Ferrari 2009

[MotorRacingIndustry.com]

I just heard that due to bad weather conditions, Ferrari has decided to debut its 2009 car Mugello on Monday as opposed to Fiorano.

Maranello has been hit hard by the weather in the last 24 hours, with the Fiorano test track left covered by a layer of snow!

[ArrowsFA1]

What's wrong with launching a new car in the snow :confused: Arrows managed it perfectly ok at Silverstone :p

http://bp2.blogger.com/_j6DETBOCNak/RiiJYu0S2VI/AAAAAAAAAEg/DB0-h3lkKkM/s200/arrowssilverstone1978sg7.jpg

[goodf1fun]

hello,

i am a Ferrari fun, so i am looking forward to see the new 2009 car,

not only because of the new regulations, but also because Ferrari have not shown us any components like new wings, on the interim cars they test in the last testings.

Are they going to represent the car like last year? if i am correct, they just gave some photos to the press, nothing special...

Are they going to run the car only on the circuit and give some ''interim photos'' to the press? I am looking forward to that, because is the first car to go out on track!!!

Imagine every team to have different aerodynamic look and different aerodynamic philosophy ... !!!! :D

[ioan]

hello,

i am a Ferrari fun...

Is that funny?! :p :

[goodf1fun]

Is that funny?! :p :

whats wrong with the word fun?

[pino]

40 more minutes and you can see the new Ferrari here (http://www.ferrariworld.com/) :D

[Powered by Cosworth]

I'm travelling to college then!

Somebody embed or link jpgs here, iPhone and the ferrari world website don't get on :(

[Dzeidzei]

I'm travelling to college then!

Somebody embed or link jpgs here, iPhone and the ferrari world website don't get on :(

From Finnish MTV3:

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/etusivu/2009/01/619131.jpg

Looks better than I expected.

Maybe its the colour... :)

[HenryM]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/Spectrobozo/Untitled-5.jpg

[PolePosition_1]

From Finnish MTV3:

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/etusivu/2009/01/619131.jpg

Looks better than I expected.

Maybe its the colour... :)

Or those Red tinted glasses you got on ;) .


Though in fairness, does look better than expected. I think with time we'll come to appreciate the look of these new cars. I remember the transistion from 1997 to 1998 was strange, and they looked weird, but I got use to them pretty quick.

And with the unveiling of first car, already I can see myself liking them.

The front view from Henry looks pretty tidy.

[Mark]

I'm still not a fan of those narrow rear wings. Couldn't they have made them less efficient whilst retaining the width?

[Dzeidzei]

Or those Red tinted glasses you got on ;) .


Or those glasses, youre right :)

I think people will eventually see that for example the 2008 BMW was a horrible mockery of car design.

[ArrowsFA1]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72731

It looks great from the side :cool:

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2009fer1/image/47196_profilo_dx_2009-2

It's just when I see those wings...

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2009fer1/image/47195_fronte_2009-2

:hmh:

[HenryM]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/448/diapo103qz8.jpg
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http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6552/diapo110dc7.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3412/diapo111yz1.jpg

high resolution photos.

[ioan]

I'm still not a fan of those narrow rear wings. Couldn't they have made them less efficient whilst retaining the width?

Maybe imposing that the extra width should have a neutral section and angle (and very very stiff too ;) ).

[ioan]

http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/448/diapo103qz8.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/415/diapo104av1.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/3236/diapo107lf5.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/5926/diapo106ep7.jpg
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/4719/diapo105rp6.jpg
http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6552/diapo110dc7.jpg
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/3412/diapo111yz1.jpg

high resolution photos.

Thanks!

[ioan]

Neat little racer! :)

Seriously it is a beautiful F1 racer with smooth lines. If it wasn't for those rear view mirror supports it would be perfect.

[ArrowsFA1]

Perhaps they should have launched the car at Fiorano after all. That front wing would have cleared the snow in no time :p

[Dave B]

Nice to see some clean lines on a F1 car again, and hopefully a permanent end to dumbo wings, horrible chimneys and flip-ups; as well as those horrible grooves which had no place on racing tyres.

The massive difference in size between the front and rear wings will take some getting used to, but I'd imagine that five minutes into first practice at Melbourne and we won't really care.

[Big Ben]

I'm curious to see how long is it going to take me to get used to this. It still looks bad to me. I'm glad to see the little wings gone but the front and the rear wing seem to come from different cars. They seem just so disproportionate

[LeonBrooke]

I think this car allays our fears that the new cars would be ugly:

http://www.pitpass.com/images/galleries/2009launchferrari/2009launchferrari_s004.jpg

[RJL25]

this is more or less what i expected of the '09 cars, i think it looks good.

