Over at last.

[Hondo]

The United States Senate voted today to pass the $837 billion dollar Stimulus Bill from the discussion phase to the acceptance phase. More than likely the Senate will vote upon it's acceptance tomorrow. Once the Senate votes to accept it as is, President Pelosi and President Reid will haggle some more, make additional modifications for even more money, then send it to the Exalted Transparent One for signature into law.

Although it has been reported that calls and emails to Senate offices have run about 100 to 1 against this spending bill, our fine representatives have once again ignored the wishes of those they represent, and passed the measure. That's life in a representative republic. They do what they want.

When the Exalted Transparent One, who seems to have forgotten how he said things were going to be once he was elected, signs this Stimulus into law it shall become a historic date as the signing of our Declaration of Dependence should be. It will put the destruction of America, as I knew it, on the fast track to completion.

In a way, it's a relief to finally get it over with quickly. For decades I have noted our slow, sorry slide into socialism starting with the Great Society programs of Johnson. Dollar after dollar was thrown into education, equal rights, food and welfare programs and improved education to help the poor lift themselves to a higher level. Unfortunately, they didn't want help, they wanted to be lifted. More money was thrown in, then more, and more still. With every increased benefit, the number of people screaming for benefits increased. To suggest stopping the benefits was met with cries of racism. If you ask me, the real racism was in approaching them in the first place with the attitude of "you people are children and are incapable of providing for yourselves on your own so we are going to provide you with food, housing, and a little spending money." That's racisim. There's nothing racist in expecting an adult to provide for himself and his family. There's nothing racist about expecting people to keep their families at a size they can afford. There's nothing racist about expecting parents to support and educate their children in the proper application of manners. Once social programs get started, they never go away, they just grow larger. Somebody tell me of a government social program that was so successful it was disbanded. Tell me of a government social program that hasn't grown ever larger year after year.

My countrymen have apparently chosen socialism as their prefered way to live or have become so drugged by their TVs that they have been made stupid and are no longer capable of independant thought. So be it.

I guess I'll go look into getting on the dole with the rest of them because I'll be damned if I'm going to work to support them. Wait until you see what's going to start happening real quick like. Hint: It won't be an economic turn around.

[steve_spackman]

The United States Senate voted today to pass the $837 billion dollar Stimulus Bill from the discussion phase to the acceptance phase. More than likely the Senate will vote upon it's acceptance tomorrow. Once the Senate votes to accept it as is, President Pelosi and President Reid will haggle some more, make additional modifications for even more money, then send it to the Exalted Transparent One for signature into law.

Although it has been reported that calls and emails to Senate offices have run about 100 to 1 against this spending bill, our fine representatives have once again ignored the wishes of those they represent, and passed the measure. That's life in a representative republic. They do what they want.

When the Exalted Transparent One, who seems to have forgotten how he said things were going to be once he was elected, signs this Stimulus into law it shall become a historic date as the signing of our Declaration of Dependence should be. It will put the destruction of America, as I knew it, on the fast track to completion.

In a way, it's a relief to finally get it over with quickly. For decades I have noted our slow, sorry slide into socialism starting with the Great Society programs of Johnson. Dollar after dollar was thrown into education, equal rights, food and welfare programs and improved education to help the poor lift themselves to a higher level. Unfortunately, they didn't want help, they wanted to be lifted. More money was thrown in, then more, and more still. With every increased benefit, the number of people screaming for benefits increased. To suggest stopping the benefits was met with cries of racism. If you ask me, the real racism was in approaching them in the first place with the attitude of "you people are children and are incapable of providing for yourselves on your own so we are going to provide you with food, housing, and a little spending money." That's racisim. There's nothing racist in expecting an adult to provide for himself and his family. There's nothing racist about expecting people to keep their families at a size they can afford. There's nothing racist about expecting parents to support and educate their children in the proper application of manners. Once social programs get started, they never go away, they just grow larger. Somebody tell me of a government social program that was so successful it was disbanded. Tell me of a government social program that hasn't grown ever larger year after year.

My countrymen have apparently chosen socialism as their prefered way to live or have become so drugged by their TVs that they have been made stupid and are no longer capable of independant thought. So be it.

