There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life

[donKey jote]

I heard this on the radio this morning too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/7818980.stm

The campaign was dreamed up by comedy writer
British humour at it's best... what exactly is an atheist advert supposed to advertise, nothing ? :laugh:
:dozey:

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[Drew]

and in typical British style, somebody's already complained about it :dozey:

[Daniel]

I heard this on the radio this morning too.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/uk/7818980.stm

British humour at it's best... what exactly is an atheist advert supposed to advertise, nothing ? :laugh:
:dozey:

http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/16/16_3_166.gif
Sheer idiocy at it's best. If you want to put a lighthearted statement on a bus you have to prove the unprovable :crazy:

[Andrewmcm]

Oh I dunno, the agnostics/atheists make an interesting point though. How often do you go through a City Centre on a Saturday afternoon and see the Gospel Choir out singing about Jesus, or some person banging on about how we're all going to Hell for some reason or another, but there are never any people out campaigning for Satanism or something similar?

[rah]

Oh I dunno, the agnostics/atheists make an interesting point though. How often do you go through a City Centre on a Saturday afternoon and see the Gospel Choir out singing about Jesus, or some person banging on about how we're all going to Hell for some reason or another, but there are never any people out campaigning for Satanism or something similar?

lol good point. Maybe I need to get some atheism brochures made up so that next time someone hands me a brochure about jesus I can hand one back.

[MrJan]

Do religious people not have a sense of humour? I am bombarded by religion where ever I go, constant signs about Jesus and The Lord. I get people delivering ntoes through my letter box, coming to my door and asking if I've thought about God and all that, yet it takes just one advert for someone to kick off and have a right old whinge.

I thought that most religions were supposed to be understanding and forgiving, sadly half the people that follow them are intent that everyone else should be told that their wrong until we all look at things the same way.

[ShiftingGears]

What a legend!

[ShiftingGears]

Sheer idiocy at it's best. If you want to put a lighthearted statement on a bus you have to prove the unprovable :crazy:

Yeah, its pretty ridiculous.

[Drew]

How often do you go through a City Centre on a Saturday afternoon and see the Gospel Choir out singing about Jesus, or some person banging on about how we're all going to Hell for some reason or another, but there are never any people out campaigning for Satanism or something similar?

They have scientologists in Plymouth and even in Verona! That's close enough! :eek:

[patnicholls]

I quite like the irony of religious people complaining about a sign which tells them to stop worrying and enjoy their life... :p

[chuck34]

I saw this a while back. Thought they had a good thing there. I'm religious, but I see nothing wrong with people supporting their views. Good for them

[Storm]

hilarious!

[Easy Drifter]

On the rural Ont. street (about 20 houses in a mile) where I used to live when the Jehovah's Witnesses came around the phones went into action warning the rest of the street.
Once when we had been deluged with them about every second day one old irratable retired farmer but a sign on his door 'We shoot every third Jehovah's Witness. The second one just left.'
They actually left him alone!

[gloomyDAY]

:rotflmao:

I bet a lot of people read this and thought, "Hey! I'm not alone!"

[gadjo_dilo]

I can't understand the part with "stop worrying ". Those who believe in God have nothing to worry about because it's someone up there who takes care of them and spread divine justice. On the other hand those who are really bigots can't change their narrow ideas due to a slogan on a bus.

But obviously someone paid for this campaign and that's what I find bloody hilarious. Money for nothing.....

[Storm]

gadjo, to be fair I find that those who are super religious and believers tend to worry about life and things a LOT more than us atheists ;) (since we know nobody is gonna come and help us out, hehe)


and they go running to a temple/church when things go wrong...
Just from what I have seen in general.. :)

[Tomi]

a bloody funny campaign

[ioan]

gadjo, to be fair I find that those who are super religious and believers tend to worry about life and things a LOT more than us atheists ;) (since we know nobody is gonna come and help us out, hehe)


and they go running to a temple/church when things go wrong...
Just from what I have seen in general.. :)

Agree! My mother is just like that, maybe that helped me make up my mind and be a non-believer! ;)

[gadjo_dilo]

gadjo, to be fair I find that those who are super religious and believers tend to worry about life and things a LOT more than us atheists ;) (since we know nobody is gonna come and help us out, hehe)


and they go running to a temple/church when things go wrong...
Just from what I have seen in general.. :)

The super religious can't change their minds because of a bus ad. I think I've said it above.