What i'm really looking forward to is seeing how each individual team interperates the new rules, i'm sure there won't be any hint of similarity between cars this year! They will all have a level of uniqueness that we haven't seen since the '90s i think

[Ranger]

Those sidepod contours are pretty different.

It all looks quite nice until the rear 1/3rd of the car with the rear wing and the patchy bodywork around the exhaust.

[ShiftingGears]

I'm not a fan of the snowplough on the front. They could've put it to good use at Fiorano.

[Donney]

I like it!!!!

[Giuseppe F1]

Interesting thus far that Ferrari havent released any official shots of the rear of the car..........some bits they want to keep away from prying eyes perhaps?! :)

[Knock-on]

Sorry but I think the rear looks awful bearing in mind that this is the most flattering angle.

The Ferrari looks nice until that carbuncle was imposed on it.

And those mirrors.....

[Knock-on]

Here's another picture.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45367000/jpg/_45367451_af2b8598-e613-4b2a-b4dd-d3c32af58e03.jpg

[CNR]

it looks like a diecast model car
http://uk.reuters.com/news/pictures/articleslideshow?articleId=UKLC31643420090112&channelName=sportsNews#a=1

[ioan]

Why did they run on intermediates?! Track looks as dry as possible.

And that oval air intake is not very aesthetic, but the rear wing beats it!
All in all not a flattering angle to take a picture of it! :)

[Knock-on]

Why did they run on intermediates?! Track looks as dry as possible.

And that oval air intake is not very aesthetic, but the rear wing beats it!
All in all not a flattering angle to take a picture of it! :)

They only did a couple of laps to show it off so I guess they just banged on an old set of inters.

Bearing in mind the Ferrari usually looks one of the nicest cars, I hate to think what the new regs will look like on some of the others.

Thank God Honda's Earth project isn't out there :laugh:

[wedge]

And those mirrors.....

It's nothing new. They 'stole' that off the Force Indias and Renaults.

And I'm surprised those deflectors/shields/ears have been managed to be somewhat retained this year.

Overall the F60 is a nice tidy package. Looks more like FBMW/FRenault than F3. I was expecting a lot worse but then again all the cars will look similar and will come as a less surprise as the year goes on.

As long as the racing's good there'll be no complaints.

[Dave B]

Why did they run on intermediates?! Track looks as dry as possible.

In addition to what Knock-on said, keep in mind that it's blummin' cold out there at the moment. The movement of the tread on the inters means they heat up a lot quicker.

[christophulus]

Side-on it looks great, but those wings still look, well, wrong. Overall though I'm pleasantly surprised, lets see if any other team has gone down a different route

[Mark]

In addition to what Knock-on said, keep in mind that it's blummin' cold out there at the moment. The movement of the tread on the inters means they heat up a lot quicker.

Yep, it's going to be one of the issues of the 2009 season, drivers getting their tyres up to operating temperature. Slick tyres do offer more grip than grooved, but only when they have a much bigger variance in performance according to the temperature.

It's something we haven't seen so much in recent years but I remember races on slicks back in the day where a driver already on track would have about a laps advantage on a car just exiting the pits who's tyres were not yet fully warmed up, despite tyre warming blankets.

[christophulus]

Yep, it's going to be one of the issues of the 2009 season, drivers getting their tyres up to operating temperature.

That and KERS - or more specifically how reliable it is and whether it's worth the excess weight. Ferrari confirmed that the car today was running with it but may not use it in Melbourne citing reliability concerns

http://www.itv-f1.com/news_article.aspx?id=44913

[wedge]

In addition to what Knock-on said, keep in mind that it's blummin' cold out there at the moment. The movement of the tread on the inters means they heat up a lot quicker.

Because of the softer compound

[blakebeatty]

Neat little racer! :)

Seriously it is a beautiful F1 racer with smooth lines. If it wasn't for those rear view mirror supports it would be perfect.

I was very dissapointed with the mirror supports too. first thing that I noticed. Basically still a winglet. Maybe a loophole in the rules?

I think that from the top and side view it is the sleekest looking F1 car i have ever seen. No garbage, just flowing red.

[blakebeatty]

Also, do you think that the name F60, a reference to Ferrari's longest tenure, another stab at Bernie by Luca?

To me it is a sort of double entendre, a celebration of their history, and a reference to the fact that they ARE the old boys club.

It seems to fit right in with their pissing contest.

