 750/800 hp turbo driven machine. His experiences throughout his career speak for themselves.

Tied what record?? He's behind in every category!

Wins in debut season:
Mansell, 1993: 5 (against a quality field)
Doornbos, 2007: 2 (against a 2nd-rate field)

Overall standings in debut season:
Mansell, 1993: 1st
Doornbos, 2007: 3rd

No contest.

jimispeed

27th February 2009, 23:52

Tied what record?? He's behind in every category!

Wins in debut season:
Mansell, 1993: 5 (against a quality field)
Doornbos, 2007: 2 (against a 2nd-rate field)

Overall standings in debut season:
Mansell, 1993: 1st
Doornbos, 2007: 3rd

No contest.

Sorry, you are correct sir.........my bad!

Robert Doornbos was compared to Nigel Mansell quite alot in his rookie season. I got my facts dead wrong.

Nigel Mansell in Champcar/CART rookie season: 5 wins 10 podiums

Robert Doornbos in Champcar rookie season 2 wins 6 podiums

First rookie to podium since Nigel Mansell

Nigel had a terrible second season. according to stats

Robert never had a chance at one.

Sorry about the misinformation. Still great driving for a rookie.

I still think PT would be great for AOWR

Knocker69

27th February 2009, 23:57

Ranger

28th February 2009, 00:30

Sorry, you are correct sir.........my bad!

Robert Doornbos was compared to Nigel Mansell quite alot in his rookie season. I got my facts dead wrong.

Nigel Mansell in Champcar/CART rookie season: 5 wins 10 podiums

Robert Doornbos in Champcar rookie season 2 wins 6 podiums

First rookie to podium since Nigel Mansell

Nigel had a terrible second season. according to stats

Robert never had a chance at one.

Sorry about the misinformation. Still great driving for a rookie.

I still think PT would be great for AOWR

First rookie to podium since Mansell? No chance.

But yes I think Robert is decent and should be in AOWR, but no I don't think he's the second coming.

What gets me is that he dudded a better driver out of a good seat not by virtue of talent but by cash.

jimispeed

28th February 2009, 04:57

First rookie to podium since Mansell? No chance.

But yes I think Robert is decent and should be in AOWR, but no I don't think he's the second coming.

What gets me is that he dudded a better driver out of a good seat not by virtue of talent but by cash.

Is there anyone in Indycar who's there right now, only because of his/her talent??

Here's some info on that Mansell rookie thing......

After missing a racing seat for the 2007 Formula One season, Robert Doornbos signed a contract with Minardi Team USA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minardi_Team_USA) for the 2007 Champ Car World Series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champ_Car) season. He made a successful debut in the series in the first race of the season, the Vegas Grand Prix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Las_Vegas_Grand_Prix). After qualifying 3rd, Doornbos finished on the podium, taking 2nd place in the race. This made him the first rookie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rookie) since Nigel Mansell (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Mansell) in 1993 to make it to the podium in his first Champ Car-race. A drive through penalty in 2007 Grand Prix of Cleveland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Grand_Prix_of_Cleveland) quite possibly cost Robert a chance at his first Champ Car victory, but he still managed a fine second place behind Paul Tracy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Tracy). One week later, however, Robert won the 2007 Mont-Tremblant Grand Prix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Mont-Tremblant_Grand_Prix) in Canada and as a result took the joint lead of the championship with Sébastien Bourdais (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A9bastien_Bourdais).

He's the real deal IMO. He's the one I'll be watching. Never raced on an oval, so we'll see how he does there, but I've been impressed by this guys abilities. I think he's got the stuff that great ones are made of!!

garyshell

28th February 2009, 05:34

Is there anyone in Indycar who's there right now, only because of his/her talent??

Oh come on, this is just too easy:

Kanaan, Dario, Dixon, Briscoe, Junquera, Rahal, Power, Tagliani, Wilson.

Gary

jimispeed

28th February 2009, 05:45

Oh come on, this is just too easy:

Kanaan, Dario, Dixon, Briscoe, Junquiera, Rahal, Power, Tagliani, Wilson.

Gary

I'm not sure you're serious. If anyone of them didn't have a sponsor, would they be here?

Maybe a few........

garyshell

28th February 2009, 06:28

I'm not sure you're serious. If anyone of them didn't have a sponsor, would they be here?

Maybe a few........

I don't thing ANY of those are bringing a sponsor. Wilson isn't, Rahal isn't, Brisco isn't, Dixon isn't etc. etc. Their sponsors are team sponsors.