Don't know about other cults but the average orthodox christians have no reasons to worry. They are free to enjoy life but have to respect a few rules that are common sense even for the atheists: don't kill, don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal. For breaking some of these rules the society punishes you more than God by sentence to jail or death. :laugh:

[ioan]

The super religious can't change their minds because of a bus ad. I think I've said it above.

Don't know about other cults but the average orthodox christians have no reasons to worry. They are free to enjoy life but have to respect a few rules that are common sense even for the atheists: don't kill, don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal. For breaking some of these rules the society punishes you more than God by sentence to jail or death. :laugh:

Don't get me going about the orthodox Christians and their views about the other religions or atheists.
In Romania the orthodox believers are getting worse by the day with incredibly extremist views clearly getting the upper hand over the moderate ones.

[Donney]

Funny and sad at the same time, 2009 and some people still don't get how come others have different opinions.

[gadjo_dilo]

Don't get me going about the orthodox Christians and their views about the other religions or atheists.
In Romania the orthodox believers are getting worse by the day with incredibly extremist views clearly getting the upper hand over the moderate ones.

No offence but that's a mean lie. You're an atheist with a poor religious knowledge and what you've said above is the result of indoctriantion with the same old cliches. You're criticising the orthodox church from the position of a modern man. In reality you're just a recent man if you know what I mean.

[Mark]

Well I'm worried about lots of things. God isn't really one of them :p

[MrJan]

The super religious can't change their minds because of a bus ad. I think I've said it above.

Don't know about other cults but the average orthodox christians have no reasons to worry. They are free to enjoy life but have to respect a few rules that are common sense even for the atheists: don't kill, don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal. For breaking some of these rules the society punishes you more than God by sentence to jail or death. :laugh:


I though that the whole concept of Hell was dreamt up (or exists if you want) to keep people worrying about whether they are doing things right in life.

I accept that the advert won't change people's opinion but then neither will the huge number of religious signs which attempt the same thing. TBH I think that the whole thing was probably run because us atheists are getting pretty tired of having religion forced on us when we really couldn' give a **** :D

I must say that my favourite line of the article is when they point out that old matey is probably only talking about HIS God and no all the others from other religions :D :D

[ioan]

No offence but that's a mean lie. You're an atheist with a poor religious knowledge and what you've said above is the result of indoctriantion with the same old cliches. You're criticising the orthodox church from the position of a modern man. In reality you're just a recent man if you know what I mean.

That is no lie, the orthodox church is a heavy handed, inflexible, middle age minded church.

Tell me who threw stones towards people during the parade of the homosexual militants during the last years?! :rolleyes:
That's how orthodoxy is expressing itself, you call that moderate?!

PS: And there is the problem about them imposing religion in the schools in order to start indoctrinating people as early as possible. Thanks but no thanks.

[leopard]

I and mates came to conclusion not to talk anything dirty or a bit porn when having examination tomorrow morning, it may cause bad result. We believe that it can make the things down by a calamity.

Where was the campaign held in? It can cause economic recovery from crisis takes times longer than its neighbor countries.

[BDunnell]

I am all in favour of these adverts. It's about time there was a bit of balance. And I'm also in favour of not teaching religion in schools, except perhaps in the historical sense so that at least pupils know something about different religions. It is a waste of perfectly good school time otherwise.

[gadjo_dilo]

That is no lie, the orthodox church is a heavy handed, inflexible, middle age minded church.

Tell me who threw stones towards people during the parade of the homosexual militants during the last years?! :rolleyes:
That's how orthodoxy is expressing itself, you call that moderate?!

PS: And there is the problem about them imposing religion in the schools in order to start indoctrinating people as early as possible. Thanks but no thanks.

Stop being so childish. There were a few extremists who threw stones invoking God. It wasn't an action of the church.
Studying religion in schools is optional and it doesn't do any harm. It's not like an hour of praying. It's about getting general knowledge. You may learn ( if you want to attend the classes ) the basics of a religion but you're not forced to follow it.


Thanks but no thanks.