[tinchote]

It doesn't look as awful as I expected. Now, with that front wing, visits to the pits to replace it will be a very common thing this year :s

[ioan]

Also, do you think that the name F60, a reference to Ferrari's longest tenure, another stab at Bernie by Luca?

To me it is a sort of double entendre, a celebration of their history, and a reference to the fact that they ARE the old boys club.

It seems to fit right in with their pissing contest.

Hopefully it is, and rightly so. And if they manage to make bernie leave F1 than it will be called the mophead destroyer! :p :

[jens]

From some view angles the car actually looks quite nice (starting to get used to the new look, eh?), but the front look is still annoying for my eyes with highly emphasized width of that 'massive' front wing.

Maybe watching one car isn't too bad, but looking at 20 such bulldozers on the grid at Melbourne will look kinda odd.

Well, what can I say more? Like mentioned before, the inlets in sidepods look quite interesting (smaller than before at first glance, haven't made an investigation), but due to massive changes won't really try to make too far-fetched conclusions at the moment before another car hasn't been seen for enabling to get some kind of a comparison platform. And the next one - Toyota, that is. :)

[BDunnell]

Aesthetically, I don't mind the front wing, but the rear one is a different matter.

[Tazio]

I can live with it.
(As long as it's running near the front) :p :

[Cozzie]

As far as the livery goes it's good but that car is a bloody monstrosity!

[cosmicpanda]

The rear wing doesn't look too bad from the side.

[MotorRacingIndustry.com]

I'm still not sure I like it. Perhaps it will grow on me. ;)

There are 24 photos from the launch/test at the MotorRacingIndustry.com Facebook Gallery.

See here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6365044725

[Hawkmoon]

From several angles the car looks good. When you get an angle that accentuates the different widths of the front and rear wings things deteriorate rapidly.

I think the solid colour of the livery helps make the car look much better. Picture this car with Renault's vomit-inducing ING livery from '08 and it's not such a pretty picture.

[Bullet]

Hasn't even been 24 hrs and I'm already starting to get used to it.

[wmcot]

No complaints here! I like it!

Those who complain about the front or rear wings are used to the front wing being a foot off the ground thanks to FIA regs. Once upon a time all front wings were low and wide.

The rear wing doesn't bother me. Take a look back to '83 - '84 when the rear wings were huge monsters! Or how about the 1991 Jordan with its tri-plane rear wing? Wing styles come and go.

I'm most impressed by the clean body lines - no winglets or flip-ups!

The engine compartment looks VERY compact, even with KERS installed.

[truefan72]

its horrible

not the Ferrari in particular but the 2009 spec.
I hate the wings and feel that these cars are a step backwords in evolution rather than foward.

Those wings are an eyesore

[ioan]

its horrible

not the Ferrari in particular but the 2009 spec.
I hate the wings and feel that these cars are a step backwords in evolution rather than foward.

Those wings are an eyesore

No problem, don't watch it.

[SGWilko]

The transition from wide to narrow track made the cars look uber weird, we soon got used to it.

Same here, the 'ugly' novelty will soon wear off.

The loss of the winglets, flip ups, flaps and parafernalia is like a breath of fresh(ish) air alone!

[ArrowsFA1]

It'll be interesting to see what other teams do with their wing mirrors. IMHO it appears that on the Ferrari the structure supporting them directs the air as efficiently as possible, therefore acting rather like the winglets, flip-ups and other aero bits & pieces that were supposed to be gone for 2009. The primary purpose is obvious, but that's not so say there isn't a secondary purpose not covered by the rules.

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2009fer1/image/19047_F2009_42-2

Wing mirrors obviously have to go somewhere, and we're yet to see the other cars, but I do wonder whether we'll see the design of these develop during the course of the season into something the rules have not envisioned.

[Mark]

Wing mirrors obviously have to go somewhere, and we're yet to see the other cars, but I do wonder whether we'll see the design of these develop during the course of the season into something the rules have not envisioned.

Thus producing standard wing mirrors from 2010 no doubt.

[wedge]

Thus producing standard wing mirrors from 2010 no doubt.

I can see this coming. The mirrors placed on the outer extremities of the car certainly helps with aero efficiency but hinders the driver. DC had to revert to the standard set up last year and even then still had problems!


