Jerez Testing

[andreag]

Here are today's results (according to Pitpass):

http://www.profacil.net/McLaren/Jerez0602.gif

Different track, different layout and eleven cars within the same second.

Of course it was raining, in other case they should be 4 seconds faster. It's a pity in a year were testing has been limited so much, most it's gonna be on wet conditions, for later facing a mostly dry championship.

[chap]

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Of course it was raining,

sorry but no ... it was dry and sunny

From Mcca web site:

"Date: Tuesday 6th February 2007
Drivers: Lewis Hamilton and Pedro de la Rosa
Location: Circuito de Jerez, Jerez de la Frontera, Spain
Track Length: 4.423km
Weather: Clear sunshine with track temperatures as high as 19.6° Celsius and ambient temperatures reaching 25.8° Celsius
Track temperature:
Air temperature:
Laps run today: 224
Kilometres covered today: Lewis – 495km approx / Pedro – 495km approx.
Best lap time today: Lewis – 1m20.222 at 16:18 / Pedro – 1m19.998 at 11.56
Programme: Vodafone McLaren Mercedes moved its intensive pre-season testing programme for the MP4-22 to Jerez, Spain this week, with Lewis Hamilton and Pedro de la Rosa kicking off the three day programme. Both drivers concentrated on long runs in the morning, with both MP4-22's completing a full race distance over three separate stints. The focus for the afternoon was further set-up evaluation alongside work on the on-going aerodynamic and engine development programmes.
Drivers for tomorrow: Fernando Alonso and Lewis
Duration of test: Three days (Tuesday 6th - Thursday 8th February) "

[andreag]

sorry but no ... it was dry and sunny

You're right, I've just watched on TV.

So, why so slow times? Last year times were over 4 seconds faster.

[pino]

Why Trulli didn't take part in ? :s

[DazzlaF1]

Fantastic to see Williams do so well, just 4 hundreths slower than a McLaren, very impressive.

[Mikeall]

The tyres are much harder this year and faster times can be set when its colder.

[RJL25]

times seem to be a bit all over the place.. me thinks different teams are still playing silly buggers

[Sleeper]

Tmes are slower this year with because of the more conservative tyres.

That McLaren really seems to be running like a metronome this year. Have they pulled off the impossible and made a reliable car?

[andreag]

Have they pulled off the impossible and made a reliable car?
Maybe it's a matter of which hands are on the wheel.

[wmcot]

The times seem to be quite consistent with just over 2 seconds separating everyone. I would suspect the tires to be the main cause in the slow times, but we can't totally discount the rev-limited engines either.

[RJL25]

Don't expect fireworks from redbull at this test either. An aussie mag today has reported that adrien newey isn't expecting the definitive aero package to be on the car untill bahrain, and even then the new package is likely to miss the first couple of days of the 10 day test.

Mark webber also confirmed my suspisions in the same mag that they where just doing shakedown work at the last test, hence the slow times. Although i guess he would say that... meh i dunno but im gonna reserve judgement untill we see the final specification of the car in bahrain

[Ari]

Don't expect fireworks from redbull at this test either. An aussie mag today has reported that adrien newey isn't expecting the definitive aero package to be on the car untill bahrain, and even then the new package is likely to miss the first couple of days of the 10 day test.

Mark webber also confirmed my suspisions in the same mag that they where just doing shakedown work at the last test, hence the slow times. Although i guess he would say that... meh i dunno but im gonna reserve judgement untill we see the final specification of the car in bahrain

As in the bahrain GP??? :(

Bloody slackers! I wanna see Webber go well in Australia.

[Ari]

times seem to be a bit all over the place.. me thinks different teams are still playing silly buggers

Yep!

Renault at the back of the field? I dont think so!!

[RJL25]

As in the bahrain GP??? :(

Bloody slackers! I wanna see Webber go well in Australia.

no no, the 10 day bahrain pre season test scheduled for later this month. Dont worry it'll all be sorted well before the 1st GP of the season

[Ari]

no no, the 10 day bahrain pre season test scheduled for later this month. Dont worry it'll all be sorted well before the 1st GP of the season

haha thank God!

I had a quick look and didnt think they were testing at bahrain....