It's your option, nobody says you're right or wrong in your choice. If a gay parade may have an impact on your reasons to do/don't believe, it's OK with me. Personally my opinion on religion role is nfluenced by life/works of Valeriu Gafencu, N. Steinhardt, Mircea Eliade and I.P, Culianu. It's ok again, cultural differences work. :laugh:

[BDunnell]

Studying religion in schools is optional and it doesn't do any harm. It's not like an hour of praying. It's about getting general knowledge. You may learn ( if you want to attend the classes ) the basics of a religion but you're not forced to follow it.

In the UK, at least when I was at school 14 years ago, it was not optional. It was also laid down in law that every school hold a 'daily act of collective worship'.

[Dave B]

I am all in favour of these adverts. It's about time there was a bit of balance. And I'm also in favour of not teaching religion in schools, except perhaps in the historical sense so that at least pupils know something about different religions. It is a waste of perfectly good school time otherwise.

I'm in favour of schools teaching about all types of religion (including none at all) so the kids can make up their own minds, and have a wider understanding of the world.

However this should be backed up with proper teaching of science including evolution so that they have all the facts to balance out the speculative nature of religion.

Religion isn't going away anytime soon, and you only have to look to the middle east to see the effect it can have on the world, so I believe it's vital that everybody has a broad understanding of the subject.

What I would never ever want is for kids to be taught in the way I was at junior school, where I was told in no uncertain terms that God existed, that "He" created the universe, that I'd go to heaven if I was good, and that if I didn't believe then I'd be damned to eternity in hell. Oh and by the way, all other religions are wrong. Not different: just plain wrong. :rolleyes: That's just mental.

[gadjo_dilo]

I'm in favour of schools teaching about all types of religion (including none at all) so the kids can make up their own minds, and have a wider understanding of the world.

I can't understand the part with teaching " none of all " but it may happen after a dialogue with Ioan.

I see that the idea of choosing a religion is very popular in the western world. In my opinion the religious feeling is deeper, more complicated and is particular to a certain colectivity/nation.

It's hard for me to imagine a class of kids with a zero religious feeling being scientifically taught about different religions and then he making his mind " X suits me better " just as a pink dress looks better on me than a grey one.
And I just imagine a class of 20 kids embracing 15 different kinds of religions.

[Daniel]

I'm in favour of schools teaching about all types of religion (including none at all) so the kids can make up their own minds, and have a wider understanding of the world.

[Daily Mail mode] There's no way I want my kids taught about the ways of those extremist terrorist ragheads types!!!!!![/Daily Mail mode]

[Daniel]

I can't understand the part with teaching " none of all " but it may happen after a dialogue with Ioan.

I see that the idea of choosing a religion is very popular in the western world. In my opinion the religious feeling is deeper, more complicated and is particular to a certain colectivity/nation.

It's hard for me to imagine a class of kids with a zero religious feeling being scientifically taught about different religions and then he making his mind " X suits me better " just as a pink dress looks better on me than a grey one.
And I just imagine a class of 20 kids embracing 15 different kinds of religions.

What Dave is talking about is the fact that here in the UK public schools you are taught about the bible with some sidebits on other religions. What Dave is saying is why should Christianity be the only religion that is "taught" and not the others? :confused:

The thing about teaching kids is that they accept what they are taught as fact up to a certain age. My other half is a teacher and has to teach religion in school and I've seen the kids learning and when they are taught something they accept it as fact. Why should Christianity get the privelige here when others don't?

[BDunnell]

What I would never ever want is for kids to be taught in the way I was at junior school, where I was told in no uncertain terms that God existed, that "He" created the universe, that I'd go to heaven if I was good, and that if I didn't believe then I'd be damned to eternity in hell. Oh and by the way, all other religions are wrong. Not different: just plain wrong. :rolleyes: That's just mental.

It certainly was taught in a way that was intended to indoctrinate pupils into the Christian faith, there's no doubt about that, hence the requirement for the daily act of worship (which, I believe, stated that it should be Christian worship).

[gadjo_dilo]

What Dave is talking about is the fact that here in the UK public schools you are taught about the bible with some sidebits on other religions. What Dave is saying is why should Christianity be the only religion that is "taught" and not the others? :confused:

The thing about teaching kids is that they accept what they are taught as fact up to a certain age. My other half is a teacher and has to teach religion in school and I've seen the kids learning and when they are taught something they accept it as fact. Why should Christianity get the privelige here when others don't?
In schools kids are also familiarized with literary texts for their age. Some facts in poems and stories may be fantastic but kids don't believe them. Communists taught kids a lot of crap but nobody believed that. Etc.etc.
I don't know where you live but I suppose it's a christian majority there. The conscience of your nation is probably based on christian values. The way of life is influenced by that religion. Tradition is very important and not only when we speak about religion. Why don't I wear arabic clothes during hot summer days although it's more comfortable to wear those white sheets? Why in my country lamb meat is not popular?