It'll be interesting to see what other teams do with their wing mirrors. IMHO it appears that on the Ferrari the structure supporting them directs the air as efficiently as possible, therefore acting rather like the winglets, flip-ups and other aero bits & pieces that were supposed to be gone for 2009. The primary purpose is obvious, but that's not so say there isn't a secondary purpose not covered by the rules.

http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2009fer1/image/19047_F2009_42-2

Wing mirrors obviously have to go somewhere, and we're yet to see the other cars, but I do wonder whether we'll see the design of these develop during the course of the season into something the rules have not envisioned.

It's not a new concept.

http://cache.gettyimages.com/xc/73093035.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19390335F8FA9CA92A6187CC2F0A7681382 474FC6B9CADF7309

If its within the rules then I can only take my hat off and compliment Marenello for spotting and taking advantage of the ambiguity.

[Corny]

why has Felipe got number 4, and not 3? Shouldn't he be the higher number as he was higher than Kimi on points in 2008..?

[blakebeatty]

why has Felipe got number 4, and not 3? Shouldn't he be the higher number as he was higher than Kimi on points in 2008..?

The car that massa shook down had the 3 on it.

http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2009/gen/f1-2009-gen-tm-0028.jpg

[Corny]

http://www.rtl.nl/(/sport/rtl_gp/formule1/nieuws/)/sport/rtl_gp/components/formule1/nieuws/2009/01_januari/articles/090112_fia_lijst_formule_1.xml

seems that he should have number 4

[ArrowsFA1]

If its within the rules then I can only take my hat off and compliment Marenello for spotting and taking advantage of the ambiguity.
Oh, absolutely :up: I'd expect other teams to be doing something similar on their '09 cars as well.

[mstillhere]

Don't debate too much on how the car looks like right now. Tobaziz himself said that by the time the championship starts the F60 will look dramatically different.

[Cozzie]

Is it just me or is this car reminiscent of the 1983 Brabhams.

[wedge]

Is it just me or is this car reminiscent of the 1983 Brabhams.

Great minds think alike!

http://www.motorsportforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=129531

[Rollo]

why has Felipe got number 4, and not 3? Shouldn't he be the higher number as he was higher than Kimi on points in 2008..?

Apart from the World Champion who is allocated No.1, it is the teams who are awarded the numbers, not the drivers. Felipe or Kimi could run either 3 or 4 depending on what Ferrari put on the application form.

[Dzeidzei]

Apart from the World Champion who is allocated No.1, it is the teams who are awarded the numbers, not the drivers. Felipe or Kimi could run either 3 or 4 depending on what Ferrari put on the application form.

I think it´s quite obvious. The team apply the smaller number for their number 1 driver.

Right, Ioan?

[ioan]

I think it´s quite obvious. The team apply the smaller number for their number 1 driver.

Right, Ioan?

Maybe they apply to the better performing driver (as it should be in the spirit of fairness), in this case look no further than last season's end.
The fact that Massa got to shake down the car even though Kimi was available confirms that they believe he deserves to be the one with the smaller number on the car.

Anyway, the number they sport on their cars will be of little sporting interest during the coming season.

[ioan]

Is it just me or is this car reminiscent of the 1983 Brabhams.

Well, it certainly has 4 wheels, just like the Brabham.
Other similarities: 1 front wing, 1 rear wing, sidepods, 2 rearview mirrors, 1 steering wheel, I seat, 1 engine, needs a driver etc...

[jens]

When before 2007 Massa was given a smaller car number, it was discussed here too that oh what does that mean, does it mean he is really on equal terms with Kimi or something like that? ... Maybe we just shouldn't pay attention to the number-stuff. ;)

[Sleeper]

I think it looks great. Admitedly the rear wing could have been wider but overall not a bad look, though I know its going to change by Melbourne.

McLaren and Toyota next on Thursday.

[Garry Walker]

No problem, don't watch it.
What a stupid response.

Great looking car, except for the rear wing. Awful. Completely ruins the look of the car.

[ArrowsFA1]

Great looking car, except for the rear wing. Awful. Completely ruins the look of the car.
I think that's the thing; the difference in width between the front and rear wings are out of proportion to the car as a whole. Still if it's quick...

[ioan]

What a stupid response.


Still not used to think before talking (writing)?! :rolleyes:

[Garry Walker]

Still not used to think before talking (writing)?! :rolleyes: The problem was the idiotic response from you to a person who dared to voice his opinion that the 2009 cars look really ugly. A view shared by many. It is like one person saying that he doesn`t agree with everything the president of country X has done and having another person tell him "well fcuk off then."
Because you are hyper-sensitive to any critic on Mosley, even when it was not really an attack on him, you of course had to shoot your mouth off.