I guess I'll go look into getting on the dole with the rest of them because I'll be damned if I'm going to work to support them. Wait until you see what's going to start happening real quick like. Hint: It won't be an economic turn around.

The US has always had forms of socialism...stop whining!!!

[millencolin]

Although it has been reported that calls and emails to Senate offices have run about 100 to 1 against this spending bill, our fine representatives have once again ignored the wishes of those they represent, and passed the measure. That's life in a representative republic. They do what they want.


You gotta remember though, people only bother to write in only when they want to complain. Its rare for people to write in when they support something.

For example, read the 'letters to the editor' section in your local newspaper, its full of people having a whinge.

When it comes to something like television programming and advertisements, people only call/write when they are complaining, they never call to offer praise.

In retail, people only write into the head office of a particular store when they have a complaint to lodge, its incredibly rare for a customer to write in a positive response about their 'shopping experience'.

The same happens in government, people only write in to complain, not when they agree. Always take the number of complaints with a grain of salt.

[Hondo]

Actually, that wasn't whining. It's laughter. I don't have that much longer to run, I'm laughing at the idiots that will be wandering around with dazed looks on their faces asking "how'd that happen....?". Part of that Stimulus is to start sprucing up the old Job Corp camps for all those future highway workers. Shovel anyone?

[ioan]

You gotta remember though, people only bother to write in only when they want to complain. Its rare for people to write in when they support something.

For example, read the 'letters to the editor' section in your local newspaper, its full of people having a whinge.

When it comes to something like television programming and advertisements, people only call/write when they are complaining, they never call to offer praise.

In retail, people only write into the head office of a particular store when they have a complaint to lodge, its incredibly rare for a customer to write in a positive response about their 'shopping experience'.

The same happens in government, people only write in to complain, not when they agree. Always take the number of complaints with a grain of salt.

Let me get this one straight, you want people to lose their time reading mountains of letters full of praise about how good they are at what they are paid for?! When do you want them to do their jobs than? In the remaining time?!
Or maybe they do not receive so many praise letters because they do a bad job?

[Tazio]

Let me get this one straight, you want people to lose their time reading mountains of letters full of praise about how good they are at what they are paid for?! When do you want them to do their jobs than? In the remaining time?!
Or maybe they do not receive so many praise letters because they do a bad job?
Americans have always been encouraged to communicate their opinions on pending legislation.
A responsible Representative is interested in what his constituency wants.
That is why it is called a "Representative Democracy" :dozey:

[ioan]

Americans have always been encouraged to communicate their opinions on pending legislation.
A responsible Representative is interested in what his constituency wants.
That is why it is called a "Representative Democracy" :dozey:

Can you imagine your representative reading tens of thousands of letters of praise and still having time to do her/his job?! I can't. So what good is it to write if they will never read it? Other than supporting the paper manufacturer, the post and the internet providers?! :D

Also people do have work to do other than expressing their opinion on all the bills that are voted on on a daily basis!

And because of the above people will let them vote in peace when they agree with the proposals and they will protest when they do not. It really is that simple!

PS: people do vote for their representatives believing (or rather hoping) that these will be intelligent, mature and responsible enough to make the right choices for the their electors!

[chuck34]

Ok so people aren't phoning in to tell the congress what a great job their doing? They only call to complain? If that is the case, there are a hell of a lot of people out there without jobs. Are you telling me that they have nothing to complain about?

Look at it this way. Say I have lost my job. I'm from a district that has a Republican member of the House. Obviously he voted against the stimulus bill. Now I want a job, if I thought this bill would help wouldn't I be on the phone every hour on the hour yelling at my congressman to vote for the d@mn thing?

You're right people only call in complaints, that boosts the case that people don't want this d@mn thing one bit. They understand that we have already bankrupted our children and now were in the pockets of our grand-children. And most people don't want this crap!

[millencolin]

Let me get this one straight, you want people to lose their time reading mountains of letters full of praise about how good they are at what they are paid for?! When do you want them to do their jobs than? In the remaining time?!
Or maybe they do not receive so many praise letters because they do a bad job?

the question i ask you is... what praise letters? I was stating that its human nature to only state their opinion when they are angry. Its harder to gauge when people are happy with say... a proposal of new legislation

[chuck34]

the question i ask you is... what praise letters? I was stating that its human nature to only state their opinion when they are angry. Its harder to gauge when people are happy with say... a proposal of new legislation

You are right. But again, in this situation people are unhappy because they don't have jobs. So calls should be flooding Republican offices in support for the bill (oposition to the congressmen). Why is THAT not happening?