Gary

jimispeed

28th February 2009, 11:29

Originally Posted by Malllen http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/images/aria/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.motorsportforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=595330#post595330)

"What gets me is that he dudded a better driver out of a good seat not by virtue of talent but by cash."

I would like to know which "better driver" he replaced. Is it Justin Wilson?
If so, Justin is a great driver, and deserved the seat, but if the seat had to go to anyone, then Robert Doornbos is more than legitimate.

garyshell,

I made the following statement in reply to this statement by "Malllen" above.

Is there anyone in Indycar who's there right now, only because of his/her talent??

My point was, without sponsorship, many teams wouldn't hire a driver.

Fortunately, Doornbos is worthy of the ride.

garyshell

28th February 2009, 19:13

Is there anyone in Indycar who's there right now, only because of his/her talent??

But the implication of this statement was that the DRIVER had to bring something besides talent, namely the (or at least some) sponsorship.

My point was, without sponsorship, many teams wouldn't hire a driver.
Fortunately, Doornbos is worthy of the ride.

Yes, but you haven't replied to MY answer to you. That there are SEVERAL drivers on the grid who are there because of talent, and not because THEY (the driver) brought a sponsor with them.

Gary

jimispeed

28th February 2009, 21:21

But the implication of this statement was that the DRIVER had to bring something besides talent, namely the (or at least some) sponsorship.

Yes, but you haven't replied to MY answer to you. That there are SEVERAL drivers on the grid who are there because of talent, and not because THEY (the driver) brought a sponsor with them.

Gary

When teams have sponsorship, they can pretty much pick the best driver to their choosing.

It's a good match for Robert Doornbos and Newman Haas Lanigan. It's a good thing that such a good driver has sponsorship.

There are too many good drivers that fall through the cracks because they don't.

I don't disagree with your statement. One way or another it all comes down to sponsorship.....

Now, let's get PT on board, and get on with it.

IWUTitan90

28th February 2009, 23:22

When teams have sponsorship, they can pretty much pick the best driver to their choosing.

It's a good match for Robert Doornbos and Newman Haas Lanigan. It's a good thing that such a good driver has sponsorship.

There are too many good drivers that fall through the cracks because they don't.

I don't disagree with your statement. One way or another it all comes down to sponsorship.

Exactly what sponsorship is Doornbos bringing? Rahal's car said McDonalds/Arctic Ice, Duno had Citgo/Arctic Ice. Doornbos had "BobbyD". I keep reading he brought/has sponsorship/bought the ride out from Wilson, if he did, with what?

Jag_Warrior

1st March 2009, 02:51

You can mark my words... At the end of this year's season, Danica will have a couple wins, be in the running for the championship along with an Indy 500 winning.

A couple of wins?! Dude, I could see Danica getting 5 or 6 wins this year easy... plus Indy! But now, that's 5 or 6 if she doesn't leave the IRL and take Kimi Raikkonen's seat. My guess is she'll either take Jeff Gordon's seat at Hendrick or she'll head to Ferrari after she wins Indy by 2 or 3 laps. I'm sure she can take the F1 World Driving Championship (or the Sprint Cup) as long as she shows up by mid season. That ol' Lewis Hamilton can't hold a candle to The Danica. I think 2009 is Danica's season for sure! I think she'll be so far ahead in IRL points when she leaves that she'll wind up being the IRL champ and the F1 WDC in the same season.

That Danica! Boy, I tell ya what... she's just something else. I know I've never seen anything like her before.

peasant

1st March 2009, 05:14

A couple of wins?! Dude, I could see Danica getting 5 or 6 wins this year easy... plus Indy! But now, that's 5 or 6 if she doesn't leave the IRL and take Kimi Raikkonen's seat. My guess is she'll either take Jeff Gordon's seat at Hendrick or she'll head to Ferrari after she wins Indy by 2 or 3 laps. I'm sure she can take the F1 World Driving Championship (or the Sprint Cup) as long as she shows up by mid season. That ol' Lewis Hamilton can't hold a candle to The Danica. I think 2009 is Danica's season for sure! I think she'll be so far ahead in IRL points when she leaves that she'll wind up being the IRL champ and the F1 WDC in the same season.

That Danica! Boy, I tell ya what... she's just something else. I know I've never seen anything like her before.

Excellent :LOL:

Mark in Oshawa

1st March 2009, 14:30

Jag....you shouldn't torment the lad that way....right now he is in front of his Danica shrine knashing his teeth at all of us...