The only here not thinking before posting is you

[ioan]

The problem was the idiotic response from you to a person who dared to voice his opinion that the 2009 cars look really ugly. A view shared by many. It is like one person saying that he doesn`t agree with everything the president of country X has done and having another person tell him "well fcuk off then."
Because you are hyper-sensitive to any critic on Mosley, even when it was not really an attack on him, you of course had to shoot your mouth off.

The only here not thinking before posting is you

What does Mosley have to do with this? :rolleyes:

You fell of the bed? Your GF quit you? What kind of problem you have?

I said nothing to you for more than a month, you came back today and started insulting me out of the blue. If you got a problem than I'm sorry, but it's only yours, keep it for yourself.

[BDunnell]

Ah, the old 'accuse each other of having a problem' argument. Delightful...

[Garry Walker]

What does Mosley have to do with this? :rolleyes:
Your logic was easy to figure out. Someone attacked the look of the cars, therefor the rules, therefore the creator of the rules - Mosley.



Your GF quit you?Sorry to dissapoint you, but I am a taken man, so thanks, but no thanks :D


You fell of the bed?
Again, sorry to dissapoint you, but I am in a grand mood today and have been for a long time.



I said nothing to you for more than a month, you came back today and started insulting me out of the blue. If you got a problem than I'm sorry, but it's only yours, keep it for yourself.
It is irrelevant if you say anything to me or not, but if I see a post that I strongly disagree with, then I will respond to it.
I will also add that I did not start insulting you. Look in the mirror.

[ioan]

Your logic was easy to figure out. Someone attacked the look of the cars, therefor the rules, therefore the creator of the rules - Mosley.

:laugh: :rotflmao:
That must be the "put words in the others mouth" post of the year 2009, I doubt someone can beat such a piece of rubbish in the next 11 1/2 months.

[SGWilko]

:laugh: :rotflmao:
That must be the "put words in the others mouth" post of the year 2009, I doubt someone can beat such a piece of rubbish in the next 11 1/2 months.

Ioan my dear fellow, it seems nearly every other post of yours on here just recently fulfills the criteria to which you refer above!

Did you take a New Years resolution to spout trash forthwith for all to see?

[ioan]

Ioan my dear fellow, it seems nearly every other post of yours on here just recently fulfills the criteria to which you refer above!

Did you take a New Years resolution to spout trash forthwith for all to see?

Wilko, if it isn't your coat than don't wear it. It's a friendly advice and it may serve you well one day.

[SGWilko]

Wilko, if it isn't your coat than don't wear it. It's a friendly advice and it may serve you well one day.

I am a jacket man - goes with the pipe and slippers......

[ioan]

I am a jacket man - goes with the pipe and slippers......

Whatever, keep out of other people's nasty business, if you wish to have your pipe in peace.

[SGWilko]

Whatever, keep out of other people's nasty business, if you wish to have your pipe in peace.

Oohhh, a Paul McCartney fan I see........ :D

[PolePosition_1]

Someone ban Ioan and Garry for week or so, its de-railing the topic!

[ShiftingGears]

The drivers will do well not to have more broken front wings in the first few races.
In any case, I hope the design leads to more overtaking opportunities.

[Robinho]

Someone ban Ioan and Garry for week or so, its de-railing the topic!

your kidding right?

its good to have something else to read to keep things ticking over in the off season, other than car launches.

Thank God Ron Dennis paid Garry and Ioan off to keep fighting to spark some interest on the F1 boards! ;)

BTW the Ferrari looks stunning, IMO, other than the rear wing. that said i think it looks substantialy better that the ludicrous CFD wing that was touted a few years ago. yeah the wings look out if proportion, but once we've seen al the cars on track we'll soon forget that its not the "normal" look. the clean body work is a big enough plus for me to not be too bothered by the rear wing looking a bit gawky.

[wedge]

Oh, absolutely :up: I'd expect other teams to be doing something similar on their '09 cars as well.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/72741


The sidepod fronts are the main area of aerodynamic freedom, as they are described in the rules as the area for side impact protection and thus excluded from the limitations placed on the three volumes making up the rearward part of the sidepod. To exploit this, Ferrari have shortened the sidepod front as much as possible to allow more vanes to be added.

[Tazio]

The drivers will do well not to have more broken front wings in the first few races.
Having DC retired ought to even the odds. :p :

[jens]

I don't think those "front wing accident" arguments are really that worrisome. Drivers are adaptable and besides that, they have expressed their concerns about changes in the past too. Weren't some drivers before 2008 worried that without TC wet racing will be "impossible"? Well, at Monza all but one drivers finished.