S2000 Database

[Sulland]

The current status of cars produced/sold in the S2000 Database is:

Abarth 37
Fiesta 2
207 54
MG 4
Corsa 2
Satria 2
Fabia 3
Corolla 9
Auris 4
Polo 10

Total 127

Not bad !!

The database is a very good initiative - keep up the good work, and we understand that it is sone using spare time - which makes it even more impressive !!

We should have the same for WRC...

[PLuto]

Skoda has four Fabias, but we dont have any details about fourth car (except green color).

[SAYMON]

We should have the same for WRC...

http://wrcnotes.ru/ ;)

I thought that "Xsara Fan" worked on history of 206 cars. And I`m going to publish the history of Octavia WRC cars.

[Sulland]

The S2000 site is very good, but as with anything else it can become better.

Do you have ideas on what you would like to see ?
http://www.s2000rally.com/index.php

I have mailed them with info that I would like to have production year as one of the searchables in the search area.
A while ago I said I wanted the results to include not only total result, but also result in class. Not fare to compare with A8 !

[MG Rally]

There are also FIVE MGs, but I don't have any details of the 5th car yet as it has not been rallied. In all honesty, I cannot see anymore being built either.

Congratulations to all involved with http://www.s2000rally.com for compiling a very useful database of cars. I agree about class results Sulland, and also think that stating the co-driver might also be useful.

Keep up the good work.

[Sulland]

Then the team have made cars searchable by prod year !!

I am still missing results by class (N4) if they compete elsewhere than in IRC, since for example Sandell is registered with 12th from Rally Norway, but won the class.
(and his car must be a 08 model, since it was a 00 car then !) ;-)

The results are also hard to track, since they are not in the news section, and the latest added result is not a link that give you any info. I guess the only way you can find the results is by knowing what cars competed in each rally, and most of us dont know that.

This database is turning into a very good tool, and with a couple of more updates it will be perfect !!

Thanks to the team that are using their spare time for the rest of us petrolheads !!!

[306 Cosworth]

Wow 54 207 S2000s, that's incredible!

Out of 127 S2000s, I have seen 6!

3x MG
1x 207
1x Corsa
1x Punto

We need more S2000s in the UK!!!

[PLuto]

Wow 54 207 S2000s, that's incredible!

Out of 127 S2000s, I have seen 6!

3x MG
1x 207
1x Corsa
1x Punto

We need more S2000s in the UK!!!

Or you must visit any rally out of UK :)

[eppel]

Sixty 207 Super 2000s have been sold to date according to Peugeot Sport!

[J4MIE]

I am in the middle of creating a site that will track rally cars history, not just S2000s, watch this space! ;) Need more time to finish it though and need to sort out the logic of it, finding it difficult to figure out how to track cars which change registration numbers. Probably simple but my brain is all mush at the moment :crazy:

[Barreis]

Sixty 207 Super 2000s have been sold to date according to Peugeot Sport!

So where they can make more money: WRC/S2000?
With live Eurosport coverage great results..

[RS]

So where they can make more money: WRC/S2000?
With live Eurosport coverage great results..

Good point. I don't know whether the factories are operating with a profit margin on sales of S2000 cars or they are simply selling them in order to increase promotion of the brand, but if they are operating at a profit then it could perhaps go a long way to funding the factory teams IRC campaigns. Nice business model :)

[Sulland]

Then the team have made cars searchable by prod year !!

I am still missing results by class (N4) if they compete elsewhere than in IRC, since for example Sandell is registered with 12th from Rally Norway, but won the class.
(and his car must be a 08 model, since it was a 00 car then !) ;-)

The results are also hard to track, since they are not in the news section, and the latest added result is not a link that give you any info. I guess the only way you can find the results is by knowing what cars competed in each rally, and most of us dont know that.

This database is turning into a very good tool, and with a couple of more updates it will be perfect !!

Thanks to the team that are using their spare time for the rest of us petrolheads !!!

Anyone from the S2000DB team that could comment, on what your plans are and if you would like comments or suggestions from the users, here or another way ?

[OldF]

Can someone tell me if there are two versions of the Sadev gearbox? By the S2000database some cars with the Sadev gearbox have a centre differential (Abarth, Toyota, VW, Ford = front, rear and centre diff) but Pug only front and rear diff. This has been discussed sometimes earlier but I’m just wondering why Pug doesn’t use the centre diff because it makes the car more difficult in turns when at least one front and one rear wheel are always spinning at the same speed. I can’t be because of weight saving because by the S2000 regulations the gearbox has a min. weight.

[Mirek]

I have discussed this with my friend whose family runs Abarth some time a go and he told me that the main reason in his opinion was lower power losses while the variant with central differential was not that much better in handling (every gear means 1-2% of lost power). The weight saving is now not much important since S2000 must have 1200 kg now and all of them are lighter.