[Tazio]

Can you imagine your representative reading tens of thousands of letters of praise and still having time to do her/his job?! I can't. So what good is it to write if they will never read it? Other than supporting the paper manufacturer, the post and the internet providers?! :D

Also people do have work to do other than expressing their opinion on all the bills that are voted on on a daily basis!

And because of the above people will let them vote in peace when they agree with the proposals and they will protest when they do not. It really is that simple!

PS: people do vote for their representatives believing (or rather hoping) that these will be intelligent, mature and responsible enough to make the right choices for the their electors!These people have staffs. I respectfully, and profoundly believe that you are mistaken on this issue. Not all votes are done with the consent of the constituency. But go against it enough, and you will be voted out of a job!

[ioan]

These people have staffs. I respectfully, and profoundly believe that you are mistaken on this issue.

:laugh:

They have staff, sure but not for reading tens of thousands of praise letters!
I think I'm pretty right.

[Alexamateo]

I've been thinking about why there always seems to be a general drift towards socialism, and I think I have come up with why. The capitalist themselves don't believe in a free market. Really though what I should say is that they believe in the free market only long enough to establish themselves on top, and then they want to slam the door on anybody coming behind them.

This quote is particularily pertinent:



People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment
and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy
against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.
It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law
which either could be executed, or would be consistent with
liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people
of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it
ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to
render them necessary. Adam Smith Wealth of Nations


I came to this conclusion sitting in an Landscape Contractors Association meeting. I broker trees and shrubs to Landscapers and Nurserymen. There's an old joke among landscapers that anyone with a pickup and a shovel can call themselves a landscaper. In other words there are low barriers of entry. Indeed, I have customers who literally started cutting grass in high school and grew themselves into major construction companies with 200 employees and lots of heavy equipment doing sitework all over the southeast. That to me is a beautiful thing.

But now that they are on top they sit and discuss licensing and permits and fees to drive out the guy with the pickup and shovel even down at the homeowner scale. They want to lobby the state legislature to pass laws in the name of "consumer protection", to accomplish their goals. In other words, they want to raise barriers of entry to drive out competition so they can raise prices.

Now, this may be a rather innocuous example, but the principle is there across all industries. Isn't it crazy? Lobbyists are able to use the left's general distrust of business and industry to make laws that on the surface may not benefit business and industry, but in actuality benefit the entrenched and established.

[schmenke]

...In a way, it's a relief to finally get it over with quickly. For decades I have noted our slow, sorry slide into socialism starting with the Great Society programs of Johnson. Dollar after dollar was thrown into education, equal rights, food and welfare programs and improved education to help the poor lift themselves to a higher level. Unfortunately, they didn't want help, they wanted to be lifted. More money was thrown in, then more, and more still. With every increased benefit, the number of people screaming for benefits increased. ...

I guess Joe Plumber's recent efforts to pursue his rights to "life, liberty and happiness" extended no further than his outstretched palm... :mark:
Not quite what the creators of the Declaration Of Independence had envisioned methinks.

[Rollo]

Although it has been reported that calls and emails to Senate offices have run about 100 to 1 against this spending bill, our fine representatives have once again ignored the wishes of those they represent, and passed the measure. That's life in a representative republic. They do what they want.

Do you not take responsibility for your parliament? When America as a people declared their independence some 233 years ago, you did so because you felt that you weren't being represented by the English Parliament.

I note that just over 2 months ago, the American people voted for the members of the Reps and the Senate. These members were chosen by the people. The 36 votes against the bill were cast by members of the Republican Party. May I remind you that the Democrat Party members who passed the bill were also elected representatives? Can I also remind you that in principle an almost identical bill was passed one year ago to the day?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/economy/bush_stimulus/

Where was your whinge then?

[chuck34]

Do you not take responsibility for your parliament? When America as a people declared their independence some 233 years ago, you did so because you felt that you weren't being represented by the English Parliament.