*gets heartbeat back* ;)

[Mickey T]

no no, the 10 day bahrain pre season test scheduled for later this month. Dont worry it'll all be sorted well before the 1st GP of the season

williams aren't going to bahrain, by the way. they can't afford it.

[VresiBerba]

McLaren keeps their pace and are currently quickest at lunch time.

1 Lewis Hamilton McLaren MP4-22 1:19.952 21
2 Robert Kubica BMW Sauber F1.07 1:20.159 + 0.207 16
3 Nico Rosberg Williams FW29 1:20.495 + 0.543 25

[Simmi]

Am I right in thinking Alonso has gone off this morning?

[F1MAN2007]

Am I right in thinking Alonso has gone off this morning?


Maybe he is still sleeping?!!

[andreag]

Second day results (as published by Pitpass):

http://www.profacil.net/McLaren/Jerez0702.gif

Still closer than yesterday, all drivers but Andretti within 1.1 secs. First time Ferrari finish faster than McLaren.

[Tazio]

1. F. Massa - Ferrari F2007 - 1'19"746 (+0"000) - 46 laps
2. L. Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes MP4/22 - 1'19"821 (+0"075) - 109 laps
3. R. Kubica - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1'19"839 (+0"093) - 96 laps
4. F. Alonso - McLaren Mercedes MP4/22 - 1'20"046 (+0"300) - 101 laps
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari F2007 - 1'20"068 (+0"322) - 46 laps
6. N.
Piquet - Renault R27 - 1'20"070 (+0"324) - 76 laps
7. A. Wurz - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1'20"132 (+0"386) - 78 laps
8. N. Rosberg - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1'20"143 (+0"397) - 66 laps
9. R. Schumacher - Toyota TF107 - 1'20"604 (+0"858) - 59 laps
10. M. Webber - Red Bull Renault RB3 -1'20"629 (+0"883) - 36 laps
11. D. Coulthard - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1'20"702 (+0"956) - 70 laps
12. N. Heidfeld - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1'20"710 (+0"964) - 80 laps
13. J. Button - Honda RA107 - 1'20"751 (+1"005) - 100 laps
14. R. Zonta - Renault R27 - 1'20"767 (+1"021) - 86 laps
15. J. Trulli - Toyota TF107 - 1'20"898 (+1"152) - 80 laps
16. M. Andretti - Honda RA106 - 1'22"151 (+2"405) - 74 laps

[Tazio]

1. F. Massa - Ferrari F2007 - 1'19"746 (+0"000) - 46 laps
2. L. Hamilton - McLaren Mercedes MP4/22 - 1'19"821 (+0"075) - 109 laps
3. R. Kubica - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1'19"839 (+0"093) - 96 laps
4. F. Alonso - McLaren Mercedes MP4/22 - 1'20"046 (+0"300) - 101 laps
5. K. Raikkonen - Ferrari F2007 - 1'20"068 (+0"322) - 46 laps
6. N.
Piquet - Renault R27 - 1'20"070 (+0"324) - 76 laps
7. A. Wurz - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1'20"132 (+0"386) - 78 laps
8. N. Rosberg - Williams Toyota FW29 - 1'20"143 (+0"397) - 66 laps
9. R. Schumacher - Toyota TF107 - 1'20"604 (+0"858) - 59 laps
10. M. Webber - Red Bull Renault RB3 -1'20"629 (+0"883) - 36 laps
11. D. Coulthard - Red Bull Renault RB3 - 1'20"702 (+0"956) - 70 laps
12. N. Heidfeld - BMW Sauber F1.07 - 1'20"710 (+0"964) - 80 laps
13. J. Button - Honda RA107 - 1'20"751 (+1"005) - 100 laps
14. R. Zonta - Renault R27 - 1'20"767 (+1"021) - 86 laps
15. J. Trulli - Toyota TF107 - 1'20"898 (+1"152) - 80 laps
16. M. Andretti - Honda RA106 - 1'22"151 (+2"405) - 74 laps