I also asked if gearboxes are same for Abarth and Peugeots and he told me that it wasn't possible to fit gearbox from Peugeot into Abarth and vice versa although inside they are almost same.

As fas as I know Škoda was testing both variants and decided for 2 differential scheme which was better. Škoda uses X-Trac and they also have both variants (I think that at least MG has 3 differentials). Abarth also started using X-Trac with only 2 differentials in 09 evolution (I think that Basso made it's international premiere in Monte Carlo while Scandola used it already in autumn in some local Italian event).

[OldF]

]I have discussed this with my friend whose family runs Abarth some time a go and he told me that the main reason in his opinion was lower power losses while the variant with central differential was not that much better in handling (every gear means 1-2% of lost power). The weight saving is now not much important since S2000 must have 1200 kg now and all of them are lighter.

I also asked if gearboxes are same for Abarth and Peugeots and he told me that it wasn't possible to fit gearbox from Peugeot into Abarth and vice versa although inside they are almost same.

As fas as I know Škoda was testing both variants and decided for 2 differential scheme which was better. Škoda uses X-Trac and they also have both variants (I think that at least MG has 3 differentials). Abarth also started using X-Trac with only 2 differentials in 09 evolution (I think that Basso made it's international premiere in Monte Carlo while Scandola used it already in autumn in some local Italian event).

Thanks Mirek,

It seems that lack of centre diff don’t have so great impact on the handling that I thought it would have.

I calculated from a dyno graph (Mitsubishi Evo 9, grp N) that the power loss in transmission is about 16%. Peak power from the engine = 202,7 kW = 276 hp, peak power from the wheels = 170 kW = 231 hp => power loss = 32 kW = 43,5 hp, which is quite a lot.

[Mirek]

I think that with that much higher rpm the losses may be even bigger in percentage.

[Barreis]

http://www.s2000rally.com/index.php
GREAT SITE!!! :)

[Abarth]

Is the MG S2000 project dead, or is MSD working both MG and Opel these days?

If I look at the activity on the MG's in 2009, not many rallies has been done, thats why I ask.

[sal]

Is the MG S2000 project dead, or is MSD working both MG and Opel these days?

If I look at the activity on the MG's in 2009, not many rallies has been done, thats why I ask.

Bill Gwynne Motorsport have supposedly taken over the project. Mark Higgins was at the Goodwood FOS in a car and he is supposed to be doing the IRC round in Scotland in the MG. Pete Stephenson has done several gravel rallies in his MG this year.

[noel157]

Bill Gwynne Motorsport have supposedly taken over the project. Mark Higgins was at the Goodwood FOS in a car and he is supposed to be doing the IRC round in Scotland in the MG. Pete Stephenson has done several gravel rallies in his MG this year.

It'll hardly ever be a front runner but would be a great clubman's car and I presume better value than the established makes.

[Sulland]

To DB Team: Any chance of getting result in class, and not only total from the 2010 season ?

It will give a more correct picture of the results, not having to compete with A8 cars.

[Sulland]

Skoda equals Peugeot in the number of 2009 models, 14 each.

In 2008 the numbers was: Skoda 3 and Peugeot 34 - So 09 was not a bad year for Skoda, equalling the biggest producer of S2000 cars.

Will be interessting to se the 2010 numbers with a major player like Ford coming in to the picture.

[Gordini]

Is the new Fiestas 2009 or 2010 models ?
Are they not produced using the 2010 regs, and then a 2010 model. Or are you strictly using the calendar year they were assembled ?

[Karbonyl]

There is used time of assembly (similar situation at Skoda - first car built in 2007, also before getting the homologation).

[pucky54]

why are only the last 5 events shown in the car histories? All events should be in there

[Sulland]

I understand that you need to save space in the default layout, but make it possible to search each car's complete rally history if the user would like to. If not you loose some of the functionality, and credibility of your splendid site !

Thats why you have a database, and technically its quite simple.

[PLuto]

Hi boys, it doesnt have anything with saving space. But there are some problems in cooperation with some italian teams...

[vino_93]

Hi !
A resultat which are not on S2000 Db :
Rallye de Balagne (France / 12-13 december) : Jean François Marchi - Peugeot 207 S2000 - RS Sport - Position : 4th

;)

[Sulland]

You are missing Rene Georges RS on your list over cars for rent !

Merry XMas !

[Catiocha7]

Which factory does make the " Auris " ?

[katxal]

You are missing Rene Georges RS on your list over cars for rent !

Merry XMas !

teams must ask us for putting his name in that section...we already asked rene georges as we did it for other teams...but we didnt get any answer from them yet...

[Barreis]

They should pay for that..