I note that just over 2 months ago, the American people voted for the members of the Reps and the Senate. These members were chosen by the people. The 36 votes against the bill were cast by members of the Republican Party. May I remind you that the Democrat Party members who passed the bill were also elected representatives? Can I also remind you that in principle an almost identical bill was passed one year ago to the day?

http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/economy/bush_stimulus/

Where was your whinge then?

I know you directed this at Fiero. I don't speak for him, but I had to comment on this.

A year ago I wasn't posting on here much, other things going on. But believe-you-me I had lots of "whinge" then. In the last year to year and a half of the Bush Admin. he completely lost his mind as far as I can tell.

The bill that was passed a year ago was NOT almost identical. Sure it was a bunch of money going out, but not in the same way. Now mind you it was probably just as bad, but not the same as the current "thing".

So $170 Billion didn't do any good a year ago. $700 Billion didn't do any good 4 months ago. What odds do you put on $700-800 Billion working now?

And we do take responsibility for our representatives. The 36 Republicans that voted against it were actually listening to their constituents. The others that voted for it were essentially giving their constituents the finger (mine is one of them, even though I didn't vote for him). So what more can I do at this point? I voted against my Rep. who is now voting against my wishes. Time for a move out of the district? Maybe.

[Tazio]

:laugh:

They have staff, sure but not for reading tens of thousands of praise letters!
I think I'm pretty right. Read it and weep smart @ss
This is what I'm talking about.
I don't know what your on about :confused:

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa020199.htm
People who think members of Congress pay little or no attention to constituent mail, are plain wrong. Concise, well thought out personal letters are one of the most effective ways Americans have of influencing law-makers. But, members of Congress get hundreds of letters and emails every day. Whether you choose to use the Postal Service or email, here are some tips that will help your letter have impact.

Think Locally
It's usually best to send letters to the Representative from your local Congressional District or the Senators from your state. Your vote helps elect them -- or not -- and that fact alone carries a lot of weight. It also helps personalize your letter. Sending the same "cookie-cutter" message to every member of Congress may grab attention but rarely much consideration.

http://w2.eff.org/congress/

State Legislature and Governor contact information is available from the Project Vote-Smart State Elected Official Biographical Information Database at http://www.vote-smart.org/ce/s_index/s_index.phtml?category=State+Legislators. You can also look on your state government's own Web site (see above.)

Why to Not Send Postal Letters Anymore
Because of the post-9/11 security issues, it can take up to THREE MONTHS for postal mail and package delivery services to get through to legislators and their staffs. All incoming mail and parcels are subjected to thorough analysis for bombs, poisons and biological agents like anthrax. This means that sending physical letters is, in 2002 and for the forseeable future, practically useless for activism purposes. The same goes for sending mail to the White House.

The situation is not as bad for Federal agencies, nor for state and municipal government, but even in those cases, fax and e-mail will probably be more efficient and effective. What a turnabout from the 1990s, when most government bodies and legislators more or less ignored e-mail as a valid communications medium!

[Tazio]

:These people have staffs. I respectfully, and profoundly believe that you are mistaken on this issue. Not all votes are done with the consent of the constituency. But go against it enough, and you will be voted out of a job!.


:laugh:

They have staff, sure but not for reading tens of thousands of praise letters!
I think I'm pretty right.

Read it and weep smart @ss
This is what I'm talking about.
I don't know what your on about

https://writerep.house.gov/writerep/welcome.shtml
http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa020199.htm
People who think members of Congress pay little or no attention to constituent mail, are plain wrong. Concise, well thought out personal letters are one of the most effective ways Americans have of influencing law-makers. But, members of Congress get hundreds of letters and emails every day. Whether you choose to use the Postal Service or email, here are some tips that will help your letter have impact.