Iguess I jumped the gun !
Final test times Acording to ITV

1. MASSA Ferrari 1m19.647s

2. KUBICA BMW 1m19.794s

3. HAMILTON McLaren 1m19.810s

4. RAIKKONEN Ferrari 1m20.007s

5. ALONSO McLaren 1m20.040s

6. PIQUET Renault 1m20.070s

7. WURZ Williams 1m20.132s

8. ROSBERG Williams 1m20.143s

9. R SCHUMACHER Toyota 1m20.600s

10. WEBBER Red Bull 1m20.629s

11. HEIDFELD BMW 1m20.647s

12. COULTHARD Red Bull 1m20.702s

13. BUTTON Honda 1m20.747s

14. ZONTA Renault 1m20.767s

15. TRULLI Toyota 1m20.888s
16. ANDRETTI Honda 1m22.147s

[chap]

from Circuito de Jerez press release ... maybe the good ones

TIEMPOS DE HOY:
1.-Felipe Massa (Ferrari) 1.19.746 (46v)
2.-L. Hamilton (Mclaren) 1.19.821 (109v)
3.-R. Kubica (BMW) 1.19.839 (96v)
4.-F. Alonso (Mclaren) 1.20.046 (101v)
5.-K.Raikkonen (Ferrari) 1.20.068 (46v)
6.-N. Piquet (Renault) 1.20.070 (76v)
7.-A. Wurz (Williams) 1.20.132 (78v)
8.-N. Rosberg (Williams) 1.20.143 (66v)
9.-R. Schumacher (Toyota) 1.20.604 (59v)
10.-M. Webber (Red Bull) 1.20.629 (36v)
11.-D. Coulthard (Red Bull) 1.20.702 (70v)
12.-N.Heidfeld (BMW) 1.20.710 (80v)
13.-J. Button (Honda) 1.20.751 (100v)
14.-R. Zonta (Renault)1.20.767 (86v)
15.-J. Trulli (Toyota) 1.20.898 (80v)
16.-M. Andretti (Honda) 1.22.151 (74v)

[futuretiger9]

The times are very close, but one gets the impression that McLaren have achieved their times with much greater ease and consistency than most of the others. They have also racked up plenty of mileage.

Williams have been a pleasant surprise so far. The chassis/engine combination looks to be OK.

McLaren and Ferrari seem to be the pace-setters. There is though, the prospect of real competition this year.

[jens]

I have also noticed that the lap-times are extremly close - it's usual to see like 12 drivers within one second. I haven't checked, but has the same tendency been usual in previous years at winter tests as well? Or if not, then how possible is it that we are going to see the closest (in terms of lap times, not points!) championship of all times? Has the new engine rule really been the tool to close the gaps? If all the teams are going to be within 2 seconds (and why not, if Spyker has a decent car and SA/STR will use their #1 team chassises), it will be the record of all times. In the past all the teams have been at best within 3 seconds on a single lap.

[ioan]

I have also noticed that the lap-times are extremly close - it's usual to see like 12 drivers within one second. I haven't checked, but has the same tendency been usual in previous years at winter tests as well?

It's just that MS retired, so he can't beat them all by 1 second and make that Ferrari look way faster than it is! ;)

[RJL25]

from memory pre-season testing times are generally closer then they end up being at the actual races. The only exception is that sometimes teams will put in a bolter lap to make them look rediculously fast, and others will play silly buggers and make everyone think they are off the pace when they are actually not.

Generally teams which do bolter laps actually turn out to be dissapointingly slow at the first GP, while teams who go slow can SOMETIMES be very fast at the first GP. But you have to remember that everyone is out there doing their own thing. On one day a certain team may be playing with race distance setups, while a different teams is working on qualifying and new tyre pace, therefore their times are far apart even if in reality they are closely matched

[raikk]

Hamilton is doing great and consistant times..I edge closer and closer to him each day! Fantastic young driver I'm really glad Mclaren choose to make hiom the 2nd driver...

[wmcot]

Times are very close, indeed, but times don't win races. Driver talent and experience and car reliability will determine the race winner rather than who is 0.5 seconds faster or slower in testing.

[leopard]

good job Massa, it wasn't too bad the first year driving ferrari, and i'd be more than happy if Massa perform better this year.

[ArrowsFA1]

7.-A. Wurz (Williams) 1.20.132 (78v)
8.-N. Rosberg (Williams) 1.20.143 (66v)
Just something that struck me seeing this is how difficult it is to judge anything from winter testing.