SarahFan

1st March 2009, 16:31

in front of his Danica shrine Knashing his teeth?

ummm... that's not what they call it where I live

DanicaFan

2nd March 2009, 09:05

Jag, I have to admit, that was pretty funny. :D

But in all honesty, I do feel she will have wins, including the 500 and possibly a championship. This will be her year!

Oh, and my Danica shrine is growing every week. ;)

anthonyvop

2nd March 2009, 14:55

weeflyonthewall

2nd March 2009, 17:27

I like Doornbos but Danica will be on the podium more than him this year.

Maybe you mean the Bikini podium? Its time to set aside the Kool Aid DF. His first win in Indycar will be earned from his driving skills, not a gift from a fellow competitor.

beachbum

2nd March 2009, 20:12

I am still waiting for you to explain how Danica is a GREAT driver.I think we need to give DanicaFan a break. He obviously believes in the greatness of Danica, regardless of evidence to the contrary. However, I find it very troubling that he admits worshiping her and having a shrine. That borders on obsession and he may need some real help. How will he cope when she finally leaves the racing scene as all drivers do eventually?

There is a very good article on celebrity worship that may explain the behavior of some of the more extreme Danica fans.

http://brainblogger.com/2008/11/20/are-we-worshipping-celebrities-or-heroes/

The last line in the article probably says it best.

"We should admire those who are famous because they are great, not those who seem great because they are famous"

Danica may be famous, but she will never be great.

garyshell

2nd March 2009, 22:42

On the other hand, he could be pulling your collective legs.

If only it were so. Sadly, I think the photos we have seen posted here tell us otherwise.

Gary

DanicaFan

2nd March 2009, 23:05

SarahFan

2nd March 2009, 23:52

TURN3

2nd March 2009, 23:55

I do believe in Danica. I know she is a great driver and no one can convince me otherwise. She is a good person too. Having spoken to her numerous times one on one, she is really cool and fun to be around.

When she wins the 500 it will be awesome.

When you say the 500 are you talking about the $500 1st place prize for Tuesday amateur night at Christie's Cabaret in Phoenix?

Jag_Warrior

3rd March 2009, 00:30

harvick#1

3rd March 2009, 06:52

give it up fellas, so he like danica, everyone has there favorites, he just expresses it more than others do.

now back to topic, I'd like to see PT get a chance to run full time, it would be cool to see another temperheaded racer out there.

but Doorknob I believe can get a win or 2 this year on the road courses, hes very good and very talented, but will struggle on ovals. should be an interesting year

dataman1

3rd March 2009, 14:55

now back to topic, I'd like to see PT get a chance to run full time, it would be cool to see another temperheaded racer out there.

I agree. At his age and the fight he still has he will bring back the images of AJ Foyt IMO.

beachbum

3rd March 2009, 16:29

I agree. At his age and the fight he still has he will bring back the images of AJ Foyt IMO.I was always a fan of PT, and while PT could be a solid addition to the series, he is getting past his prime. His request for adequate compensation is reasonable, but there are too many hungry younger drivers who will drive for much less, or bring their own funding. His best years are probably past, while many of the other drivers out of work have more future potential.

It is sad, but all sports greats eventually fade away. We should remember PT at his best and not expect the past to come alive again. In today's racing world, there isn't a lot of room for the "wily old veterans".

garyshell

3rd March 2009, 18:02

In today's racing world, there isn't a lot of room for the "wily old veterans".

Why not? It seems to me it is just the opposite. As an team owner, I would want someone with experience behind the wheel, a proven quantity, especially alongside a rookie. As a series owner, I'd want the personality that someone like PT would bring, I'd want the PR every time he opened his mouth, shoved someone or put on a Mexican wrestler's mask.

Gary

jimispeed

3rd March 2009, 18:04

I was always a fan of PT, and while PT could be a solid addition to the series, he is getting past his prime. His request for adequate compensation is reasonable, but there are too many hungry younger drivers who will drive for much less, or bring their own funding. His best years are probably past, while many of the other drivers out of work have more future potential.

It is sad, but all sports greats eventually fade away. We should remember PT at his best and not expect the past to come alive again. In today's racing world, there isn't a lot of room for the "wily old veterans".

I disagree,

PT has always been good on ovals, and deserves to live out his final years as a driver in open wheel. Many people think he has won an Indy 500. I think he probably feels very hungry for open wheel right now.

Hunger in a driver with god given talents can be a great thing to watch!

Plus, he would bring many fans, who otherwise wouldn't watch, and would probably protest if he was kept from the series and Indy! GF certainly didn't do him any favors by not letting him out of his contract.

Hopefully we'll see him in a full ride this year.