Think Locally
It's usually best to send letters to the Representative from your local Congressional District or the Senators from your state. Your vote helps elect them -- or not -- and that fact alone carries a lot of weight. It also helps personalize your letter. Sending the same "cookie-cutter" message to every member of Congress may grab attention but rarely much consideration.

http://w2.eff.org/congress/

State Legislature and Governor contact information is available from the Project Vote-Smart State Elected Official Biographical Information Database at http://www.vote-smart.org/ce/s_index...te+Legislators. You can also look on your state government's own Web site





:Everything I post is my own opinion and I\'ll always try to back it up!.
I suggest you either do it, or admit you were talking out of your @ss ;)

[BDunnell]

I've been thinking about why there always seems to be a general drift towards socialism, and I think I have come up with why. The capitalist themselves don't believe in a free market. Really though what I should say is that they believe in the free market only long enough to establish themselves on top, and then they want to slam the door on anybody coming behind them.

I think this is a very pertinent, eloquent point. People always want a free market so long as it benefits their own ends.

Quite apart from that, I see none of the naysayers are coming up with alternative solutions of their own.

Dollar after dollar was thrown into education, equal rights, food and welfare programs and improved education to help the poor lift themselves to a higher level. Unfortunately, they didn't want help, they wanted to be lifted. More money was thrown in, then more, and more still. With every increased benefit, the number of people screaming for benefits increased. To suggest stopping the benefits was met with cries of racism. If you ask me, the real racism was in approaching them in the first place with the attitude of "you people are children and are incapable of providing for yourselves on your own so we are going to provide you with food, housing, and a little spending money." That's racisim. There's nothing racist in expecting an adult to provide for himself and his family. There's nothing racist about expecting people to keep their families at a size they can afford. There's nothing racist about expecting parents to support and educate their children in the proper application of manners.

Well, since you seem to immediately link poor with race, then I do believe that you are a racist.

I apologise for calling you a Neo-Con in previous threads. It is now evident you are not. You are Nazi Scum.

[Jag_Warrior]

A year ago I wasn't posting on here much, other things going on. But believe-you-me I had lots of "whinge" then. In the last year to year and a half of the Bush Admin. he completely lost his mind as far as I can tell.

IMO, he started losing it in 2002-03, but that's just my opinion.



So $170 Billion didn't do any good a year ago. $700 Billion didn't do any good 4 months ago. What odds do you put on $700-800 Billion working now?

Well, that's just it. Are we prepared to say that the $170 billion "didn't do any good"? The entire $700 billion hasn't been spent yet. And while I hate the way that Wall St. and the financial industry wasted and horded what they got, who is to say that things wouldn't have been much worse without it? The real problem I have with the $700 billion TARP is the way that Paulson pulled one over on Bush, the Congress and the American people. Whether it was a good idea or not, the money was not distributed or used as Paulson claimed it needed to be. And to add insult to injury, it seems that what few rules he had for the TARP were loosely applied.

I can't say that TARP 1 made things better. But given what I was seeing, it's not a stretch to imagine things could have been a helluva lot worse.

I'm not really arguing against you here. I can't think of a time in my life when I've been more confused. Nothing seems to make sense anymore. I haven't read the current legislation and I can't come to an opinion just based on talk radio and what little I've read today on the internet. All I've learned today is that from Washington, D.C. to Wall St., the rule that these people live by is: "I've got mine. You've got yours to get."

[chuck34]

IMO, he started losing it in 2002-03, but that's just my opinion.




Well, that's just it. Are we prepared to say that the $170 billion "didn't do any good"? The entire $700 billion hasn't been spent yet. And while I hate the way that Wall St. and the financial industry wasted and horded what they got, who is to say that things wouldn't have been much worse without it? The real problem I have with the $700 billion TARP is the way that Paulson pulled one over on Bush, the Congress and the American people. Whether it was a good idea or not, the money was not distributed or used as Paulson claimed it needed to be. And to add insult to injury, it seems that what few rules he had for the TARP were loosely applied.

I can't say that TARP 1 made things better. But given what I was seeing, it's not a stretch to imagine things could have been a helluva lot worse.

I'm not really arguing against you here. I can't think of a time in my life when I've been more confused. Nothing seems to make sense anymore. I haven't read the current legislation and I can't come to an opinion just based on talk radio and what little I've read today on the internet. All I've learned today is that from Washington, D.C. to Wall St., the rule that these people live by is: "I've got mine. You've got yours to get."

The $170 Billion really didn't do much. There was a slight, very slight, up-tick in consumer spending in the summer after the checks went out, but then it plunged right back down. So maybe it helped slightly, but is that really a good argument for spending more? I don't think so, but if you do that's really fine too.