P.S. Just imagine a british nation that don't drink because its religion forbid it. :laugh:

[BDunnell]

I can't understand the part with teaching " none of all " but it may happen after a dialogue with Ioan.

Why do you feel so threatened by the notion of children being taught the theories behind agnosticism and atheism? Surely religious teaching should be balanced, and thus take in discussion of those forms of belief?

[gadjo_dilo]

Why do you feel so threatened by the notion of children being taught the theories behind agnosticism and atheism? Surely religious teaching should be balanced, and thus take in discussion of those forms of belief?
I'm not threatened at all, I'm just curious. I undestand the idea of studying different religions and I think it's great not for a future potential believer but for the level of general knowledge.
But as Dave put it I understand that at a religion class we can study the absence of religion and it sounds odd.

Oh, sweet memories of the lost hours of dialectic materialism, scientific socialism, etc...... :laugh:
See? For me it was just the opposite, I had to study all that crap but I don't mind. I attended a lot of useless classes in my school/university days.

[jim mcglinchey]

Cant stand those people who justify their own aetheism / agnosticism by dwelling on the very worst behaviour by the extremists in every religion who in fact act totally antithetically to the real teachings of their religion.
As Ive said before, if you stop and actually listen to your reigious teaching, of whatever faith, it'll be the best moral guidance that anyone can get.

[BDunnell]

Cant stand those people who justify their own aetheism / agnosticism by dwelling on the very worst behaviour by the extremists in every religion who in fact act totally antithetically to the real teachings of their religion.
As Ive said before, if you stop and actually listen to your reigious teaching, of whatever faith, it'll be the best moral guidance that anyone can get.

How can 'best' ever be defined in this context? I find the idea that my own moral code as an atheist is somehow inferior to those of religious people a bit difficult to take.

[Mark]

I think it's partly because 'believers' can't understand that people can be intrinsically good. They believe that all people are bad and that it is only the threat of punishment from a supreme being that keeps them on the straight and narrow.

[gloomyDAY]

I've never been able to find God, but I did manage to get a picture with the devil...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/killincommies/SN150370.jpg

Sorry about the hair. That damn sombrero was giving me a bit of trouble.

[Daniel]

I've never been able to find God, but I did manage to get a picture with the devil...

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c123/killincommies/SN150370.jpg

Sorry about the hair. That damn sombrero was giving me a bit of trouble.
Where's your moustache? I refused to believe your Mexican heritage until I see a bushy moustache :p

[gloomyDAY]

Where's your moustache? I refused to believe your Mexican heritage until I see a bushy moustache :p It was in my pocket.

They are free to enjoy life but have to respect a few rules that are common sense even for the atheists: don't kill, don't cheat, don't lie, don't steal.

What? There are rules against those things?

Bugger.

Those are my favourite pastimes.

[christophulus]

I'm in favour of schools teaching about all types of religion (including none at all) so the kids can make up their own minds, and have a wider understanding of the world.

However this should be backed up with proper teaching of science including evolution so that they have all the facts to balance out the speculative nature of religion.

Religion isn't going away anytime soon, and you only have to look to the middle east to see the effect it can have on the world, so I believe it's vital that everybody has a broad understanding of the subject.

What I would never ever want is for kids to be taught in the way I was at junior school, where I was told in no uncertain terms that God existed, that "He" created the universe, that I'd go to heaven if I was good, and that if I didn't believe then I'd be damned to eternity in hell. Oh and by the way, all other religions are wrong. Not different: just plain wrong. :rolleyes: That's just mental.

Absolutely, when I was at school a few years back it was called Religious Studies, which on the surface seemed a much more PC version of R.E. Unfortunately, I was "taught" for the full five years by a Christian, who was quite clear in his beliefs, thought that we should believe the same thing, and spent very little time talking about any other religions than Christianity and why the other religions were wrong. Ironically, this led me and the rest of the class to spend every lesson arguing the point that he was wrong, which I guess backfired on him quite a bit :p :

The same was true at primary school, we weren't officially a faith school but hymns and prayers were compulsory, and I remember that we were always told that god existed, no arguments. It was only about the age of 8 or 9 that I started to doubt this, and the more I think about it the more it irritates me that they're allowed to get away with teaching this skewed version of events.