[katxal]

They should pay for that..

It´s a FREE service...we only want to help teams...

[vino_93]

Hi !
A resultat which is not on S2000 Db :
Rallye de Balagne (France / 12-13 december) : Jean François Marchi - Peugeot 207 S2000 - RS Sport - Position : 4th

;)

this result don't interesst you ? :confused: Don't you like french ? Maybe you don't like Corsica :o (it's dangerous to not like corsica :D )

[katxal]

There is no problem with france...neither with corsica haha...but seems that this team don´t want to stay with us in S2000Rally, we´re trying to find a solution with them...but...anyway, we wont add any result of this car till we got an answer

[Simmi]

There is no problem with france...neither with corsica haha...but seems that this team don´t want to stay with us in S2000Rally, we´re trying to find a solution with them...but...anyway, we wont add any result of this car till we got an answer

Forgive my ignorance. But why is it necessary for a team to allow you to publish a result? I respect you're trying to build up a relationship with these teams but surely results are public domain and not for anyone to say if you can publish them or not.

[vino_93]

I'm like Simmi. :/
And I don't understand why this team don't want to see their results in S2000 rally :confused:

[Sulland]

Could you please add a field on the frontpage that displays the current total number of cars in the database ?

[katxal]

Could you please add a field on the frontpage that displays the current total number of cars in the database ?

181 cars sulland

[Sulland]

Cool, could you put in a field on your splendid site, where this number is shown, so the users of the site can see the number produced ?

Will be useful !

[superbolide]

Spécial Peugeot 207 S2000

http://www.207s2000.fr/

:wave:

[vino_93]

In France, yesterday, Jean Dominique Mattei finished 6th of the "Rallye Régional du Pays Ajaccien", with the Skoda Fabia S2000 of Skoda Rall Yeam Italia, whose plate is : 037 S3E. (Mattei took part of the Tour de Corse in 2009 with this car)

[vino_93]

In France, yesterday, Jean Dominique Mattei finished 6th of the "Rallye Régional du Pays Ajaccien", with the Skoda Fabia S2000 of Skoda Rall Yeam Italia, whose plate is : 037 S3E. (Mattei took part of the Tour de Corse in 2009 with this car)

you write on your site that he finished 4th, but he finished 6th :$ ;)

[Mirek]

Sorry, my fault.

[vino_93]

What happened your relasionship with some teams, like Rs Sport for example ? Is still any problem ? :s

Cool, could you put in a field on your splendid site, where this number is shown, so the users of the site can see the number produced ?

Will be useful !

Done, you will find it in homepage in the right column.

[Sulland]

New Swedish Fabia for Per-Arne Sääv: http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.php?id=3617

First big event; Swedish Rally.

[Gordini]

2010 need to be a option on production year

[Sulland]

New Swedish Fabia for Per-Arne Sääv: http://www.emotorsport.se/nyheter.php?id=3617

First big event; Swedish Rally.

Looks like he has changed the plates: http://iloapp.nhsuper2000.se/data/_gallery/public/1/1265482039_resized.jpg
TUW 190 (swedish plate)

[vino_93]

Hi !
Few results in France, which are not in the database :
25/04 : Rallye d'Annonay Haut Vivarais
Peugeot 207 S2000 : Arnaud Monnet : Retired (his own car, 367 EHV 78)

01/05 : Ronde de la Durance
Peugeot 207 S2000 : Patrice Fabre : 2nd (Ph sport, AB 979 BP)

To notice for this week end : Critérium 83 :
Peugeot 207 S2000 : Michel Boetti

[Sulland]

Have there been no new S2000 cars sold in 2011, or have the team stopped updating the database.

Any chance of getting the S1600T cars into the same database, so we could have it all in one place? Would be perfect ?

[urabus-denoS2000]

Any contact with the people from http://www.207s2000.fr ? They do not have Slovenian driver Sašo Vusič in their database , who drove a Friulmotor 207 in Rally Poreč 2009 ( Croatia ) . The car is DR 303 KW

[OldF]

Here is a summary from the S2000 database (sorry I have to put it as a link because I didn’t manage to make the copy from an Excel sheet small enough for a embedded pic).

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii284/OkdF/S2000Databasesummary-1.jpg

Btw, how many of these cars are used in the nations by the plate nationality?

Ten of these are written of: 2 Grande Punto, 1 Fiesta, 1 Pug, 1 Proton and 5 Fabia.

There are 4 top brands and countries in Europe by the plate nationality:

Pug 94
Grande Punto 49
Fabia 45
Fiesta 39

Italy 50
France 47
Great Britain 37
Czech republic 32

[mousti]

The Skoda Italia Fabia of Mikkelsen for the Italian Gravel Championship is that an Works car? Reg plate ends with 214