The two drivers being that close in time could mean:
1) the car is quick and consistent for both drivers - good :cool:
2) the drivers were running different programmes but the changes make little difference to lap speed - bad :dozey:

:crazy:

[tinchote]

Just something that struck me seeing this is how difficult it is to judge anything from winter testing.

The two drivers being that close in time could mean:
1) the car is quick and consistent for both drivers - good :cool:
2) the drivers were running different programmes but the changes make little difference to lap speed - bad :dozey:

:crazy:


I guess there's not enough information to reduce to those two possibilities. The fact that two cars/drivers had almost the same best lap over a race distance tells you very very little about how things went. Over the whole distance the difference between both could be a minute or even more, and we wouldn't know from just looking at the best laps.

I really struggle to see why testing is not reported in a more comprehensive way (legth of stints, average lap time, etc., etc.) :s

[ArrowsFA1]

I really struggle to see why testing is not reported in a more comprehensive way (legth of stints, average lap time, etc., etc.) :s
:up:

Winter testing could be a great opportunity for F1 to open itself up to the public more, but then I guess the teams are so secretive about everything that it'll never happen :dozey:

[samuratt]

:up:

Winter testing could be a great opportunity for F1 to open itself up to the public more, but then I guess the teams are so secretive about everything that it'll never happen :dozey:

I agree with both of you!!! :up:

On the spanish media they usually provide that information, but only about Alonso. They go to the testing track and can see how manny laps is Fernando doing, and if the fastest time is set at the begining, or at the end, of a long, or short, stint.

If we could have that information about everydriver, and coming from the team, instead of a biased journalist, could be very interesting for us, and useful to draw some conclusiona from winter testing.

[chap]

... how manny laps is Fernando doing, and if the fastest time is set at the begining, or at the end, of a long, or short, stint.

If we could have that information about everydriver, ...


Hey folk ... we can :)

simply go to http://www.crono-jerez.com ;)

[tinchote]

:up:

Winter testing could be a great opportunity for F1 to open itself up to the public more, but then I guess the teams are so secretive about everything that it'll never happen :dozey:

But it's not only about the teams! The regular reporter writes about a test session as if it was a qualifying session: "driver X went back to the track, but was unable to beat Y's previous time". They make a fool of themselves, and they make no service to anybody :mark:

[ioan]

But it's not only about the teams! The regular reporter writes about a test session as if it was a qualifying session: "driver X went back to the track, but was unable to beat Y's previous time". They make a fool of themselves, and they make no service to anybody :mark:

It shows how lousy F1 reporters are, generally.

[rlenis]

Tiempos de la mañana from TELECINCO SPAIN

1. Alex Wurz (AUT/Williams) 1:30.051

2. Timo Glock (GER/BMW) 1:30.213

3. Nick Heidfeld (GER/BMW) 1:30.628

4. Kimi Raikkonen (FIN/Ferrari) 1:30.628

5. Felipe Massa (BRA/Ferrari) 1:30.746

6. Jarno Trulli (ITA/Toyota) 1:30.981

7. Franck Motagny (FRA/Toyota) 1:31.027

8. David Coulthard (GBR/Red Bull) 1:31.166

9. Pedro de la Rosa (ESP/Mclaren) 1:31.479

10. Fernando Alonso (ESP/Mclaren) 1:31.573

http://f1.informativos.telecinco.es/f1_637.htm

[andreag]

If test times say almost nothing, partial test times (morning session times) say even less.

How can anyone compare (this is just an exaple) Kimi's times, after driving 45 laps, with Alonso's ones, after driving only 9 laps.

And speaking of Telecinco, they showed today an interview to Fernando, where he said things like:

"Our car is fast, but is still not ready to win, and everyday we've less time".

"What I like the best from my car is its livery".

"Up till now, Ferrari is the reference to beat".

"Renault will start very well, but will be worst later, as always".

"Hondas don't look so strong as the say".

"BMW is showing to be the great surprise".

[samuratt]

As always very nice comments from Fernando...

When is this guy going to learn how to shut up!!!! :D

[Big Ben]

It's just that MS retired, so he can't beat them all by 1 second and make that Ferrari look way faster than it is! ;)

hilarious... l

et bygones be bygones!

[ioan]

I knew someone will bite it! :p :

[Big Ben]

I knew someone will bite it! :p :

me too