Back on the topic of the bus campaign, it's a brilliant idea, we have a couple in Liverpool. It's nice to show that atheists/agnostics aren't alone, so there's no need to stay quiet about your views. At university I'm part of the Atheist Society, which was set up mainly to make the point that Atheists/Agnostics/Humanists are here, and to show it's an acceptable lifestyle to have. The response from the faith societies has been.. frosty to say the least.

[markabilly]

Well, if there is no god, then there is no heaven and this is it??? This is all there is?

Gee, how depressing....not much to look forward to....

[donKey jote]

Can one not look forward to Christmas, even though Santa (family forum :p : ) ?
Or admire the beauty of a garden, without believing that little people live under the toadstools ?

I can. I don't believe in God or gods, I don't believe in the need for them, and I certainly don't believe in using them as excuses for evildoing, let alone that they wrote books or had babies, human or divine. I do believe in each to his own (including separation of state and church).

I saw a BBC documentary recently featuring Desmond Tutu and the power of faith. It was powerful stuff and almost had me converted to believing religion is intrinsically good, until I thought about it and realised there wasn't anything to stop a great man achieving what Tutu has [b]without having to be a Christian or believing in a god.

I find this "awareness campaign" quite amusing :laugh:
Only in Britain :laugh:
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[Drew]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

He won't drive it because it has an athiest message on it! Oh well, get a Pole in!

[BDunnell]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

He won't drive it because it has an athiest message on it! Oh well, get a Pole in!

Or a member of some other minority he presumably dislikes...

Which reminds me of my favourite Private Eye parody ever, of a newspaper column by Norman Tebbit which started: 'Britain in 1999. Not a pretty sight. Fully paid-up lesbians permitted to drive our historic double-decker buses.'

[Daniel]

Or a member of some other minority he presumably dislikes...

Which reminds me of my favourite Private Eye parody ever, of a newspaper column by Norman Tebbit which started: 'Britain in 1999. Not a pretty sight. Fully paid-up lesbians permitted to drive our historic double-decker buses.'

:rotflmao: Private Eye is great :D

[christophulus]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/7832647.stm

He won't drive it because it has an athiest message on it! Oh well, get a Pole in!

I did wonder how long it would take for a driver to complain.. shame

[fandango]

We have buses with the same message (though obviously not in English) here in Barcelona. I'm amazed how upset the christians get about stuff like this. One thing, though: this is a humanist message, isn't it, rather than atheist? There is a difference.

My own personal theory is that logically there must be a god or something, even though I myself don't believe in the existence of such a being. Figure that out....

[Easy Drifter]

There is a group trying to raise the funds to put the ads on Toronto busses. Toronto may be the most cosmopolitan city in the world as far as population goes but the ruling powers are mostly old whites. One well known Toronto columnist refers to Toronto Council as 'Socialist Silly Hall'. I expect they will have a tough time getting approval.
I would love to see them try in the City of Orillia. There are more Churches than there are Timmys (Tim Hortons Donuts) and you can navigate in Orillia by line of sight from one Timmys to the next one.
There are 2 within a couple of hundred yards of each other close to OPP General Headquarters. There is also one around the corner from the local OPP station and next door to the Orillia newspaper.

[donKey jote]

We have buses with the same message (though obviously not in English) here in Barcelona. I'm amazed how upset the christians get about stuff like this. One thing, though: this is a humanist message, isn't it, rather than atheist? There is a difference.


cool, I actually said "only in Britain" previously... I never thought it would catch on south of the Pyrenees (to avoid saying Spain ;) :p )
Not surprised that Barcelona was the first :up: ... in Madrid, Espe and the COPPE are probably already organising mass manifestations to protest about Zapatero attacking the Church :laugh:

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[donKey jote]

Ha...
in Madrid, the "Centro Cristiano de Reunión" is now running a bus with the slogan "God exists. Enjoy life with Christ" :rolleyes: spanish link (http://www.larazon.es/noticia/el-autobus-ateo-arranca-hoy-en-barcelona)

[Drew]

Haha I like the fact that in the spanish article it mentions that all the money for the "atheist bus" is from private donors and not from the government :laugh:

Ha...
in Madrid, the "Centro Cristiano de Reunión" is now running a bus with the slogan "God exists. Enjoy life with Christ" :rolleyes: spanish link (http://www.larazon.es/noticia/el-autobus-ateo-arranca-hoy-en-barcelona)

I'd have thought a good old-fashioned miracle would be a more effective way for an omni-present diety to advertise his existence with.