Look at it this way: Business owners are not stupid people. Short sighted and greedy maybe but not stupid. They knew that people were going to get a one time check. Some of those people were then going to go out and spend it, others will save it. Now the business owners see a small increase in sales, and think that's great. But they know that it will not last because those checks are now spent, and the people don't have any more money to spend. So these business owners will not go out and hire more workers to cope with this "increased demand" because it is artifical and short term. So there is no long term increase in employment, and therfore no help to the overall economy.

TARP I is a bit of a different story. The gov. forced banks to take the money who didn't really need it (Bank of America is one) so that the banks that did need it (Citi Group) wouldn't look "so bad". Well the good banks just used the money to buy other banks (marginal banks), and the bad banks still pretty much failed. No one is loaning out any more money, so businesses that need loans to cover their pay-rolls still can't get them so they still layed off people. That was the whole point wasn't it? And it didn't work. The US is just deeper in debt.

I really don't see TARP II doing anything different, and the "stimulus" isn't really going to get any money out there for quite a few more months when the ression will probably be over anyway. So that is just going to heap more debt on us and our childeren.

If you haven't read the bill yet, try and at least skim it. I have. There is some stuff in there that truely will help, probably. There is some other deserving stuff in there, but it shouldn't be in an emergency spending bill. But there is a whole bunch of just plain 'ole crap in there.

I hope I'm wrong. I hope we come out of this stronger than ever. But looking at history, I don't see one example where government spending did anything to the economy other that push it further into debt.

[chuck34]

All I've learned today is that from Washington, D.C. to Wall St., the rule that these people live by is: "I've got mine. You've got yours to get."

Oh yeah, this is dead on. And with that in mind, do you really want to give those jokers in Washington any more of your money??????

[Hondo]

It's not quite dead on. it's more like "I've got mine. You've got your's to get, and when you do, I'm taking most of it too."

The markets here will stay down as long as private investors believe any returns they make will be taxed down to nothing. The new government, based on it's record so far, is not to be trusted and private investors will not risk their capital, only to have the government confiscate the profits from them.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I think this is a very pertinent, eloquent point. People always want a free market so long as it benefits their own ends.

Quite apart from that, I see none of the naysayers are coming up with alternative solutions of their own.

Mr. Dunnell...you haven't been paying attention. Chuck, Fiero and the others HAVE been saying what their solution is. To let things work out on their own. Banks that default will be bought up by healthier banks. Companies that lay off will quickly still try to gain new markets and new business and in time will do so and hire again.

I think while some stimulus measures were needed, the way this bill was rammed through the US governmental system is an affront to democracy. Think of it, a 1000 page bill was given about 48 hours of airing and reading for the public and constiteuncies to read it. You want to ask WHY they are mad? I would be too if my parliament even TRIED that. Lucky for us, the Westminister system of Parliament involves 3 readings and the house of sober second thought ( the appointed Canadian Senate ) actually tends to be just that on any controversial bill. Would Americans be so lucky.

It is one thing to like the bill but it would be nice if those in support of it actually knew what they were supporting.

[Hondo]

No, they promised 48 hours. At most, we were given 12 hours. In addition, it was done in .pdf format to prevent keyword searches.

None of the people that voted on it had read the entire thing.

[Mark in Oshawa]

Fiero....the sad part is you could have put that sucker out for a week and I suspect only people such as yourself would have taken the time to actually peruse it. We in the western democracies put way too much faith in our elected officials and they often let us down...

[Hondo]

Fiero....the sad part is you could have put that sucker out for a week and I suspect only people such as yourself would have taken the time to actually peruse it. We in the western democracies put way too much faith in our elected officials and they often let us down...

As my posts indicate and Mr. Dunnell can attest to, I put no faith in government or elected officials above the immediate local level. Ever.

[Hondo]

What a guy!! Obama's Transparency Promises....LOL.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/02/14/flashback-obama-promises-to-allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-bills/

I say again the only real purpose of the stimulus bill is to finance the greater expansion of the Democratic Party.

You wonder why I don't trust government? This guy is only 3 weeks in office.

Listen to those fools cheer. Sigh.