Solving world hunger or just a simple parting of the waves would do it.

Seeing a sign on a bus that says 'God Exists' isn't really the level of proof I need to accept that he does.

[Donney]

Good one tamburello I fully support your theory.

[BDunnell]

I'd have thought a good old-fashioned miracle would be a more effective way for an omni-present diety to advertise his existence with.

Solving world hunger or just a simple parting of the waves would do it.

Seeing a sign on a bus that says 'God Exists' isn't really the level of proof I need to accept that he does.

Excellent.

[jim mcglinchey]

I'd have thought a good old-fashioned miracle would be a more effective way for an omni-present diety to advertise his existence with.

Solving world hunger or just a simple parting of the waves would do it.

Seeing a sign on a bus that says 'God Exists' isn't really the level of proof I need to accept that he does.

sure you wouldnt know a miracle if it bit you on the ass

[Drew]

[quote="tamburello"]I'd have thought a good old-fashioned miracle would be a more effective way for an omni-present diety to advertise his existence with.

Solving world hunger or just a simple parting of the waves would do it.

Seeing a sign on a bus that says 'God Exists' isn't really the level of proof I need to accept that he does.[/gQUOnTE]

I know what you mean, something like cash machines giving you twice as much? :D

[Daniel]

Excellent.

http://www.jungfreudlich.de/myfiles/Excellent.jpg

[MrJan]

I know what you mean, something like cash machines giving you twice as much? :D

If Exeter City get promoted again this year then I may have to question my beliefs ;) :D

sure you wouldnt know a miracle if it bit you on the ass

You could be right....

I was in the British Museum the other week and saw something I thought was quite miraculous.....

A Dinosaur.

But it couldn't be a miracle that something like that existed, because there's no mention of them in the Bible.

[Daniel]

You could be right....

I was in the British Museum the other week and saw something I thought was quite miraculous.....

A Dinosaur.

But it couldn't be a miracle that something like that existed, because there's no mention of them in the Bible.

God made it and anything else that the bible doesn't mention :p

[BDunnell]

You could be right....

I was in the British Museum the other week and saw something I thought was quite miraculous.....

A Dinosaur.

But it couldn't be a miracle that something like that existed, because there's no mention of them in the Bible.

Which must mean that the Spitfire I saw in the Imperial War Museum last week was a secular figment of my imagination.

[Mark in Oshawa]

I just know Atheists annoy the hell out of me as much as the born-again Bible thumpers do. A pox on both their houses really.

Christianity should be about believing in god on your terms and the teachings of Jesus. The last I looked, it didn't involve being a pain in the @ss and knocking on peoples heads to convert them and it did involve being human and having a sense of humour.

Atheists? Well....I hope for their sake they are right...because if they croak and St. Peter's gates are in front of them...man there will be some kind of panic going on wont there?

[Mark in Oshawa]

You could be right....

I was in the British Museum the other week and saw something I thought was quite miraculous.....

A Dinosaur.

But it couldn't be a miracle that something like that existed, because there's no mention of them in the Bible.


Sssh.....dont wreck a good story now.....

[donKey jote]

Atheists? Well....I hope for their sake they are right...because if they croak and St. Peter's gates are in front of them...man there will be some kind of panic going on wont there?

yep, and the billions of non-Christians will be panicking too :dozey:

"There are no St. Peter's gates apart from your own conscience. Now quit being scared of hairy monsters under your bed and enjoy your life." :laugh:

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[MrJan]

Atheists? Well....I hope for their sake they are right...because if they croak and St. Peter's gates are in front of them...man there will be some kind of panic going on wont there?

That's the beautiful thing, it's all about forgiveness. The basic grounding for religion is to be nice to people, how can Gods right hand man send people to hell for eternity if he's supposed to be being nice :D :D